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sedd33 Avatar
6y, 1m agoPosted 6 years, 1 month ago
yesterday they announced the end of child benefit and now this? taking from one hand then giving to the other. wheres the savings?

just shows no different to other governments- its all about pr- this will cost a fortune


they would save a fortune simply by leaving things as they are rather faffing about trying to cover the cracks


all spin no action

bring back brown





http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11478320
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banned#2
You need to put some sentence or other or it will get spammed by the people with nothing better to do.

My input; 2015!!! wtf they thinking?? I want it now!
#3
Looks like getting married has its benefits after all.
#4
lumoruk
You need to put some sentence or other or it will get spammed by the people with nothing better to do.My input; 2015!!! wtf they thinking?? I want it now!

You got nothing to worry about, by 2015 you will be a pensioner.
banned#5
PraxxtorCruel
You got nothing to worry about, by 2015 you will be a pensioner.


What? No that would be 83 yrs away as I am now 27 :(
#6
they didnt announce the END of child benefit-just for some people.
banned#7
thats what its all about, changing the purse names, and hey presto things look better, not one of them give a toss about the real issues, just like playing shop
1 Like #8
you will notice that all these changes,benefits,getting people off disability blah blah are for the NEXT parliament-in other words-never.

succesive governments have talked the game for decades,but when push comes to shove-hee haw will happen.
#9
sassie
thats what its all about, changing the purse names, and hey presto things look better, not one of them give a toss about the real issues, just like playing shop


sad really, its bleeding dry this wonderful country of ours


feel sorry for the kids, not a great future to look forward to

Edited By: sedd33 on Oct 05, 2010 18:18: ...
banned#10
sassie
thats what its all about, changing the purse names, and hey presto things look better, not one of them give a toss about the real issues, just like playing shop


haha bitter are we? Nothing stopping you getting married again and it's not like you earn £40k+ :p
banned#11
lumoruk
sassie
thats what its all about, changing the purse names, and hey presto things look better, not one of them give a toss about the real issues, just like playing shop


haha bitter are we? Nothing stopping you getting married again and it's not like you earn £40k+ :p


everything about that is wrong, but carry on :p
banned#12
sassie
everything about that is wrong, but carry on :p


You never got married and you've started working again earning £40k+ ? damn I missed out.
banned#13
you gonna change your avvy to

Edited By: sassie on Oct 05, 2010 18:54: m
#14
I don't think they're thinking anything through properly. Which is good actually, leaving mile wide loopholes as they go!
#15
I have actually changed form being angry to laughing at the poorly thought out farce being enacted at the Tory conference, to the back ground refrain of 'the mess the labour government left us in'.

It is ironic how the promises of last year's conference - child benefits not to be touched, for instance, have evaporated and the 'changes' will not happen for years; yet but it's to the chorus of ' we must make changes now and cut back public spending'.

Apparently they have found a few million of savings in the NHS so all will be fine!!

What a bunch of economic idiots. Of course the change in child benefits ( if it actually does change; I saw one Tory, on the telly, say that there's a long time before the proposed alterations) will be offset and more, by the married persons allowance.

I wonder if marriage in the newly recognised ( by the relevant authorities, giving charity perks) pagan church will be OK? I wonder if they have thought of removing charity status from churches and public schools?

Master Osbourne looks like a man bereft, as 'good old Vince' isn't by his side.

My laughter is hollow BTW. Oh and what happenend to parliamentary debate of tax and economic changes? Yes, the Con Dem Nation is pretty much as expected.

Edited By: chesso on Oct 05, 2010 19:08: e ?
[mod] 2 Likes #16
I can't take any political thread seriously that states "Bring back Brown" oO
#17
Didn't we used to have married tax break? Although i doubt the amount saved on child benefit will be anywhere near what they give for the tax break. I actually think its a good thing the child benefit cuts.

My brother in law is on 100k+ a year, so why should he get child benefit?

The child benefit cuts are up to 44k for one person therefore a couple could still be on a total of 87k and recieve child benefit. Anything over that and its stopped, bloody right too!
#18
jellybaby22
im going to lose my child benefit :( So it will be nice to get something back :p
Ding dong. the bells are gonna chime
#19
Shellywelly
Didn't we used to have married tax break? Although i doubt the amount saved on child benefit will be anywhere near what they give for the tax break. I actually think its a good thing the child benefit cuts. My brother in law is on 100k+ a year, so why should he get child benefit?The child benefit cuts are up to 44k for one person therefore a couple could still be on a total of 87k and recieve child benefit. Anything over that and its stopped, bloody right too!
Yes

re child benefit most
in this other thread
were of that opinion as well.
banned#20
sassie
you gonna change your avvy to


What does that mean?
1 Like #21
What the gvmt should do is pay child benefit to the first two children only. Parents who have more than two children can obviously afford to look after them or why would they keep having more?? I have nothing against big families as long as they are not claiming off the state for all of their children.

