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My clutch has gone NOOOOO!!!

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7y, 11m agoPosted 7 years, 11 months ago
Hello, i believe my clutch has just gone, the car started juddering wildly when i pulled up and then the clutch just went flat to the floor with no resistence, with a burning smell coming from the bonnet like a burnt out vacuum cleaner. It is a 406 i have had for 2 months. Do you all reckon it is the clutch? i know it is gonna be expensive but does anyone have an ballpark figure? any experience of a 406 clutch breaking? it is a '99 406 lx 2.0hdi 90. any help is appreciated.
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7y, 11m agoPosted 7 years, 11 months ago
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#1
Is the car an automatic?
#2
MarzBarz
Is the car an automatic?

It wouldn't have a clutch if so.

Cost is fairly car specific, call some places in the morning. Good luck :)
#3
MarzBarz
Is the car an automatic?


no, standard lx diesel
#4
MarzBarz
Is the car an automatic?


HaHaHaHa wicked sense of humour.:-D
#5
from what you say..its definately the clutch..
word of advise dont go buying re-conditioned clutches from Mr. Clutch outfit...
rought estimate to put in a clutch should be aroun £200 or so mark
#6
OK - the juddering was because the clutch didn't disengage when you pressed the pedal so when you stopped you stalled the engine. The pedal sinking is a given (as the clutch clearly isn't attached to it anymore) and the burning smell is your clutch/engine acting as a brake.

If the pedal is completely sunk and won't come back (or is up and moves freely) it's the cable. If it returns slowly and is harder and harder to depress that's the fluid/hydraulics I think (no fluid or air in the fluid).

If it's not those or it's suffered damage as a result of fluid/cable issues (unlikely from just 1 stop like that) then you need a new clutch - which bits are damaged determines the cost so ring around and get some estimates for part/full replacements so you know who's the best person to get the car recovered to.

Typically you'd be into £200-£600 depending on what's damaged and how much work it is to get the bloody thing out (transverse engined cars don't make this easy!!)

Good Luck!

p.s. Did the clutch bite very near the lower end of the pedal's travel before - that's a sign of a cable needing adjustment/stretched or damaged y'see...
#7
therealjohnpeat
If the pedal is completely sunk and won't come back (or is up and moves freely) it's the cable. If it returns slowly and is harder and harder to depress that's the fluid/hydraulics I think (no fluid or air in the fluid).


:thumbsup:
#8
therealjohnpeat
OK - the juddering was because the clutch didn't disengage when you pressed the pedal so when you stopped you stalled the engine. The pedal sinking is a given (as the clutch clearly isn't attached to it anymore) and the burning smell is your clutch/engine acting as a brake.

If the pedal is completely sunk and won't come back (or is up and moves freely) it's the cable. If it returns slowly and is harder and harder to depress that's the fluid/hydraulics I think (no fluid or air in the fluid).

If it's not those or it's suffered damage as a result of fluid/cable issues (unlikely from just 1 stop like that) then you need a new clutch - which bits are damaged determines the cost so ring around and get some estimates for part/full replacements so you know who's the best person to get the car recovered to.

Typically you'd be into £200-£600 depending on what's damaged and how much work it is to get the bloody thing out (transverse engined cars don't make this easy!!)

Good Luck!

p.s. Did the clutch bite very near the lower end of the pedal's travel before - that's a sign of a cable needing adjustment/stretched or damaged y'see...


The pedal was biting very high but i just presumed this was because it was a peugeot, and it did that since i got it. Sounds exactly like what happened. the pedal went down and didn't come back up until i physically pulled it up. is it undriveable? even to get to a garage?
#9
badgerrules
The pedal was biting very high but i just presumed this was because it was a peugeot, and it did that since i got it. Sounds exactly like what happened. the pedal went down and didn't come back up until i physically pulled it up. is it undriveable? even to get to a garage?


Yep ! You'll need a tow ! :)
banned#10
avoid MR CLUTCH!

Took my car there as making noises from under the car when changing gear. They looked at it for 20 mins and said gearbox needed replacing and would cost £650

took it to a honda garage for a comparison quote. 1 minute inspection and said heat deflector plate was bent, Total cost = £0

Muppets!
#11
csiman
avoid MR CLUTCH!

Took my car there as making noises from under the car when changing gear. They looked at it for 20 mins and said gearbox needed replacing and would cost £650

took it to a honda garage for a comparison quote. 1 minute inspection and said heat deflector plate was bent, Total cost = £0

Muppets!


that is not the first bad reccommendation of mr clutch i have had, it is too far to get to one for me anyway.
#12
i had similar trouble on 405 it was a small joint on the end of clutch cable that had worn very common fault so get that checked befor clutch.
#13
are you in the RAC/AA or similar? - they will (if you have homestart) come out and see if a fix can be effected or otherwise take the car to the garage.

If not and you can live without the car for 24 hours - JOIN and then call them 24 hours later - there are schemes starting at £30-odd a year (see MoneySupermarkets comparison doodah) - cheaper than any tow!!

You may be able to start the car and drive without a clutch but it's hard (esp pulling away) and can do more harm than good (esp to the gearbox).

GL with a cheap repair!
#14
thanks for all your help guys, got it booked in on monday for £300. Local garage just over the road. Some of the quotes were over £700 so quite pleased with it. So long as it gets fixed i can go earn more money to pay for it, lol.
#15
badgerrules
thanks for all your help guys, got it booked in on monday for £300. Local garage just over the road. Some of the quotes were over £700 so quite pleased with it. So long as it gets fixed i can go earn more money to pay for it, lol.


