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Murderer gets 10 days for every death he caused

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38303694 Migrant disaster: 'Skipper' guilty over 700 Mediterranean deaths and only gets 18 years (hoping 18 years means 18 years and not like the UK where it … Read More
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7m, 1w agoPosted 7 months, 1 week ago
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38303694

Migrant disaster: 'Skipper' guilty over 700 Mediterranean deaths and only gets 18 years (hoping 18 years means 18 years and not like the UK where it means 9 years give or take)

So you skipper a boat, you overload it to increase your profit but you are not liable for the risks when skippering - this planet is screwed
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7m, 1w agoPosted 7 months, 1 week ago
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4 Likes #2
I do not agree with the sentencing or that this should have even happened in the first place, but that's not murder. He might be a killer but he's not a murderer.
2 Likes #3
xfaxfa
I do not agree with the sentencing or that this should have even happened in the first place, but that's not murder. He might be a killer but he's not a murderer.

I agree, manslaughter but not murder.
1 Like #4
Murder requires intent to kill. He obviously didn't intend to kill them just increase his profits. He killed through negligence to abide. Y the rules etc hence manslaughter.
2 Likes #5
http://i.imgur.com/MokMKf8.jpg

Wait... what? oO

http://i.imgur.com/iVa31hd.jpg
#6
I do not condone his actions at all. However surely the mental torture of 700 deaths will be far worse than any 18 years in prison. That will be with him for life and will be a form of prison in itself.
banned#7
jakeyboy4398
I do not condone his actions at all. However surely the mental torture of 700 deaths will be far worse than any 18 years in prison. That will be with him for life and will be a form of prison in itself.

Depends if he has a conscience or not. Probably not though due to the serious overloading. The captain jumped first & got himself saved before the 700.
#8
So you skipper a boat which has a capacity and you know that if you go over the capacity that you may put the passengers in further danger and that's not intent?
But there's being over capacity and being f....ing crazy and this killer skippering a 27ft boat with almost 800 people on board... and he didn't do it with intent?

Let us not judge him on that then so he's struggling with the capacity and he sends out a distress call his actions after the distress call caused more loss of life but his actions were intentional

He's a murderer - he went with intention to get as much illegal money as he could knowing there was a risk. You can be your SJW / PC brigade as much as you want to me it's murder
1 Like #9
Surely everyone on the boat knew what they were getting themselves into and believed that it was a good risk to take?
#10
Rid1
Surely everyone on the boat knew what they were getting themselves into and believed that it was a good risk to take?
Correct but if it's a car driver who has overloaded his car the driver is responsible
If it's a plane the pilot is responsible
So why not the skipper
1 Like #11
Rid1
Surely everyone on the boat knew what they were getting themselves into and believed that it was a good risk to take?
Let's hope it sends out a warning to others and they stop trying to make the crossing.
2 Likes #12
philphil61
So you skipper a boat which has a capacity and you know that if you go over the capacity that you may put the passengers in further danger and that's not intent?
But there's being over capacity and being f....ing crazy and this killer skippering a 27ft boat with almost 800 people on board... and he didn't do it with intent?
Let us not judge him on that then so he's struggling with the capacity and he sends out a distress call his actions after the distress call caused more loss of life but his actions were intentional
He's a murderer - he went with intention to get as much illegal money as he could knowing there was a risk. You can be your SJW / PC brigade as much as you want to me it's murder
He's not a murderer. He did not wake up in the morning and think by dinner tonight he would have killed 700 people! He had no intention of killing them. He was just greedy and stupidly negligent. That does not in any way, shape or form make someone a murderer.
#13
philphil61
Rid1
Surely everyone on the boat knew what they were getting themselves into and believed that it was a good risk to take?
Correct but if it's a car driver who has overloaded his car the driver is responsible
If it's a plane the pilot is responsible
So why not the skipper
The skipper was responsible, hence why he has just been sentenced!
banned#14
xfaxfa
philphil61
So you skipper a boat which has a capacity and you know that if you go over the capacity that you may put the passengers in further danger and that's not intent?
But there's being over capacity and being f....ing crazy and this killer skippering a 27ft boat with almost 800 people on board... and he didn't do it with intent?
Let us not judge him on that then so he's struggling with the capacity and he sends out a distress call his actions after the distress call caused more loss of life but his actions were intentional
He's a murderer - he went with intention to get as much illegal money as he could knowing there was a risk. You can be your SJW / PC brigade as much as you want to me it's murder
He's not a murderer. He did not wake up in the morning and think by dinner tonight he would have killed 700 people! He had no intention of killing them. He was just greedy and stupidly negligent. That does not in any way, shape or form make someone a murderer.

