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Microsoft Starts New Ban Wave on LIVE Against Modified Firmwares

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9y, 2w agoPosted 9 years, 2 weeks ago
We don't have a lot of information yet (it just started, but we try to warn you all as early as possible), but it looks like Microsoft started a new wave of bans against modified DVD firmwares or DVD+/-R DL discs.
Several users on our forums and on IRC report their Xbox 360 has been banned from LIVE today. We get reports of Toshiba-Samsung and Hitachi-LG drives banned with both Xtreme and even the newer iXtreme firmwares. However we also see many reports of people who are currently on LIVE and have no been banned (yet). No reports of banned BenQ drives yet (but few of these drives have been flashed yet).
We don't know yet if Microsoft is detecting the modified firmware or the discs (or maybe only with a specific game?).
If you have the 'Z Code' 8015-190D it means you are banned. As always Microsoft bans the console serial from LIVE, not your LIVE account.
If your console is banned or if you have been playing on LIVE today with modified FW without getting banned, report you findings in this thread (include at least your live status, full drive model (swapped drive?, spoofing?) and firmware version used).

So until we have more info we HIGHLY suggest you don't log in to Xbox LIVE and don't play any games from DVD+/-R DL (even offline, incase MS flags something) if you have a flashed DVD drive.
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9y, 2w agoPosted 9 years, 2 weeks ago
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#1
Good, they should be banned for using non-compliant discs...I wonder what they were using them for?

haha
#2
Serves people right.
#3
It is NOT illegal to make backups of your games.

If you had the choice, wouldn't you rather use your backups, than risk your expensive £40 each games.

Now i know i know, 90% of people are just using copied games, but what about the genuine people.

Now, for all you pirate freaks, did you know that it was illegal to rip music from a CD into MP3, onto your computer or MP3 player
#4
peodude
It is NOT illegal to make backups of your games.

If you had the choice, wouldn't you rather use your backups, than risk your expensive £40 each games.

Now i know i know, 90% of people are just using copied games, but what about the genuine people.

Now, for all you pirate freaks, did you know that it was illegal to rip music from a CD into MP3, onto your computer or MP3 player


How is it legal to make a back-up of an Xbox360 game, what legal software is there to get round the security to copy the DVD in the first place let alone play a copied/back-up version?

Point 2 - yes.
#5
It may not be illegal to make backups but it is to circumvent the protection to stop the backups being played ;)

I only care about the poor sods who get their 360s banned and actually know what tactics are in Team Fortress 2, too many idiots these days
banned#6
Think you may find it is illegal to COPY any copyrighted material, a backup is a COPY jesus read the bloody copyright on these things before you go saying it's legal.
#7
lumoruk
Think you may find it is illegal to COPY any copyrighted material, a backup is a COPY jesus read the bloody copyright on these things before you go saying it's legal.



Exactly QFT
#8
a difficult subject, as i for one as most likely many of you when buying a chart cd do you buy 2, one for the car and one for in doors, i wouldnt think so, but where do you draw a line, ah
#9
sofiamary
a difficult subject, as i for one as most likely many of you when buying a chart cd do you buy 2, one for the car and one for in doors, i wouldnt think so, but where do you draw a line, ah


not really a difficult subject, like lumoruk stated, its illegal to make back-ups. I use to have a PS1 which had a few games that weren't legit, but who didn't.. Plus all my 360 games are legit :)
#10
jamesterror
not really a difficult subject, like lumoruk stated, its illegal to make back-ups. I use to have a PS1 which had a few games that weren't legit, but who didn't.. Plus all my 360 games are legit :)



yeah, that didnt come out to right, i must admit, but just trying to say how many of us do make back ups etc.
#11
sofiamary
yeah, that didnt come out to right, i must admit, but just trying to say how many of us do make back ups etc.


I know what your saying, copying a audio CD is damn easy compared to the process of copying a Xbox DVD which is encrypted and secured and requires the use of hacking software to get around it, so your intentions are already seen as pretty determined if you have 360 game back-ups.
#12
sofiamary
yeah, that didnt come out to right, i must admit, but just trying to say how many of us do make back ups etc.


