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Loyalty to my team or apply for new job?

kimbyanne Avatar
6y, 4m agoPosted 6 years, 4 months ago
I have been with my current employer for nearly five years and have been in my current position for nearly two. I like my job but despite working extremely hard, putting in more hours than my colleagues and taking on any jobs / tasks that I am asked, I feel I am not progressing and am not being given enough opportunities.

A vacancy has opened up in another team in my department which is more advanced and has a much better chance of progression. However, I am torn. If I leave my team they will obviously have to replace me but because I have taken on so many extra tasks, it isn't straight forward. In several of the tasks / jobs I do, I am the only one trained to do them which to be fair was rather short sighted of them.

What would you do? Stay loyal to your team or take a risk and apply for the new job? I may just be jumping ahead of myself though as I have not applied for it yet and if I do, I might not even get it!
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6y, 4m agoPosted 6 years, 4 months ago
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#1
no loyalty in these times m8 it everyman for themselves go for it look after you and your wn first and foremost

singer
#2
I doubt your team would worry about leaving you, so don't worry about leaving them. It's dog eat dog, do whatever you can to better yourself! Best of luck.
#3
Go for the new job... their loss, not yours!
banned#4
Stop doing every job asked of you, you'll just be seen as a dogs body
#5
kimbyanne
[quote=nickw90]I doubt your team would worry about leaving you, so don't worry about leaving them. It's dog eat dog, do whatever you can to better yourself! Best of luck.


We are only a small team so it would have an impact. Not so much with my actual job but with finding someone to take on all the other tasks I do. I sort of feel like I would be abandoning them!
#6
m8 come into the real world they dont give a toss about you if they did they would have promoted you or helped you doin all they extra jobs jeees wake up m8
#7
whatsThePoint
Stop doing every job asked of you, you'll just be seen as a dogs body


....but refusing to take on new things makes you look unwilling to help / take on new responsibilities.
banned#8
If you think you'll be happier, go for it. You certainly aren't irreplaceable.
#9
as above said, you are only a number i been at my place near 20 years or so and i know in a minute they would get another consultant to do my job in a min
#10
singer
m8 come into the real world they dont give a toss about you if they did they would have promoted you or helped you doin all they extra jobs jeees wake up m8


I don't think that is how it is, in the five years I have been with my employer I have been promoted three times. It is just I have sort of reached as far as I can go in my current role as there are no vacancies available as people don't often leave.

As for the jobs, I am part of a team of six and there is only one other full time person. Everyone else is part time. The reason I am given all the tasks / jobs is because I have said many times I want more responsibility and the other person isn't interested so it all comes to me which I don't mind but it doesn't seem to get me anymore recognition than the other person.
#11
kimbyanne
kimbyanne
[quote=nickw90]I doubt your team would worry about leaving you, so don't worry about leaving them. It's dog eat dog, do whatever you can to better yourself! Best of luck.


We are only a small team so it would have an impact. Not so much with my actual job but with finding someone to take on all the other tasks I do. I sort of feel like I would be abandoning them!


I don't think it's of your concern. It sounds like they may have been taking the mick a little. Let them deal with it, if you manage to get this other position.
#12
Similar situation. I chose to go for the other job and got it...

I haven't been replaced yet, so can't move over until they do, but it leaves just 2 x people in the team and let's just say they are technically challenged in PC knowledge (which is odd, as it is an IT Dept).

I do think they are going to suffer and feel a bit rubbish about that, but then on the other hand think they shouldn't have palmed all the jobs that require thought and thorough investigation onto me rather than just cherry picking the simple everyday tasks.
#13
I agree, I think you should ditch frying burgers, and upgrade to chip server. Its one step nearer the till.
#14
what i would call u is a lacky really, taking all the jobs ,would they give you an extra 12 pounds an hour for doin the lil extras that you do , i dont think so, they are there to make a profit and if one man doin the job of two then they aint bothering , that why years ago we had unions to make sure it was one man one job , you could be doing another person out of a job
#15
splatsplatsplat
I agree, I think you should ditch frying burgers, and upgrade to chip server. Its one step nearer the till.


I work in a legal environment. oO
#16
I think you are being a bit dramatical here, you leave they replace you, the world continues as before.
#17
yes as u said pinkle they not bothering their asses with what you do as long as u keep doin all the work they will let you
banned#18
kimbyanne
splatsplatsplat
I agree, I think you should ditch frying burgers, and upgrade to chip server. Its one step nearer the till.
I work in a legal environment. oO

youve got to admit ,that was funny.... :)
#19
My gut feeling is that loyalty is trememdously important. However I have seen for myself and in others situations that loyalty is abused by most employers. So whilst you may feel a loyalty to those you work closely with, you will do yourself a greater favour by taking an enhanced oportunity. If that oportunity brings an enhanced financial reward then that is a good enough reason to move on. Unless you have already achieved financial independence and only 'work' for satisfaction. You can still keep contact with friends outside of the workplace.
#20
pinkleponkle
I think you are being a bit dramatical here, you leave they replace you, the world continues as before.


I know that they will just replace me but like I have said, I do many things where I am the ONLY person who is trained to do it. These tasks will have to be taken on by someone and they are not things that can just be picked up, they require a lot of training.

