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Natal needs 4 Metres to work properly UPDATED

sennasnit Avatar
banned6y, 8m agoPosted 6 years, 8 months ago
Just spotted this story, any thoughts.

THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE A NEGATIVE STORY, IT'S JUST TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS!!!

http://www.vg247.com/2010/03/23/natal-report-youll-want-to-clear-4-metres-of-space-from-the-screen/#comments

clickable link in first post.

Now updated.
They say it was misinterpreted, however they do not say how much space is required.
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banned6y, 8m agoPosted 6 years, 8 months ago
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#2
no problem for me, anywho this will only be a novelty gadget, I'm one for a relaxing gaming session not where I have to limber up before hand so I can do high kicks without getting groin strain. My Streetfighter sessions will stay firmly in my hands and joypad.

I got a Wii, thanks M$
#3


I cannot read the VG247.com site during office hours (due to an over-zealous proxy server blocking any mention of "gaming" in HTTP/HTML meta tags).

Would you mind posting the text from the page in a comment?

Initially thoughts though were... my front room isn't 4 metres in any direction so that sounds like a non-starter for me. Perhaps "Natal 2" (that is already being developed!) isn't quite so greedy with physical space for usage.

BFN,

fp.
[mod]#4
fanpages
I cannot read the VG247.com site during office hours (due to an over-zealous proxy server blocking any mention of "gaming" in HTTP/HTML meta tags).

Would you mind posting the text from the page in a comment?

Initially thoughts though were... my front room isn't 4 metres in any direction so that sounds like a non-starter for me. Perhaps "Natal 2" (that is already being developed!) isn't quite so greedy with physical space for usage.

BFN,

fp.


To quote that drunk man in Jaws, “We’re going to need a bigger boat.”

If this TechFlash article is to be believed, those of you living in small houses may find yourselves ostracised from using Natal properly.
Snip:
To be precise, you’ll want to clear an area extending at least 4 meters (a little more than 13 feet) away from the television. That’s the back edge of the space to be taken into account by the Natal sensors. In terms of width and height, the field of vision naturally expands as it moves from the Natal device to that back edge, ending up a little more than 4 meters wide and 2.7 meters high (about 8 feet, 10 inches).
The details come from Microsoft itself, apparently, which briefed journalists on Natal in Redmond yesterday. It’s not clear whether or not you’ll actually need to have that much space available for the motion sensor to operate as it should, or if this is just the recommended amount.
Games boss Don Mattrick was on hand, saying response from consumers in testing of Project Natal has been “off the charts.”
Go get a tape measure and size up your living room; 4 metres is not the smallest distance in the world.
We’ve asked MS for clarification.
#5
fanpages
I cannot read the VG247.com site during office hours (due to an over-zealous proxy server blocking any mention of "gaming" in HTTP/HTML meta tags).

Would you mind posting the text from the page in a comment?

Initially thoughts though were... my front room isn't 4 metres in any direction so that sounds like a non-starter for me. Perhaps "Natal 2" (that is already being developed!) isn't quite so greedy with physical space for usage.

BFN,

fp.


http://www.maxconsole.net/content.php?39215-Project-Natal-needs-you-to-stand-at-least-13-feet-away can you read that?
#6
magicjay1986
To quote that drunk man in Jaws, “We’re going to need a bigger boat.”

If this TechFlash article is to be believed, those of you living in small houses may find yourselves ostracised from using Natal properly.
Snip:
To be precise, you’ll want to clear an area extending at least 4 meters (a little more than 13 feet) away from the television. That’s the back edge of the space to be taken into account by the Natal sensors. In terms of width and height, the field of vision naturally expands as it moves from the Natal device to that back edge, ending up a little more than 4 meters wide and 2.7 meters high (about 8 feet, 10 inches).
The details come from Microsoft itself, apparently, which briefed journalists on Natal in Redmond yesterday. It’s not clear whether or not you’ll actually need to have that much space available for the motion sensor to operate as it should, or if this is just the recommended amount.
Games boss Don Mattrick was on hand, saying response from consumers in testing of Project Natal has been “off the charts.”
Go get a tape measure and size up your living room; 4 metres is not the smallest distance in the world.
We’ve asked MS for clarification.


