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My dad has a few questions about satellite dish installation. Thanks.

Benjimoron Avatar
7y, 7m agoPosted 7 years, 7 months ago
Hi guys,

Am in need of your help again!!

My dad would like to get a satellite dish installed and get HD in 2 rooms (seperate channels, freesat).

I've suggested getting the Sky pay once, watch forever package for around £70, then asking the engineer to put a quad LMB (assume this is right?) and an extra cable for the bedroom on. Then buying 2 HD boxes for around £190. Meaning the total cost should be around £270 assuming £10 for the quad LMB and extra cable?

My dad thinks it would be better to buy the kit and install himself, the total price being around £305.

The reason he wants to do it himself is so that he can put it exactly where he wants it, attached to an extension pole so a bit higher and he can attach the wire where he wants it.

My question therefore is whether it's possible to get the sky engineer to install it the way he wants it? Would the sky engineer definately put a quad LMB on and extra cable for a reasonable price if asked? Also would he attach it via an extension pole?

If they won't do those things then how easy is it to install himself? It sounds like the sort of thing that you'd have to know what you're doing to get it right, I could imagine him not getting it in exactly the right direction or not being able to tune the boxes in. Is it something he could easily do or is he really best getting sky to install it? I assume if they won't add the extra cable for the bedroom then he could do that himself at a later date?

Thanks for your help and all answers very much appreciated.
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7y, 7m agoPosted 7 years, 7 months ago
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banned#1
Sky installs are very easy... But why would he want to put it on an extension pole? The dish needs a clear line of site. Being a few feet nearer a satellite hundreds of miles in space, isnt going to make any difference. In fact it would probably make it worse (ie high winds)
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guv
Sky installs are very easy... But why would he want to put it on an extension pole? The dish needs a clear line of site. Being a few feet nearer a satellite hundreds of miles in space, isnt going to make any difference. In fact it would probably make it worse (ie high winds)


Thanks guv, just the guy I thought could help with this!

He wants it on a pole so it's a bit higher, ie above head height so he doesn't knock his head into it.

So a sky engineer would do the things he wants? Quad LNB (if that's right??) and an extra cable for the bedroom?
banned#3
Benjimoron
Thanks guv, just the guy I thought could help with this!

He wants it on a pole so it's a bit higher, ie above head height so he doesn't knock his head into it.


Ah ok. Is it a bungalow then? Give a little detail on the spot he wants to plant the dish.

The installer (LOL - He's not an engineer!!), will put it where you want, provided it doesnt make it too difficult or add cost. A pole would add cost.
#4
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/1812/skys.jpg
#5
As per picture, brick goes up 6 foot, above that tiles so can't install on tiles?? He wants it on a pole so as to be higher than head height.
#6
guv
Ah ok. Is it a bungalow then? Give a little detail on the spot he wants to plant the dish.

The installer (LOL - He's not an engineer!!), will put it where you want, provided it doesnt make it too difficult or add cost. A pole would add cost.


Any idea on how much it would cost to put on a pole? My dad could fix the pole beforehand so all he's got to do is put it on the pole?

Any idea who to phone at sky to answer these? My dad phoned and they just wanted to sell him a package and didn't know any answers to his questions.
banned#7
Its not a good idea to do this. The dish needs to be completely static. That pole will be very flexible and I'd imagine will suffer signal lose. I can understand why he'd not want it in a place to bang his head, but is there no alternative fixed to the house?
1 Like #8
you do realise even if you buy 2 HD boxes you need the sky multiroom sub £10 per month extra to enable the 2nd box functions to work ie the SKY+ functions record/pause/rewind etc....
#9
packard
you do realise even if you buy 2 HD boxes you need the sky multiroom sub £10 per month extra to enable the 2nd box functions to work ie the SKY+ functions record/pause/rewind etc....


He doesn't want sky+, so no extra cost? He just wants freesat HD in 2 rooms at the same time, seperate channels.
#10
guv
Its not a good idea to do this. The dish needs to be completely static. That pole will be very flexible and I'd imagine will suffer signal lose. I can understand why he'd not want it in a place to bang his head, but is there no alternative fixed to the house?


I said that to him but he's phoned a satellite company who have told him that the pole he was looking at wasn't strong enough but pointed him to one which is supposed to do the job. There's nowhere else on the house which would be suitable as it's tile hung from half way up.
#11
You have to pay extra for the bracket think it was £35 extra. Everybody else has it on the front of house but I wanted it on the back facing over the house.
#12
Let's assume he decides to fix it himself, is this something he'll reasonably be able to do? I could imagine him running into all sorts of problems with not being able to line it up and not being able to tune it in. I think he'd be better off getting someone to install it for him.