:thumbsup: least you will get your car back £300 for fitted clutch aint to bad..

that said i remeber when i drove to Athens and back one summer when i was at uni... got 3 miles away from home ( on the way back ) and the clutch went bang :-D

which was lucky or very unlucky depending on your point of view :-D
#16
saveuk
:thumbsup: least you will get your car back £300 for fitted clutch aint to bad..


So long as it actually needs doing.
1 Like #17
Aye true i guess... TBH I new mine was going to go pop a few 100 miles before it went ( but had to get it home somehow )

maybe the OP missed out on the "feeling" of it going haveing only had it for 8ish weeks..

plus as its a 99 would say it was due for one anyway giving age / ave miles per year ETC..( as long as it was on its first still )
1 Like #18
badgerrules
thanks for all your help guys, got it booked in on monday for £300. Local garage just over the road. Some of the quotes were over £700 so quite pleased with it. So long as it gets fixed i can go earn more money to pay for it, lol.

I don't like the sound of that - has this garage actually looked at the car at all or is this just a conversation in person/by phone?

There's no way they can know exactly what needs doing without seeing the car you see - and if it's worse than just the cable/fluid they have to strip the car down to see the extent of parts and labour required - so any quote they've given is a random number based on what USUALLY needs replacing.

It could easily go up (when your car is already partly dismantled and you owe them money anyway) or it could easily be a 10 min fix they charge you £300 for...

The reason I keep carping on about cables or fluids is that French cars are notorious for having halfarsed cable installations adapted for right-hand-drive and/or no-one EVER checks clutch fluid :)

A 'failed' clutch will have been noticeable for a while when driving in terms of juddering when you pull away, engine revs rising without speed increase when you foot isn't on the pedal (clutch slip).

How it all works here...

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/clutch.htm
#19
therealjohnpeat
I don't like the sound of that - has this garage actually looked at the car at all or is this just a conversation in person/by phone?

There's no way they can know exactly what needs doing without seeing the car you see - and if it's worse than just the cable/fluid they have to strip the car down to see the extent of parts and labour required - so any quote they've given is a random number based on what USUALLY needs replacing.

It could easily go up (when your car is already partly dismantled and you owe them money anyway) or it could easily be a 10 min fix they charge you £300 for...

The reason I keep carping on about cables or fluids is that French cars are notorious for having halfarsed cable installations adapted for right-hand-drive and/or no-one EVER checks clutch fluid :)

A 'failed' clutch will have been noticeable for a while when driving in terms of juddering when you pull away, engine revs rising without speed increase when you foot isn't on the pedal (clutch slip).

How it all works here...

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/clutch.htm


The garage i am gonna use i know quite well as he lived in our house before we did, so don't think he will try and rip us off. he only charged me £25 for my MOT as we were still getting some of his mail lol. i will make sure to describe it all thoroughly and ask if it may just be the cable, but the clutch felt very stiff from when i bought it but thought nothing of it until it went broke. thankyou for all your help though.
#20
saveuk
Aye true i guess... TBH I new mine was going to go pop a few 100 miles before it went ( but had to get it home somehow )

maybe the OP missed out on the "feeling" of it going haveing only had it for 8ish weeks..

plus as its a 99 would say it was due for one anyway giving age / ave miles per year ETC..( as long as it was on its first still )


funny you said that as the previous owner already had one replaced at 60000 miles so he must have been very heavy on the clutch and felt it going, so that mut have been why he sold it. Ah well the rest of the car seems in good nick:).
#21
badgerrules
i will make sure to describe it all thoroughly and ask if it may just be the cable, but the clutch felt very stiff from when i bought it but thought nothing of it until it went broke. thankyou for all your help though.


Even more reason to suspect the cable. If it was stiff it was probably catching and not running freely. Eventually they fray and let go. Had 2 go that way myself.
#22
A clutch in a regular car should last 80,000+ miles these days - cable and fluid problems apart (these don't require the clutch to be stripped down as a rule tho).

Driving badly - as in slipping the clutch too much or leaving your foot resting against the pedal - can reduce this quite dramatically - as will too many 0-60 testruns :)

Using the wrong/cheap and nasty replacement parts an also shorten the life of a clutch of course - and when the bulk of the cost of replacing a clutch is labour getting access to it/refitting everything afterwards - it makes no sense to use cheap bits...
#23
therealjohnpeat
A clutch in a regular car should last 80,000+ miles these days - cable and fluid problems apart (these don't require the clutch to be stripped down as a rule tho).

Driving badly - as in slipping the clutch too much or leaving your foot resting against the pedal - can reduce this quite dramatically - as will too many 0-60 testruns :)

Using the wrong/cheap and nasty replacement parts an also shorten the life of a clutch of course - and when the bulk of the cost of replacing a clutch is labour getting access to it/refitting everything afterwards - it makes no sense to use cheap bits...


well my car is fixed now and the mechanic said he used the best one available, and you can really tell!! it is like driving a new car it is so smooth.:thumbsup:
#24
My clutch went 6 months ago but i am not trusting it, after 3-4hours of use ( i drive for a living) i find it cant pull as well and judders especially on a slight hill. I asked the chap who did the clutch and he said the flywheel could be going. Do you think he's right? what will happen if it is? will i need another clutch? could it even be the gearbox, i hate cars. maybe I should ebay it!
banned#25
therealjohnpeat
A clutch in a regular car should last 80,000+ miles these days - cable and fluid problems apart (these don't require the clutch to be stripped down as a rule tho).



So i'm doing well at 109,500 with the original clutch on my 96 golf?

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