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chrishill Avatar
8y, 1w agoPosted 8 years, 1 week ago
I've had a look about on google and can't find an answer to this specific question, so here goes.

I'm not ashamed to admit I've been testing out a bit of bangernomics over the last 12 months after an unfortunate incident with a dry stone wall and a car with rear-wheel drive *cough* ANYWAY...

The car I have at the moment is due for its MOT and Tax next month, I want to get ahead and do the MOT early so I've time to fix it and re-MOT before I need to tax it.

If I get it MOT'd again before the current MOT expires and it fails, does that new MOT supersede the old one and mean, effectively, I have no MOT or is the old one valid until it expires?
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8y, 1w agoPosted 8 years, 1 week ago
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#1
it depends on how long your current one has left to run as i remember if its 1 month left then you get to keep the month, but longer and the newone superceeds it. BUT if it fails then its got no MOT as it has been classed unfit for purpose!!
#2
Interesting question. I would say the old one is valid.
#3
Your current MOT is valid and covers the car until either the expiry date passes or a new MOT Pass certificate is issued, in which case the new pass cert will supercede the old one. :)
#4
If your car fails its MOT then you will be driving an unroadworthy car.

If you get stopped by the police you'll get done for the above, not for having no MOT.
#5
you may have a valid MOT but if you car is not road worth you can still be prosicuted
#6
the new mot will be yr current mot, so u would not be covered if it fails, even if you still have time left on yr old mot
#7
StevenA2000_uk;3985484
Your current MOT is valid and covers the car until either the expiry date passes or a new MOT Pass certificate is issued, in which case the new pass cert will supercede the old one. :)


But if it fails the new MOT a new MOT certificate wouldn't be issued.
#8
With the new(ish) electronic system, as long as you don't take it for the MoT more than a month early, the system will pick up the fact that it still has some MoT left to run and date it accordingly (as example, my MoT runs out 9th Jan, but I took it on Dec 22nd and it passed (yay!) and the MoT cert was automatically dated to expire jan 9th 2010).
#9
StevenA2000_uk;3985484
Your current MOT is valid and covers the car until either the expiry date passes or a new MOT Pass certificate is issued, in which case the new pass cert will supercede the old one. :)


Thats kind of what I thought, and is good news...

adambaz;3985498
If your car fails its MOT then you will be driving an unroadworthy car.

If you get stopped by the police you'll get done for the above, not for having no MOT.


yeah, if it fails it'll not be going further than a garage or a motorfactors to buy parts, I just want to get ahead so I'm not facing a 'fail' a week or so before the tax is due :)
#10
donnydude
But if it fails the new MOT a new MOT certificate wouldn't be issued.


if it fails it comes up on pnc as no MOT!!
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chrishill
Thats kind of what I thought, and is good news...



yeah, if it fails it'll not be going further than a garage or a motorfactors to buy parts, I just want to get ahead so I'm not facing a 'fail' a week or so before the tax is due :)


if it fails your not allowed to drive it to get parts!! only home and a keen eyed officer will note the detour!!
#12
foxymissroxy;3985597
if it fails it comes up on pnc as no MOT!!


sounds like you know what you're talking about there... Pc Foxy?

So, if it has a month left to run and passes, I get 12 months MOT + the 1 month remaining. If it fails... I'm fecked.
#13
akbmcf1
With the new(ish) electronic system, as long as you don't take it for the MoT more than a month early, the system will pick up the fact that it still has some MoT left to run and date it accordingly (as example, my MoT runs out 9th Jan, but I took it on Dec 22nd and it passed (yay!) and the MoT cert was automatically dated to expire jan 9th 2010).

mine passed too and i was worried as i couldn't find last years mot slip x x
#14
foxymissroxy
if it fails it comes up on pnc as no MOT!!


Then what happens when he takes the old cert in that shows it still has an MOT?
#15
Shengis
Then what happens when he takes the old cert in that shows it still has an MOT?


He will have a failure cert!! and this is the very reason they are kept on a central database!! it will flash up as a fail and they will have a referance number and then the MOT cert will have a different number with VOSA

and the MOT is only any use for bout 5 mins after you leave the garage any copper can stop you and deem your car unfit and you are then required to get a new test!! not worth the £40 odd paper theyre printed on!!

im not a Copper!! just been caught out with this one myself!! :x
#16
foxymissroxy
He will have a failure cert!! and this is the very reason they are kept on a central database!! it will flash up as a fail and they will have a referance number and then the MOT cert will have a different number with VOSA

and the MOT is only any use for bout 5 mins after you leave the garage any copper can stop you and deem your car unfit and you are then required to get a new test!! not worth the £40 odd paper theyre printed on!!

im not a Copper!! just been caught out with this one myself!! :x


So in essence you're saying if I hated somebody I could buy a car of the same colour and model as theirs, get some plates off the net and deliberately get a fail cert to screw them up. Interesting :lol:
#17
Shengis
So in essence you're saying if I hated somebody I could buy a car of the same colour and model as theirs, get some plates off the net and deliberately get a fail cert to screw them up. Interesting :lol:


urrr if you hated em that much i guess so :o lol
#18
Shengis;3985917
So in essence you're saying if I hated somebody I could buy a car of the same colour and model as theirs, get some plates off the net and deliberately get a fail cert to screw them up. Interesting :lol:


You'd have to clone the chassis number too I would expect?
#19
Well you could always deny that you took it for the failed test and it was a computer error ;-)
#20
chrishill
You'd have to clone the chassis number too I would expect?


