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new car tax disc rates, valid for cars on or after march 2001, so what about the cars before then?

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8y, 4m agoPosted 8 years, 4 months ago
First let me say I am SICK TO DEATH of environmental issues and taxes, but surely cars older than 2001 are more polluting than ones made after 2001, why are these not taxed?
Are these older cars got to pay the old standard rates?

It wouldnt suprise me if an old 1983 Fiesta is more polluting than a new range rover.
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8y, 4m agoPosted 8 years, 4 months ago
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#1
More so what about non UK vehicles (those from Germany, Eastern Europe, France, etc, which are more common place every day) which have been in the UK for longer than six months (by law after six months they are legally obiged to hav UK tax and MOT, thus insurance)... no one seems to give a monkey about these and some of them don't even look like they'll pass a MOT. Owners of these vehicles are not made aware of this requirement. Surely this would be an easy way for the DVLA and government to make money thru licencing and on the spot fines rather than focusing on permanent UK residents/ vehicle owners!!!
#2
I must say I am aslo fed up with hearing about global warning, I think some of it is that this goverment has got itself in such a financial mess.
Also what I don't understand is that we are told alot of people dont buy road tax for their cars so why not put the cost on fuel and remove the road fund license.
banned#3
Carrekei
I must say I am aslo fed up with hearing about global warning, I think some of it is that this goverment has got itself in such a financial mess.
Also what I don't understand is that we are told alot of people dont buy road tax for their cars so why not put the cost on fuel and remove the road fund license.


already been suggested but i agree with this idea, can only think the government is against it because so many people will save money through this method, and oh it keeps loads of pen pushers in the job while they have road tax
#4
Nice to see mine has gone down! makes a blooming change:roll:
#5
Cars before 2001 are taxed at a fixed rate which may be higher or lower than after the 2001, apparently this is to encourage people to buy newer more efficient cars. I had a '99 Skoda Octavia 1.9TDI which is the same engine they used in the 2001 cars - if I had the 51 plate I would have had to pay 115 pounds but as mine was pre-2001 I had to pay 175+ pounds.

With regards to older cars polluting more, a while back I did read a report on this and they don't pollute as much as you'd think - bear in mind the emissions are checked at MOTs, if the emission rate has gone way high it's likely something has gone wrong and needs replaced anyway as it woud cause other issues such as noise, loss of power etc.

The main difficulty I assume is simply classifying the large range of cars available, while you could simply base the price on the emissions measured from the car at MOT time this would make it difficult to people to find out what tax band the car is in. All cars 2001 and after need to have a published C02 figure.

John
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Johnmcl7;2500798
Cars before 2001 are taxed at a fixed rate which may be higher or lower than after the 2001, apparently this is to encourage people to buy newer more efficient cars. I had a '99 Skoda Octavia 1.9TDI which is the same engine they used in the 2001 cars - if I had the 51 plate I would have had to pay 115 pounds but as mine was pre-2001 I had to pay 175+ pounds.


But is that the case in the future? I just managed to enter my missus car (which is older than 2001) and it still came out with a figure of £210 from next year. Maybe I'm doing it wrong?

With regards to older cars polluting more, a while back I did read a report on this and they don't pollute as much as you'd think - bear in mind the emissions are checked at MOTs, if the emission rate has gone way high it's likely something has gone wrong and needs replaced anyway as it woud cause other issues such as noise, loss of power etc.

The main difficulty I assume is simply classifying the large range of cars available, while you could simply base the price on the emissions measured from the car at MOT time this would make it difficult to people to find out what tax band the car is in. All cars 2001 and after need to have a published C02 figure.



Indeed. My Zafira 1600 - which I most certainly wouldnt class as a gas guzzler, appears to come out with a tax of £270. Apparently, driving less than 4000 miles pa warrents that!!! Hmmm. What annoys me on this, is the fact pre 1957 cars (please correct that year if wrong) is tax free! Now that cant be just. Lets be fair, if someone owns an "old banger" like this, it is probably quite likely to be a guzzler and owned by someone who could afford the tax in any case! Remember mileage driven isnt of significance (as in my one case!) In fact the missus car is driven about 1000 miles pa. It would probably be cheaper to get a taxi!
#7
But is that the case in the future? I just managed to enter my missus car (which is older than 2001) and it still came out with a figure of £210 from next year. Maybe I'm doing it wrong?


I think pre-2001 cars are only done by engine size, if the engine is above 1600cc regardless of any other factor it's charged at the higher rate which probably with increases is around 210 pounds now.

I don't think it's as old as 1957, it's 25 years or older cars which don't need tax. However I would think there's only a small proportion of these cars on the road at all and very few being used as regular transport. If the car is a guzzler the government will get the tax out of the fuel instead which is likely to be higher consumption than an equivalent modern car.