"Off the charts"? Is that negative or positive?

8 feet 10 inches isn't quite the height of everybody's ceiling either is it?

No wonder all the demonstrations are in studios looking like furniture showrooms without ceilings!




Nope! But thanks for trying.

BFN,

fp.

[EDIT]:
PS. Has anybody read any details about whether "Natal" technology prefers light or dark environments?

The current PlayStation Eye implementation in "EyeToy" fails in my front room after dusk, but the 3-mote/Co-Motion/Nunchuck Norris controllers prefer darker rooms (so that the light sensors can be tracked).
banned#7
nah they'll update, they said the same about the PS Eye when it first came out, they'll just tighten it up
#8
ODB_69
nah they'll update, they said the same about the PS Eye when it first came out, they'll just tighten it up


this wouldnt be another sly marketing ploy to get the fan boys discussing and slating now would it, drumming up some more free advertising:roll:



dont believe the hype
banned#9
Alfonse
no problem for me, anywho this will only be a novelty gadget, I'm one for a relaxing gaming session not where I have to limber up before hand so I can do high kicks without getting groin strain. My Streetfighter sessions will stay firmly in my hands and joypad.

I got a Wii, thanks M$


The Wii is a novelty gadget but it's sold pretty well.

Natal seems like a nice idea but I'm not if it'll be harnessed properly this generation.

My guess would be that it'll be a standard feature on the next Xbox iteration though.
banned 1 Like #10
casparwhite;8183116
this wouldnt be another sly marketing ploy to get the fan boys discussing and slating now would it, drumming up some more free advertising:roll:



dont believe the hype



probably, if so its worked....OP does nothing but slate the 360 and all its bits on here...

obvious motive for posting...saw that straight away


still think Natal and move will be pointless
#11
I read an interesting piece on Fable 3, saying that with Natal it will be able to see your reactions and people in the game will adjust accordingly....however Peter M is known for promising more than he can offer so have to wait for E3.
banned#12
ODB_69
probably, if so its worked....OP does nothing but slate the 360 and all its bits on here...

obvious motive for posting...saw that straight away


still think Natal and move will be pointless


errr hello "THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE A NEGATIVE STORY, IT'S JUST TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS!!!"
I'm not going to comment either way, or will i be joining the motion control bandwagon.
The point is, this could affect people who want this system, not everyone has the space, and Microsoft are hardly gonna put it on the Natal box are they?
Just chill and see what people say before you moan. If i start putting that Natal will be rubbish, then you're welcome to jump in and kick off.:thumbsup:
banned 1 Like #13
@fanpages, here's the full TechFlash article.
Some advice for any Xbox 360 owners thinking ahead to the launch of Microsoft's Project Natal later this year: You might want to see if you'll need to reconfigure your living room. After all, the motion-sensing control system is no sit-on-the-couch experience. You'll need some space to move your body and swing your arms without banging into the coffee table.

To be precise, you'll want to clear an area extending at least 4 meters (a little more than 13 feet) away from the television. That's the back edge of the space to be taken into account by the Natal sensors. In terms of width and height, the field of vision naturally expands as it moves from the Natal device to that back edge, ending up a little more than 4 meters wide and 2.7 meters high (about 8 feet, 10 inches).

Those were among the tidbits passed along by representatives of the Natal team during a briefing for a group of reporters and bloggers Monday on the company's Redmond campus. The session was part of a day-long technology discussion held by Craig Mundie, the company's chief research and strategy officer.

Natal, announced last year at the E3 video-game convention, is due out by the holidays. It's Microsoft's effort to bring its own "natural user interface" to the Xbox 360. It differs from Nintendo's Wii and Sony's upcoming Motion Controller, in that the camera system senses movement without requiring the gamer to hold a controller. (However, one of the details that emerged from the session is that controllers and accessories can be used in conjunction with moving around to add even more elements of control to games.)

