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Manchester Votes No To Congestion Charge

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The people of Greater Manchester have voted against plans to introduce a congestion charge in the region. Nearly two million people were asked to decide on a peak-time road charge to open up a £2.… Read More
MinstrelMan Avatar
8y, 6m agoPosted 8 years, 6 months ago
The people of Greater Manchester have voted against plans to introduce a congestion charge in the region.

Nearly two million people were asked to decide on a peak-time road charge to open up a £2.8bn transport investment.

A majority of voters in all of the region's 10 boroughs voted against the plans, with 812,815 (79%) no votes and 218,860 (21%) in favour of the charge.

It means the application for government Transport Innovation Fund (TiF) cash will not now go ahead.

The overall turnout across the 12 local authorities was about 53.2% with 1,033,000 people casting their vote.

The failed plan aimed to create the biggest road congestion zone in the UK, charging drivers up to £5 a day to drive into the city centre.

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Graham Stringer, MP for Blackley in Manchester, a long-time opponent of the scheme, said he was "delighted" with the result.

"It's a brave politician that goes forward with such a scheme, unless it is an extraordinarily good scheme that virtually everybody benefits from," he said.

"It is a pity we have had to waste three years on this ill-thought out scheme which the public have seen through.

"We must now go back to government to talk about how they can invest in trams, trains and buses in Greater Manchester."

'Ill-conceived'

Immediately after the result was announced, officials in the 'Yes' campaign told BBC News they were "disappointed with the voting turnout".

Jason Torrence, who supported the charge, said: "This is a sad day. This was a innovative solution which would have put Manchester in the premier league of cities in the world."

Chris Hopkins, chief executive of Hydes Brewery in Moss Side, who was part of the 'No' campaign, said the charge of up to £1,200 a year on his employees was just too much for the promised improvements in transport.

"We thought it was ill-conceived and the people of Manchester did as well," he said.

The plans needed a majority in favour in at least seven local authorities to get the go-ahead.

VOTING TURNOUT (%)
Bolton, 48.8
Bury, 57.4
Manchester, 46.1
Oldham, 54.4
Rochdale, 50.8
Salford, 57
Stockport, 59
Tameside, 60.7
Trafford, 63.6
Wigan, 45.3

Lord Peter Smith, Leader of The Association of Greater Manchester Authorities (AGMA), said he was "very disappointed" with the outcome.

"It is always a huge challenge to win any referendum and this one was always going to be particularly difficult - given the high feelings it has engendered," he said.

"The TIF proposals may have been rejected but I am sure the people of Greater Manchester remain united in their desire to see this great city region succeed."

Those against the proposals claimed the charge would have been an unfair tax on motorists, while those in favour had maintained it was a chance to create the best public transport system in the UK.

Motorists would have paid to cross two charging rings at peak times. The outer ring roughly follows the M60 orbital motorway, while the inner ring surrounds the city centre.

'Limited funding'

Sir Richard Leese, leader of Manchester City Council, said: "I'm sure the economic downturn, which is hitting everyone hard, has had a part to play.

"Investment in public transport in Manchester will remain a priority for the city council and our commitment to face up to the challenges going forward remains undiminished."

AGMA will consider the outcome of the referendum at its meeting next week.

The Greater Manchester Passenger Transport Authority (GMPTA) chairman Councillor Matt Colledge, said: "We now need to rethink and reconsider the limited funding we currently get and prioritise this across the region, while looking to identify further funding for our longer term public transport vision.

"As a result of the detailed and dedicated work and extensive consultation that has gone into preparing such an enormously intricate bid, we now have a clear set of transport investment priorities and business cases for Greater Manchester.

"We are committed to ensuring that this legacy is put to good use by working hard with central government to establish alternative ways to deliver these schemes, which remain critical to the future of our economy."