It does mean he is a murderer if he knew that the boat was overloaded & there was a good possibility of a disaster.

That is murder not manslaughter.
1 Like #15
YouDontWantToKnow
xfaxfa
philphil61
So you skipper a boat which has a capacity and you know that if you go over the capacity that you may put the passengers in further danger and that's not intent?
But there's being over capacity and being f....ing crazy and this killer skippering a 27ft boat with almost 800 people on board... and he didn't do it with intent?
Let us not judge him on that then so he's struggling with the capacity and he sends out a distress call his actions after the distress call caused more loss of life but his actions were intentional
He's a murderer - he went with intention to get as much illegal money as he could knowing there was a risk. You can be your SJW / PC brigade as much as you want to me it's murder
He's not a murderer. He did not wake up in the morning and think by dinner tonight he would have killed 700 people! He had no intention of killing them. He was just greedy and stupidly negligent. That does not in any way, shape or form make someone a murderer.
It does mean he is a murderer if he knew that the boat was overloaded & there was a good possibility of a disaster.
That is murder not manslaughter.
So we should prosecute drink drivers with attempted murder? Or people that cause death by drink driving with murder? Go look up the definition of murder. This case is gross negligence. He didn't plan for these people to die, therefore NOT murder!
#16
philphil61
Rid1
Surely everyone on the boat knew what they were getting themselves into and believed that it was a good risk to take?
Correct but if it's a car driver who has overloaded his car the driver is responsible
If it's a plane the pilot is responsible
So why not the skipper
Can't argue with that, I retract my previous statement.
#17
YouDontWantToKnow
xfaxfa
philphil61
So you skipper a boat which has a capacity and you know that if you go over the capacity that you may put the passengers in further danger and that's not intent?
But there's being over capacity and being f....ing crazy and this killer skippering a 27ft boat with almost 800 people on board... and he didn't do it with intent?
Let us not judge him on that then so he's struggling with the capacity and he sends out a distress call his actions after the distress call caused more loss of life but his actions were intentional
He's a murderer - he went with intention to get as much illegal money as he could knowing there was a risk. You can be your SJW / PC brigade as much as you want to me it's murder
He's not a murderer. He did not wake up in the morning and think by dinner tonight he would have killed 700 people! He had no intention of killing them. He was just greedy and stupidly negligent. That does not in any way, shape or form make someone a murderer.
It does mean he is a murderer if he knew that the boat was overloaded & there was a good possibility of a disaster.

That is murder not manslaughter.
Save you a job:

Gross negligence manslaughter
a) the existence of a duty of care to the deceased;
b) a breach of that duty of care which;
c) causes (or significantly contributes) to the death of the victim; and
d) the breach should be characterised as gross negligence, and therefore a crime.
#18
xfaxfa
philphil61
So you skipper a boat which has a capacity and you know that if you go over the capacity that you may put the passengers in further danger and that's not intent?
But there's being over capacity and being f....ing crazy and this killer skippering a 27ft boat with almost 800 people on board... and he didn't do it with intent?
Let us not judge him on that then so he's struggling with the capacity and he sends out a distress call his actions after the distress call caused more loss of life but his actions were intentional
He's a murderer - he went with intention to get as much illegal money as he could knowing there was a risk. You can be your SJW / PC brigade as much as you want to me it's murder
He's not a murderer. He did not wake up in the morning and think by dinner tonight he would have killed 700 people! He had no intention of killing them. He was just greedy and stupidly negligent. That does not in any way, shape or form make someone a murderer.
I would assume that many murderers didn't wake up that morning - some are planned yes but some are not
The skipper had a responsibility - there are safety guidelines and he chose to ignore them and knowing this he intentionally but lives at risk

