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Need to buy a new Motherboard & processor

mrfun1981 Avatar
7y, 10m agoPosted 7 years, 10 months ago
Need to upgrade my processor & m/b as iv got some problems with mine + its a good reason to get something better.

Iv only ever used Intel processors, but AMD seam to be cheaper priced & as iv got a budget of up to £130 max. Im thinking of trying AMD out.

So can anyone point me in the right direction to get the best priced processor & m/b for my money. Either AMD or Intel

Iv only got DDR1 memory at the mo so if the boards you think are best need DDR2 buying more memory will have to be taken in to a account

IV got a P4 3Ghz at the mo & i would be hoping to get something better than that

Cheers
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7y, 10m agoPosted 7 years, 10 months ago
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#1
depends what your going to use it for, i personally wouldnt pay less than £180 for a motherboard, but i use mine for gaming and you get what you pay for really
#2
maplins have some good motherboard bundles starting from 49 pounds up
#3
il need it for encoding videos & music, but there are other people in the house that would want it gaming. What what ever i buy needs to be good & fast
#4
mrfun1981
il need it for encoding videos & music, but there are other people in the house that would want it gaming. What what ever i buy needs to be good & fast

the one i bought from maplins was a bundle cpu 5600 1 gig ram and dual core motherboard £99 pounds and it is really fast at urning plays games like the grid as good as the xbox360
#5
mrfun1981
il need it for encoding videos & music, but there are other people in the house that would want it gaming. What what ever i buy needs to be good & fast


I recently did a build for a friend with future expansion in mind, which seems to cover all your bases but it cost a little more. You don't mention gfx cards and if you are encoding video and playing games you need a decent gfx card or two. What you are asking for with a budget of £130 is not really realistic, especially if you want brand new.

Having said that if you go second hand you could scrape it, there are some great bargains to be had if you are quick. For instance I saw the following yesterday (secondhand): -

Asus Black Pearl P5K £50 inc postage (normally £113.57 inc. VAT + delivery) - url for motherboard reference
Q6600 Quad core with G0 stepping (Will overclock to 3.2GHZ) £100 inc. postage.

At the moment Intel are the best chips but AMD offer more bang for your buck, you need to decide which chip you want, Intel or AMD and then look for a motherboard based on the chip architecture.

FYI - the Intel based motherboard I bought for my friends build was 4Core1600P35-WiFi, takes DDR2 and DDR3 RAM so pretty future proof and inbuilt wifi. Got this new of ebay.
#6
dcx_badass
I'm pretty sure they don't make DDR1 boards any more, and Intel are more expensive because ATM they are better.


Even if they do, do DDR motherboards it is a false economy as the RAM is way expensive, comaratively speaking, and very in demand, take it from me, I have been looking for some at a good privce for a while. DDDR2 is cheaper, especially some of the deals on here, 4GB OCZ for £35 is very good.
#7
wickedteen
depends what your going to use it for, i personally wouldnt pay less than £180 for a motherboard, but i use mine for gaming and you get what you pay for really


I think "mug" is the more apt word than "gamer". You're a victim of the same marketiing techniques used to sell makeup to women. Ie, invoke a fear response (in women, threaten them with looking older, to gamers, threaten them with the ego killer of being beaten), and offer a premium grade solution that only yourself and an elite can afford, thus giving you an advantage over the competition.

Unfortunately, the difference between a £120 moisturiser and a £5 moisturiser and a £180 motherboard and a £50 motherboard is much the same, in that it;s negligible on both counts. You aren't a better gamer becuase you spend more on a motherboard. And I can prove this at pretty much any game.
#8
AMD x2 and Phenoms are cheaper than their Intel counterparts thanks largely to cost-cutting by reducing the amount of level 2 cache memory. Of course, this will reduce performance. Furthermore, Intel Core 2 features more instructions per clock cycle, smaller predictive branch stack and shared level 2 cache memory. You will find the higher pricing for Intel processors more than justified given a better price to performance ratio.

You will need socket 775 motherboard for current Intel Core 2 processors and Socket AM2 or AM2+ for current AMD processors, bearing in mind that AM2+ processors fitted in an AM2 socket board will not take advantage of the AM2+ features such as split power planes and HyperTransport3. Pricewise, most people do not need motherboards at exorbitant prices. The top end boards allow for much better overclocking as many features such as FSB adjustments and clock multipliers can be unlocked and some of them have ridiculously high settings.

You havn't specified what your intended usage would be. Many boards provide onboard graphics which will save on purchasing a separate graphics card. Most will provide additional support for a separate graphics card if the need arises. An added bonus of many onboard graphics is that the Intel X4500, nVidia 8200-8300 series and ATI 690G/780G offer support for HD acceleration via onboard decoders and HDCP decoding to allow for blu ray movie playback (your monitor needs HDCP decoder built in too).