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7778110.stm

So they should...... discuss.
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8y, 6m agoPosted 8 years, 6 months ago
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#1
my partner works in old trafford and if this congestion charge was to go ahead it would cost £5 to get into manchester and £5 to get out of manchester thats £10 per day and just absolutely stupid and if he had to pick parts up and keep going in and out of the city can you imagine the costs unlike some people my partner cannot travel on a bus etc as he is a heavy goods mechanic and therefore needs his van for all the tools and also to go on break downs and something else people have not thought about is if they did this charge then all the bus fares would go up to cover costs of the charges basically i think it was another smart goverment idea to snatch more money from the working people.
#2
greyparrot
my partner works in old trafford and if this congestion charge was to go ahead it would cost £5 to get into manchester and £5 to get out of manchester thats £10 per day and just absolutely stupid and if he had to pick parts up and keep going in and out of the city can you imagine the costs unlike some people my partner cannot travel on a bus etc as he is a heavy goods mechanic and therefore needs his van for all the tools and also to go on break downs and something else people have not thought about is if they did this charge then all the bus fares would go up to cover costs of the charges basically i think it was another smart goverment idea to snatch more money from the working people.


Wouldn't there have been some sort of annual ticket?
#3
Glad to see the People of Manchester had the common sense to vote no
#4
greyparrot
my partner works in old trafford and if this congestion charge was to go ahead it would cost £5 to get into manchester and £5 to get out of manchester thats £10 per day and just absolutely stupid and if he had to pick parts up and keep going in and out of the city can you imagine the costs unlike some people my partner cannot travel on a bus etc as he is a heavy goods mechanic and therefore needs his van for all the tools and also to go on break downs and something else people have not thought about is if they did this charge then all the bus fares would go up to cover costs of the charges basically i think it was another smart goverment idea to snatch more money from the working people.



it was only during peak times, so wouldnt have been charged if he's have corssed it all day.

I voted against, even though it doesnt apply to me I just travel round the ring road and dont cross the barrier, although I would have liked to see a reduction in traffic the only reason i voted no was becuase I remember these improvements were part of the mandate to get them into power years ago, now the times come if we want the improvements we have to fund them ourselves..... jog on!
#5
chesso
Wouldn't there have been some sort of annual ticket?


yeah its called registering yourself as a licecensed taxi. :thumbsup:
#6
MinstrelMan
it was only during peak times, so wouldnt have been charged if he's have corssed it all day.

I voted against, even though it doesnt apply to me I just travel round the ring road and dont cross the barrier, although I would have liked to see a reduction in traffic the only reason i voted no was becuase I remember these improvements were part of the mandate to get them into power years ago, now the times come if we want the improvements we have to fund them ourselves..... jog on!


well too be honest even if he didnt get charged moving about during the day he would hit it in the morning and evening so the charge would still be £10 per day you know i am so angry about this why dont they put the money into doing something decent they have already gone down to one lane from where i live up until you hit hyde rd so no wonder it causes congestion as the second lanes are now for just the buses.:x
#7
The public transport in and out of Manchester is an absolute disgrace. If this got voted in it would of been 10x worse. Nobody believed they would put more funding into the buses/trams. Well not enough to out-weigh how many more people would be using this mode of transport because of the congestion charge.
#8
chesso
Wouldn't there have been some sort of annual ticket?


no they was on about fitting a device in every car and charging you a bill per month i would so not be happy recieving bills at £200 per month just to travel to work dont they think we pay enough with road tax its all just another way to screw everyone.
#9
Not something you see everyday, the motorist having its day. woo
#10
PhearFactor
The public transport in and out of Manchester is an absolute disgrace. If this got voted in it would of been 10x worse. Nobody believed they would put more funding into the buses/trams. Well not enough to out-weigh how many more people would be using this mode of transport because of the congestion charge.