During the Monday session, we quizzed Don Mattrick, who heads the company's video-game business as its senior vice president of interactive entertainment. Mattrick said the response from consumers in testing of Project Natal has been "off the charts." Mattrick said he's excited about the types of experiences that game developers are creating with the system, declining to go into details. He noted that Natal is also getting interest from the broader entertainment industry, citing as an example Steven Spielberg's early endorsement.

The session included lots of technical details on the Natal device, including its three sensors for measuring the depth of the room, capturing the gamer's movement and ensuring adequate light. The machine-learning system can also tell where parts of your body should be even if they aren't visible to the camera, such as an arm tucked behind your back. (Technical phrase: "Extremity occlusion resilient.")

The Natal team says the device requires less in the way of processing than the average smartphone, because they wanted to leave as much processing as possible available to the game itself.

As for the price? Mattrick wouldn't say, but he predicted that it won't be as much as consumers who have tested the device might expect, given the amount of fun they say they're having. Microsoft has created the Natal device with off-the-shelf components, which has the effect of keeping costs down and positioning the company to take advantage of broader industry advances in vision technology and sensors.

"We're going to drive the business, and make it scale, and make it profitable," Mattrick said.
banned#14
sennasnit;8183299
errr hello "THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE A NEGATIVE STORY, IT'S JUST TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS!!!"
I'm not going to comment either way, or will i be joining the motion control bandwagon.
The point is, this could affect people who want this system, not everyone has the space, and Microsoft are hardly gonna put it on the Natal box are they?
Just chill and see what people say before you moan. If i start putting that Natal will be rubbish, then you're welcome to jump in and kick off.:thumbsup:


oh behave...obvious why you posted this, by saying 'Im not being negative' doesnt mean you actually arent. If you dont like the comment you only have yourself to blame with your track record of anti-360 posts

Like its been said...this is Natal v1, v2 is being made at the moment, its a LONG way off, fair enough if this was a week before launch but its not, less of the scare mongering for now will ya....I'm sure the move has problems at the moment too but lets wait until release before writing them off
banned#15
fanpages
SNIP

[EDIT]:
PS. Has anybody read any details about whether "Natal" technology prefers light or dark environments?

The current PlayStation Eye implementation in "EyeToy" fails in my front room after dusk, but the 3-mote/Co-Motion/Nunchuck Norris controllers prefer darker rooms (so that the light sensors can be tracked).


I've heard that it can work in the dark, but i don't know if performance takes a hit, also it has difficulties with certain colours, which they are working on.
#16
sennasnit
I've heard that it can work in the dark, but i don't know if performance takes a hit, also it has difficulties with certain colours, which they are working on.


Thanks.

I have trouble with colours in the dark too!
To be fair, I have trouble with colours in any light but that is a hereditary colour-vision deficiency issue.

That aside, natural daylight streaming through our front window is great for the "EyePet" title but when we have to switch on our 40W &/or 60W light bulbs later in the day the 'technology' cannot find the "Magic Card" even though it is in the same position it was previously.

I lost interest in that idea very quickly when it became apparent of the shortcomings in the product.

BFN,

fp.
banned#17
UPDATE

Apparently it was misinterpreted, however they still don't say how much space is required.
http://www.vg247.com/2010/03/24/ms-comments-on-natal-room-space-were-misinterpreted/#comments
#18
sennasnit
UPDATE

Apparently it was misinterpreted, however they still don't say how much space is required.
http://www.vg247.com/2010/03/24/ms-comments-on-natal-room-space-were-misinterpreted/#comments


"...We know that living rooms come in all shapes and sizes, and have conducted numerous play tests to ensure everyone will be able to jump off the couch and into the fun when Project Natal launches globally this holiday..."