What they have done with this decision is is isolate successful people (who have worked hard and no doubt studied hard for their money). They should address the people who have 3 & 4 children and have not got jobs and who have absolutely no intention of working.

Vouchers for food, milk etc should be given out instead of cash to make sure that at least the money is going on the child (hopefully), see if that will cut the amount of people having children to claim benefits.


'Bring back Brown' thats a laugh!! - Trouble is no matter who gets in, they have absolutely no common sense and cannot see what the general public can.


Edited By: maccy1 on Oct 06, 2010 20:18: ...
#22
maccy1
What the gvmt should do is pay child benefit to the first two children only. Parents who have more than two children can obviously afford to look after them or why would they keep having more?? I have nothing against big families as long as they are not claiming off the state for all of their children.

What they have done with this decision is is isolate successful people (who have worked hard and no doubt studied hard for their money). They should address the people who have 3 & 4 children and have not got jobs and who have absolutely no intention of working.

'Bring back Brown' thats a laugh!! - Trouble is no matter who gets in, they have absolutely no common sense and cannot see what the general public can.
Vouchers for food, milk etc should be given out instead of cash to make sure that at least the money is going on the child (hopefully).


lets hope life dont deal you a crap hand an you have to become hypocrites!!!!! life can take a funny turn in a heart beat! dont judge everyone with the jeremy kyle standard...... most of the people on benefits would tell you they wanted so much more from life!!!!
1 Like #23
ilovepink
maccy1
What the gvmt should do is pay child benefit to the first two children only. Parents who have more than two children can obviously afford to look after them or why would they keep having more?? I have nothing against big families as long as they are not claiming off the state for all of their children. What they have done with this decision is is isolate successful people (who have worked hard and no doubt studied hard for their money). They should address the people who have 3 & 4 children and have not got jobs and who have absolutely no intention of working. 'Bring back Brown' thats a laugh!! - Trouble is no matter who gets in, they have absolutely no common sense and cannot see what the general public can.Vouchers for food, milk etc should be given out instead of cash to make sure that at least the money is going on the child (hopefully).
lets hope life dont deal you a crap hand an you have to become hypocrites!!!!! life can take a funny turn in a heart beat! dont judge everyone with the jeremy kyle standard...... most of the people on benefits would tell you they wanted so much more from life!!!!

Its not about life dealing a crap hand, I have nothing against people on benefits, but there are thousands out there who do not want to work and have not intention of working - benefits are there to help people when they need it - it is not supposed to be a life long payment.

I have known people who have worked all their life and god forbid they have had to try and claim anything when they could have done with a bit of help through illness, uemployment etc.

There are people out there who know how to work the system and this will continue as long as they are getting hand outs.

Have to agree wholeheartedly about your comments about Jeremy though :D




Edited By: maccy1 on Oct 06, 2010 20:28: ...
banned 1 Like #24
maccy1
What the gvmt should do is pay child benefit to the first two children only. Parents who have more than two children can obviously afford to look after them or why would they keep having more?? I have nothing against big families as long as they are not claiming off the state for all of their children.

What they have done with this decision is is isolate successful people (who have worked hard and no doubt studied hard for their money). They should address the people who have 3 & 4 children and have not got jobs and who have absolutely no intention of working.

Vouchers for food, milk etc should be given out instead of cash to make sure that at least the money is going on the child (hopefully), see if that will cut the amount of people having children to claim benefits.


