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MMR and autism - do you belive there is a link

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banned7y, 4m agoPosted 7 years, 4 months ago
PLEASE DO NOT TURN THIS INTO AN ARGUMENT AND RESPECT ALL OPINIONS

Discussing this with a friend whose friend hasnt yet immunised her son, due to her mixed feelings on the MMR jab. I personally believe that there maybe a flaw in a childs genetic make up and could be brought out by the MMR jab, a little like everything has side effects and maybe one in thousands could react badly

I remember on immunising both my children that fear felt by me, especially when immunising my son
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banned7y, 4m agoPosted 7 years, 4 months ago
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banned#1
'I personally believe that there maybe a flaw in a childs genetic make up and could be brought out by the MMR jab'.

Just in case anyone reading this is slightly worried by this, I'd like to point out there is no proven link and Sassie isn't a doctor of anything.
#2
The risk of the side effects are worth taking considering what could happen if not immunised.
#3
busymom;5853360
The risk of the side effects are worth taking considering what could happen if not immunised.


+1

Don't believe the flawed findings.......:roll:
banned 1 Like #4
busymom
The risk of the side effects are worth taking considering what could happen if not immunised.


I felt that too, although i know alot chose the seperate jabs
banned#5
choc1969
+1

Don't believe the flawed findings.......:roll:


What about Sassie's beliefs? She does make a convincing argument in the op.
banned#6
tosh

there have been a number of SCIENTIFIC reports that have found no link WHATSOEVER with MMR and autism

I feel that the parents of autistic kids who are blaming the MMR are merely looking for something on which to vent their anger and despair - which can be understandable as finding out your kid has it must be devastating. however having worked with autistic kids, there are varying degrees of autism to consider.

sorry sassie - it may appear that you have been sucked in by the constant scaremongering
banned#7
dimebars
tosh

there have been a number of SCIENTIFIC reports that have found no link WHATSOEVER with MMR and autism

I feel that the parents of autistic kids who are blaming the MMR are merely looking for something on which to vent their anger and despair - which can be understandable as finding out your kid has it must be devastating. however having worked with autistic kids, there are varying degrees of autism to consider.

sorry sassie - it may appear that you have been sucked in by the constant scaremongering


I dont feel i have been sucked in, i dont belive all these parents lied that their children showed no signs of autism before the mmr, parents will always look for answers and i dont believe lying to themselves will get them
banned#8
dimebars
tosh

there have been a number of SCIENTIFIC reports that have found no link WHATSOEVER with MMR and autism

I feel that the parents of autistic kids who are blaming the MMR are merely looking for something on which to vent their anger and despair - which can be understandable as finding out your kid has it must be devastating. however having worked with autistic kids, there are varying degrees of autism to consider.

sorry sassie - it may appear that you have been sucked in by the constant scaremongering


True - the problem is that the people who were so happy to believe the hype now don't believe the numerous reports and studies discrediting it.

Maybe it's understandable up to a point, but ignorance in this department can have deadly ramifications.
#9
sassie;5853439
I dont feel i have been sucked in, but i dont belive all these parents lied that their children showed no signs of autism before the mmr, parents will always look for answers and i dont belive lying to themselves will get them


some do jump on the bandwagon though unfortunately sassie

autism seems an excuse for a lot of childrens behavioural problems nowadays, the same as adhd........:thinking:
banned#10
sassie
I dont feel i have been sucked in, i dont belive all these parents lied that their children showed no signs of autism before the mmr, parents will always look for answers and i dont believe lying to themselves will get them


i dont believe that lying to themselves will get them answers either - however it is a natuiral reaction to look for someone or something to blame

sorry - but science wins it for me - and they have proven no link at all
#11
My little boy was due to go for his MMR, and because of all the autism stories, I was too scared to get it done and put it off. As it was, my little boy was diagnosed with autism not long after, but if I had gone and given him the MMR when he was due it, no doubt I would have blamed the jab and then blamed myself for his condition thinking that my choice for him to have the jabs caused his autism.

