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I would be interested to hear the opinions of other HUKD members regarding the story buzzing on the internet. Google "global warming hoax". I have been following this story for a week, I am convinced… Read More
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7y, 7m agoPosted 7 years, 7 months ago
I would be interested to hear the opinions of other HUKD members regarding the story buzzing on the internet. Google "global warming hoax".
I have been following this story for a week, I am convinced we have all been conned...looks like we are going to get huge tax bills for for a problem that never existed. Big businesses and governments will do very well from the billions of green taxes they get from us and don't forget, we will have to work into our 70's then the debt is passed on to our children.............. What do think?
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7y, 7m agoPosted 7 years, 7 months ago
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#1
Climate change has always happened ,Whether it is man made or not hasnt been proved 100%.yet, As for businesses making money from taxes i think you have that the wrong way around,
#2
I think that I have as yet to see any convincing evidence that what we are experience is any more than the normal cyclical fluctuations in temperature that our Earth experiences as a dynamic planet. We are just coming out of an ice age, so no wonder the world is warming.

The problem is that we want the world to stay as it is, but with plate movements this is an impossibility. I am fed up with all the bad science and scaremongering related to global warming. :/
#3
You're right ! and a new world order is controlling the global economy, Elvis is still alive, and we never landed on the moon. LOL. Get a grip.
#4
I believe in global warming and see it as a problem. I don't believe however that what "we", governments and businesses are doing however is going to solve it. It requires a radical change of lifestyle from all concerned with different technology that does not make use of resources that generate pollutants. When someone comes up with a commerically viable solution and it is rolled out, then we might have a solution, although it may be futile courtesy of the pollution up to date and the continued effects. It will most likely be too late, as I'm unaware of a scientist and an innovater who have yet found the solution and are making billions from the sales.

I haven't however been reading up on this though. That's the end of my contribution to the discussion
#5
The problem is that for years we have be brainwashed into believing that it is man made warming, infact as Tessb says, the climate is always changing. Read some of the reports of the fraudulent data, this is quite scary. There is a strong feeling that mainstream media (BBC news(no surprises there) sky news etc are under pressure not to go with the story. It's causing a big stir in Australia at the moment.
#6
:w00t: BIG WOW we are all gonna die before2097!!!!!!!!!!
#7
Thought it was 2012!!
#8
tonyg1962
Climate change has always happened ,Whether it is man made or not hasnt been proved 100%.yet, As for businesses making money from taxes i think you have that the wrong way around,

I'm talking about BIG businesses e.g the ones run by Al Gore and his billionaire friends
#9
tessb
I think that I have as yet to see any convincing evidence that what we are experience is any more than the normal cyclical fluctuations in temperature that our Earth experiences as a dynamic planet. We are just coming out of an ice age, so no wonder the world is warming.

The problem is that we want the world to stay as it is, but with plate movements this is an impossibility. I am fed up with all the bad science and scaremongering related to global warming. :/


Couldn't agree more. I ignore all the rubbish in the media about global warming.
banned#10
dont ya know its now called 'climate change' - ever since they discovered the global earth temperature has been going down since the year 2000!
#11
csiman
dont ya know its now called 'climate change' - ever since they discovered the global earth temperature has been going down since the year 2000!


That's the problem. Some one has put hacked emails and data showing that tthese climate scientists have been trying to hide the cooling trend..It's a bigger scandal than the thieving MPs
#12
Phlaker
I am convinced we have all been conned...


in that case I sincerely doubt whether the opinions of a bunch of people on a shopping site will change your mind :thumbsup:

You believe what you want to believe but its your kids and grandkids who will pay the price (or not).....
#13
gari189
in that case I sincerely doubt whether the opinions of a bunch of people on a shopping site will change your mind :thumbsup:

You believe what you want to believe but its your kids and grandkids who will pay the price (or not).....


It's the bunches of people who can make the real difference.
#14
That's what I love about the internet - someone publishes one story contrary to countless others with scientific research to back it up and they believe it. :lol:
#15
tessb
I think that I have as yet to see any convincing evidence that what we are experience is any more than the normal cyclical fluctuations in temperature that our Earth experiences as a dynamic planet. We are just coming out of an ice age, so no wonder the world is warming.

The problem is that we want the world to stay as it is, but with plate movements this is an impossibility. I am fed up with all the bad science and scaremongering related to global warming. :/


+1 and chaotic systems, like those associated with the massively complex factors involved in the weather, are unpredictable and may appear cyclical then suddenly change.

