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Marijuana legalization will be on California ballot

casparwhite Avatar
6y, 8m agoPosted 6 years, 8 months ago
looks like we may finally be 1 step closer to decriminalising marijuana in the U.S which in turn would mean the topic will be raised again here if this goes ahead, good news even if only for the medicinal benefits which are still being largely ignored over here


(Reuters) - A California voter initiative that would legalize possession and sale of marijuana has qualified for the November ballot, state election officials said on Wednesday, in what supporters called a "watershed moment" for their cause.



Passage of the measure, by no means certain, would make California the first U.S. state to legalize marijuana. Backers believe the state could be at the vanguard of a national movement toward decriminalizing the drug.

"This is a watershed moment in the decades-long struggle to end marijuana prohibition in this country," said Stephen Gutwillig, California director of the Drug Policy Alliance, which has spearheaded the ballot initiative.

"Banning marijuana outright has been a disaster, fueling a massive, increasingly brutal underground economy, wasting billions in scarce law enforcement resources and making criminals out of countless law-abiding citizens," he said.

California Secretary of State Debra Bowen said in a written statement that her office had certified the measure for the November 2 general election ballot after backers submitted the required number of signatures on petitions.

Bowen said that proponents, who needed 433,971 valid signatures to qualify for the ballot, had submitted 694,248 that were verified through a random sampling.

POLLS SHOW MANY SUPPORT MEASURE

Legalizing marijuana appears to have broad support in the state, with some 56 percent of Californians surveyed in an April, 2009 Field Poll saying they favored making it legal for social use and taxing the sales proceeds.

In October, Gallup found 44 percent of Americans favored legalization.

Activists have suggested that taxing marijuana sales could help bail out the cash-strapped state, but plenty of Californians still oppose marijuana.

"With legalization of recreational marijuana use, impaired driving, fatalities, injuries and crashes will go up, and we don't want to see that," California Mothers Against Drunk Driving spokesman Silas Miers said.

The measure's qualification for the ballot was "the first step toward its defeat," said John Lovell, a lobbyist who represents a number of law enforcement groups.

Critics also say the social costs of a free-smoking state far outweigh the money it would bring in.

They say that the already enormous societal damage from alcohol and tobacco use would only increase if people were allowed to legally sell and smoke pot.

Under the initiative, simple possession of an ounce (28.5 grams) or less of marijuana, currently a misdemeanor offense punishable by a $100 fine, would be legal for anyone at least 21. It also would be lawful to grow limited amounts in one's own home for personal use.

While sales would not be legalized outright, cities and counties could pass laws permitting commercial distribution subject to local regulations and taxes. Retail sales would still be limited to an ounce for adults 21 and older.
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#1
isnt schwarzenneger still governor of california? wouldnt have thought this fitted with his views?

btw,I believe it should be legalised.
banned#2
whatsThePoint
Legalise and tax it, then government borrowing could be cleared in a few months


What will the poor little boys do on the green when they have to pay tax :cry:
banned#3
about as likely as UK legalising lethal injection, what the usa do wont change it here
#4
this is the point, look how many americans are starting to think like that

all the money and resources being wasted chasing after weed dealers......its ridiculous in this day and age

time for change
#5
Dirty vile junkies
#6
jubbyme
about as likely as UK legalising lethal injection, what the usa do wont change it here


ridiculous statement.......once the general mind set changes then the government could have the balls to do it
banned#7
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or
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#8
casparwhite
tall the money and resources being wasted chasing after weed dealers......its ridiculous in this day and age

time for change


all the money and resources being wasted chasing after murderers......its ridiculous in this day and age

time for change





all the money and resources being wasted chasing after paedophiles......its ridiculous in this day and age

time for change





If you can't beat them, join them?
banned#9
casparwhite
ridiculous statement.......once the general mind set changes then the government could have the balls to do it


mind set wont change, even if our government wanted it, europe wont
most people in the country want capital punishment back, that isnt happening either!
you thinking any government will ever get any balls, that is ridiculous
#10
DLM
What will the poor little boys do on the green when they have to pay tax :cry:


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banned#11
casparwhite
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Oh really.

Why don't you stick to the green?
#12
whatsThePoint
Have you ever smoked, drunk or taken an aspirin ?


No, yes, yes.

I dont see how taking a single aspirin is the same as smoking weed.

And having a few drinks is the same either.

But if thats what your arguement is, go for it.
#13
jubbyme
mind set wont change, even if our government wanted it, europe wont
most people in the country want capital punishment back, that isnt happening either!


funny how as time goes on things become more and more accepted ....... a black man president?

this is how soceity works.......
#14
the__mayster
No, yes, yes.

I dont see how taking a single aspirin is the same as smoking weed.

And having a few drinks is the same either.