'Bring back Brown' thats a laugh!! - Trouble is no matter who gets in, they have absolutely no common sense and cannot see what the general public can.



i sort of agree with everything you have said, and i am a single mum on beneft, but dont belive this is the way to sort out anything, cutting benefits will not encourage those that dont want to work to work, and those that want to work arent going to be able to find a job just because their benefits have been cut, where this country has gone wrong is that it no longer encourages family values, bring that back and we may get somewhere
#25
maccy1
ilovepink
maccy1
What the gvmt should do is pay child benefit to the first two children only. Parents who have more than two children can obviously afford to look after them or why would they keep having more?? I have nothing against big families as long as they are not claiming off the state for all of their children. What they have done with this decision is is isolate successful people (who have worked hard and no doubt studied hard for their money). They should address the people who have 3 & 4 children and have not got jobs and who have absolutely no intention of working. 'Bring back Brown' thats a laugh!! - Trouble is no matter who gets in, they have absolutely no common sense and cannot see what the general public can.Vouchers for food, milk etc should be given out instead of cash to make sure that at least the money is going on the child (hopefully).
lets hope life dont deal you a crap hand an you have to become hypocrites!!!!! life can take a funny turn in a heart beat! dont judge everyone with the jeremy kyle standard...... most of the people on benefits would tell you they wanted so much more from life!!!!


Its not about life dealing a crap hand, I have nothing against people on benefits, but there are thousands out there who do not want to work and have not intention of working - benefits are there to help people when they need it - it is not supposed to be a life long payment.

I have known people who have worked all their life and god forbid they have had to try and claim anything when they could have done with a bit of help through illness, umployment etc.

There are people out there who know how to work the system and this will continue as long as they are getting hand outs.

Have to agree wholeheartedly about your comments about Jeremy though :D




i have worked hard, still am really, at the moment im trying to get some sort of college course but do you think the people ring back when they promise to do they hell

the job centre has a lot to answer for a lot of them dont give a toss about helping people with work, benefits or courses


as for working the system your always get people that do that in all areas of life it not just those who choose benefits as a lifestyle choice, but it leaves a bad taste in peoples mouths when other generalise or stero type




Edited By: ilovepink on Oct 06, 2010 20:38: tyums
banned#26
"I have worked and hard"...."promise to dot they hell"...

No wonder they don't ring back...lol oOX)
#27
sassie
maccy1
What the gvmt should do is pay child benefit to the first two children only. Parents who have more than two children can obviously afford to look after them or why would they keep having more?? I have nothing against big families as long as they are not claiming off the state for all of their children. What they have done with this decision is is isolate successful people (who have worked hard and no doubt studied hard for their money). They should address the people who have 3 & 4 children and have not got jobs and who have absolutely no intention of working. Vouchers for food, milk etc should be given out instead of cash to make sure that at least the money is going on the child (hopefully), see if that will cut the amount of people having children to claim benefits. 'Bring back Brown' thats a laugh!! - Trouble is no matter who gets in, they have absolutely no common sense and cannot see what the general public can.
i sort of agree with everything you have said, and i am a single mum on beneft, but dont belive this is the way to sort out anything, cutting benefits will not encourage those that dont want to work to work, and those that want to work arent going to be able to find a job just because their benefits have been cut, where this country has gone wrong is that it no longer encourages family values, bring that back and we may get somewhere

I have friends who are single mothers, through no fault of their own, relationships break down, people are made redundant etc. I honestly have compassion for people who need, whether it be short term, or long term (illness etc) and who are claiming.

Everybody will needs some sort of help in their life (if not they are very, very lucky), I do not feel I am being hypocritical just speaking as I find. :)
banned#28
what funny hand were you dealt ilovepink? and when did this happen?

just trying to understand your position
banned 1 Like #29
maccy1
sassie
maccy1
What the gvmt should do is pay child benefit to the first two children only. Parents who have more than two children can obviously afford to look after them or why would they keep having more?? I have nothing against big families as long as they are not claiming off the state for all of their children. What they have done with this decision is is isolate successful people (who have worked hard and no doubt studied hard for their money). They should address the people who have 3 & 4 children and have not got jobs and who have absolutely no intention of working. Vouchers for food, milk etc should be given out instead of cash to make sure that at least the money is going on the child (hopefully), see if that will cut the amount of people having children to claim benefits. 'Bring back Brown' thats a laugh!! - Trouble is no matter who gets in, they have absolutely no common sense and cannot see what the general public can.
i sort of agree with everything you have said, and i am a single mum on beneft, but dont belive this is the way to sort out anything, cutting benefits will not encourage those that dont want to work to work, and those that want to work arent going to be able to find a job just because their benefits have been cut, where this country has gone wrong is that it no longer encourages family values, bring that back and we may get somewhere


I have friends who are single mothers, through no fault of their own, relationships break down, people are made redundant etc. I honestly have compassion for people who need, whether it be short term, or long term (illness etc) and who are claiming.