All I really need to know is whether sky installer would attach it to a pole and add the extra cable/ quad lnb or whatever?
#13
GAVINLEWISHUKD
You have to pay extra for the bracket think it was £35 extra. Everybody else has it on the front of house but I wanted it on the back facing over the house.


Interesting, was that pre-arranged or do they carry brackets with them? He just wants it about a foot or so higher than it would otherwise be.
banned#14
Benjimoron
Any idea on how much it would cost to put on a pole? My dad could fix the pole beforehand so all he's got to do is put it on the pole?

Any idea who to phone at sky to answer these? My dad phoned and they just wanted to sell him a package and didn't know any answers to his questions.


Not sure what the cost would be for a pole to raise it that high. They are prepared to install to your requirements, though you'd also need an extra bracket to be able to attach to the pole. To be honest, I've never known anyone want this, so thrown me a bit! (Though going over a roof is a good reason!)

Is the house tiled all round?
#15
I'd get the sky man to do it. It's the cheapest option and he has all the setup equipment and if the dish does move you can just make him come back.:thumbsup:
#16
guv
Not sure what the cost would be for a pole to raise it that high. They are prepared to install to your requirements, though you'd also need an extra bracket to be able to attach to the pole. To be honest, I've never known anyone want this, so thrown me a bit! (Though going over a roof is a good reason!)

Is the house tiled all round?


House is tiled all round, this is the only real place where he could also get a good line of sight. Potentially he could put it on the front of the house but I think he'd rather pay the extra for a bracket.
banned#17
Another thing...... What position is the satellite in relation to the place he wants the dish installed? ie it doesnt need to be on a wall. He could get it planted in a convenient place anywhere in the garden. (Mine is 30' away from my house - but then, I'd never want to fix a 1.2m dish to the wall - high wind could take the wall away!!!
#18
GAVINLEWISHUKD
I'd get the sky man to do it. It's the cheapest option and he has all the setup equipment and if the dish does move you can just make him come back.:thumbsup:


I agree mate, I guess I need to phone sky and see if they can answer whether the guy would come with a pole etc and would do the quad lnb stuff too. Anyone know a good number for sky where you don't just get sales people, I tried before but they were clueless!

I assume the lnb stuff is right? A quad lnb and extra cable for the bedroom? That would give HD in both rooms, seperate channels (with 2 hd boxes of course)?
#19
guv
Another thing...... What position is the satellite in relation to the place he wants the dish installed? ie it doesnt need to be on a wall. He could get it planted in a convenient place anywhere in the garden. (Mine is 30' away from my house - but then, I'd never want to fix a 1.2m dish to the wall - high wind could take the wall away!!!


I'm pretty sure he wouldn't want it in the garden! The position it's going is the only place which can see where the satellite is (it's touch and go as it might even be blocked by the house over the road).
#20
Oh, and Guv, the HD box you've posted is the cheapest HD sat box around I assume?
banned#21
Benjimoron
I agree mate, I guess I need to phone sky and see if they can answer whether the guy would come with a pole etc and would do the quad lnb stuff too. Anyone know a good number for sky where you don't just get sales people, I tried before but they were clueless!

I assume the lnb stuff is right? A quad lnb and extra cable for the bedroom? That would give HD in both rooms, seperate channels (with 2 hd boxes of course)?


Depends what you actually want as far as the LNB is concerned.

A Plain sky box, needs one cable, a sky+ or sky+HD needs 2 for each receiver.

I'm assuming you are looking at a plain sky box on the main install and adding 2 Humax type HD receivers? If it is, you'd need 3 cables. obviously if you are talking about sky + boxes, then it could be 6 cables and a oct LNB. Sounds like the former though.
banned#22
Benjimoron
Oh, and Guv, the HD box you've posted is the cheapest HD sat box around I assume?


Ive not seen a cheaper one.
banned#23
Benjimoron
I'm pretty sure he wouldn't want it in the garden! The position it's going is the only place which can see where the satellite is (it's touch and go as it might even be blocked by the house over the road).


The satellite will be at approx 45 degree angle. Surely a house over the round is gonna be massively lower - or is it a town house opposite?
#24
guv
Depends what you actually want as far as the LNB is concerned.

A Plain sky box, needs one cable, a sky+ or sky+HD needs 2 for each receiver.

I'm assuming you are looking at a plain sky box on the main install and adding 2 Humax type HD receivers? If it is, you'd need 3 cables. obviously if you are talking about sky + boxes, then it could be 6 cables and a oct LNB. Sounds like the former though.