It is highly likely that your current hard drives and optical drives use PATA interfaces rather than SATA. Some current motherboards only have a single PATA connection which allows for only 2 PATA devices to be connected in master/slave mode (via jumpers, BIOS settings or channel select). If you have more than 2 PATA devices you will need to find a board that supports more than 1 PATA interface or purchase a separate PATA card. Some boards do not even support PATA indigenously and this is exacerbated by the fact that even if you did purchase a separate PATA card you may not be able to boot from the separate card as the BIOS only knows what is indigenous to the motherboard (ie. SATA devices).

There are other pifalls to consider too - your PSU may require modification or changing if you require SATA devices or you may find that your current graphics card may not be compatible with your new board. Almost certainly, you will need new RAM as mentioned by others. It may help if you list all your current components and what your intended usage is and that would provide enough information for me to determine what you can keep and not keep in the new system - we don't want to b a s t a r dise (I re-entered this word because the stupid filter system thinks it's a profanity by overwriting with asterisks when it is a perfectly good word to use) your system unnecessarily.
#9
ElliottC
AMD x2 and Phenoms are cheaper than their Intel counterparts thanks largely to cost-cutting by reducing the amount of level 2 cache memory. Of course, this will reduce performance. Furthermore, Intel Core 2 features more instructions per clock cycle, smaller predictive branch stack and shared level 2 cache memory. You will find the higher pricing for Intel processors more than justified given a better price to performance ratio.

You will need socket 775 motherboard for current Intel Core 2 processors and Socket AM2 or AM2+ for current AMD processors, bearing in mind that AM2+ processors fitted in an AM2 socket board will not take advantage of the AM2+ features such as split power planes and HyperTransport3. Pricewise, most people do not need motherboards at exorbitant prices. The top end boards allow for much better overclocking as many features such as FSB adjustments and clock multipliers can be unlocked and some of them have ridiculously high settings.

You havn't specified what your intended usage would be. Many boards provide onboard graphics which will save on purchasing a separate graphics card. Most will provide additional support for a separate graphics card if the need arises. An added bonus of many onboard graphics is that the Intel X4500, nVidia 8200-8300 series and ATI 690G/780G offer support for HD acceleration via onboard decoders and HDCP decoding to allow for blu ray movie playback (your monitor needs HDCP decoder built in too).

It is highly likely that your current hard drives and optical drives use PATA interfaces rather than SATA. Some current motherboards only have a single PATA connection which allows for only 2 PATA devices to be connected in master/slave mode (via jumpers, BIOS settings or channel select). If you have more than 2 PATA devices you will need to find a board that supports more than 1 PATA interface or purchase a separate PATA card. Some boards do not even support PATA indigenously and this is exacerbated by the fact that even if you did purchase a separate PATA card you may not be able to boot from the separate card as the BIOS only knows what is indigenous to the motherboard (ie. SATA devices).

There are other pifalls to consider too - your PSU may require modification or changing if you require SATA devices or you may find that your current graphics card may not be compatible with your new board. Almost certainly, you will need new RAM as mentioned by others. It may help if you list all your current components and what your intended usage is and that would provide enough information for me to determine what you can keep and not keep in the new system - we don't want to b a s t a r dise (I re-entered this word because the stupid filter system thinks it's a profanity by overwriting with asterisks when it is a perfectly good word to use) your system unnecessarily.


Thanks for your post

Currently got.

775 motherboard
P4 3ghz
2x 1GB DDR1 memory
450 watt PSU
3 hard drives 1 IDE 80GB 2 X 160GB SATA
Geforce 7600 PCi-E graphicss card

Iv Got issues with the PC looking up,& at times wont even load the bios up or crashes the bios but other times it might run a hour or so without any problems. IV used or graphics cards, hard drives, memory. but still cant find the problem so iv come to the conclusion thats it the CPU or the M/B

So with that in mined plus the fact i would like to upgrade to a faster processor for encoding films etc plus the step-son plays all the games on the PC.

So is there any CPU & motherboard bundles etc you could recommend for my budget please?

Cheers
#10
Phenom x4 cost well over £100, so it is going to be too expensive for your budget,Phenoms X3 are cheaper but also low-clocked.. I would recommend you to go for Intel (the CPU is very overclockable if you will later need additional power)

Gigabyte GA-73PVM-S2H GeForce 7100 Socket 775 onboard VGA 8 channel audio £49.93inc vat

Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 2.5GHz Socket 775 800FSB 2MB Cache Retail Boxed £65.50inc vat
+

if 64-bit Windows : OCZ 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 800Mhz/PC2-6400 GOLD XTC Memory Kit CL5(5-5-5-18) £35.00
alternatively
if 32-bit Windows : 2GB DDR2 800mhz ,from play.com (PNY approx.£15)

Hope it helps
1 Like #11
The motherboard is more likely to fail than the CPU. In my experience, I have never seen a CPU fail. You would need to change both the motherboard and CPU anyway because current CPUs are unlikely to be compatible with your board despite the Socket 775 socket.

As you are intending to do a lot of media encoding, the Intel Core 2 processors are certainly more capable than AMD's offerings. Media encoding software have the nature of being very multi-threaded - that is several jobs are performed seemingly at once. For this reason, extra cores will enable some of the jobs that are performing seemingly at once to actually perform at the same time (true multitasking). If you can afford the little extra then a quad core processor would enable your encoding to fly along. For gaming though, a high end Core 2 Duo (such as E8500) would outperform a low end Core 2 Quad (such as Q6600) since games use very few threads.