Maybe it's all about timing, and the age when the MMR is due is also the same age that signs of autism start showing themselves ?
#12
MMR jab = Something to blame.
banned#13
choc1969
some do jump on the bandwagon though unfortunately sassie

autism seems an excuse for a lot of childrens behavioural problems nowadays, the same as adhd........:thinking:


correct - misdiagnosis of autism is rife

where i worked we had one kid who was apparently autistic - now it turns out he was just badly behaved
#14
Charlie&Lola;5853460
My little boy was due to go for his MMR, and because of all the autism stories, I was too scared to get it done and put it off. As it was, my little boy was diagnosed with autism not long after, but if I had gone and given him the MMR when he was due it, no doubt I would have blamed the jab and then blamed myself for his condition thinking that my choice for him to have the jabs caused his autism.

Maybe it's all about timing, and the age when the MMR is due is also the same age that signs of autism start showing themselves ?


hmmmm, interesting and good point :thumbsup:
banned#15
Charlie&Lola

Maybe it's all about timing, and the age when the MMR is due is also the same age that signs of autism start showing themselves ?


you could be quite right
banned#16
choc1969
some do jump on the bandwagon though unfortunately sassie

autism seems an excuse for a lot of childrens behavioural problems nowadays, the same as adhd........:thinking:


Not everyone jumps on the badwagon, and i still dont believe all parents of children with autism would lie about their children but you last sentance is something i totally agree with
banned#17
sassie
Not everyone jumps on the badwagon, and i still dont believe all parents of children with autism would lie about their children but you last sentance is something i totally agree with


not ALL parents blame the jab though

if it were my kids, no doubt id search for answers, but blaming the jab seems the easy option

again the scientific proof wins it for me
#18
OP you laugh in the face of those parents worrying about their kids suffering from Swine Flu then you start this nonsense (IMO)

So in summary this thread is hypocritical. Just saying
#19
sassie;5853473
Not everyone jumps on the badwagon, and i still dont believe all parents of children with autism would lie about their children but you last sentance is something i totally agree with


but parents don't like the thought of their child being different so look for something/someone to blame

to me......different = normal
banned#20
Charlie&Lola
My little boy was due to go for his MMR, and because of all the autism stories, I was too scared to get it done and put it off. As it was, my little boy was diagnosed with autism not long after, but if I had gone and given him the MMR when he was due it, no doubt I would have blamed the jab and then blamed myself for his condition thinking that my choice for him to have the jabs caused his autism.

Maybe it's all about timing, and the age when the MMR is due is also the same age that signs of autism start showing themselves ?


Obviously your son already had shown signs of autism, many parents have said there where no signs before the mmr
#21
dimebars
i dont believe that lying to themselves will get them answers either - however it is a natuiral reaction to look for someone or something to blame

sorry - but science wins it for me - and they have proven no link at all


I agree, but it is very confusing with all the different reports that come out. I can understand why some parents are holding back but for me, that was not an option.
banned#22
sassie
I felt that too, although i know alot chose the seperate jabs


My youngest had seperate jabs.

My eldest had the MMR at 18 months. Within an hour of the jab, he became ill. He was speaking at the time of the injection. By 30 months, his vocabularly wasn't even a quarter of what it was at 18 months. He was ill (temperature and sleepless nights) for about a month after the vaccination.

No one is able to tell me what caused his autism (which he is now diagnosed with) or why he had a reaction to the jab within an hour of having it - just that "we've done tests - its quite safe".

I agree with what you are aluding Sassie. MMR doesn't cause autism, but there is something within the vaccine (whether its the virus antibodies or the mercury bonding compound) that triggers it within a very small percentage of people who have it.

