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Missus scenic has broken down (had the clutch changed last month after good advice from here & garage). Anyway she was driving along a busy a road at 60ish and suddenly the car cuts out and the ca… Read More
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6y, 4m agoPosted 6 years, 4 months ago
Missus scenic has broken down (had the clutch changed last month after good advice from here & garage).
Anyway she was driving along a busy a road at 60ish and suddenly the car cuts out and the car throws the breaks on. She comes to a stop in a hard shoulder. Trys to turn car over but ignition sounds but engine won't start. Cars now outside after being recovered but will be tomorrow before anyone can see it. It's a renault scenic (52)btw
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6y, 4m agoPosted 6 years, 4 months ago
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#1
Get repaired then get rid sharpish
3 Likes #2
boothy
Get repaired then get rid sharpish

It's not worth that much, and it just had a £300 pound clutch fitted last month. Wouldn't wanna see someone with similar problems
1 Like #3
Paddy_o_furniture
boothy
Get repaired then get rid sharpish

It's not worth that much, and it just had a £300 pound clutch fitted last month. Wouldn't wanna see someone with similar problems


Scrapper or sell as faulty for repairs....might not be worth throwing good money after bad
#4
boothy
Paddy_o_furniture
boothy
Get repaired then get rid sharpish

It's not worth that much, and it just had a £300 pound clutch fitted last month. Wouldn't wanna see someone with similar problems


Scrapper or sell as faulty for repairs....might not be worth throwing good money after bad

Thats the way I'm headed, will have to sacrifice my focus to the missus and be a one car family for the time being.
1 Like #5
Surely a car wouldnt automatically apply the brakes like that, could it be the engine locking up?
#6
PilchY
Surely a car wouldnt automatically apply the brakes like that, could it be the engine locking up?

The break pedals are well high up now, and stiff. When it came to being rolled of the recovery wagon it had to be pushed down as it wouldn't roll under it's own weight. It may not be the brakes (I know next to nowt about cars) but it seems that way.
#7
And people question us knowledgeable folks when in car threads, we say don't buy French.

It's a hard decision, especially with what have you have already paid. Do you put some more money towards this one, knowing it is all good, or do you buy another car that may well have problems of it's own.
#8
peodude
And people question us knowledgeable folks when in car threads, we say don't buy French.

It's a hard decision, especially with what have you have already paid. Do you put some more money towards this one, knowing it is all good, or do you buy another car that may well have problems of it's own.

I'll never buy french again, saying that I haven't checked the reverse gear that may still work.
Won't be chucking any great amounts of money at it.
1 Like #9
found this while googling your problem Scenic 1999 | Renault | Car Reviews | Honest John
1 Mar 2010 ... Plastic cover on top of engine cuts the pipe and also cuts the metal lip of the ... Flywheel sensor connection may fail, immobilising car. ... belt (at 60k miles) as water pump failure will throw off the timing belt. ... to enter the brake servo resulting in loss of servo assistance to the brakes. ...honest john website
#10
linw
found this while googling your problem Scenic 1999 | Renault | Car Reviews | Honest John
1 Mar 2010 ... Plastic cover on top of engine cuts the pipe and also cuts the metal lip of the ... Flywheel sensor connection may fail, immobilising car. ... belt (at 60k miles) as water pump failure will throw off the timing belt. ... to enter the brake servo resulting in loss of servo assistance to the brakes. ...honest john website

Thanks, it's like reading ancient Egypitian though. Sounds like that from what I can make out (can you provide me the link?) Thanks

Edited By: Paddy_o_furniture on Feb 16, 2011 19:59
#11
Sounds like a timing belt to me. Not good.

Get car looked at and if the case, scrap it.
#12
moob
Sounds like a timing belt to me. Not good.

Get car looked at and if the case, scrap it.