completely agree with you it would of been 10 times worse and the public transport fares would of also have gone up. but as said my partner couldnt get on a bus or train as he is a HGV mechanic and needs his tools and also has to go on break downs.
#11
PhearFactor
The public transport in and out of Manchester is an absolute disgrace. If this got voted in it would of been 10x worse. Nobody believed they would put more funding into the buses/trams. Well not enough to out-weigh how many more people would be using this mode of transport because of the congestion charge.



council stated the money raised was going towards new road system - shop keepers seemed very happy that it was voted no

lot of companies lost a lot of money on meaningless promises of big contracts

good on people for voting - whether it was the right decision i dont know - great turnout though

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#12
Alfonse
Not something you see everyday, the motorist having its day. woo


I think they alienated both sides to be honest. The car users and the public transport users. If they are incapable of having enough trams/buses on route out of Manchester now during peak hours, why would we believe they are more capable with the congestion charge in place (which means even more public transport users).

holly100
council stated the money raised was going towards new road system


Has nothing to do with the roads, there is not enough buses/trams, not enough capacity, not enough seating. It is like cattle being taken for slaughter on most buses out of Manchester at 5pm-7pm.
#13
PhearFactor

Has nothing to do with the roads,


I do think they need to dow something at that bottle neck that is the eccles interchange, its a disgrace
#14
greyparrot
no they was on about fitting a device in every car and charging you a bill per month i would so not be happy recieving bills at £200 per month just to travel to work dont they think we pay enough with road tax its all just another way to screw everyone.

Device in every car - got to be against some law or other !! It certainly doesn't sound very well thought out. What did it cost for the poll to be put on so that the people could reject this silliness?

MinstrelMan
yeah its called registering yourself as a licecensed taxi. :thumbsup:

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#15
chesso
Device in every car - got to be against some law or other !! It certainly doesn't sound very well thought out. What did it cost for the poll to be put on so that the people could reject this silliness?


:giggle:
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:lol: pussy cat as part of mugatsu's derilict campaign :thumbsup:
#16
PhearFactor
I think they alienated both sides to be honest. .


Not at all, Democracy reigned and 80% said NO, the voters have spoken.
#17
Alfonse
Not at all, Democracy reigned and 80% said NO, the voters have spoken.


Sorry, don't quite understand. You said "motorist having its day", motorist refers to a person who drives a motor vehicle. My point was even people who are not motorist's didn't want to see this go through.
#18
chesso
Device in every car - got to be against some law or other !! It certainly doesn't sound very well thought out. What did it cost for the poll to be put on so that the people could reject this silliness?


:giggle:
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not 100% sure but something was said about people going down the motorway to avoid the charges so it was said about the devices so in other words people would try anything to avoid it and they would find any way to still charge you i think it is aload of bol**cks personally its just another way to get more money out of people.
#19
PhearFactor
Sorry, don't quite understand. You said "motorist having its day", motorist refers to a person who drives a motor vehicle. My point was even people who are not motorist's didn't want to see this go through.


you are very right so people that could use the public transport like shop workers etc well as said in this post the public transport is rammed full into manchester so can you imagine what it would be like it would be pure chaos.
#20
PhearFactor
Sorry, don't quite understand. You said "motorist having its day", motorist refers to a person who drives a motor vehicle. My point was even people who are not motorist's didn't want to see this go through.


that was the other 20%

but yeah nit picking is futile
#21
greyparrot
not 100% sure but something was said about people going down the motorway to avoid the charges so it was said about the devices so in other words people would try anything to avoid it and they would find any way to still charge you i think it is aload of bol**cks personally its just another way to get more money out of people.


apparently the devices were a voluntary thing for those whod rather recieve a bill each month rather than have to ring up each day
#22
Alfonse
that was the other 20%


:thumbsup:.... :santa:
#23
yeah no flubbin congestion charge ;-) my vote did something good for once :thumbsup:

good to see the majority against this. i heard as soon as you set afoot past roxy cinema on manchester road going into manchester it would have started from there wtf, i live around there so i cant even go local anymore without getting charged. Local being oldham or manchester as im half way, can stop worrying now :p

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