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My theory of god, and/or religion

icecreamwoman Avatar
6y, 7m agoPosted 6 years, 7 months ago
It's fair to say we are not even a pin prick size in relation to the universe - to believe we are the only form of life in the Universe is naive & foolish. (Note: there are LIVING Bacteria' that do not need water or oxygen to survive)

I think it's also foolish to believe we are the most developed and have the most advanced technology in the universe.

Beings of a higher intelligence and technology (capable of travelling further than we can imagine due to our current technology) once visited and planted intelligence, technology and relics upon earth (Pyramids, Chichen Itza etc)

How would our ancient ancestors describe these 'beings' that flew around and came from the heavenly skies? - AS Gods, (Eziekels Chariot) Religious texts are full of references to the Gods coming from the skies.

When our space travel here on earth advances, we to will be the new 'Gods' to a distant planet and race - a new religion for them to worship.
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#1
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#2
I think it's also foolish to believe we are the most developed and have the most advanced technology in the universe.


[COLOR="Red"]That's what they'd think as well.

/thread[/COLOR]
#3
That would be B) then.

Good Luck with getting therapy.:thumbsup:
#4
chesso
That would be B) then.

Good Luck with getting therapy.:thumbsup:


So..do you have any thoughts to add then?

is there more proof of 'God' than there is proof to discount my theory?
#5
B, go and get some help love.
#6
....willing to discuss and debate with any logical theory with someone who has some degree of open-mindness and or intelligence
#7
icecreamwoman
So..do you have any thoughts to add then?

is there more proof of 'God' than there is proof to discount my theory?


I've watched all the arguments on google vid too.... and I agree with you.. Atheism is the way forward...

Not sure about the egyptian visitation theory.... but the fact that we (not me) base our lives on books written by man over 2000 years ago is a little ridiculous..... hope nobody discovers JK Rowling in 2000 years time.
#8
nobody had seen Jesus, nobdoy has any proof that he exists or doesnt exist so its up to you to make up your mind.
#9
dre1988
nobody had seen Jesus, nobdoy has any proof that he exists or doesnt exist so its up to you to make up your mind.


Have you any idea how many "messiahs" there were in history.. lots of them... but the majority of them were "mislaid" historically... but some were reported.... then ignored. The evidence for the historical Jesus is quite strong.... but not the ascension/miracles etc.
banned#10
icecreamwoman
.How would our ancient ancestors describe these 'beings' that flew around and came from the heavenly skies? - AS Gods, (Eziekels Chariot) Religious texts are full of references to the Gods coming from the skie.


Maybe or they might say, "Kin ell whats that round spinny thing"
#11
Funny stuff.

icecreamwoman
How would our ancient ancestors describe these 'beings' that flew around and came from the heavenly skies? - AS Gods, (Eziekels Chariot) Religious texts are full of references to the Gods coming from the skies.


So let me get this right, another race spends millions of years evolving and improving its technology to the point that it can fly through space at say.. The speed of light, or even faster.. And to celebrate they come to Earth, create some pyramids, tell the locals they are Gods and then leave.

What next, upon leaving they were interviewed and asked why they did this, and they replied "For the lulz, why else?"
#12
too deep for a friday night
#13
you on that new NRG1 stuff or summit? :?
#14
starsparkle2311
We're(humans) a mistake, doesn't take a genius to work that one out:thumbsup:


Darwin Award for you my dear....:-D
banned#15
If time travel exists there would be infinitely superior races as you would evolve and come back in time. Whether time exists or not has to be considered, as some argue it only exists when measured, but that's a whole different point irrelevant.

The universe was never created as it has always been there. If there was nothing, there would have always been nothing as matter cannot be created or destroyed. If a god could create matter it would break all laws of physics.

Jesus clearly doesn't exist, or not how followers perceive at least. His story is similar to that of 1000s of Egyptian religions created long before him.

Religions were a way less knowledgable humans would describe things. They didn't understand what the sun was so called classed it a god.

Not only this but stories have clearl been exaggerated over time. When you tell your mate dave about the fight you saw you might add a few details that may not been entirely accurate to juice it up a bit, then we he tells someone adds a bit more etc... This clearly happened in the bible. He fed 10 people with fish and a slice of hovis. Someone told somebody it was 15. They told some it was 20 and it continues. The more it is passed on the less accurate it becomes. I could go on all night but I won't as my fingers hurt from holding this phone. Apologies for the bad grammar and spelling most likely present couldn't review the text above
banned#16
The JFK
[COLOR="Red"]That's what they'd think as well.