Ginger Brian said it sounds like that, not worth fixing.
whatsThePoint
If the car no longer turns over sounds like the cam belt has snapped

Sounds like it's got no petrol, when you turn it over.
banned#13
when was the cambelt last changed and how many miles has it done since.
#14
moob
Sounds like a timing belt to me. Not good.

Get car looked at and if the case, scrap it.

SNAP excuse the pun, what OP describes..sounds exactly like what happened me, timing belt went and very hard to get a new engine (chrysler) so had to scrap it in the end.
#15
lumoruk
when was the cambelt last changed and how many miles has it done since.

Done 90k last done at 50k (4 years?)
Bully
moob
Sounds like a timing belt to me. Not good.

Get car looked at and if the case, scrap it.

SNAP excuse the pun, what OP describes..sounds exactly like what happened me, timing belt went and very hard to get a new engine (chrysler) so had to scrap it in the end.

Just looking like it'll be scrapped as I'm refusing to throw any more money at it.
whatsThePoint
she didn't run out of petrol by any chance?
Nah quite gutting as it has a full tank (of petrol)
#16
Just been messing about with it when I went to get the kids stuff out, it'll jump when you leave it in guy and release the clutch. General consensus seems to be a timing belt
#17
If you discover its not worth repairing, then stick an advert out there for it, someone will have it for parts, not a lot of money, but it'll help you a little towards another car.
#18
If it is thee timing belt, then it's pretty much dead. Either a replacement engine or sold as spares/repair. Once you have confirmation from a garage, just throw it on eBay on a 99p starter with no reserve.
#19
moose109
If you discover its not worth repairing, then stick an advert out there for it, someone will have it for parts, not a lot of money, but it'll help you a little towards another car.

peodude
If it is thee timing belt, then it's pretty much dead. Either a replacement engine or sold as spares/repair. Once you have confirmation from a garage, just throw it on eBay on a 99p starter with no reserve.


We buyanycar has quote me £300 not sure whats involved. Will wait and see what happens tomorrow 1st
#20
Paddy_o_furniture
We buyanycar has quote me £300 not sure whats involved. Will wait and see what happens tomorrow 1st


Be aware that you need to be able to get the car to them and even then they will try and knock the price down.
#21
the last megane I repaired with a snapped cam belt, actually the water pump lunched itself, but still bent all 16 valves, cost just over £1k to repair, all 16 valves,engineering charge, water pump, timing belt kit, camshaft sprockets,head set & consumables, labour plus the dreaded vat ,the customer had it repaired as he thought he couldn't get a similar vehicle for the same amount of money he spent on the head job. But get it confirmed first before you make any rash decisions.
#22
moose109
Paddy_o_furniture
We buyanycar has quote me £300 not sure whats involved. Will wait and see what happens tomorrow 1st


Be aware that you need to be able to get the car to them and even then they will try and knock the price down.

Got one 2 miles away, got nowt to lose if it does come to that.
richp
the last megane I repaired with a snapped cam belt, actually the water pump lunched itself, but still bent all 16 valves, cost just over £1k to repair, all 16 valves,engineering charge, water pump, timing belt kit, camshaft sprockets,head set & consumables, labour plus the dreaded vat ,the customer had it repaired as he thought he couldn't get a similar vehicle for the same amount of money he spent on the head job. But get it confirmed first before you make any rash decisions.

Will get it confirmed but expecting the worst. More gutted about my 50 quids worth a fuel in the tank
1 Like #23
Paddy_o_furniture
More gutted about my 50 quids worth a fuel in the tank


That's fairly easily drained out with the right tools, ask the local **** :p
suspended 1 Like #24
i had a scenic, pulling out of my drive 1 day heard a noise like coggs catching (not slotting in properly) next time it happened my steering had completely gone, couldnt steer the car at all. scared the hell out of me!!!!! had it repaired then 2 weeks later same again. got rid the day after and would defo not recommend to anyone. get rid ASAP!
my partner has done CBT test and got a 125cc bike milage you get out of em is great. Might be worth a thought if you had to have just 1 car!
#25
Im not sure how a lot of you can say its a timing belt failure from the information above..