But if thats what your arguement is, go for it.


no alcohol is 100x worse..........its one of the worst mind altering drugs on the planet, it actually kills you
banned#15
casparwhite
funny how as time goes on things become more and more accepted ....... a black man president?

this is how soceity works.......


true, but a black president was never actually against the law, even before the 60's civil rights
Just the president would have to sit at the back of the bus

its too much of a change to expect the government to be for it, they have spent a lot of time talking up the dangers of it, no time on any medical benefits.

I cant see weed itself being used ever, its too variable for a start, but some research and extraction of pure chemicals has to be on the cards sooner or later and testing for certain illnesses
#16
jubbyme
true, but a black president was never actually against the law, even before the 60's civil rights
Just the president would have to sit at the back of the bus


you know what im saying and i know your more intelligent than this......

you know its enevitable........the uk defecit and borrowing could be wiped out within months
#17
If it was legalised the government would stick a huge tax on it. I don't know any drug users that would be happy to pay double current rates for their high, therefore people would still grow and buy it illegally, so what changes?
#18
casparwhite;8207112
no alcohol is 100x worse..........its one of the worst mind altering drugs on the planet, it actually kills you

Isn't weed linked to mental illness? It'll never be legalised in the UK.
#19
casparwhite
you know what im saying and i know your more intelligent than this......


Use homosexuality for a better comparison :thumbsup:

casparwhite
you know its enevitable........the uk defecit and borrowing could be wiped out within months


Tax on marijuana will recover ONE TRILLION POUNDS within months? Wow. Bring it on.
banned#20
Paddy_o_furniture
Isn't weed linked to mental illness? It'll never be legalised in the UK.


It seems to have affected a few posters :giggle:
#21
the2ocan
If it was legalised the government would stick a huge tax on it. I don't know any drug users that would be happy to pay double current rates for their high, therefore people would still grow and buy it illegally, so what changes?


do you realkise how much it actually costs to grow marijuana and if you were growing it on a grand scale it would bring in huge profit margins........currently around £10 a gram in london

i dont quite understand where you are coming from tbh
#22
Paddy_o_furniture
Isn't weed linked to mental illness? It'll never be legalised in the UK.


no thats another misconception......there is scientific proof to say otherwise
#23
Paddy_o_furniture
Isn't weed linked to mental illness? It'll never be legalised in the UK.


I think you will find people that smoke it say no.

I think it does.


Everyone knows where to get some from, why is there a need to legalise it?

So you dont feel like your doing something bad? Make you feel better inside that your not a junkie?
#24
casparwhite
no thats another misconception......


Of course it is......
banned#25
I think there would be a better case for outlawing alcohol, but that doesnt work either!

There is too much information on the bad effects of weed regarding mental illness, I dont honestly see weed being sold next to tobacco for people to buy, only pure chemical extracts being prescribed and for very controlled illnesses, smoking weed is totally inconsistent for getting the chemicals in you in reliable quantities

of course selling weed legally might at least get rid of the scummy drug dealers you get in places, but then again, they will sell somethine else? what was that recent one ? methadrone?
banned#26
People think they are big and clever smoking it.

I think they are pathetic tools :thumbsup:
#27
peodude
all the money and resources being wasted chasing after murderers......its ridiculous in this day and age

time for change





all the money and resources being wasted chasing after paedophiles......its ridiculous in this day and age

time for change





If you can't beat them, join them?



What an idiotic post. So your comparing someone who smokes weed to a murderer or pedophile?
#28
whatsThePoint
This is my arguement
Can you explain the harm caused by smoking a single fag, having a single drink, taking a single aspirin and having a single joint
And then say which ones are addictive


You can become addictive to anything if you try hard enough. Booze is not addictive.

Take world of warcraft and the "clinics" they have opened.

Im not saying saying weed is addictive, but then i think it is most of the time. The mentality of most people who smoke it want it again and again.

Why does so many people smoke it every single day? Have nothing better to do? Or as they are addictied to it?
banned#29
Bottom line is:
money isnt being spent on showing how safe it is, rather its being spent showing that its unsafe
very little is being spent on the pure extracts and what it really does for people who are ill
very little case for the good is being put forward by the people who want it legalised
#30
the__mayster
You can become addictive to anything if you try hard enough. Booze is not addictive.

Take world of warcraft and the "clinics" they have opened.

Im not saying saying weed is addictive, but then i think it is most of the time. The mentality of most people who smoke it want it again and again.

Why does so many people smoke it every single day? Have nothing better to do? Or as they are addictied to it?


If alcohol isn't addictive what is an alcoholic?
#31
casparwhite;8207227
no thats another misconception......there is scientific proof to say otherwise

My brother is a CPN and he would say otherwise, and a quick google would say otherwise.
#32
Paddy_o_furniture
Isn't weed linked to mental illness? It'll never be legalised in the UK.


the__mayster
Of course it is......



Myth: Marijuana Can Cause Permanent Mental Illness. Among adolescents, even occasional marijuana use may cause psychological damage. During intoxication, marijuana users become irrational and often behave erratically.

