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New PC problems(2 part)

ryouga Avatar
9y, 5m agoPosted 9 years, 5 months ago
Here we go again, more problems

Anyway PC World sent me a replacement for a faulty PC, finally got it, it worked great, but I wanted to put in own ram, 8600GT, and 2nd DVD burner TV card Wireless card and bigger PSU.

It kept crashing 1 minute into loading(on Vista Home Premium, I took out all the parts I put in,except PSU and wireless card still no luck, tried original PSU no luck.

Today I leave it off all night with same problem, same problem occurs, then I take out wireless card, and for last 30 minutes it has worked and the processor/hard drive whatever makes the in use noises is quiet, whereas before it went non stop, not its quiet and makes no sound.
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9y, 5m agoPosted 9 years, 5 months ago
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#1
Why can't you just leave things alone! :x



:lol:...I have no clue as to whats wrong. You could get a professional to fit the items for you...:? Hope you get it sorted anyway! :thumbsup:
#2
Pcs Are A ****** If U Decide To Swap Parts Out

Be Prepared For A Long Testing Session If Something Goes Wrong
#3
Why would I pay a professional #60 to slot 3 things into PC which takes less than 5 minutes?

Its only the last 2 PC's I have had which have had problem(both from PC world) I upgraded my notebook no problem and my last 3 PC's no problem, I think its just because PC World PC's have shoddy parts.
#4
ryouga
Why would I pay a professional #60 to slot 3 things into PC which takes less than 5 minutes?

Because they won't break it :giggle:

Seriously, can you not take it back and buy a PC elsewhere that doesn't have world in the shop title? :?
#5
Is the fan on the CPU heatsink spinning round? You might need to have a look whilst the cover is off, but its really important that the fan is spinning!
#6
The fans moving normally.

It has been working for 40 minutes now so I guess it is the wireless card causing the problem.
#7
I'd guess if thats the case, Some how the wireless card was shorting out the system, Odd though!
#8
Still working now, all very quiet PC too, strange.

Im making dinner now, so after that I will recconect PCI Wireless card, if PC crashes I know its that.
#9
ryouga
Why would I pay a professional #60 to slot 3 things into PC which takes less than 5 minutes?
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cos you wouldn't be in the mess your in now.

No freebies on this one.
#10
Nope how would a professional have any more luck than me if the card is faulty, and why would I pay them 60 quid for a 20 quid card.

Oh and it looks like it is the card, After 90 minuites of no problems I reinstalled card, and 1 minute later it crashed,restarted, crashed. then took card back out, and its been on 30 minutes without crashing
#11
All a professional would do is fault find exactly the same!
#12
Might be worth trying a different PCI slot for the card, sometimes this can be the cause of the problem.
#13
Iom-RF
All a professional would do is fault find exactly the same!



and find the fault in less than 5 mins instead of hours.
#14
stora
and find the fault in less than 5 mins instead of hours.


5 mins = £60

hours of your own wasted time = Free.

I know which I prefer! :)
#15
Iom-RF
5 mins = £60

hours of your own wasted time = Free.

I know which I prefer! :)


I'd guess if thats the case, Some how the wireless card was shorting out the system, Odd though!



nuff said :)
#16
stora
nuff said :)


:lol: Are you implying I know **** all about PC's?

There are a number of things it could've been!!, I'll leave it to the "expert" though.

All I will say is at least I tried to help, Not point out that a professional would've found the fault within 5 mins :)

Nuff said.
#17
Iom-RF
:lol: Are you implying I know **** all about PC's?

There are a number of things it could've been!!, I'll leave it to the "[SIZE="4"]expert[/SIZE]" though.

All I will say is at least I tried to help, Not point out that a professional would've found the fault within 5 mins :)

Nuff said.


Thank you for the kind words. :p
#18
Tried both PCI slots with same problem, even tried safe mode.

The card worked ok on my old PC of worse specs(and weaker PSU)

Also tried a TV card and dial up modem and both those work on both slots.

Wierd.
#19
Hmmm wierd I think its a bios or driver issue, as if I disable wireless but card is installed Vista is fine, just tells me wireless networks are available, but if I click connect then PC freezes

Similar for TV card, its fine until I use it, i.e I went into the capture mode then Vista froze.

Any advice? I may do a bios flash.
[mod]#20
XP and Vista are two very different beasts. Vista still needs a lot of fixes yet.
#21
Syzable
XP and Vista are two very different beasts. Vista still needs a lot of fixes yet.


:)
#22
What's with all the negativity here? I think it's much better for someone to try and sort the problem out themselves, there's little benefit in paying for it to be fixed every time and learning nothing. Frankly having had to fix PCs that have been looked at by 'professionals' I think you're better looking into the issue before considering whether someone else needs to look at it.