Yeah I know what you mean, in reality how many people don't use backups, its annoying paying up a tenner for a CD then getting a nice scratch which stops it from working. =/
#13
i couldnt copy a xbox game if i tried, way to complicated for me, but i am sure they will always get round it, same as anything, they seem to crack almost all pc related stuff.

but as on that subject i wonder where you would stand, by copying cd's, like i said earlier i normally copy one for the car as cant be bothered to keep taking it in and out of the house. suppose still illegal !
#14
lumoruk
Think you may find it is illegal to COPY any copyrighted material, a backup is a COPY jesus read the bloody copyright on these things before you go saying it's legal.


That simply isn't true, there are many many exceptions to this 'rule' and what it states on any disclaimer may be far from legally binding. Copyright law is much more complex than you state here and varies from country to country.
#15
jah128
That simply isn't true, there are many many exceptions to this 'rule' and what it states on any disclaimer may be far from legally binding. Copyright law is much more complex than you state here and varies from country to country.


This is about Xbox games - 'stay on topic'.
#16
sorry about that, i was one of the culprits. :oops:
#17
A lot of countries have a "fair use" policy that allows backing up your own stuff. The UK does not. It should have but there you go.

Not sure how I feel. Owners should be able to backup their own stuff, especially as the 360 likes to scratch up discs, but then a lot of people who use hacked firmware don't buy the games so I can't really blame MS for fighting back.
#18
MS was happy to let people using hacked consoles play on LIVE for ages, they could have shut them down at any time but of course they were trying to beat the PS3 in the popularity stakes. There's little doubt that the ability to hack firmware on consoles means more people buy them as few people can afford many games at over £40 a game.


That does not make it right though, but if you think for one second that if all of a sudden there was no piracy in the software world then prices would drop, well you're as mad as a bag of frogs.

IMHO dropping the price of the games considerably would eliminate a lot of piracy. But this isn't going to happen either.
#19
lumoruk
Think you may find it is illegal to COPY any copyrighted material, a backup is a COPY jesus read the bloody copyright on these things before you go saying it's legal.

Well said.

Serves em right. If we all bought genuine discs then the price wouldnt start at £40 and come down over time. It would find a lower natural level just like CD's did over time.
#20
Didn't this happen quite a while ago?
#21
peodude
It is NOT illegal to make backups of your games.

If you had the choice, wouldn't you rather use your backups, than risk your expensive £40 each games.


These arnt the days of the Amiga, DVDs are pretty sturdy and so there really is little need for "backups"
#22
This is the only thing that puts me off getting my 360 flashed.

God it was so easy in the days of the ps1, ps2 etc....

90% of the people who say they are legally backing their games up are chatting mess. I doubt most of them have the original. Just admit you're copying the game coz you want them cheap. I have nothing against you.
#23
All these companies should offer a replacement scheme, that goes for dvd's too. If your disc scratches and becomes unplayable (it does happen) then you should be able to send off the disc and get a replacement for a small fee. As they dont (as far as im aware) then you cant blame people for backing them up. £40 is a lot of money, as its not the disc your really buying its the data thats stored on it.

If discs where stronger and didnt scratch easily there would be no need for all this. They should put there efforts into coming up with a new tougher disc.
#24
pluves1
Well said.

Serves em right. If we all bought genuine discs then the price wouldnt start at £40 and come down over time. It would find a lower natural level just like CD's did over time.



How naive are you? CD's have come down in price because nobody is buying them and everyone is downloading music. If you seriously think that the prices would come tumbling down if everyone purchased original software then you're seriously deluded.
#25
apduk


If discs where stronger and didnt scratch easily there would be no need for all this. They should put there efforts into coming up with a new tougher disc.


IN the last 7 years of owning a disc based console only one game has stopped working, and that was because my PS2 fell off during play. Its not hard to put a disc back in its box after you use it
#26
Titchimp
IN the last 7 years of owning a disc based console only one game has stopped working, and that was because my PS2 fell off during play. Its not hard to put a disc back in its box after you use it


Exactly. I can understand that people have kids and they can get to them and stuff, but in the majority of cases you should just take care of your stuff.
#27
I am not naive.