/thread[/COLOR]


The JFK
[COLOR="Red"]That's what they'd think as well.

/thread[/COLOR]


JFK solves the Problem of whether other life forms
exists. Another usefull comment
magnificient insight you have, I applaud you


...no really I do

.... I admire you JFK

...a visionery, guru perhaps ?





[/sarcasm]
#17
my theory on god

there isnt one, if you need to folow a religion become a pagan and worship the earth, you want to help others then protect the earth.
religion has been used to control the woking classes for hundreds of years, the more educated the working classes have become the less we believe what we are being told from the ruling classes.

ref bacteria
bacteria need water to live, the Atacama desert is reputably the driest place on earth and has no life forms, not even bacteria. but bacteria have been found in glaciers thousands of years old as they can produce a bubble of anti-freeze around themselves. allowing for the possibility that bacterial life exists in the caves on mars.
#18
watch the fourth kind
real footage and actors on screen at same time
true story
i will help you
#19
Ya know what, once you actually study more in-depth to these kind of things you start to lose interest in whats actually out there and more into what we can do to get out there (or when we're out there).. I study stuff which brush on these type of subjects 'time travel' aka faster than speed of light, space travel, space explorations etc etc..
Edit: The amount of waffle people come up with is quite entertaining at times...

I personally am not sure about religion, my parents are fairly heavy on Buddhism, and I can see sense in it because it makes sense in day to day life and I have this: 'it wont harm me to carry this lucky charm' attitude regardless if its true or not. However I feel a bit cold towards other religions whereby I would need to do something 'illogical' to practice the faith as sense does not come into play of faith... Its a bit above me that one.
Edit2: I feel some religions can be tainted quite easily and thus have to 'change' or 'evolve' to be re-enforced, in the believers view its called 'a better understanding' or along those lines. In my view however it seems its moving the goal posts. (apologies of excessive use of ' ' and apologies for anyone who may be offended by what I've said, clearly not my intention only trying to state my views).

As for aliens landing or extraterrestrial life etc.. sure, why not. but other than a passing convo and interesting documentaries I wouldnt want to waste my time on finding out, they are not significant enough in my life to care about just yet.. Unless ofc I get paid for these type of things (heh, not an impossible task to land that kind of job tho) :)
#20
Those who say God does not exist have to have absolute knowledge of everything in the known universe and beyond, past, present and future, or else they are merely stating their views as a matter of faith. Since mankind does not have absolute knowledge of everything, or anything for that matter, on Earth it is utter foolishness for anyone to say that he or she "knows" there is no God. The best, and the most intelligent way of expressing atheism is to say, "I hope there is no God." That would make you an agnostic, but then agostics don't know what to believe and take the impossible middle ground. Therefore since both believers and atheists cannot actually prove or disprove the existence of God, both are operating by faith in their particular theory. The bottomline is .... we will all find out one day if there is a God, or we wont if there is not.


BTW. Anyone who says that Jesus did not exist is ignoring the weight of evidence from history. Despite what is believed about who Jesus actually was, there is enough evidence to confirm that He did live on Earth prior to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.
The first-century Roman Tacitus, who is considered one of the more accurate historians of the ancient world, mentioned superstitious “Christians” (from Christus, which is Latin for Christ), who suffered under Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius. Suetonius, chief secretary to Emperor Hadrian, wrote that there was a man named Chrestus (or Christ) who lived during the first century (Annals 15.44).
Julius Africanus quotes the historian Thallus in a discussion of the darkness which followed the crucifixion of Christ (Extant Writings, 18).
The Babylonian Talmud (Sanhedrin 43a) confirms Jesus' crucifixion on the eve of Passover and the accusations against Christ of practicing sorcery and encouraging Jewish apostasy.
Lots more in history books in your local library.
There is more evidence that Jesus existed than for Julius Ceasar. Only schoolboy logic touts the "Jesus is a myth" nonesense.
#21
compo

ref bacteria
bacteria need water to live, the Atacama desert is reputably the driest place on earth and has no life forms, not even bacteria. but bacteria have been found in glaciers thousands of years old as they can produce a bubble of anti-freeze around themselves. allowing for the possibility that bacterial life exists in the caves on mars.


True but dont automatically think no water = no life. Non carbon based life could exist naturally, i.e. without the need of water/ice etc. (can-o-worms should be left at that, if one wants more info google it). Or simply put.. we dont know everything in the universe there are things which we will not understand that does happen.
#22
Predikuesi

There is more evidence that Jesus existed than for Julius Ceasar. Only schoolboy logic touts the "Jesus is a myth" nonesense.


Im a bit sceptical by the last comment........