What if you do not have a couch? ;)

BFN,

fp.
banned#19
sennasnit;8191052
UPDATE

Apparently it was misinterpreted, however they still don't say how much space is required.
http://www.vg247.com/2010/03/24/ms-comments-on-natal-room-space-were-misinterpreted/#comments


told ya


stop me if I'm wrong but the PS eye desnt say you need X amount of room either, it will just adapt to whatever size
#20
fanpages
"...We know that living rooms come in all shapes and sizes, and have conducted numerous play tests to ensure everyone will be able to jump off the couch and into the fun when Project Natal launches globally this holiday..."

What if you do not have a couch? ;)

BFN,

fp.


Microsoft will sell you one.
#21
thesaint
Microsoft will sell you one.


...or PlayStation Home Furnishings.

BFN,

fp.
banned#22
fanpages;8191964
...or PlayStation Home Furnishings.

BFN,

fp.


I got some in that Christmas thing they did, very nice looking! :lol:
1 Like #23
How can you say it's not meant as a negative story, when you state absolutely in the title something that's basically just a lie designed to make Natal look bad?
banned#24
dxx
How can you say it's not meant as a negative story, when you state absolutely in the title something that's basically just a lie designed to make Natal look bad?


As it is in the discussion section, i can put whatever i want, however as i was taking it from an external website that quotes Don Mattrick from Microsoft directly, you can hardly say it was a lie, simply a misquote. Try harder.
#25
even if it were true, it would be a minor flaw compared to its lag, inaccuracy and lack of physical controller.
#26
dxx
How can you say it's not meant as a negative story, when you state absolutely in the title something that's basically just a lie designed to make Natal look bad?


so what if its designed to make natal look bad (not saying the OP actually meant that)

Microsoft them selves made it look bad at e3 so whats the problem if someone else does it?
BAM there it is.....
suspended#27
I can't see Natal performing well tbh.
I think the Move will do better, as it has a controller, and appears to have a better choice/better quality games.
banned#28
chelskii;8210823
You still at it with these fanboy posts !!!!, So you was were wrong but could you not just come out and say that in an amended title ? NO you had to ADD "however they do not say how much space is required"
What a fanboy you are.

Being a dual console owner I would defiantly want Natal to be the best system as it looks the part and would look good in any front room, I really don't want the PS3 Dildo sitting there if possible (It's ugly, dodgy looking and I don't want to have to keep explaining to people what it is)

LMAO - people in glass houses...............:whistling:
banned 1 Like #29
fps_d0minat0r
so what if its designed to make natal look bad (not saying the OP actually meant that)

Microsoft them selves made it look bad at e3 so whats the problem if someone else does it?
BAM there it is.....


You really are dull as ditch water. Every Xbox thread you pop into to have a go.

I remember when I was 12 I used to argue till I was blue in the face about the MegaDrive being better than the SNES. Unfortunately there was no forums to do this with strangers so I had to do it with real people. Funny thing was, by the time the Playstation came out when I was about 15/16, I no longer felt the urge to indulge in PS vs Saturn Vs N64 discussions. You know why? Because I was no longer a 12 year old!!!
banned#30
chelskii
You still at it with these fanboy posts !!!!, So you were wrong but could you not just come out and say that in an amended title ? NO you had to ADD "however they do not say how much space is required"
What a fanboy you are.

Being a dual console owner I would defiantly want Natal to be the best system as it looks the part and would look good in any front room, I really don't want the PS3 Dildo sitting there if possible (It's ugly, dodgy looking and I don't want to have to keep explaining to people what it is)


Don't be an imbecile, as you can see, until you arrived in this discussion it was light hearted.
I put UPDATED in the title, if i'd have added any more it would have been too long.
Don't cry because there is a negative story about your "precious", i didn't write the story it was the "MESSIAH" Don Mattrick.
If you can't contribute to the discussion constructively and keep it friendly, stay out.
banned#31
csiman
LMAO - people in glass houses...............:whistling:


+1

The discussion was over as far as i was aware, since it had been clarified by Microsoft.
There was no need to bring up the fanboy insult.
Do you know what i hate more than Fanboys, it's people who have bought their "nemesis" console thus owning both consoles, but still act like viral fanboys, and when anyone pulls them up on it they say "i am not a fanboy as i own both consoles"

What utter rot.:whistling:
banned#32
sennasnit;8211479
+1

The discussion was over as far as i was aware, since it had been clarified by Microsoft.
There was no need to bring up the fanboy insult.
Do you know what i hate more than Fanboys, it's people who have bought their "nemesis" console thus owning both consoles, but still act like viral fanboys, and when anyone pulls them up on it they say "i am not a fanboy as i own both consoles"

What utter rot.:whistling:

yeah - he has a goldfish memory if he cant see the irony in his 'fanboy' statements now he has saved up enough pocket money and bought a ps3 :roll:
banned#33
oh lawd :-(
banned#34
chelskii
HA HA HA HA HA, dream on, and your PS3 backupboy CSIMAN has tried to bail you out and failed, At least "fps_d0minat0r" has the front to say what he wants despite it being fanboy at least he isn't trying to hide it.

Hilarious -

Natal needs 4 Metres to work properly UPDATED

Just spotted this story, any thoughts.
THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE A NEGATIVE STORY, "it's just well it is actually a negative story that I got wrong"


Which part of "I didn't write this story" do you not understand.
I didn't get the story wrong, the story was correct then it got updated, so i put "UPDATED" in the title.
Do, you not understand how the internet works?:whistling:
banned#35
chelskii

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"i am not a fanboy as i own both consoles" Xbox 360 and PS3 slim owner, unlike the OP......


I rest my case, hahahahaha!
suspended#36
chelskii
"i am not a fanboy as i own both consoles" Xbox 360 and PS3 slim owner, unlike the OP......


Having both consoles doesn't stop you becoming a fanboy.
You could have 1, 2 or 100+ consoles and still be a fanboy.
banned#37
chelskii
Read his reply I pasted in my last post, I put that there for his benefit. :thumbsup:


Regular visitors of this site for the last few years know exactly what you are, even if you don't.
banned#38
chelskii

Being a dual console owner I would defiantly want Natal to be the best system as it looks the part and would look good in any front room, I really don't want the PS3 Dildo sitting there if possible (It's ugly, dodgy looking and I don't want to have to keep explaining to people what it is)


So what you're saying is, it doesn't matter if it doesn't work and is a laggy mess, and you can only play ball bouncing games, because it looks good in your front room! Even though the final product look hasn't been revealed, that there is the true definition of a blinkered fanboy. especially when you then go on to slate Move because of how it looks, hmmmm, not doing yourself any favours there are you, really. I'll go by how they play tbh.
#39
master_chief
You really are dull as ditch water. Every Xbox thread you pop into to have a go.

I remember when I was 12 I used to argue till I was blue in the face about the MegaDrive being better than the SNES. Unfortunately there was no forums to do this with strangers so I had to do it with real people. Funny thing was, by the time the Playstation came out when I was about 15/16, I no longer felt the urge to indulge in PS vs Saturn Vs N64 discussions. You know why? Because I was no longer a 12 year old!!!


yup thats why instead of putting up a debate you go around telling everyone about your childhood......very interesing.
#40
chelskii
HA HA HA HA HA, dream on, and your PS3 backupboy CSIMAN has tried to bail you out and failed, At least "fps_d0minat0r" has the front to say what he wants despite it being fanboy at least he isn't trying to hide it.

Hilarious -

Natal needs 4 Metres to work properly UPDATED

Just spotted this story, any thoughts.
THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE A NEGATIVE STORY, "it's just well it is actually a negative story that I got wrong"
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"i am not a fanboy as i own both consoles" Xbox 360 and PS3 slim owner, unlike the OP......


correct, i dont care if people call me a fanboy............at the end of the day i didnt design natal not to have one to one motion tracking or full 3d 360 degree capture.
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BAM there it is.

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