Not difficult to do though is it?
#21
foxymissroxy;3985879
He will have a failure cert!! and this is the very reason they are kept on a central database!! it will flash up as a fail and they will have a referance number and then the MOT cert will have a different number with VOSA

and the MOT is only any use for bout 5 mins after you leave the garage any copper can stop you and deem your car unfit and you are then required to get a new test!! not worth the £40 odd paper theyre printed on!!

im not a Copper!! just been caught out with this one myself!! :x


Yeah I knew they're pretty much a waste of time, they're supposed to certify the car is, when inspected, likely to be roadworthy for the next 12 months. The 'when inspected' but is the get-out clause.
#22
Shengis;3985983
Not difficult to do though is it?


if you can cut out the stamp from the original car and weld it in place on the 'fake' car in such a way that the MOT inspector wouldn't notice, then no, not too hard...
#23
chrishill
if you can cut out the stamp from the original car and weld it in place on the 'fake' car in such a way that the MOT inspector wouldn't notice, then no, not too hard...


Your car is old then like mine then? They now use pop riveted plates on the dashboard. Fwiw though mot testers look at the VIN plate under the bonnet for the number, not the one on the floor pan. It's normally only the police that do that check if they believe the cars a ringer:thumbsup:
#24
Shengis;3986090
Your car is old then like mine then? They now use pop riveted plates on the dashboard. Fwiw though mot testers look at the VIN plate under the bonnet for the number, not the one on the floor pan. It's normally only the police that do that check if they believe the cars a ringer:thumbsup:


Its actually both the newest and cheapest car I've owned for about 10 years, which sounds odd I know! apologies for the slightly sarcastic tone before, you clearly know what you're on about :thumbsup:
#25
i think some of the advice here is wrong - if you put a car in for an MOT and if fails on something serious there's a bit on the fail sheet that the examiner says that the car is not road worthy but other than that you are free to drive the car (and get it repaired) until your old cert expires. It would be completely unreasonable to not be able to drive a car away from a test station once it has failed and many test stations don't do repairs anyway!!

The police will only send you for an MOT test if the car has an obvious infraction - eg stupid spaced/fonted number plate, heavy tints etc etc....basically they'll pick on the boy racer type stuff :-D
#26
Thanks mate was just gonna post that, its only if it is deemed unsafe you will have no valid mot, the other one does run until its expiry and the central database doesn't override the dates of the valid mot.............(used to be called a 'red' ticket) still the same thing issued and cannot be driven away as unsafe.
p.s. An mot only guarantees the car roadworthy on the day of test, although only required once a year, cannot guarantee roadworthyness for the whole time. Thats why they note wear etc.
#27
chrishill
Its actually both the newest and cheapest car I've owned for about 10 years, which sounds odd I know! apologies for the slightly sarcastic tone before, you clearly know what you're on about :thumbsup:


What car is it btw and why do you think it'll fail? The MOT isn't really that strict tbh.
#28
Shengis;3986741
What car is it btw and why do you think it'll fail? The MOT isn't really that strict tbh.


its a Rover 416, S plate (same shape as the 45's) and I'm just ultra paranoid about it failing!

I had an older BMW previously (victim of the wall incident) which seemed solid as a rock but caused me no end of problems when it turned out the previous owner had replaced the exhaust with one from a completely different BMW which sent the emissions off the scale.

Obviously with it being a BMW system it looked right and it was in good order, so it was discounted as 'not a problem'. Several hundred pounds of unnecessary spark plugs, leads, oxygen sensors and investigation work and someone finally spotted the problem. Meantime I had to declare the car SORN as it wasn't fixed in time for the Tax renewal. I want to avoid anything like that again.
#29
the bubble 400's are pretty reliable as they are heavily honda based - you'll be fine :-D

By the way, National are doing cheap MOT's at the mo i think?
#30
why not take it for a pre MOT, most garages will check to make sure it would pass.

also to not have a valid MOT, i think (only thinking) invalidates yr insurance, for road use.
#31
Summary :)

If you have a car MOT'd and it fails you have to get it repaired and cannot use the car other than to drive between MOT Station and garage - regardless of whether it has a valid previous MOT (each test invalidates the previous one).

If it passes, you can forward-date an MOT by upto a month.

No MOT won't invalidate insurance for your car (off road of course) so long as it's stored somewhere your insurance covers it (e.g. your garage) - if in doubt, check with your insurer tho.

You can, of course, have a car pre-MOTed and find out what the issues are without invalidating the current MOT - this will usually cost money tho, so I'm struggling to work out why you'd do it...

S Reg Rover - shouldn't have any disasters in the chassis dept or with rust. The main issues are likely to be brakes, shocks, exhaust/catalyst/emissions and/or petty rubbish like tyres, faulty lights or doorlocks/seat releases/seatbelts - e.g. normal wear and tear items but they can add-up...

I'd just throw it in somewhere with your fingers crossed and see what happens :)

Best of luck!

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