WoolyM
My gut feeling is that loyalty is trememdously important. However I have seen for myself and in others situations that loyalty is abused by most employers. So whilst you may feel a loyalty to those you work closely with, you will do yourself a greater favour by taking an enhanced oportunity. If that oportunity brings an enhanced financial reward then that is a good enough reason to move on. Unless you have already achieved financial independence and only 'work' for satisfaction. You can still keep contact with friends outside of the workplace.


Thanks for your sensible response. I would easily be able to see my colleagues as the job is in the same department, same building, same floor! I need to think about it. I think I am going to speak with my manager and see what they think about it. My manager has always been supportive and hopefully they will understand my interest in moving to a new role.
#21
You honestly think the company would go belly up if one day you said sod it and left, no they would just carry on and get someone else to do your job. You clearly rate yourself highly, but in truth there are plenty that can step in and carry on, maybe they wont be a good as you, maybe they will be better, who knows. You can't stiffle your career because you think you are too valuable at doing your job that you can't leave it. If this job appeals, go for it.
#22
As many have said this is an all to familiar situation. Apply for the position and see where it takes you, after all you don't have to accept but sometimes you can be to good at your job for management to move you up too.
What's stopping other lesser able team members applying and getting the position over you.
Don't procrastinate apply you'll only be full of "what if's" if you don't
#23
Make the change. It's wonderfully satisfying for your ego to see a team fall apart when you leave.
#24
pinkleponkle
You honestly think the company would go belly up if one day you said sod it and left, no they would just carry on and get someone else to do your job. You clearly rate yourself highly, but in truth there are plenty that can step in and carry on, maybe they wont be a good as you, maybe they will be better, who knows. You can't stiffle your career because you think you are too valuable at doing your job that you can't leave it. If this job appeals, go for it.


....................:( As I have explained, I REALISE THAT I CAN JUST BE REPLACED, I am not saying I am so valuable that if I left the team would crumble - my job isn't that technical and I could probably be replaced pretty quickly! What I am trying to explain is that I am the ONLY PERSON IN MY TEAM trained to do certain tasks / jobs. These cannot just be picked up overnight, they take months of training.

I am intrigued however that you are so adamant that "in truth there are plenty that can step in and carry on, maybe they wont be a good as you, maybe they will be better, who knows......" and you don't even know what I do.
#25
If the new job is in the same company, same department, just a different team, I am sure that your new & old managers would be able to come to some agreement about maybe sharing you for a couple of weeks in a timeshare style handover? Just make sure it is for a set period so you don't end up doing both jobs forever! :)
#26
Why not ask for a pay rise????

I was in a similar position.....was worth more money to them and they knew it to keep me. Left after a year on the additional pay and they replaced me with 4 people lol.....
#27
kimbyanne
pinkleponkle
You honestly think the company would go belly up if one day you said sod it and left, no they would just carry on and get someone else to do your job. You clearly rate yourself highly, but in truth there are plenty that can step in and carry on, maybe they wont be a good as you, maybe they will be better, who knows. You can't stiffle your career because you think you are too valuable at doing your job that you can't leave it. If this job appeals, go for it.
....................:( As I have explained, I REALISE THAT I CAN JUST BE REPLACED, I am not saying I am so valuable that if I left the team would crumble - my job isn't that technical and I could probably be replaced pretty quickly! What I am trying to explain is that I am the ONLY PERSON IN MY TEAM trained to do certain tasks / jobs. These cannot just be picked up overnight, they take months of training. I am intrigued however that you are so adamant that "in truth there are plenty that can step in and carry on, maybe they wont be a good as you, maybe they will be better, who knows......" and you don't even know what I do.

Teams and even working practices are regularly revised. As such whilst you are in the employ of another nothing is certain. Granted, there may be aspects of your role that do seem involved. I however have seen vast swathes of what one person considered imperative just swept aside or outsourced. Its often done. As I said my gut screams loyalty at me all too often. Sometimes you have to let the head make the decision.
#28
Just to add....think of it this way, if you had an accident 2moro and had to take a prolonged period of time off to recover, will the company fall apart? No...they will suddenly find out that they've relied too much on one person, heads will roll for this, meetings will be called but they will do something about it. Even if that means your managers have to do those jobs, as managers should be able to do their employees jobs in the event of that person being off! Doesn't apply in all fields obviously. When the train/tube strikes were on, managers had to get off their fat butts and learn!

Go for the move.You may feel valued just now but having been in that situation, teams adapt to change and just have to get on with it. If they can't, there are training issues to be addressed there. Live your life for you and another team will learn to adapt with you for working for them. Does that make any sense!
#29
You are, like anybody else, just a number on a payroll, loyalty is a one way device with most employers, they expect it from their workers, but don't actually give a monkeys about them.
#30
Inactive
You are, like anybody else, just a number on a payroll, loyalty is a one way device with most employers, they expect it from their workers, but don't actually give a monkeys about them.

this is spot on, forget loyalty think about yourself first this is the dog eat dog world!
#31
I'm quite late into this conversation but...... I think you should apply for the other job. Think of your own happiness not the department you are leaving. If you don't get the other job then you may be asked why you wanted to move on and you can talk about your concerns then (i.e. nowhere to progress too)

I am currently at the highest position I can be in within my job, I've been here 10 years so the loyalty question comes into it whenever I think of leaving but if I found a better job with more opportunities I would leave in a second.
#32
Inactive
You are, like anybody else, just a number on a payroll, loyalty is a one way device with most employers, they expect it from their workers, but don't actually give a monkeys about them.

Sad but true as I've learnt this the hard way several times.

John

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