But even if he isn't in your opinion a murderer are you saying 18 years will be enough and will deter other "skippers" of doing similar

10 days for each life lost - if he is just a killer he'd get 10 years just for 1 life and no it's impossible to give him 7000 years but 10 days for each life - he should be imprisoned for life without the chance of parole
#19
YouDontWantToKnow
xfaxfa
philphil61
So you skipper a boat which has a capacity and you know that if you go over the capacity that you may put the passengers in further danger and that's not intent?
But there's being over capacity and being f....ing crazy and this killer skippering a 27ft boat with almost 800 people on board... and he didn't do it with intent?
Let us not judge him on that then so he's struggling with the capacity and he sends out a distress call his actions after the distress call caused more loss of life but his actions were intentional
He's a murderer - he went with intention to get as much illegal money as he could knowing there was a risk. You can be your SJW / PC brigade as much as you want to me it's murder
He's not a murderer. He did not wake up in the morning and think by dinner tonight he would have killed 700 people! He had no intention of killing them. He was just greedy and stupidly negligent. That does not in any way, shape or form make someone a murderer.
It does mean he is a murderer if he knew that the boat was overloaded & there was a good possibility of a disaster.
That is murder not manslaughter.

So why was Francesco Schettino convicted of manslaughter?
banned#20
airfix
YouDontWantToKnow
xfaxfa
philphil61
So you skipper a boat which has a capacity and you know that if you go over the capacity that you may put the passengers in further danger and that's not intent?
But there's being over capacity and being f....ing crazy and this killer skippering a 27ft boat with almost 800 people on board... and he didn't do it with intent?
Let us not judge him on that then so he's struggling with the capacity and he sends out a distress call his actions after the distress call caused more loss of life but his actions were intentional
He's a murderer - he went with intention to get as much illegal money as he could knowing there was a risk. You can be your SJW / PC brigade as much as you want to me it's murder
He's not a murderer. He did not wake up in the morning and think by dinner tonight he would have killed 700 people! He had no intention of killing them. He was just greedy and stupidly negligent. That does not in any way, shape or form make someone a murderer.
It does mean he is a murderer if he knew that the boat was overloaded & there was a good possibility of a disaster.
That is murder not manslaughter.
So why was Francesco Schettino convicted of manslaughter?

Probably because the prosecution failed to prove he realised the risk

Why do you think?
#21
He's a killer, but not a murderer. Murders have a specific definition, not just one person's opinion.
#22
The division here makes no logical sense and is only calculated to dramatise. He didnt commit muder/manslaughter 700 times.

18 years is a reasonably long enough sentence.
2 Likes #23
Manslaughter.
suspended#24
philphil61
So you skipper a boat which has a capacity and you know that if you go over the capacity that you may put the passengers in further danger and that's not intent?
But there's being over capacity and being f....ing crazy and this killer skippering a 27ft boat with almost 800 people on board... and he didn't do it with intent?

Let us not judge him on that then so he's struggling with the capacity and he sends out a distress call his actions after the distress call caused more loss of life but his actions were intentional

He's a murderer - he went with intention to get as much illegal money as he could knowing there was a risk. You can be your SJW / PC brigade as much as you want to me it's murder


Might be murder to you, but to the legal system, criminal law and most people who CAN see the difference, it's manslaughter. But hey, stay out on a limb with your WRONG interpretation of the law if you wish. It won't change anything. It'll just mean you stay wrong.

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