Fact: There is no convincing scientific evidence that marijuana causes psychological damage or mental illness in either teenagers or adults. Some marijuana users experience psychological distress following marijuana ingestion, which may include feelings of panic, anxiety, and paranoia. Such experiences can be frightening, but the effects are temporary. With very large doses, marijuana can cause temporary toxic psychosis. This occurs rarely, and almost always when marijuana is eaten rather than smoked. Marijuana does not cause profound changes in people's behavior.

*
Iverson, Leslie. “Long-term effects of exposure to cannabis.” Current Opinion in Pharmacology 5(2005): 69-72.

*

Weiser and Noy. “Interpreting the association between cannabis use and increased risk of schizophrenia.” Dialogues in Clincal Neuroscience 1(2005): 81-85.
*
"Cannabis use will impair but not damage mental health." London Telegraph. 23 January 2006.

*
Andreasson, S. et al. “Cannabis and Schizophrenia: A Longitudinal study of Swedish Conscripts,” The Lancet 2 (1987): 1483-86.

*
Degenhardt, Louisa, Wayne Hall and Michael Lynskey. “Testing hypotheses about the relationship between cannabis use and psychosis,” Drug and Alcohol Dependence 71 (2003): 42-4.

*
Weil, A. “Adverse Reactions to Marijuana: Classification and Suggested Treatment.” New England Journal of Medicine 282 (1970): 997-1000.
#33
casparwhite
do you realkise how much it actually costs to grow marijuana and if you were growing it on a grand scale it would bring in huge profit margins........currently around £10 a gram in london

i dont quite understand where you are coming from tbh


The government are never going to legalise growing cannabis it would be classed as tax evasion. So there would be limited suppliers of which the government would apply a massive tax to thus doubling what it cost compared to buying it from Dave down the pub?

So everyone would still illegally buy the illegally grown cannabis from our mate Dave!:whistling:
banned#34
Paddy_o_furniture
My brother is a CPN and he would say otherwise, and a quick google would say otherwise.


I agree, explains a lot of things :thumbsup:
#35
Paddy_o_furniture
My brother is a CPN and he would say otherwise, and a quick google would say otherwise.


do you have links ?

you appear to be able to handle a discussion rationally:thumbsup:
#36
the2ocan
The government are never going to legalise growing cannabis it would be classed as tax evasion. So there would be limited suppliers of which the government would apply a massive tax to thus doubling what it cost compared to buying it from Dave down the pub?

So everyone would still illegally buy the illegally grown cannabis from our mate Dave!:whistling:


i disagree, the dutch have a decent business model with cafes and if you read the article in the op and do a litttle researech you will see how they plan to adopt it in the states
banned#37
DLM
People think they are big and clever smoking it.

I think they are pathetic tools :thumbsup:


Why? That's a bit judgmental.

A lot of great men and women have used it, people who have achieved and created more than you could ever fathom and because of one small habit they have you see fit to label them a tool?
banned#38
Paddy_o_furniture
My brother is a CPN and he would say otherwise, and a quick google would say otherwise.


A quick google would find evidence for the roswell alien being the second shooter on the grassy knoll.
#39
casparwhite;8207367
Myth: Marijuana Can Cause Permanent Mental Illness. Among adolescents, even occasional marijuana use may cause psychological damage. During intoxication, marijuana users become irrational and often behave erratically.

Fact: There is no convincing scientific evidence that marijuana causes psychological damage or mental illness in either teenagers or adults. Some marijuana users experience psychological distress following marijuana ingestion, which may include feelings of panic, anxiety, and paranoia. Such experiences can be frightening, but the effects are temporary. With very large doses, marijuana can cause temporary toxic psychosis. This occurs rarely, and almost always when marijuana is eaten rather than smoked. Marijuana does not cause profound changes in people's behavior.

*
Iverson, Leslie. “Long-term effects of exposure to cannabis.” Current Opinion in Pharmacology 5(2005): 69-72.

*

Weiser and Noy. “Interpreting the association between cannabis use and increased risk of schizophrenia.” Dialogues in Clincal Neuroscience 1(2005): 81-85.
*
"Cannabis use will impair but not damage mental health." London Telegraph. 23 January 2006.

*
Andreasson, S. et al. “Cannabis and Schizophrenia: A Longitudinal study of Swedish Conscripts,” The Lancet 2 (1987): 1483-86.

*
Degenhardt, Louisa, Wayne Hall and Michael Lynskey. “Testing hypotheses about the relationship between cannabis use and psychosis,” Drug and Alcohol Dependence 71 (2003): 42-4.

*
Weil, A. “Adverse Reactions to Marijuana: Classification and Suggested Treatment.” New England Journal of Medicine 282 (1970): 997-1000.

I could quote many sites that say otherwise. The government won't move on its stance (which I believe is the correct stance). I don't care what happens in the US, they all have the right to bear arms, no one is campaining for that on a huge scale here. No mattter what way the vote goes nothing will change here.
#40
FilthAndFurry;8207419
A quick google would find evidence for the roswell alien being the second shooter on the grassy knoll.

Show me this link. :thumbsup:

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