The government have gone out of its way to discredit wakefield - but because of what I've seen personally and heard others describe exactly the same as I've stated, I'll always believe the connection exists. Given they can't tell me why he has it, I'll beg to question how they can be so sure MMR wasnt the cause.
banned#23
guv
My youngest had seperate jabs.

My eldest had the MMR at 18 months. Within an hour of the jab, he became ill. He was speaking at the time of the injection. By 30 months, his vocabularly wasn't even a quarter of what it was at 18 months.

No one is able to tell me what caused his autism (which he is now diagnosed with) or why he had a reaction to the jab within an hour of having it - just that "we've done tests - its quite safe".

I agree with what you are aluding Sassie. MMR doesn't cause autism, but there is something within the vaccine (whether its the virus antibodies or the mercury bonding compound) that triggers it within a very small percentage of people who have it.

The government have gone out of its way to discredit wakefield - but because of what I've seen personally and heard others describe exactly the same as I've stated, I'll always believe the connection exists. Given they can't tell me why he has it, I'll beg to question how they can be so sure MMR wasnt the cause.


thank you guv, no i am not saying it causes autism, but im sure somewhere there has to be something
#24
dimebars
correct - misdiagnosis of autism is rife

where i worked we had one kid who was apparently autistic - now it turns out he was just badly behaved


autism is more than just behaviour issues. It can affect movement, speech, vocabulary and a whole range of other things.
banned#25
guv
My youngest had seperate jabs.

My eldest had the MMR at 18 months. Within an hour of the jab, he became ill. He was speaking at the time of the injection. By 30 months, his vocabularly wasn't even a quarter of what it was at 18 months.

No one is able to tell me what caused his autism (which he is now diagnosed with) or why he had a reaction to the jab within an hour of having it - just that "we've done tests - its quite safe".

I agree with what you are aluding Sassie. MMR doesn't cause autism, but there is something within the vaccine (whether its the virus antibodies or the mercury bonding compound) that triggers it within a very small percentage of people who have it.

The government have gone out of its way to discredit wakefield - but because of what I've seen personally and heard others describe exactly the same as I've stated, I'll always believe the connection exists. Given they can't tell me why he has it, I'll beg to question how they can be so sure MMR wasnt the cause.


I'm sorry, but this is just uninformed scaremongering at it's worst.
banned#26
guv
My youngest had seperate jabs.

My eldest had the MMR at 18 months. Within an hour of the jab, he became ill. He was speaking at the time of the injection. By 30 months, his vocabularly wasn't even a quarter of what it was at 18 months. He was ill (temperature and sleepless nights) for about a month after the vaccination.

No one is able to tell me what caused his autism (which he is now diagnosed with) or why he had a reaction to the jab within an hour of having it - just that "we've done tests - its quite safe".

I agree with what you are aluding Sassie. MMR doesn't cause autism, but there is something within the vaccine (whether its the virus antibodies or the mercury bonding compound) that triggers it within a very small percentage of people who have it.

The government have gone out of its way to discredit wakefield - but because of what I've seen personally and heard others describe exactly the same as I've stated, I'll always believe the connection exists. Given they can't tell me why he has it, I'll beg to question how they can be so sure MMR wasnt the cause.


ill with what though? a vaccine by its nature can make you ill as effectively you are injecting the virus to allow your natural antibodies to fight it

AFAIK you dont become ill with autism - although happy to be proven wrong
banned#27
sassie
thank you guv, no i am not saying it causes autism, but im sure somewhere there has to be something


You don't have to believe anything - that is not how scientific study works.

People seem willing to believe but not willing to investigate their beliefs. A desperate search for an answer will lead people to believe almost anything.
banned#28
busymom
I agree, but it is very confusing with all the different reports that come out. I can understand why some parents are holding back but for me, that was not an option.


the only reason parents are holding back is due to scaremongering and poor information
banned#29
FilthAndFurry
A desperate search for an answer will lead people to believe almost anything.