Have you checked your eventlogs? When Windows crashes with the wireless card, what happens exactly?

John
banned#23
Never mind didn't read the OP correctly.
#24
You say the wireless card works with "old" PCs - I assume these PCs are running WinXP or earlier O/S?

I would suggest that the problem is that this wifi card is not compatible with Vista, does it say on the box which O/S it is compatible with?
banned#25
Syzable
XP and Vista are two very different beasts. Vista still needs a lot of fixes yet.

Vista is not that buggy any more why can't consumers understad that?

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Yes its good if the OP fixes the computer them selves they will learn alot from it

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Is the computer crashing when booted into Windows Vista with the wirless network card plugged in?
#26
h4x3r
Vista is not that buggy any more why can't consumers understad that?


Because professionals tell them it is, the media tells them it is, the friendly neighbourhood geeks tell them it is and their own experience tells them it is.
#27
[QUOTE=h4x3r]Vista is not that buggy any more why can't consumers understand that?QUOTE]

U having a laugh? Vista problems I have experienced so far (No bug fixes yet)

1.) Bluetooth Will not work with a whole bunch of hardware including my Sony Ericcsson phone which did work in XP (Causes bluescreen!)
2.) CD Rom drives on several different machines keep "Dissapearing" A hard reset fixes this until it happens again.
3.) The sleep and power functionallity in Vista is terrible. Around 2 out of 20 machines i know of actually is able to use it. Then if u are in sleep and you loose power the likelihood is a reinstall of vista!
4.) Wireless network support is appauling! The number of times I've seen "Local Only" for network connection. Previously on windows XP I never had such problems.
5.) Nvidia Geforce 9x series. People are having SERIOUS problems with Vista if they have a 9x geforce! These range from Green screen corruption to games locking up completely.
6.) Several Pockets PC's including mine not supported in the new windows mobile utility that were previously supported under ActiveSync.
7. ) Big problems connecting to my work VPN connection which works every time on a xp box.
banned#28
wjohnson12321
[QUOTE=h4x3r]Vista is not that buggy any more why can't consumers understand that?QUOTE]

U having a laugh? Vista problems I have experienced so far (No bug fixes yet)

1.) Bluetooth Will not work with a whole bunch of hardware including my Sony Ericcsson phone which did work in XP (Causes bluescreen!)
2.) CD Rom drives on several different machines keep "Dissapearing" A hard reset fixes this until it happens again.
3.) The sleep and power functionallity in Vista is terrible. Around 2 out of 20 machines i know of actually is able to use it. Then if u are in sleep and you loose power the likelihood is a reinstall of vista!
4.) Wireless network support is appauling! The number of times I've seen "Local Only" for network connection. Previously on windows XP I never had such problems.
5.) Nvidia Geforce 9x series. People are having SERIOUS problems with Vista if they have a 9x geforce! These range from Green screen corruption to games locking up completely.
6.) Several Pockets PC's including mine not supported in the new windows mobile utility that were previously supported under ActiveSync.
7. ) Big problems connecting to my work VPN connection which works every time on a xp box.


1) Because you need drivers.
2) More specfic
3) No problem with me
4) Im networking with Windows Vista its better then Windows XP
5) Nvidia need to make better drivers. If you look on there support page they say there making a special section for Vista support
6) Drivers
8) Fix it
banned#29
megalomaniac
Because professionals tell them it is, the media tells them it is, the friendly neighbourhood geeks tell them it is and their own experience tells them it is.


Forget what the media tells you its about your own personal expereince tell me what problems have you had with it?
[mod]#30
Vista DOES still require a lot of fixes. Even Microsoft acknowledge this fact.
#31
Check the website of the wireless card manufacturer to see if there are Vista drivers or information about compatability (or lack thereof) with Vista.

When MS release a new operating system, there will be many driver incompatabilities and older hardware that doesn't work. This isn't a new thing, it happended with Windows XP, it happened with Windows 98 and 95, it happened with Windows 3.1 and it happened with nearly all major releases of MS-DOS.
#32
I agree h4x3r the major problems with vista is not the software but finding vista ready drivers ...as is usual when you get a Windows new OS the software giants would prefer that you purchase their latest software versions that are vista ready rather than make it easy for you to update older versions with vista drivers....my one problem is with Roxio who have made no effort to provide updated drivers.
#33
Vista is crap!, Its pretty to look at but eats 500mb of Ram, Its suppose to be "plug and play" and better support than Xp, My arse it is!!!!!!

