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MP's expenses - should they be charged with "benefit fraud"?

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Well, its a benefit which is being extorted, should the same criminal procedure apply? Read More
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8y, 1m agoPosted 8 years, 1 month ago
Well, its a benefit which is being extorted, should the same criminal procedure apply?
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8y, 1m agoPosted 8 years, 1 month ago
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[Moderator]#1
The guy who claimed 13k for a mortgage that was already paid... that has to be fraud
#2
bigflump
The guy who claimed 13k for a mortgage that was already paid... that has to be fraud


i was completely shocked at that,.,,, thats just clean theft
#3
This has caused such a stir - and all of them are guilty - id you want to call it that - of the same thing - which is following their own rules!

I know some have made bigger balls ups than others but it is their own Rules that need changing!

And YES they should be investigated - but it is going to be very difficult though..... There is probably another rule about exemption from Prosecution that we don't know about.....

Not a very nice time for politicians at the moment - makes my FUR STAND ON END AND ME HISSSSSSS!

xxxx
#4
but they are MP's

different rules, not like us common folks
#5
I have said for a while that they should just have like a huge youth hostel, all they need is a bed, somwhere to shower and change, and a comunual canteen when they are in London, no need for a 2nd home.
#6
bigflump;5235332
The guy who claimed 13k for a mortgage that was already paid... that has to be fraud

Apparently it was a 'mistake'

PMSL!
#7
Yep, I think they should be charged with fraud... benefit or otherwise.... they got caught, it is the risk you take!
banned#8
Who cares?

"Ooooooh he claimed for manure! I am so angry! ARGH! Let's have an investigation into it that will cost hundreds of thousands of pounds! How dare she claim for a TV! Let's have another investigation"

Bored.
[Moderator]#9
addyliver;5235346
i was completely shocked at that,.,,, thats just clean theft

ok the system was flawed and most of MPs wil blame the system, but that one is out and out fraud
#10
bigflump
The guy who claimed 13k for a mortgage that was already paid... that has to be fraud


addyliver
i was completely shocked at that,.,,, thats just clean theft


This is the thing - caught - red handed, they offer to pay it back and that seems to be fine?

Nah, if you extort our benefit system, you pay it back and there are consequences - if you rob a bank and get caught up with, there are repercussions . . . .
#11
If 'we' accidently made a mistake filling in an official form we could be prosecuted so why can't or shouldn't our Honourable Members of Parliament?
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DanJackson
Who cares?

"Ooooooh he claimed for manure! I am so angry! ARGH! Let's have an investigation into it that will cost hundreds of thousands of pounds! How dare she claim for a TV! Let's have another investigation"

Bored.


Lol... erm, the people who are getting taxed on their earnings... losing their jobs and houses... and paying for these expenses??? :thinking:
#13
the most shocking one i heard was ont radio, some mp had put in a claim for a £2500 tv, but got declined, and he didn't think he had done anything wrong because it didn't get granted...

He just could see what he had done wrong.... Attempted theft?
#14
Putting them all through the court system will just take more money. Make them have to pay back twice what they claimed. That'll do it for me x x
#15
DanJackson
Who cares?

"Ooooooh he claimed for manure! I am so angry! ARGH! Let's have an investigation into it that will cost hundreds of thousands of pounds! How dare she claim for a TV! Let's have another investigation"

Bored.


Its a discussion to gauge opinion, in the grand scheme of things, I agree, there are much more important issues, however conducting a poll of opinion on HUKD doesn't cost a penny - so my research is saving the country thousands by proxy :-D
#16
DanJackson
Who cares?

"Ooooooh he claimed for manure! I am so angry! ARGH! Let's have an investigation into it that will cost hundreds of thousands of pounds! How dare she claim for a TV! Let's have another investigation"

Bored.


o wow dan your so cool.... man wish i could hang with a laid back guy like you :?
#17
troll alert!

DanJackson;5235367
Who cares?

"Ooooooh he claimed for manure! I am so angry! ARGH! Let's have an investigation into it that will cost hundreds of thousands of pounds! How dare she claim for a TV! Let's have another investigation"

Bored.



sure, who cares....
lets just bend over and take it danjackson style
#18
addyliver
the most shocking one i heard was ont radio, some mp had put in a claim for a £2500 tv, but got declined, and he didn't think he had done anything wrong because it didn't get granted...

He just could see what he had done wrong.... Attempted theft?


There was an MP in the North West who tried - and failed to squeeze a £9k Bang and Olufsen plasma through - the boy had taste, i'll give him that . . .
#19
mbgringo
There was an MP in the North West who tried - and failed to squeeze a £9k Bang and Olufsen plasma through - the boy had taste, i'll give him that . . .


who was that?
#20
ClarityofMind
Putting them all through the court system will just take more money. Make them have to pay back twice what they claimed. That'll do it for me x x


Yey... that works for me too!!! :thumbsup:

XXX
banned#21
Sack them and jail time....only option!
banned#22
Can't think of any other employer that would let you fiddle your expenses and pay back when caught. I'd expect 99.9% of employees would face summary dismissal and possibly court proceedings - especially if the fiddle was tax related.