One thing to think about is the brake servo, if the pedal is at the top.

The OP states that the car will jump if you leave it in gear..... How many engines do you know of which will do this with a snapped timing belt or if its slipped a few teeth ?

Before doing anything, get it checked out..

Lets us know how you get on..

PS.. where about's in the UK are you ?
1 Like #26
RickT
Im not sure how a lot of you can say its a timing belt failure from the information above..

One thing to think about is the brake servo, if the pedal is at the top.

The OP states that the car will jump if you leave it in gear..... How many engines do you know of which will do this with a snapped timing belt or if its slipped a few teeth ?

Before doing anything, get it checked out..

Lets us know how you get on..

PS.. where about's in the UK are you ?

Pedal sits really high and is very stiff (brake pedal). I'm in Newcastle. Off to bed now, thanks for all the advice will rep/like you all in morning
#27
A brake master cylinder leaking into the servo could cause the brakes to lock up resulting in high brake pedal. Could cause engine to cut out if brake fluid has been sucked into the engine but would give off plumes of white exhaust fumes. Remove servo pipe & check inside servo for signs of brake fluid ingress.
banned#28
webuyanycar will offer you about £200 when you get there (if you're lucky) then try to charge you an admin fee, you'll be lucky to walk away with £100/150 - thats after its been repaired cos they won't touch it like it is now :(
banned#29
Can't help but good luck with it all .
1 Like #30
It's knackerd timing belt has gone as people suggested. Engine may be damaged (due to going 70mPh when belt went) will need re-skimmed???? Not worth the hassle, may take the wheels of it and use it as a shed.
2 Likes #31
Have a look at Item number: 280628635733 on eBay. 2002 Scenic with broken timing belt currently at £410 on auction ending tomorrow.

Also search "scenic repairs" for other cars. It's an expensive shed.
#32
Paddy_o_furniture
It's knackerd timing belt has gone as people suggested. Engine may be damaged (due to going 70mPh when belt went) will need re-skimmed???? Not worth the hassle, may take the wheels of it and use it as a shed.


because you will have valve damage, the head will need to be removed & to do a proper job as the head is aluminum, whilst the valves are being replaced, they will skim the cylinder head to get a flat mating surface between cylinder head & engine block.I've not had one that has caused piston crown damage, the valves normally just "kiss" the top of the pistons, You've probably lost confidence in it now, but you maybe able to get a reconditioned cylinder head, a cheaper option perhaps then getting your's overhauled.
#33
richp
Paddy_o_furniture
It's knackerd timing belt has gone as people suggested. Engine may be damaged (due to going 70mPh when belt went) will need re-skimmed???? Not worth the hassle, may take the wheels of it and use it as a shed.


because you will have valve damage, the head will need to be removed & to do a proper job as the head is aluminum, whilst the valves are being replaced, they will skim the cylinder head to get a flat mating surface between cylinder head & engine block.I've not had one that has caused piston crown damage, the valves normally just "kiss" the top of the pistons, You've probably lost confidence in it now, but you maybe able to get a reconditioned cylinder head, a cheaper option perhaps then getting your's overhauled.

Lost interest in the thing now, missus has too.
#34
Just have to decide what to do with the thing
#35
Paddy_o_furniture
richp
Paddy_o_furniture
It's knackerd timing belt has gone as people suggested. Engine may be damaged (due to going 70mPh when belt went) will need re-skimmed???? Not worth the hassle, may take the wheels of it and use it as a shed.


because you will have valve damage, the head will need to be removed & to do a proper job as the head is aluminum, whilst the valves are being replaced, they will skim the cylinder head to get a flat mating surface between cylinder head & engine block.I've not had one that has caused piston crown damage, the valves normally just "kiss" the top of the pistons, You've probably lost confidence in it now, but you maybe able to get a reconditioned cylinder head, a cheaper option perhaps then getting your's overhauled.