John
#8
Worth a repost... Alfa Romeo 3.0l V6 '99 reg. Tax £185. Seen up for sale at £1500. Now which would I prefer, this or a new eco car. Hmmm tough decision:lol:

http://www.shengis.net/hukdpics/al1.jpg

(mechanics only car obviously pmsl)
#9
i dont understand this... so whats the fixed price for cars pree 2001?
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aaron14danni;2502252
i dont understand this... so whats the fixed price for cars pree 2001?

read the above :whistling:

it depends on car / engine size.
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aaron14danni
i dont understand this... so whats the fixed price for cars pree 2001?


see here http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/car-buyers-guide/cbg_roadtax.html

Cars registered before 1 March 2001
In many cases the emissions test data is simply not available for cars registered before March 2001, so, the rate of VED can't be linked to CO2 emissions. Yet, there are still discounts to be had for smaller cars. If the engine capacity is 1,549cc or less, you'll pay £120 (up £5 from the 2007/8 rate of £115) compared to £185 (up £5 from the 2007/8 rate of £180) per year if the engine's over 1,549cc.

The March 2008 budget report included the announcement that the rate for smaller engined cars will be frozen at £120 per year for 2009/10. The annual rate for cars registered before March 2001 and with an engine size larger than 1,549cc will increase to £200 for 2009/10.
#12
Outrunner
The March 2008 budget report included the announcement that the rate for smaller engined cars will be frozen at £120 per year for 2009/10. The annual rate for cars registered before March 2001 and with an engine size larger than 1,549cc will increase to £200 for 2009/10.


That's all I wanted to know:thumbsup:
#13
Johnmcl7
it's 25 years or older cars which don't need tax.


Used to be. Now its cars registered pre 1972 or something. Forget the exact year. Yet another shafting for people who want to keep out motoring heritage alive for future generations:roll:

Edit: Had a quick google...

2. Are all old (UK) classic cars tax-exempt?

No. Any car built (as opposed to registered) prior to Jan 1 1973 qualifies to be a Historic car in the eyes of DVLA, and as such qualifies for zero rated road tax. Originally the cutoff was meant to be a rolling 25 years, but the current Labour government quashed this, setting the cutoff for Historic status as 01/01/73.


..... :x
banned#14
Johnmcl7;2500942
I think pre-2001 cars are only done by engine size, if the engine is above 1600cc regardless of any other factor it's charged at the higher rate which probably with increases is around 210 pounds now.


Her car is a 1300 Fiesta - but is showing as £210 on that site.

I don't think it's as old as 1957, it's 25 years or older cars which don't need tax. However I would think there's only a small proportion of these cars on the road at all and very few being used as regular transport. If the car is a guzzler the government will get the tax out of the fuel instead which is likely to be higher consumption than an equivalent modern car.
Hmmm. But isn't this tax supposed to be about the environment and encouraging people to be greener? Sounds more like its encouraging the opposite. Anyone got a cheap 1983 car for sale? AFAICS, if its on the road, it should be considered no different to any other car. It should be taxed, insured and MOT'd. There shouldnt be any exceptions IMHO. If they want to go down the "mileage" route, both me and the missus should be quids in. After all - it is meant to be a green tax!
banned#15
Keep hold of your old car for now as the government are considering a compensation scheme for those scrapping older vehicles. I can see the second hand car values going up lol
#16
csiman
Keep hold of your old car for now as the government are considering a compensation scheme for those scrapping older vehicles. I can see the second hand car values going up lol


Yeah, they'll probably offer you £50 towards your new £15K eco-car.

Next question : Who's footing the bill...... (rhetorical obviously)
banned#17
LOL - I'm still waiting for one of this governments famous U-turns.
#18
Lets be honest. They know they've lost the next election. Hell they even steered the way into deliberately throwing it by putting Brown in the driving seat (they're not stupid, the know we're completely ****** so they want out). So what do they do? Make matters as bad as they can for the next lot. Every government does it. If you have to abandon your palace, do you leave it standing for your victorious opponent or burn it to the ground before leaving??
#19
guv;2502404
Her car is a 1300 Fiesta - but is showing as £210 on that site.


I'm not convincecd that site is accurate, according to here the lower rate is still in place:

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?p=12399653

Parker's road tax system calculator seems to put it at the lower rate as well:

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/road-tax/


Hmmm. But isn't this tax supposed to be about the environment and encouraging people to be greener? Sounds more like its encouraging the opposite. Anyone got a cheap 1983 car for sale? AFAICS, if its on the road, it should be considered no different to any other car. It should be taxed, insured and MOT'd. There shouldnt be any exceptions IMHO. If they want to go down the "mileage" route, both me and the missus should be quids in. After all - it is meant to be a green tax!


There isn't really a cheap 1983 car, it's likely to be less fuel efficient than its modern equivalent and require far more maintenance. If the figures were compared for the percentage of cars on the road over 25 years old and those under I would expect the percentage for the former to be so low that it's really a non-issue.

I agree with you on the mileage system which we're slowly edging into anyway with London requiring a congestion charge and more likely to follow - the mileage tax system would simply be an extension of this.

You and I both know the government wants money from car owners regardless of what the reasoning is.

John

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