+1
banned#30
guv

The government have gone out of its way to discredit wakefield - but because of what I've seen personally and heard others describe exactly the same as I've stated, I'll always believe the connection exists. Given they can't tell me why he has it, I'll beg to question how they can be so sure MMR wasnt the cause.


Again, this isn't strictly true. You're either misinformed or blatantly lying. I'm inclined to believe the former.

THE doctor who sparked the scare over the safety of the MMR vaccine for children changed and misreported results in his research, creating the appearance of a possible link with autism, a Sunday Times investigation has found

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5683671.ece
#31
dimebars;5853561
the only reason parents are holding back is due to scaremongering and poor information


indeed, :thumbsup:
#32
sassie
Obviously your son already had shown signs of autism, many parents have said there where no signs before the mmr


The only things that could be taken as 'signs' were that from birth, he was behind on all the milestones, like when he was sitting unaided, crawling and speech. But then that can happen to lots of children without autism too. And it was also weird with him was his refusal to let family members hold him as a baby, even his dad, and that was from the day he was born.
#33
guv

I agree with what you are aluding Sassie. MMR doesn't cause autism, but there is something within the vaccine (whether its the virus antibodies or the mercury bonding compound) that triggers it within a very small percentage of people who have it.


I am not an expert in this field but I believe that with every drug there are allowed to be a certain percentage of 'failures'. I believe that drug trials are normally carried out on healthy men (not women in case they are pregnant) but not all that recieve the drug will be in the same category.
banned#34
sassie
thank you guv, no i am not saying it causes autism, but im sure somewhere there has to be something


I can undertand those who have given MMR to their kids and everything was fine, or those suggesting parents just want something or someone to blame. I hear this all the time.

What I never hear, is an explanation of why within an hour of the jab he became ill and didn't come out of it for a month. I supose the answer will be "yeh, it may have made him ill - but they've proved it didnt make him autistic." Which in short is as believable as the claims of the forum trolls earning capacity etc.
banned#35
guv

What I never hear, is an explanation of why within an hour of the jab he became ill and didn't come out of it for a month..


what was he ill with though? as i said before its highly likely that all vaccines can make the recipient ill by the very nature of their contents
banned#36
guv
I can undertand those who have given MMR to their kids and everything was fine, or those suggesting parents just want something or someone to blame. I hear this all the time.

What I never hear, is an explanation of why within an hour of the jab he became ill and didn't come out of it for a month. I supose the answer will be "yeh, it may have made him ill - but they've proved it didnt make him autistic." Which in short is as believable as the claims of the forum trolls earning capacity etc.


So you need explaining why, after having THREE viruses injected into his system, he became ill?

I'm pretty sure this was made obvious to everyone in my class when we had the TB jab administered.
#37
FilthAndFurry
So you need explaining why, after having THREE viruses injected into his system, he became ill?

I'm pretty sure this was made obvious to everyone in my class when we had the TB jab administered.


I bottled out of that one when everyone was talking about the size of the needle. So how many different things are in that one?
banned#38
WoolyM
I bottled out of that one when everyone was talking about the size of the needle. So how many different things are in that one?


I don't know, but the worse side effect was everyone giving each other dead arms for the next few days.
#39
FilthAndFurry
So you need explaining why, after having THREE viruses injected into his system, he became ill?

I'm pretty sure this was made obvious to everyone in my class when we had the TB jab administered.


In fairness though, when you take your kids for their jabs, you're always warned they might be grumpy and have a bit of a temperature afterwards and to give some Calpol, but it doesn't last long. What Guv is saying happened to his son isn't normal by any means. I've never heard of a child being made ill for a month just from side affects of a jab, especially when they were perfectly healthy beforehand.
banned#40
FilthAndFurry
Again, this isn't strictly true. You're either misinformed or blatantly lying. I'm inclined to believe the former.


Yeh righteo.

What exactly have I been misinformed or lying about?

That Wakefield's work wasn't undermined by the government, or that I imagined what I saw happening to my own kid?

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