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Neighbours have the bodgers in again.

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6y, 9m agoPosted 6 years, 9 months ago
Bodgit and Scarper are well off thanks to my idiotic neighbours. After the worse than shoddy work they did last year, which I found simply laughable, they are back doing something extraordinary to the garage. I've not worked out what yet, so here's my questions. To my knowledge no planning permission has been sought. Are they allowed to change the garage roof (which is side by side with my garage, and they both link the houses together) from a flat roof to a pitched roof? If in the proces of ripping off their roof, they cause my already rather delicate (but waterproof) roof felt to leak are they obliged to repair it? Are they allowed to 'convert' this garage to become part of their living area?

If you can imagine, side-by-side it goes, their house attached to their garage, attached to my garage, attached to my house.

Thanks in advance.
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6y, 9m agoPosted 6 years, 9 months ago
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#1
Start filming them
#2
If I didn't have three kids to look after I might have. I've got an old CCTV camera I could have stuck out the bathroom window, quite surreptitiously ofcourse. I must add, my downstairs loo is behind my garage at the back, with a large skylight in the ceiling. Now I can't use this bathroom as Mr Bodgit and Mr Scarper will be quite fascinated by the sight. I'm sure.
#3
Why don't you phone up the council and find out?
#4
Oh, and the noise! I've three kids all wanting naps but the banging is ridiculous. I'm sure they're just sat in the dry banging randomly on walls. Obviously neighbour is not in, otherwise I've have gone round being nosy and trying to find out what was occurring. :oops:
#5
No planning authority needed.....why not call your local planning officer and see if they should need other permissions needed...
#6
rob585
No planning authority needed.....why not call your local planning officer and see if they should need other permissions needed...


No planning needed at all? I think I'll have to wait and see the extent of what's being done first, before I go in all guns blazing. She does get my back up!
banned#7
maybe they are just repairing their side of the rather delicate garage roof
#8
Is your garage actually attached to theirs or is there a gap?
#9
sassie
maybe they are just repairing their side of the rather delicate garage roof


That's what I'm hoping, but it looks to be a much bigger job.
#10
greg_68
Is your garage actually attached to theirs or is there a gap?


It's all actually attached. We're classed as detatched house, as we're linked by TWO garages. Technically I'd call it link-detatched. House-garage-garage-house. All physically attached. They're slightly higher up than me, so there is a step down onto my garage roof. About three inches of a step, but a step.
#11
^^ when there is snow / rain then, if they have a pitched roof where is all the water off their roof going to go?(if that's what is going to happen)
#12
Why don't you ask them what is happening as you have concerns about your garage / contents.
#13
greg_68
^^ when there is snow / rain then, if they have a pitched roof where is all the water off their roog going to go?


Ah. I imagine - if it's pitched sideways, all onto my garage roof. If it's pitched front-to-back ways, then, their drive or garden. If it's pitched my way they'd have to fit guttering or something - surely? My garage would certainly not take the heavier/faster flow of water. I havd my roof looked at when I had the skylight fitted, ot's definitely got a few years left in it, but not if you go tramping about all over up there. Which it sounds like they are doing.
#14
greg_68
Why don't you ask them what is happening as you have concerns about your garage / contents.


The builders or the neighbours? I tried being chatty with them last year and got a mouthful of abuse. I'm dreading going out shortly to pick my boy up from school. I'll try sending hubby round to chat with the neighbours later, when they're all back from work and the bodgers have gone, but I know they'll instantly go on the defensive and say if I've concerns about my roof I should get it looked at/fixed.
#15
greg_68
^^ when there is snow / rain then, if they have a pitched roof where is all the water off their roog going to go?


Exactly what i was thinking. surely a pitched roof on a garage would need guttering and therefore technically cross the boundary onto your garage (if they do put up guttering) but if they dont have any guttering then all the water will go onto your garage roof and possibly cause damage.

Surely at some point if they are building a pitched roof they will need to go onto your garage roof to do so. i would have thought they would need permission if not from the coucil then they should have spoken to you at least?

I think it would be best to ring your local council and ask>

Also try typing into google the address and then the words "planning permission " and see if anything comes up. i managed to see some plans for the house at the end of my garden without leaving my dining room!

My sympathies are with you - there is nothing worse than noisy builders when you have little ones!
banned#16
I'd just ask them nicely whats going on then if they come up with something like they are adding a pitched roof that will run onyou yours you can raise any concerns early to save an argument later. I imagine if they are doing that guttering would be added anyway.