As someone who has been buying cds for nearly 25 years the price (after taking into account inflation) has come down dramatically. This is not soley because people dont buy CDs. People still buy CDs but digital downloads now probably outstrip physical disc sales.

Lets take an example shall we

On iTunes you can download The Killers Sawdust for £7.90. That involves me using a PC to download the song and add it to my iTunes list. I then get that stored on my PC and I can download it to my ipod. So thats all I get right?

Same album from HMV £8.99 or £1.09 more expensive. For that I get a nice shiny CD and nice shiny case. Album artwork including a little booklet. I can then download that onto my iTunes library and I have the same album as you do.

Believe me more money is made from downloads than is made from buying a CD. Thats why I downright refuse to pay £7.90 for something where I do all the work and have nothing to show for it apart from a few songs on my pc.

Now who is the naive one?

I dont wish to enter a long debate but, take a look at the vinyl version of the above album on HMV. £14.95. Now who would have thought that vinyl would make a comeback as it has with collectors and those who still believe vinyl (with a very expensive record player and sound system set up) is the way music was meant to be listened to?
#28
who gives a s*** whether its legal or not, its not going to change our habbits, as long as prices are high piracy is still going to exist whether its legal or not and poeple are still going to download them.
#29
pluves1
I am not naive.

As someone who has been buying cds for nearly 25 years the price (after taking into account inflation) has come down dramatically. This is not soley because people dont buy CDs. People still buy CDs but digital downloads now probably outstrip physical disc sales.

Lets take an example shall we

On iTunes you can download The Killers Sawdust for £7.90. That involves me using a PC to download the song and add it to my iTunes list. I then get that stored on my PC and I can download it to my ipod. So thats all I get right?

Same album from HMV £8.99 or £1.09 more expensive. For that I get a nice shiny CD and nice shiny case. Album artwork including a little booklet. I can then download that onto my iTunes library and I have the same album as you do.

Believe me more money is made from downloads than is made from buying a CD. Thats why I downright refuse to pay £7.90 for something where I do all the work and have nothing to show for it apart from a few songs on my pc.

Now who is the naive one?

I dont wish to enter a long debate but, take a look at the vinyl version of the above album on HMV. £14.95. Now who would have thought that vinyl would make a comeback as it has with collectors and those who still believe vinyl (with a very expensive record player and sound system set up) is the way music was meant to be listened to?


What has that got to do with copying Xbox 360 games?
#30
kk_cheung
who gives a s*** whether its legal or not, its not going to change our habbits, as long as prices are high piracy is still going to exist whether its legal or not and poeple are still going to download them.


You can't play copied games on line.
#31
yes u can
#32
clnmckec
yes u can


Oh right, so you modded your Xbox to play copied games which gets it banned from Xbox Live......

:whistling:

You sure about that statement now, and the title of this thread, do you really want go down that road to loserville?

lolington
#33
You can play copied games online as there is a certain stealth mod or something. But you will get caught and banned eventually.
#34
pakichan
You can play copied games online as there is a certain stealth mod or something. But you will get caught and banned eventually.


Which concludes to the fact that you can't. Look I know about chipping xbox's I started a long time ago and did it for friends etc when it was a soldering kit then a non solder kit etc. I know my stuff, the same with all online games its alot easier to stop copying, ie through Steam and on line accounts for multiplayer games. Single player is the only sure way of playing copied games, on-line is a dying art for playing copied games it has a finite time line.
#35
Alfonse
Which concludes to the fact that you can't. Look I know about chipping xbox's I started a long time ago and did it for friends etc when it was a soldering kit then a non solder kit etc. I know my stuff, the same with all online games its alot easier to stop copying, ie through Steam and on line accounts for multiplayer games. Single player is the only sure way of playing copied games, on-line is a dying art for playing copied games it has a finite time line.


But you can though, so it is possible. You will get caught, but you can still do it uptil that point, who knows when that will be.