Just 2 Freesat HD boxes, nothing more. So a quad lnb and an extra cable? Would the guy definately do that? My dad doesn't want to get them out to find they won't put a quad lnb on or something. If they won't do it I assume he could add it himself at a later date easily?
#25
guv
The satellite will be at approx 45 degree angle. Surely a house over the round is gonna be massively lower - or is it a town house opposite?


Ah, I thought it was 28? I assume that's direction rather than angle? At 45 degree angle it would proabably clear the house ok.
1 Like #26
I got my dad a Humax one. It say (grade A) the one he received the box was resealed and it had a Argos stock sticker on the side but inside I am 99% sure it had never been out the box. Am guessing somebody bought it thinking it was a freeview box not realising it was a satellite box.

http://www.humaxdirect.co.uk/product.asp?ProdRef=10070&cat=Factory
banned#27
Benjimoron
Just 2 Freesat HD boxes, nothing more. So a quad lnb and an extra cable? Would the guy definately do that? My dad doesn't want to get them out to find they won't put a quad lnb on or something. If they won't do it I assume he could ass it himself at a later date easily?


Yeh, A quad will be fine - though it'd be 2 extra cables (one for each extra box)

Most installers will do it for extra wonga, but nothing is certain. They might be running late for example. That said, its a doddle to run extra cables from the LNB.. but drilling though the bedrrom walls and those tiles? Hmmmmm..... This is a reason they might not want to take the chance for their few extra quid! That said, if your dad did that bit first before he arrived, jobs done before it even started.
banned#28
Benjimoron
Ah, I thought it was 28? I assume that's direction rather than angle? At 45 degree angle it would proabably clear the house ok.


28 is position ie 28E

People get confused with the angle the dish looks like its pointing. Remember angle of incidence and all that... look at the reflection the LNB would make from the dish.
#29
guv
Yeh, A quad will be fine - though it'd be 2 extra cables (one for each extra box)

Most installers will do it for extra wonga, but nothing is certain. They might be running late for example. That said, its a doddle to run extra cables from the LNB.. but drilling though the bedrrom walls and those tiles? Hmmmmm..... This is a reason they might not want to take the chance for their few extra quid! That said, if your dad did that bit first before he arrived, jobs done before it even started.


Thought it would come with one cable anyway? Either way 2 cables.

So if the guy won't do it then dad can just stick the extra wire to the bedroom himself at a later date? I assume they'd run the cable to the lounge as that's part of the main installation. Would they definately do a quad lnb or is that something that he could do himself at a later date too if the guy wouldn't do it?

Not sure how dad was planning on getting the bedroom cable through to the bedroom, maybe taking a tile off and then putting it back on after the cable has gone through? You think if he bought the cable seperately and put it in before the installer arrived it would make things easier?
#30
guv
28 is position ie 28E

People get confused with the angle the dish looks like its pointing. Remember angle of incidence and all that... look at the reflection the LNB would make from the dish.


Ah I see, mine is almost pointing downwards but as you say the reflection is pointing at about 45.
banned#31
Benjimoron
Thought it would come with one cable anyway? Either way 2 cables.


Did you say it was going to be a standard sky box and 2 HD boxes? If its only 2 boxes, then yes, it will be 2 cables only.


So if the guy won't do it then dad can just stick the extra wire to the bedroom himself at a later date? I assume they'd run the cable to the lounge as that's part of the main installation. Would they definately do a quad lnb or is that something that he could do himself at a later date too if the guy wouldn't do it?


Yeh, he could do it himself later if the guy didnt want to do it for him. The guy would probably fit the quad - provided he has them spare. Its a bit of a gamble.. but I'd be shocked if they dont. (They'll charge you extra £10 probably for the LNB..... and yes, he could easily fit it himself if they refuse the quad)



Not sure how dad was planning on getting the bedroom cable through to the bedroom, maybe taking a tile off and then putting it back on after the cable has gone through? You think if he bought the cable seperately and put it in before the installer arrived it would make things easier?


It would definitely make it easier!! All he'd need to do then was add an F-connector and screw it to the LNB. No charge for that!!
banned#32
Benjimoron
Ah I see, mine is almost pointing downwards but as you say the reflection is pointing at about 45.


Yup. Its an offset dish. You can still get prime focus dishes (that have an LNB right in the centre), but offset are more efficient as there is no shadow blocking part of the dish surface that collects the signal and bounces it to the LNB.
#33
Thanks everyone, alot to think about. At the end of the day as I understand it he could just try to get the sky guy to do it all for a reasonable sum and anything he won't do (extra cable, lnb, pole etc) dad could just do at a later date? Unless I've got that wrong?