As far as i am aware if they damage your property they have to fix it/pay
banned#17
Penny Saver
The builders or the neighbours? I tried being chatty with them last year and got a mouthful of abuse. I'm dreading going out shortly to pick my boy up from school. I'll try sending hubby round to chat with the neighbours later, when they're all back from work and the bodgers have gone, but I know they'll instantly go on the defensive and say if I've concerns about my roof I should get it looked at/fixed.


Maybe try making the builders a brew and getting them on your side? That way they may do quieter work when you need put put the kids down for a nap and let you know the low down on whats going on.
#18
fairysel
Maybe try making the builders a brew and getting them on your side? That way they may do quieter work when you need put put the kids down for a nap and let you know the low down on whats going on.


It's the builders who gave me all the abuse last year. I'm off out shortly to pick the eldest up - he's nosy enough, so I might prime him to ask them what they're doing. He likes ladders and drills, and there plenty of those spread about the front garden right now! He'll probably be ignored, but hopefully they won't hurl abuse at him!
#19
I reckon its legit, but watch out for flying mashed potato.

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banned#20
Penny Saver
It's the builders who gave me all the abuse last year. I'm off out shortly to pick the eldest up - he's nosy enough, so I might prime him to ask them what they're doing. He likes ladders and drills, and there plenty of those spread about the front garden right now! He'll probably be ignored, but hopefully they won't hurl abuse at him!


Aaah! I thought it was the neighbours who were abusive. If i were you id mention that to your neighbours. As they're the ones paying them they may listen to them
#21
fairysel
Aaah! I thought it was the neighbours who were abusive. If i were you id mention that to your neighbours. As they're the ones paying them they may listen to them


I think they might be mates. No one else would have them back after the job they did last year. They had a blazing row on the drive in front of everyone, then they still have them back this year for something else? It's all a bit dodgy to me. I just hope they don't damage/have any effect on my roof. I'm sure they must need permission to put a pitch on it, so hopefully it's just a refelt or new flat roof. Heaven only knows why. I'm going to pull off the drive very slowly so I can get a good look!
#22
They cannot change the use of the garage to living area without planning permission. Some local authorities will not allow pitched roof replacement either without permission, so if I were you I would check. If the pitch runs front to back, that should not impact on you but they are not allowed under any circumstances to pitch the roof onto your property when the two are joined here.
Call the local council planning office, or go online to their site.
#23
They don't necessarily need formal planning permission to change flat roof to a pitched roof even if they include extra space above the garage by doing so, as this could be done under permitted development. The difference here is if the work affects your property either by appearance or drainage etc. Phone your local council and ask for the planning department. You'll be able to speak to a planning "officer" who can answer your questions and tell you if consent for the work has been given.

If they damage your property during the building work, then they have to repair it or pay for it to be repaired.
#24
Right, update. It looks to be a pitched roof, front to back, incorporating a pitched canopy right across the whole of the front of the house. I don't object to that part - though it will look daft. So... might have to ring the council later about the pitched garage roof. No-one else on our estate has had it done, and I suspect there's a reason for that. We weren't even allowed to put a fence up on our boundary over 1m tall - permission was denied! I'm assuming it'll be a flat 'gable' end adjoining our property line where the garages meet, so in the event of me wanting to do the same we'd just join up would we? Not that I have any intention... I'm also assuming they'll put guttering at the front and back... but as the water would only run onto their land, I'm not fussed there either. Why would anyone have a canpoy across the whole of the front? There's no bay windows, and the porch is flat roofed already...
#25
1. They probably require a building warrant - call the council.
2. If they damage your roof, you can take action against them, but will need proof your roof was ok before the works started.
3. Noise from said works is permissible between 8am and 7pm (as a guide)
4. Sounds like you and your neighbour just don't get on and you want to cause trouble.
banned 1 Like #26
moob
1. They probably require a building warrant - call the council.
2. If they damage your roof, you can take action against them, but will need proof your roof was ok before the works started.
3. Noise from said works is permissible between 8am and 7pm (as a guide)
4. Sounds like you and your neighbour just don't get on and you want to cause trouble.


Point 4 is harsh considering what we know.
#27
master_chief
Point 4 is harsh considering what we know.


Thing is, we don't really know anything, only what the OP is volunteering - there's always more than one side to a story...