Evidence that Jesus existed are assumptions surely. They do not know exactly that this is the exact guy who did all those things in the bible.. Also there are no (to my knowledge) references to back up the first reference. Many of the stuff he's done is in 'one' recording..?
Whereas the other JC has I'd imagine countless clear cut different pieces of evidence that he does exist and has done the things historians said he's done.

My history or RE is not hot so correct me if im wrong.
#23
There is no evidence either way that GOD exists or not. But, who am I to say there is no god. My thoughts are, that if it helps someone in a time of need to believe that a loved one has gone to a better place and their suffering has ended, then who am I to say this isnt the case.
There may well have been a jesus 2000 years ago, but I reckon Paul daniels did better magic tricks, water and wine is a bit rubbish compared to making an elephant disappear on a stage. In fact I am going to start my own religion called "PaulDanielism" where we can pray to Paul by saying "you're going to like this, not a lot......." We will all have to watch re-runs on UK Gold and have special haircuts
As for extra-terrestrials, hmmmm. Again I have no evidence either way.
Its an interesting concept based on our understanding of everything having a start point. Where did matter come from, where did god gome from? If ones always been there, then couldnt the other?

I think of myself as pragmatic in this respect and am ready and willing to change my beliefs based on the provision of evidence
#24
Inquisitor;8330524
Im a bit sceptical by the last comment........

Evidence that Jesus existed are assumptions surely. They do not know exactly that this is the exact guy who did all those things in the bible.. Also there are no (to my knowledge) references to back up the first reference. Many of the stuff he's done is in 'one' recording..?
Whereas the other JC has [COLOR=red]I'd imagine[/COLOR] countless clear cut different pieces of evidence that he does exist and has done the things historians said he's done.

My history or RE is not hot so correct me if im wrong.


What you are saying is that you believe something that you have no clear evidence to support. Isn't that exactly what you are saying believers in God are doing? We can go around in circles arguing if a piece of evidence supports Jesus Christ or some other person claiming to be Him, so I don't see the point in doing so. We all have to be careful not to rewrite or spin history to support our personal views on any subject.
#25
icecreamwoman
So..do you have any thoughts to add then?

is there more proof of 'God' than there is proof to discount my theory?


Yes, as you mention it I do have some thoughts.
My first thought is that if you have in post #2 ( at 1.30 am Fri/Sat) that the alternative is
option B) 'I am going mad'

then you might expect a nonchalent response at that time.

The second thought I have is : in what way is this 'your' theory? Upon what empirical research have you based it and where have you published? Is it intended to be a testable evidence based theory or musings after reading Erich von Daniken?

I am of the opinion that there is no god and I do not feel it is necessary to suppose extra-terrestrial visits to explain pyramids or ancient civilisations or their bizarre (to me) superstitions.

I agree with what has been said by Inquisitor and compo.

There have been some good thoughtful contributions in this thread. As ADZ says, I also am willing to change my mind in the light of worth-while evidence, although, in fact, I have no beliefs as such..
#26
Predikuesi;8331235
We all have to be careful not to rewrite or spin history to support our personal views on any subject.


Surely all 'history' is, is people's personal views on a subject, rewritten, spun and amalgamated...
#27
Good to hear everyones opinions........ :thumbsup:

As for why I believe what I believe .. it was when I visited Egypt, there's just no way humans did that...you have to see it for yourself....Architects worldwide have said it would be some feat today for us to build something similar even with cranes and the like

I've also visited Palenque - this is what has been found .... how on earth did ancient mayas get such inspiration?

NOTE: smart alec..this is the stencil illustrated but you can see the original if you search 'palenque astronaut'

http://wingedmammal.com/bat_stuff/lid_of_palenque_big.gif
#28
I have read Von Daniken yes..there has been lies told by him so it is not all based on him....I always had similar views before I discovered his books...which was after I visited Egypt and before Palenque
#29
I don't believe that the 'Aliens' left ;-)

If they are that advanced they can shield themselves from human view :)
#30
I think life is an amazing wonderous thing whether it be human, animal, plant etc. I am at a loss to really fully understand how it starts and ends. I do not however really believe that GOD causes it to occur.
I believe that if people grew up away from society as a whole they may take on beliefs but they would possibly be different to the commonly held religious beliefs. I think that religious beliefs are learned.
I think beliefs generally are a way that people attempt to make sense of the unknown but have no problem with anyone holding any belief structure provided it does not impinge in any bad way on others.
#31
PhearFactor;8329850

So let me get this right, another race spends millions of years evolving and improving its technology to the point that it can fly through space at say.. The speed of light, or even faster.. And to celebrate they come to Earth, create some pyramids, tell the locals they are Gods and then leave.