I assume a little re-aligning would be needed if he then put it on a pole himself but that can't be that hard can it? Surely alot easier than doing the whole installation himself?
banned#34
Benjimoron
Thanks everyone, alot to think about. At the end of the day as I understand it he could just try to get the sky guy to do it all for a reasonable sum and anything he won't do (extra cable, lnb, pole etc) dad could just do at a later date? Unless I've got that wrong?

I assume a little re-aligning would be needed if he then put it on a pole himself but that can't be that hard can it? Surely alot easier than doing the whole installation himself?


Its not hard... but on a pole and the U clip brackets, do make it more difficult. Never seen a sky dish on anything but a wall tbh.
1 Like #35
A suggestion would be to phone an installer and ask or get the installer to come out and don't go ahead with installion if it costs too much... Either way with money tight blag them to go the extra mile...
#36
guv
Did you say it was going to be a standard sky box and 2 HD boxes? If its only 2 boxes, then yes, it will be 2 cables only.



Yeh, he could do it himself later if the guy didnt want to do it for him. The guy would probably fit the quad - provided he has them spare. Its a bit of a gamble.. but I'd be shocked if they dont. (They'll charge you extra £10 probably for the LNB..... and yes, he could easily fit it himself if they refuse the quad)




It would definitely make it easier!! All he'd need to do then was add an F-connector and screw it to the LNB. No charge for that!!


Benjimoron
He doesn't want sky+, so no extra cost? He just wants freesat HD in 2 rooms at the same time, seperate channels.


Only 2 hd receivers.


I didn't quite understand the last bit about an f connector? In basic terms, if dad drills the hole and puts some cable through first then it'll make it easier for the guy fitting? If he does it afterwards then fitting it to the dish would be a bit harder than if he'd drilled the hole first?

What cable should he get? Is there special hd cable?
#37
jobibear
A suggestion would be to phone an installer and ask or get the installer to come out and don't go ahead with installion if it costs too much... Either way with money tight blag them to go the extra mile...


Yes, I said to my dad to get them out and if they won't do it for a reasonable price just return the package for a refund.

I think it sounds like he could just add the extras himself though so I think it's all cool.
banned 1 Like #38
Benjimoron
Only 2 hd receivers.


OK - so the installed box would just be a spare then? (Or have I missed something? - You mentioned a buy and install package (pay once)- which would be an SD box.)



I didn't quite understand the last bit about an f connector? In basic terms, if dad drills the hole and puts some cable through first then it'll make it easier for the guy fitting? If he does it afterwards then fitting it to the dish would be a bit harder than if he'd drilled the hole first?


This is an F-Connector

http://www.w-l-t.org/Pix/Coax%20w-F%20connector.jpg

I'm only suggesting if he drills the holes, theres no reason the guy cant feed a cable through the hole in seconds, as opposed to drilling holes through tiles - which he might be reluctant on an "extra" that isnt authorised. When the hole is drilled doesnt make any difference as far as the installation is concerned.



What cable should he get? Is there special hd cable?


No such thing as HD cable. Though better shielding is advisable for the cable - ie dont buy the cheapest - though that would probably work just fine.
#39
[SIZE="2"] I appreciate that the walls are tile hung halfway up but isn't there a chimney stack or an eave that can be pressed into service? In my tiny experience, poles and dishes just don't mix as a tiny movement in the pole causes all sorts of signal breakup due to the dish (slight exaggeration here) waving all over the sky when there is a strongish gust of wind.

I had Sky+ installed at Christmas and the installer only had 4 + 8 port LNBs, he said he hadn't had single port LNBs on the van for months. So, with a bit of luck, the installer would be fitting a 4 port for you as standard and then you only need the extra cable(s).

However, I ACTUALLY ended up using an independent engineer to do my install because the 2 lots of Sky sub-contractors (they were not Sky employees) that turned up couldn't have found their rear-ends with both hands and a searchlight. :roll::x Fortunately for me Sky eventually agreed and refunded all of my installation costs.:thumbsup:

OK, the install cost me £105 for the dish, 4 port LNB and 4 very long cables. The whole thing was done so that the cables and the dish were placed exactly where I wanted them and I would have been OK with price, even if I was not going to have to fight Sky to get them to repay me. The dish is lashed to the back of the chimney stack (the back of my house faces South) and a tiny part of the dish is only just visible from the front of the house but you need to look hard to see it!!:-D[/SIZE]
#40
Benjimoron





What cable should he get? Is there special hd cable?


No, standard satellite cable will do the job.

Personally I would suggest that either your Dad does it himself or you get a satellite installer to install, Sky installers are not the best and are only really trained to do standard installs.

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