It just sounds like there's some kinda vendetta going on here, call it a hunch.
#28
There's no vendetta, there's no animosity between us and our neighbours - they're just idiots! Harmless, but idiots! We help each other out where we can - but these builders! She won't have anything said against them... so I'm stuck. If they go ahead with a full blown pitched front to back, I'll be left looking out at the side of their wall (from my landing window) whereas at present their house is far enough away for it not to be intrusive or block our view of fields/gardens/road etc. If it turns out to be a pitch from their house to our, our garage roof won't cope with the flow of water. I know our roof is delicate but I was told in the winter it had a definite few years left if we didn't trample all over it repeatedly!

I just wanted to know if they could do this without planning permission, if they can, then there's truly nothing I can do about it. If they need permission, then they've gone ahead without it and I know at our council, retrospectively sought permission is a BAD area.
#29
Penny Saver
There's no vendetta, there's no animosity between us and our neighbours - they're just idiots! Harmless, but idiots! We help each other out where we can - but these builders! She won't have anything said against them... so I'm stuck. If they go ahead with a full blown pitched front to back, I'll be left looking out at the side of their wall (from my landing window) whereas at present their house is far enough away for it not to be intrusive or block our view of fields/gardens/road etc. If it turns out to be a pitch from their house to our, our garage roof won't cope with the flow of water. I know our roof is delicate but I was told in the winter it had a definite few years left if we didn't trample all over it repeatedly!

I just wanted to know if they could do this without planning permission, if they can, then there's truly nothing I can do about it. If they need permission, then they've gone ahead without it and I know at our council, retrospectively sought permission is a BAD area.


Sorry to have jumped the gun.

Sounds like from what you've described, they would require permission, as it sounds like they're converting the garage into a dwelling area - there is also the aesthetics of it to be considered.

You will need to either contact the planning dept or visit the council website and see if there are any listings for the application - I know all of ours are online. Probably simpler to just call up the planning enforcement officer and make enquiries with him/her.

Let us know how you get on.:thumbsup:
banned#30
moob
Thing is, we don't really know anything, only what the OP is volunteering - there's always more than one side to a story...

It just sounds like there's some kinda vendetta going on here, call it a hunch.


And that's all we can know as we don't have the other side of the story. Why would you jump to the conclusion that the OP is in the wrong somehow, is there some history here?
#31
moob
Sorry to have jumped the gun.

Sounds like from what you've described, they would require permission, as it sounds like they're converting the garage into a dwelling area - there is also the aesthetics of it to be considered.

You will need to either contact the planning dept or visit the council website and see if there are any listings for the application - I know all of ours are online. Probably simpler to just call up the planning enforcement officer and make enquiries with him/her.

Let us know how you get on.:thumbsup:


Yeah, I will call them once all the kids are settled. They freak out the minute I get on the phone. I'm getting concerned about the weight of the bricks now. If they build a wall on top of the central dividing wall between the garages (effectively a triangle on top of the wall) to creat a gable end, will the single brick garage wall be enough to take the weight? Crikey. Their garage is clean and empty, mine is heaving full of stuff I certainly don't want a wall to cave in and destroy it all!

Guess I'll just have to wait until they neighbours get back from work (and the bodgers have gone - I don't want a fight!) and go round being nosey!
#32
Crikey! There's enough bricks being delivered to build an extension!!!! Now I'm REALLY concerned... Surely they need permission for that, and I've checked online - nothing for my entire street. I seriously doubt the garage has the right foundations for an extension on top. Unless they are pulling it down - but she'd have said something to me about that... surely...


EEK.
banned#33
get yaself on the bleeding phone, 3 hours later and still nothing, they could have built a house before you get round to it
#34
Can't see this one ending well.....................(hope I'm wrong though).
#35
Ring the council. Ask for building regulation dept and take it from there.
banned#36
best advice I can give is start a thread on hukd, look stupid, then seek professional advice from your council

these help threads get better by the day

whats next? I cant find my pants, where should I look?
#37
krazie2004
Why don't you phone up the council and find out?


This^^^

krazie2004
Why don't you phone up the council and find out?


This^^^

krazie2004
Why don't you phone up the council and find out?


This^^^
#38
sassie
get yaself on the bleeding phone, 3 hours later and still nothing, they could have built a house before you get round to it


LOL. Just what i was thinking.

csiman
best advice I can give is start a thread on hukd, look stupid, then seek professional advice from your council

these help threads get better by the day

whats next? I cant find my pants, where should I look?


There must be something wrong with me as i love these types of threads. I like to be nosey :roll:
#39
I'm glad I dont live next door to you, extreme nosey neighbour
1 Like #40
pinkleponkle
I'm glad I dont live next door to you, extreme nosey neighbour


Hardly! The neighbours are having building work carried out that could potentially damage her property. Would you turn a blind eye?

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