Capitalists will make money out of anything. Think about the money to be made often during and certainly in the after-math of any disaster/war/regimechange/sanctions. Not to mention the power elites which remain in place through the world. Conspiracy - I don't think so, it's pretty darned obvious. Hoax - I don't think that either; loads of climate change scientists, meteorologists are convinced that it is a world threat.
banned#16
moob;7022850
That's what I love about the internet - someone publishes one story contrary to countless others with scientific research to back it up and they believe it. :lol:

just like everyone fell for Gore's propoganda :-D
#17
moob
That's what I love about the internet - someone publishes one story contrary to countless others with scientific research to back it up and they believe it. :lol:


this is no joke, this is very serious, this story is growing faster than anything I've ever seen, here's a random page.. http://seeker401.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/telegraph-uk-cimategate-australian-mps-lead-the-charge-against-agw/
#18
Here's a taster of where your hard earned tax money is being spent
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ah4XLQCleuUYdFIxMnhMNnlXb2JQcDZUendjUXpWWUE&hl=en
#19
csiman
just like everyone fell for Gore's propoganda :-D


It may have been propaganda, but at least his heart was in the right place - a very uncommon facet in an American Politician, particularly in relation to environmentalism.
#20
moob
It may have been propaganda, but at least his heart was in the right place - a very uncommon facet in an American Politician, particularly in relation to environmentalism.


His heart was in the right place because he made billions out of the myth.
#21
Phlaker
this is no joke, this is very serious, this story is growing faster than anything I've ever seen, here's a random page.. http://seeker401.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/telegraph-uk-cimategate-australian-mps-lead-the-charge-against-agw/


Yeah mate, so is the billions of pounds spend on legitiamte research to show that climate change is happening and caused by, in part, ours and previous generations actions.

If you seriously believe that pumping billions of tons of crap into the atmosphere over hundreds of years has no detrimental effect on our planet, you deserve to believe that mince. :roll:
suspended#22
For all interested in finding out whether Global Warming is a hoax or not
Simply research about "Climategate"

One simple thing to remember is never ever trust or believe anything the governments say. It's all lies, cover-ups and corruption.
#23
Phlaker
His heart was in the right place because he made billions out of the myth.


Once again you illustrate your fantasy world - the film grossed $49m worldwide - and that's gross not net. A fair distance away from 'billions'.:whistling:

Believe what you wanna, it's not my call - gotta get back to work - rant on at your leisure! :lol:
#24
moob
Yeah mate, so is the billions of pounds spend on legitiamte research to show that climate change is happening and caused by, in part, ours and previous generations actions.

If you seriously believe that pumping billions of tons of crap into the atmosphere over hundreds of years has no detrimental effect on our planet, you deserve to believe that mince. :roll:


Volcanoes have been pumping trillions of tons of CO2 into the atmos for millions of years. the problem is getting your head around the fact that you have been conned. I found it extremely shocking when i read this story. Trust me I'm not getting into any factual debate on this site. Read what is going on via Google etc..your in for a shock too
#25
moob
Once again you illustrate your fantasy world - the film grossed $49m worldwide - and that's gross not net. A fair distance away from 'billions'.:whistling:

Believe what you wanna, it's not my call - gotta get back to work - rant on at your leisure! :lol:


Exactly, that's just for one film. You got no idea what he is into business wise, please read up on this scandal before sniping...
#26
all a scam by goverments to increase taxes and make some new ones
1 Like #27
There seems to be little doubt that the climate is changing. Whether or not mankind is causing that it is debatable. But Climate change is not the only reason that we should be concerned about our environment.

The growth in breathing problems such as asthma over the past 100 years are well documented. Polluting our air is not good for us. We do need clean air to breathe and any move which helps to reduce air pollution will benefit us all in the end.

Another massive problem is that the total Earth human population is still growing at an alarming rate. We are ploughing through natural resources with very little thought for future generations and the growth in population will only make that worse.

We are also stuck in an economic trap which makes it difficult to cut back on consumption. Look at the current economy. Any drop in consumption is perceived as economic disaster and results in greater debt. The only way we seem to be able to survive economically is by consuming more and more - and that uses up even more of the Earth's dwindling resources.

To my mind, addressing climate change by legislation or taxation isn't really going to solve the long term problems that we face. We really need to reverse the trend of population growth and look at ways of helping people to live contented lives without just promoting the collection of ever greater volumes of stuff that we don't really need.

We need to get the USA and China leading the way. The USA is the greatest consumer by a long shot. China's population is huge and has the greatest potential for consumer growth. If we can't persuade those two nations to hold back from the worst excesses of their destructive tendencies then we are pretty much stuffed, no matter what the rest of us do.

Unfortunately I don't know if it is possible to solve these sorts of problems without coming to a crisis point. The people who control our economic future, the very rich and powerful, have little incentive to change things at the moment. And our political leaders aren't even talking about world population problems, so there's naff all chance of that problem being solved any time soon.
#28
I found a LIVE WASP yesterday!!
Yes our climate/seasons are all messed up...is this global warming? Is this the earths natural progressions?
Does the earth have a constant cycle when this is normal ?
Who knows all I know is ........ I DO my best to reduce CFC etc, i DO mylittle bit INCASE there is some truth.I wouldnt want my future generations suffering because we didnt do ANYTHING.
Although i strongly suspect we are being conned/government overreacting on something which is a normal earth cycle.
banned#29
When Greenland becomes Sealand. The artic ice sheets disapear and much of the UK is underwater, will anyone believe it then?