What next, upon leaving they were interviewed and asked why they did this, and they replied "For the lulz, why else?"


Of course they did, I recommend you watch the documentary called 'Stargate' which gives an interesting historical perspective on this through a black ops US operation.

John
#32
jah128;8331292
Surely all 'history' is, is people's personal views on a subject, rewritten, spun and amalgamated...



What I was referring to is the dishonest way some people twist recorded history. It is obviously and certainly possible for the eyeswitnesses and recorders of historical events to have spun the facts, but unless we were there we cannot but either accept or reject their accounts. If we do anything other than this, unless we have a more reliable source of information from the same era, then we are not being honest. To take a modern-day spin on historical facts and present them as the real event is a method of deceiving people. The communists tried that one and failed.
#33
WoolyM;8331369
I think life is an amazing wonderous thing whether it be human, animal, plant etc. I am at a loss to really fully understand how it starts and ends. I do not however really believe that GOD causes it to occur.
I believe that if people grew up away from society as a whole they may take on beliefs but they would possibly be different to the commonly held religious beliefs.[COLOR=red] I think that religious beliefs are learned.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=navy]I think beliefs generally are a way that people attempt to make sense of the unknown but have no problem with anyone holding any belief structure provided it does not impinge in any bad way on others.[/COLOR]


[COLOR=red]Isn't almost everything we believe learned?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]Very true.[/COLOR]
#34
icecreamwoman;8331306
Good to hear everyones opinions........ :thumbsup:

As for why I believe what I believe .. it was when I visited Egypt, there's just no way humans did that...you have to see it for yourself....Architects worldwide have said it would be some feat today for us to build something similar even with cranes and the like


Sure, its some feat, its incredibly impressive, but you really think its more likely that aliens came to Earth and built it rather that a skilled civilisation of humans of a long period of time? Really?
#35
Predikuesi;8331412
What I was referring to is the dishonest way some people twist recorded history. It is obviously and certainly possible for the eyeswitnesses and recorders of historical events to have spun the facts, but unless we were there we cannot but either accept or reject their accounts. If we do anything other than this, unless we have a more reliable source of information from the same era, then we are not being honest. To take a modern-day spin on historical facts and present them as the real event is a method of deceiving people. The communists tried that one and failed.


As did King James et al?
#36
Point I was making is that if you grew up away from book based religion and nobody was about to inform that such beliefs existed you would hold different beliefs based on current surroundings. On that basis it makes me question the validity of any belief as such.
#37
jah128;8331467
As did King James et al?


I don't get your point here. King James commisioned the version we call the AV or KJV. If you get hold of what is available of the Dead Sea Scrolls, and translations of the Bible dating from the 1st Century, then you will find that the Bible, apart from correcting typos and the change in word meaning, is exactly the same. Which translators of any work can we accept if we approach the subject with preconcieved ideas rather than honestly researching it?
#38
Johnmcl7
Of course they did, I recommend you watch the documentary called 'Stargate' which gives an interesting historical perspective on this through a black ops US operation


lol sweet, I will have to watch that.

My personal opinion is that if someone wants to believe in God or Jesus or any sort of faith based religion, then that is of no concern to me. When their beliefs encroach on the free thinking world of science though, then for sure, these people need to be shot.

Aliens are a whole different ball game. Although I do find it funny that people have gone from religion to aliens, both are faith based and have little evidence to support the theories. There probably are aliens, the problem is it could be merely a speck of bacteria on a frozen world or a fully fledged flying lion, until we find said alien there really isn't much to discuss :p
#39
WoolyM;8331469
Point I was making is that if you grew up away from book based religion and nobody was about to inform that such beliefs existed you would hold different beliefs based on current surroundings. On that basis it makes me question the validity of any belief as such.


Even if your assumption was correct, from where did the first conscious beings derive their belief in a higher / divine being to invent a book-based religion?
#40
Predikuesi;8331530
I don't get your point here. King James commisioned the version we call the AV or KJV. If you get hold of what is available of the Dead Sea Scrolls, and translations of the Bible dating from the 1st Century, then you will fine that the Bible, apart from correcting typos and the change in word meaning, is exactly the same. Which translators of any work can we accept if we approach the subject with preconcieved ideas rather than honestly researching it?


We can't accept any as 'fact', just as we can't accept any original work as 'fact'. I dispute that it is just typos and change in word meaning; it is a translation, which is clearly not an exact-science [such is the beauty of human languages, with their ever-changing nature].

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