Everybody will needs some sort of help in their life (if not they are very, very lucky), I do not feel I am being hypocritical just speaking as I find. :)


totoally agree and didnt find your post hypocrytical at all, it is like everything, there are those that couldnt give a toss at whatever costs and those that do care and can see beyond what sells the papers
#30
lumoruk
"I have worked and hard"...."promise to dot they hell"...

No wonder they don't ring back...lol oOX)

:p
#31
bykergrove
what funny hand were you dealt ilovepink? and when did this happen?

just trying to understand your position


OH really not me, he had a good job and worked all the hours etc etc
until he was attacked
ended up with his face being broke by a baseball bat

left with injuries physical and mental,

metal plates in his face, partial blindness, medication for the rest of his life, epilepsy and memory problems





Edited By: ilovepink on Oct 06, 2010 20:43: 45wemu
#32
ilovepink

You have your opinion and I have mine, my comments are not stereotyping anyone - the people I am speaking about exist, in their thousands, if you read my comments again maybe you will see. - Just read you comments about the attack, that is terrible and this is exactly what I am speaking about when people will need help through some part of their life and I hope your OH recovers.

Hi sassie, sorry I was not referring to you thinking my comments were hypocritical, it was mentioned in ilovepink's comment. :)

Anyhow - how about team maccy1 for the next election - any hands!! X)



Edited By: maccy1 on Oct 06, 2010 20:47: ...
banned#33
ilovepink
bykergrove
what funny hand were you dealt ilovepink? and when did this happen?

just trying to understand your position


OH really not me, he had a good job and worked all the hours etc etc
until he was attacked
ended up with his face being broke by a baseball bat

left with injuries physical and mental,

metal plates in his face, partial blindness, medication for the rest of his life, epilepsy and memory problems






holy **** did they get the people that did it? why did they? was he a security guard or something?
#34
maccy1
ilovepink

You have your opinion and I have mine, my comments are not stereotyping anyone - the people I am speaking about exist, in their thousands, if you read my comments again maybe you will see.

Hi sassie, sorry I was not referring to you thinking my comments were hypocritical, it was mentioned in ilovepink's comment. :)

Anyhow - how about team maccy1 for the next election - any hands!! X)


i actually bolded the bit i was talking about ....Vouchers for food, milk etc should be given out instead of cash

i would find that embarrassing tbh
#35
Ilovepink - really sorry to hear what your other half has gone through - that is terrible. Hope he recovers quickly. - fair comment re the vouchers.

Edited By: maccy1 on Oct 06, 2010 20:50: ...
#36
bykergrove
ilovepink
bykergrove
what funny hand were you dealt ilovepink? and when did this happen?

just trying to understand your position


OH really not me, he had a good job and worked all the hours etc etc
until he was attacked
ended up with his face being broke by a baseball bat

left with injuries physical and mental,

metal plates in his face, partial blindness, medication for the rest of his life, epilepsy and memory problems






holy **** did they get the people that did it? why did they? was he a security guard or something?


yes they did, they served 2 years (crap eh?)
he was trying to be a peacemaker when it happened he actually helped another girl up while his face was smashed up to then receive further blows to his back
#37
maccy1
Ilovepink - really sorry to hear what your other half has gone through - that is terrible. Hope he recovers quickly.


sorry it wasnt recent it was about 10 years ago now and still suffers with major problems
banned#38
ilovepink
OH really not me, he had a good job and worked all the hours etc etc
until he was attacked
ended up with his face being broke by a baseball bat

left with injuries physical and mental,

metal plates in his face, partial blindness, medication for the rest of his life, epilepsy and memory problems


That sounds like my wife's worst nightmare of what might happen to me, has been a time I've been in the middle of no where at midnight confronted on my job with a guy holding a knife and a crowbar in the other hand.

She wants me to work days, but the money is in working shifts with nights.

Edited By: lumoruk on Oct 06, 2010 20:55: ,,,
1 Like #39
Now I can understand some of your comments. Honestly though, this is what I am saying about benefits being there for people who truly need them, obviously you need/have needed help and I hope you got it.
#40
maccy1
Now I can understand some of your comments. Honestly though, this is what I am saying about benefits being there for people who truly need them, obviously you need/have needed help and I hope you got it.


i just get a bit annoyed as when people moan about those on benefits, i feel im being attacked which i prob aint but i do get embarrassed when people ask me what i do for a living or such and such and for someone to say benefits should be in vouchers i just freak out lol

i am trying to find out about college courses and stuff and maybe get a trade that i can work from home with or mobile

it is hard because theres not a lot of help out there if your a carer and i have to be careful how many hours education i do as it could affect our benefits its a minefield

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