Its still in BETA testing realistically.
#34
Remember though that when XP was released 64Mb of ram cost more than 1GB does now. I don't recall Microsoft touting 'better support', they tend not to do that, they promote the support for new things not available in previous versions of an OS - things such as support for 4GB+ ram, improved performance with multi-core CPUs, IPv6 support, all items that were not readily available in XP's release and things that will likely become far more significant in the next couple of years. Just because software may have bugs or unspotted errors does not mean it is in beta testing - no 'perfect' software has ever, or will ever, be created.
[mod]#35
Iom-RF
Vista is crap!, Its pretty to look at but eats 500mb of Ram, Its suppose to be "plug and play" and better support than Xp, My arse it is!!!!!!

Its still in BETA testing realistically.


I actually really like Vista and prefer it to XP. Just like when XP was released it will have all the issues fixed eventually and 3rd parties will eventually get round to supporting it fully. :thumbsup:
#36
I'm with Syzable here, I have both Vista and XP on my laptop and Vista,XP and Ubuntu on my desktop. On my desktop, which has 4GB ram and lots of HDD space/partitions, I almost always use Vista as it has the nicest software and its the easiest one to find what I want on. Its a bit frustrating that my wireless network adapter and X-Fi soundcard don't work as well as they should, but I remember XP's release well and fully expected such problems. My laptop on the other hand I tend to use with XP at the moment, but I'm fairly sure in a few months when some new software/drivers are released and I bite the bullet to upgrade to 2GB I'll make the switch to Vista permanent.
banned#37
currychops
I agree h4x3r the major problems with vista is not the software but finding vista ready drivers ...as is usual when you get a Windows new OS the software giants would prefer that you purchase their latest software versions that are vista ready rather than make it easy for you to update older versions with vista drivers....my one problem is with Roxio who have made no effort to provide updated drivers.


Someone understands

And who ever said Microsoft knows it needs alot of fixes. DOnt make me laugh please, if this was the case the wouldnt of realsed it!
[mod]#38
h4x3r
Someone understands

And who ever said Microsoft knows it needs alot of fixes. DOnt make me laugh please, if this was the case the wouldnt of realsed it!


Of course they know but they are under extreme pressure to reach targets and had to release it just as they did with XP before it was fully ready. It's common practise.
#39
h4x3r
Forget what the media tells you its about your own personal expereince tell me what problems have you had with it?


I'm sorry but Vista's more of a mess than XP ever was (I've used XP since beta with no compatibility issues at all), it doesn't even play nicely with Microsoft's own software. There are massive and well documented problems between Vista and Windows Server 2003 (particularly SP2) for example.

Even simple things like copying files can be painstakingly slow in Vista, in some cases even causing machines to hang. Why? Because it checks every file you copy for DRM policy breaches......and you do not want to get me started on Vista DRM, I hope you are enjoying all your content being downscaled unless you have HDCP compliant connections on your graphics card and monitor. And do tell me how you feel about Vista silently reporting back to Microsoft everyday on what you've been up to?......which, by the way, if it can't do that regularly means you're in breach of the licence agreement (which I'm sure you have all read thoroughly) and seeing as you are so familiar with Vista I'm sure you are also aware that in the case of a breach of terms (which is very easy to do, things you probably take for granted like ripping a CD to your mp3 player breach's M$'s policy's) Microsoft reserve the right to disable pretty much anything they like on your installation ranging from disabling graphics card drivers to fully disabling the OS.

I could go on for hours about the problems Vista has, it may be pretty but it's a nightmare of compatibility, driver, ethical and privacy issues.
#40
wjohnson12321
[QUOTE=h4x3r]Vista is not that buggy any more why can't consumers understand that?QUOTE]

U having a laugh? Vista problems I have experienced so far (No bug fixes yet)

1.) Bluetooth Will not work with a whole bunch of hardware including my Sony Ericcsson phone which did work in XP (Causes bluescreen!)
2.) CD Rom drives on several different machines keep "Dissapearing" A hard reset fixes this until it happens again.
3.) The sleep and power functionallity in Vista is terrible. Around 2 out of 20 machines i know of actually is able to use it. Then if u are in sleep and you loose power the likelihood is a reinstall of vista!
4.) Wireless network support is appauling! The number of times I've seen "Local Only" for network connection. Previously on windows XP I never had such problems.
5.) Nvidia Geforce 9x series. People are having SERIOUS problems with Vista if they have a 9x geforce! These range from Green screen corruption to games locking up completely.
6.) Several Pockets PC's including mine not supported in the new windows mobile utility that were previously supported under ActiveSync.
7. ) Big problems connecting to my work VPN connection which works every time on a xp box.


Seen all of these out in the field. In fact it looks like a list of my daily work sheet. :)

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