It's a bit like trying to convince me there is no causation to mans destructive ways...... No doubt when you see someone eat a mountain of fatty food, the reason they weigh 50 stone has nothing to do with the glutinous food intake.
#30
OP - if you want to have a pop at someone for huge tax bills for years to come try the bankers - they've cost us about £1,000 billion. The Severn barrage which could supply a sustantial amount of carbon free electricity would cost £25-£30 billion.........peanuts in comparison.
#31
Well there is a MAJOR FACT which lies behind the 'climate change' issues; that is fossil fuels are finite and WILL run out, so if you use climate change to reduce the amount of fossil fuels being used then they will last longer so actually its not a poppy cock initiative.
#32
Alfonse
Well there is a MAJOR FACT which lies behind the 'climate change' issues; that is fossil fuels are finite and WILL run out, so if you use climate change to reduce the amount of fossil fuels being used then they will last longer so actually its not a poppy cock initiative.


Everyone knows fossil fuels are finite, and yes, let's be careful the way we use them, but spending billions of tax pounds fighting something that does not exist, it's immoral. like you said fossil fuels are finite, spend the money one alternative fuels instead.
#33
Phlaker
Everyone knows fossil fuels are finite, and yes, let's be careful the way we use them, but spending billions of tax pounds fighting something that does not exist, it's immoral. like you said fossil fuels are finite, spend the money one alternative fuels instead.


I can go on all day with these, pollution is not a myth either.
banned#34
Phlaker;7024841
Everyone knows fossil fuels are finite, and yes, let's be careful the way we use them, but spending billions of tax pounds fighting something that does not exist, it's immoral. like you said fossil fuels are finite, spend the money one alternative fuels instead.

what exactly are these billions of tax pounds being spent on anyway.

the obvious answer to me has always been population reduction but this hardly ever seeems to get a mention. Whats the point of setting a target of reducing output per person if the number of people goes up quicker?

1969 - population 3.6Billion

2009 - 6.9Billion

2040 - c.9.0Billion
#35
Alfonse
I can go on all day with these, pollution is not a myth either.


Your right, it.s not a myth. But the fact that man made pollutants (like cars industry etc) is changing the climate is a myth.
#36
csiman
what exactly are these billions of tax pounds being spent on anyway.

the obvious answer to me has always been population reduction but this hardly ever seeems to get a mention. Whats the point of setting a target of reducing output per person if the number of people goes up quicker?

1969 - population 3.6Billion

2009 - 6.9Billion

2040 - c.9.0Billion


There's enough for everyone, we just need the elitist to release their greedy grip on the worlds wealth and resources
#37
Phlaker
Your right, it.s not a myth. But the fact that man made pollutants (like cars industry etc) is changing the climate is a myth.


Seriously?
Cars primarily produce carbon dioxide in their exhaust, carbon dioxide affects global temperature. FACT. Have a look at this - taken from data from Antarctic ice-cores. Look at the very end of it - carbon dioxide concentration goes way higher than ever before and temperature follows.
That's just the tip of the iceberg in terms of proving humans are adding to climate change (admittedly as you can see on the figure climate has always fluctuated, but human-induced climate change is taking it to a level the Earth has never had to cope with before).
#38
christ_
Seriously?
Cars primarily produce carbon dioxide in their exhaust, carbon dioxide affects global temperature. FACT. Have a look at this - taken from data from Antarctic ice-cores. Look at the very end of it - carbon dioxide concentration goes way higher than ever before and temperature follows.
That's just the tip of the iceberg in terms of proving humans are adding to climate change (admittedly as you can see on the figure climate has always fluctuated, but human-induced climate change is taking it to a level the Earth has never had to cope with before).


that's exactly how I felt!
unfortunately, It's hacked data like that, that is been scrutinized by thousands of people as we speak, much of it proved to be "tampered with".The documents and hacked emails are all over the internet for everyone to see.
human-induced climate is the myth that is being exposed right now.
The Earth has had to cope with far more extreme conditions in recent pasts, it's the human race that cannot cope.
The point is, we have been scared, and, made to feel guilty into believing, that every time we fart, or start the car to pick the kids up from school, that we are killing the planet, and governments want us to pay for it. If you want some good credible information about this hoax take a look here http://wattsupwiththat.com/ This is the real tip of the iceberg
#39
It sounds like you've been scared into believing the conspiracy theorists to be honest.

Just a small snippet - long before the current (admittedly over elaborate) clamour for climate change action - there have been European Directives in force in relation to air quality for decades - with certain specific standards required to be achieved within specified timeframes - I guess they were all made up as well, as PM10s PM2.5 etc don't exist and aren't damaging to our health.
#40
the climate changes naturally, look at the ice age etc. anyhow the sun's gonna die out and so are we in the grand scheme of things

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