I'm not doubting your knowledge on this subject, but saying something is a fact when it isn't, is a logic I don't understand.

I agree with most of your post, apart from the first sentence.
You can play online with your modded 360, until you get banned, whenever that is. That's a fact.
#36
What I do find interesting, however, is what the system is capable of doing when hacked.

I have an original xbox. In fact, no, I have 2. I have Xbox Media Centre running on them. "Pimped Edition". I also (AFAIK) don't have any "dodgy" software. I bought the chip simply because a colleague explained the beauty of XBMC.

Did you know in addition to playing games, my xbox can do the following:

[LIST]
[*]Surf the web using a proper web browser
[*]Play streaming video files (including Youtube etc)
[*]Play streaming music (from online radio stations)
[*]unzip files
[*]play just about any video and music format you throw at it (including an odd MKV Russian video format that someone chose to encode a tv series that I missed an episode of)
[*]connect to the Internet and download RSS feeds
[*]Loads more that I can't remember right now
[/LIST]

Believe it or not, this is illegal and Microsoft would happily throw me in jail or give me a serious fine because I am running a non-standard OS. Imagine if Intel brought out a chipset and said "You can only run Windows on this. Try to run Linux on it and we'll fine you millions"

So anyways, the point was, someone came up with the Kai network for xbox. It's the same as xbox live and it's free. completely free! In addition, you can have multi-platform gaming so you can use Xbox, PS2, PSP and Gamecube. It's about time something similar came out for Xbox360....
#37
newsgroupmonkey

What I do find interesting, however, is what the system is capable of doing when hacked.

I have an original xbox. In fact, no, I have 2. I have Xbox Media Centre running on them. "Pimped Edition". I also (AFAIK) don't have any "dodgy" software. I bought the chip simply because a colleague explained the beauty of XBMC.

Did you know in addition to playing games, my xbox can do the following:

* Surf the web using a proper web browser
* Play streaming video files (including Youtube etc)
* Play streaming music (from online radio stations)
* unzip files
* play just about any video and music format you throw at it (including an odd MKV Russian video format that someone chose to encode a tv series that I missed an episode of)
* connect to the Internet and download RSS feeds
* Loads more that I can't remember right now


Believe it or not, this is illegal and Microsoft would happily throw me in jail or give me a serious fine because I am running a non-standard OS. Imagine if Intel brought out a chipset and said "You can only run Windows on this. Try to run Linux on it and we'll fine you millions"

So anyways, the point was, someone came up with the Kai network for xbox. It's the same as xbox live and it's free. completely free! In addition, you can have multi-platform gaming so you can use Xbox, PS2, PSP and Gamecube. It's about time something similar came out for Xbox360....


There is a big difference though, at the moment the 360 can't run unsigned code (apart from with very backdated kernel versions which even then is difficult to do) so there is no reason to mod it apart from piracy - Unlike the XBOX1 which like you said has excellent 3rd party applications like XBMC.

--

Anyway, good. I hope everyone who plays online with a modded console gets banned, it's about time. (unless of course in the highly unlikely event of the console being modded and them playing a legal version)
#38
newsgroupmonkey

Believe it or not, this is illegal and Microsoft would happily throw me in jail or give me a serious fine because I am running a non-standard OS. Imagine if Intel brought out a chipset and said "You can only run Windows on this. Try to run Linux on it and we'll fine you millions"

That isn't entirely correct. It isn't illegal to run other software on your Xbox, what make it illegal is the fact that in order to compile the XBMC into executable form, it is currently necessary to use the Microsoft XDK (Xbox Development Kit) which is only available to licensed developers and the resulting code may only be distributed by them. Accordingly, code compiled with an unauthorized copy of the Xbox Development Kit may not be distributed legally.

newsgroupmonkey
So anyways, the point was, someone came up with the Kai network for xbox. It's the same as xbox live and it's free. completely free! In addition, you can have multi-platform gaming so you can use Xbox, PS2, PSP and Gamecube. It's about time something similar came out for Xbox360....


Not quite true either. It only works with games using the system link facility, so it isn't really the same as Xbox Live.

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