Lost interest in the thing now, missus has too.


yeah I can understand that, try selling it as spares or repairs, its a pretty easy job to do (it's easy for me to say that as I know what I'm doing) but it'll probably make cheap project car for someone.
#36
richp
Paddy_o_furniture
richp
Paddy_o_furniture
It's knackerd timing belt has gone as people suggested. Engine may be damaged (due to going 70mPh when belt went) will need re-skimmed???? Not worth the hassle, may take the wheels of it and use it as a shed.


because you will have valve damage, the head will need to be removed & to do a proper job as the head is aluminum, whilst the valves are being replaced, they will skim the cylinder head to get a flat mating surface between cylinder head & engine block.I've not had one that has caused piston crown damage, the valves normally just "kiss" the top of the pistons, You've probably lost confidence in it now, but you maybe able to get a reconditioned cylinder head, a cheaper option perhaps then getting your's overhauled.

Lost interest in the thing now, missus has too.


yeah I can understand that, try selling it as spares or repairs, its a pretty easy job to do (it's easy for me to say that as I know what I'm doing) but it'll probably make cheap project car for someone.


My brothers a mechanic and he wouldnt touch a renault, mainly because they're french and the design makes it really hard to fix anything. Girlfriend had a 57 plate clio that had electrical faults, hazard lights would flash in the night then drain the battery. anywho, a bit unrelated but ebay will be your best bet and hopefully someone can collect

Now has a 60 plate toyota yaris, and loves it! :)
#37
golemsmate
richp
Paddy_o_furniture
richp
Paddy_o_furniture
It's knackerd timing belt has gone as people suggested. Engine may be damaged (due to going 70mPh when belt went) will need re-skimmed???? Not worth the hassle, may take the wheels of it and use it as a shed.


because you will have valve damage, the head will need to be removed & to do a proper job as the head is aluminum, whilst the valves are being replaced, they will skim the cylinder head to get a flat mating surface between cylinder head & engine block.I've not had one that has caused piston crown damage, the valves normally just "kiss" the top of the pistons, You've probably lost confidence in it now, but you maybe able to get a reconditioned cylinder head, a cheaper option perhaps then getting your's overhauled.

Lost interest in the thing now, missus has too.


yeah I can understand that, try selling it as spares or repairs, its a pretty easy job to do (it's easy for me to say that as I know what I'm doing) but it'll probably make cheap project car for someone.


My brothers a mechanic and he wouldnt touch a renault, mainly because they're french and the design makes it really hard to fix anything. Girlfriend had a 57 plate clio that had electrical faults, hazard lights would flash in the night then drain the battery. anywho, a bit unrelated but ebay will be your best bet and hopefully someone can collect

Now has a 60 plate toyota yaris, and loves it! :)


I feel his pain !
banned#38
Paddy_o_furniture
It's knackerd timing belt has gone as people suggested. Engine may be damaged (due to going 70mPh when belt went) will need re-skimmed???? Not worth the hassle, may take the wheels of it and use it as a shed.

Make it into a chicken coop x x
#39
how can people just run cars into the ground........timing belt should be high on peoples priorities to check

paddy you arent telling me you are not able to save the fuel in the car........hosepipe - container!

id stick it on ebay as not running and get someone to collect it and possibly pay for the privilege of doing so

Edited By: casparwhite on Feb 18, 2011 01:32
#40
casparwhite
how can people just run cars into the ground........timing belt should be high on peoples priorities to check

paddy you arent telling me you are not able to save the fuel in the car........hosepipe - container!

id stick it on ebay as not running and get someone to collect it and possibly pay for the privilege of doing so

The wifes car, hers and mine and ran as separate entity's. Funny how my car seems to have less problems.
Will get the fuel out soon, googled how to do it. Been offered £200 notes collected for the car by a friend of a friend.

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