Your PSU should provide enough current so long as it is one with reasonable efficiency (not one of those cheap sub £10 450W PSUs that only deliver 450W at peak level rather than a steady sustained delivery of power). The graphics card can be kept although it will not be sufficient for the latest games.

As you have 2 SATA hard drives, it would be prudent to choose a motherboard that supports RAID allowing for faster disc read and writes or you can use one drive to mirror the other drive (not quite the same as a backup though). Your other hard drive will require a board that as a PATA interface (you mention it is IDE but I assume you mean PATA because IDE applies to both PATA and SATA drives).

As your budget is £130 there is little room for manouevre so I will start by recommending a low end Core 2 Duo E5200 at around £60. To complement that, an i945 chipset-based motherboard such as Asus P5PL-AM (the 945 chipset was one of the first officially ratified chipset to support Core 2 Duos) at around £40 provides onboard graphics and PCI Ex16 for your 7600 grpahics card. This leaves enough money left for 2GB of RAM. The board supports PATA and SATA interfaces, althouh RAID is not supported.

mrfun1981
Thanks for your post

Currently got.

775 motherboard
P4 3ghz
2x 1GB DDR1 memory
450 watt PSU
3 hard drives 1 IDE 80GB 2 X 160GB SATA
Geforce 7600 PCi-E graphicss card

Iv Got issues with the PC looking up,& at times wont even load the bios up or crashes the bios but other times it might run a hour or so without any problems. IV used or graphics cards, hard drives, memory. but still cant find the problem so iv come to the conclusion thats it the CPU or the M/B

So with that in mined plus the fact i would like to upgrade to a faster processor for encoding films etc plus the step-son plays all the games on the PC.

So is there any CPU & motherboard bundles etc you could recommend for my budget please?

Cheers
1 Like #12
ElliottC
The motherboard is more likely to fail than the CPU. In my experience, I have never seen a CPU fail. You would need to change both the motherboard and CPU anyway because current CPUs are unlikely to be compatible with your board despite the Socket 775 socket.

As you are intending to do a lot of media encoding, the Intel Core 2 processors are certainly more capable than AMD's offerings. Media encoding software have the nature of being very multi-threaded - that is several jobs are performed seemingly at once. For this reason, extra cores will enable some of the jobs that are performing seemingly at once to actually perform at the same time (true multitasking). If you can afford the little extra then a quad core processor would enable your encoding to fly along. For gaming though, a high end Core 2 Duo (such as E8500) would outperform a low end Core 2 Quad (such as Q6600) since games use very few threads.

Your PSU should provide enough current so long as it is one with reasonable efficiency (not one of those cheap sub £10 450W PSUs that only deliver 450W at peak level rather than a steady sustained delivery of power). The graphics card can be kept although it will not be sufficient for the latest games.

As you have 2 SATA hard drives, it would be prudent to choose a motherboard that supports RAID allowing for faster disc read and writes or you can use one drive to mirror the other drive (not quite the same as a backup though). Your other hard drive will require a board that as a PATA interface (you mention it is IDE but I assume you mean PATA because IDE applies to both PATA and SATA drives).

As your budget is £130 there is little room for manouevre so I will start by recommending a low end Core 2 Duo E5200 at around £60. To complement that, an i945 chipset-based motherboard such as Asus P5PL-AM (the 945 chipset was one of the first officially ratified chipset to support Core 2 Duos) at around £40 provides onboard graphics and PCI Ex16 for your 7600 grpahics card. This leaves enough money left for 2GB of RAM. The board supports PATA and SATA interfaces, althouh RAID is not supported.



i945, although stable, does not allow to overclock...and it's very,very old.I would argue whether the chipset it's still a good choice for a new desktop.
The Gigabyte from ebuyer, apart from reputabe manufacturer has :
Raid,Gigabit Lan, Firewire,HDMI,solid capacitors,up to 1333mhz FSB, good integrated sound and full PCI-E... and cost just £10 more than the cheapest 945.

Yeah, you are abolutely right talking about PSU but I think, it should not be a problem as he has currently power-hungry P4 (Prescott probably).
#13
Sorry for the delay in replying my PC finally refused to to boot up again.

IV now borrowed my cousins old P3, it will do for now i guess. iv added Rep for the PC advice.

Iv been nice(creaping) to my OH saying that the £130 budget is not enough to get no get the PC up & running to a high standard. So with me being extra nice to my OH she has agreed for me to spend a lot more money to get the PC up & running. But i can only get a new part every 2/3 weeks so it will prob take me 6/8 weeks to get everything i need.

Iv now got a a budget of around £350 - £400 if i dont spend it all il prob get myself a nice new case as well, so with that in mind i can prob go all out & get a quad core CPU. iv just get to make my mind up which one to get & im still not decided on getting AMD or intel. Im also thinking of getting a 1TB hard drive & my cousin is offering to buy my old drives so i make some of the money back

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