These people are supposed to be trustworthy.
#23
Kitten13
who was that?


Not sure, was on the NW tonight programme this evening, had a story on the Bury MP who's been suspended then ran through a couple more from the region, that was one of em . . .
#24
guv
Can't think of any other employer that would let you fiddle your expenses and pay back when caught. I'd expect 99.9% of employees would face summary dismissal and possibly court proceedings - especially if the fiddle was tax related.

These people are supposed to be trustworthy.


a trustworthy politician... isnt that an oxymoron? lol
[Moderator]#25
And they claim its only recently events that have stopped people trusting politicians? :w00t:
banned#26
addyliver
the most shocking one i heard was ont radio, some mp had put in a claim for a £2500 tv, but got declined, and he didn't think he had done anything wrong because it didn't get granted...

He just could see what he had done wrong.... Attempted theft?


Is there such a thing as attempted theft? Even if it had been approved it wouldn't have been theft.
banned#27
ClarityofMind
a trustworthy politician... isnt that an oxymoron? lol



As it stands..... but it shouldn't be. In my job, I could put in claims for expenses very easily and make a couple of hundred quid extra per month. I don't because I know it would be wrong. These people don't need the extra money they are effectively stealing...... but it doesn't stop them. Sack the lot of 'em and it will send a message that its not acceptable.
banned#28
FilthAndFurry
Is there such a thing as attempted theft?


Is that a serious question?
#29
guv
As it stands..... but it shouldn't be. In my job, I could put in claims for expenses very easily and make a couple of hundred quid extra per month. I don't because I know it would be wrong. These people don't need the extra money they are effectively stealing...... but it doesn't stop them. Sack the lot of 'em and it will send a message that its not acceptable.


works for me. :thumbsup:
banned#30
guv
As it stands..... but it shouldn't be. In my job, I could put in claims for expenses very easily and make a couple of hundred quid extra per month. I don't because I know it would be wrong. These people don't need the extra money they are effectively stealing...... but it doesn't stop them. Sack the lot of 'em and it will send a message that its not acceptable.


But weren't you in another thread talking about watching premier league football from a foreign country and downloading movies?

I mean, most of the MPs have actually followed the rules in the green book. There's a sort of moral equivalency there.

I'm all for a bandwagon and Brand and Ross are quiet so this is as good as any, but I don't think it's all as simple as the media or the politicians are making out.

Apologies for not calling for someone to be lynched - I'll get my pitchfork:oops:
banned#31
FilthAndFurry
But weren't you in another thread talking about watching premier league football from a foreign country and downloading movies?

I mean, most of the MPs have actually followed the rules in the green book. There's a sort of moral equivalency there.

I'm all for a bandwagon and Brand and Ross are quiet so this is as good as any, but I don't think it's all as simple as the media or the politicians are making out.

Apologies for not calling for someone to be lynched - I'll get my pitchfork:oops:


I saw this picture online today. For some reason I thought of you.

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5517/fandf.jpg
banned#32
guv
it will send a message that its not acceptable.


Accept it has been accepted for about 20 years now as what MPs do.

The simple answer would've been to give them a pay raise and manage local accommodation better.

I also thought attempted theft sounded incorrect for some reason. Might just be my ears.

EDIT - nice picture too. Some people might actually not notice you ignoring some valid points.
#33
FilthAndFurry
Accept it has been accepted for about 20 years now as what MPs do.

The simple answer would've been to give them a pay raise and manage local accommodation better.

I also thought attempted theft sounded incorrect for some reason. Might just be my ears.


why on earth do they deserve more money? They are fecking it up as it is!!:x
banned#34
phatboy123
but they are MP's

different rules, not like us common folks


You're actually kinda right. The circumstances are different.
#35
I'm off to bed, its very late.

Hope everyone is having a lovely weekend.

No cat fighting now! :)

Gnight x x
banned#36
addyliver
why on earth do they deserve more money? They are fecking it up as it is!!:x


A number of reasons, chief amongst which is to stop this happening.

They've long not wanted to appear greedy by voting to increase their wage, so this allowances system was seen as a 'top-up' that would sneak under the public's radar. It's just happened to blow up rather spectacularly in their faces.
banned#37
FilthAndFurry
Accept it has been accepted for about 20 years now as what MPs do.


Why would anyone need to accept it?

The simple answer would've been to give them a pay raise and manage local accommodation better.


No. The solution is not to fiddle expenses. Anyone else doing it would be sacked and rightly so. To see someone suggest they get a pay rise to avoid fiddleing is laughable.


EDIT - nice picture too. Some people might actually not notice you ignoring some valid points.


Not really. I'm not an MP so has zero to do with anything.
banned#38
guv


No. The solution is not to fiddle expenses. Anyone else doing it would be sacked and rightly so. To see someone suggest they get a pay rise to avoid fiddleing is laughable.

Not really. I'm not an MP so has zero to do with anything.


Except (which is what I actually meant to type instead of 'accept') you have to look at the reality of the situation.

If you want to look at the rules, many of the expenses were signed off as being fine. It's just now that they're embarrassing that they're 'wrong'.

I've also explained the view of expenses in relation to their wage.
#39
yes they should
#40
There's always privatisation......

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