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New pupils have to stay until 17

choc1969 Avatar
8y, 3m agoPosted 8 years, 3 months ago
Children starting secondary schools in England this week will be the first to be legally required to stay in education until they are 17.

The rise in the age at which pupils can end their studies is just one of several changes taking effect in English schools this term.

New diplomas for subjects such as engineering and construction are also being phased in.

Head teachers say too many initiatives are being introduced at once.

The increase in the education leaving age is the first such change since 1972, when it was raised from 15 to 16.
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8y, 3m agoPosted 8 years, 3 months ago
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#1
i agree with this. good move
#2
I really don't get why forcing kids to stay in school longer is going to help anything but just lower the employment figures.

A couple of my nephews are just not interested in academia.......or being stuck in a pig sty institution
#3
So, ur old enough to get married and have sex but not to leave school and get a job!!
#4
My little girl was 4 last week and started school yesterday,
She is so little to be starting school, Let them start at 5 or 6 then leave at 17 or 18
#5
ridiculous, just another scam to make the unemployment figures look better
#6
How is it going to work for the MOD? they currently sign people up at 16 - i take it this can't happen util they're seventeen now? or will that be classed as education as they are learning a trade or skill in the service
#7
nlambert;2883308
My little girl was 4 last week and started school yesterday,
She is so little to be starting school, Let them start at 5 or 6 then leave at 17 or 18


Most EU countries their children start later when they're mature enough to cope, this country has got it so wrong
#8
fireexit
How is it going to work for the MOD? they currently sign people up at 16 - i take it this can't happen util they're seventeen now? or will that be classed as education as they are learning a trade or skill in the service


i was thinking the same thing.
Maybe they'll have to leave school and go to one of the MOD'S colleges or something =/
#9
wasnt this in the burner some years ago? im not sure what i think about it, i guess at least its only a year and not any more. I dont see how it will help tho, as mentioned previously..some people just dont want to stay in school.. so what are they trying to achieve? *general question*
#10
I'm starting Yr 9 tomorrow. Does that mean I have to stay until i'm 17.?

Or is it the people who are starting this week in Yr.7?
#11
borolad94;2883373
I'm starting Yr 9 tomorrow. Does that mean I have to stay until i'm 17.?

Or is it the people who are starting this week in Yr.7?


Yr 7 hun, so don't panic :thumbsup:
#12
borolad94
I'm starting Yr 9 tomorrow. Does that mean I have to stay until i'm 17.?

Or is it the people who are starting this week in Yr.7?

i think it would be if u were just starting yr 7.. not sure tho. u may be safe! :p
#13
Think its the ones who have started in Yr 7 - which is my stepson, he prob be chuffed when he comes home today and i tell him! He started back at school 28th August and thinks its ace, how long for i do not know lol
#14
choc1969
Yr 7 hun, so don't panic :thumbsup:


:thumbsup: Thank You! Having Pnic Attack there!
#15
My wife is Bulgarian, she never started school till she was nearly 7, she is an intelligent woman who speaks 3 languages. We have got it all wrong here. Here we are lucky if our children can speak English let alone another language!
#16
Just read, people who start school next year will have to stay till they are 18yrs old!!! Guess we will get child benefit longer lol

Children starting secondary school in England this week will be the first required to stay in education or training until they are 17 years old.

The changes are being made in an attempt to reduce the number of young people who leave school without qualifications.

The mandatory school leaving age will rise again to 18 for next year's secondary school starters.

Ministers have warned that the number of non-skilled jobs in Britain will fall over the coming years, leaving many teenagers unable to get a job if they do not have academic or vocational expertise.

Only around three-quarters of 16-18 year olds are presently in full time education or vocational training.

When this year's secondary starters reach 16 they will have a choice of pursuing education or training at a school, college, or a work-based training scheme or as part of a job.

Those going into employment will have to spend at least one day a week in training.

The school leaving age was raised to 16 in 1972.
#17
amcol;2883413
The changes are being made in an attempt to reduce the number of young people who leave school without qualifications.


Are they going to mind meld the kids in those extra years ;-), what utter nonsense :x
#18
Well yeah it is as some are not academically bright and nothing you can do can change that. My son is Autistic and he is ok in a couple of subjects but is more the hands on type of kid!
#19

I'll give you one reason why this is a stupid idea, let's call him Sean.
I went to school with him and he was person I would have voted most likely to end up banged up, at 15 he was an absolute disaster, he turned up to lessons to create as much havoc as humanly possible. Eventually it all came to a head, his parents, himself and the headmaster had a meeting and it was agreed that he would achieve no O levels or CSE's so there was no point trying and it would be better all round if he just left, the school would find him a decent apprenticeship and he leapt at the chance.
Cut to 15 years later, I get in contact with him through friends reunited and what do you know, he's an IT director, married with 2 kids and thinking of retiring to Spain (he now has the jammy s**). He started out on a printing apprenticeship, worked hard and was asked to help out with the new computer system they were putting in (basically upgrading their printing presses), he shows an aptitude and they put him in charge of it, the company expands and he keeps getting more and more responsibility ending up in his current role.
There's no way in hell he would've lasted an extra 2 years in school, he'd have gone straight off the rails and not bothered turning up (not that he was anyway) but kids like him can't deal with school and they shouldn't have to be forced to as it causes disruption for others.
#20
nlambert
My wife is Bulgarian, she never started school till she was nearly 7, she is an intelligent woman who speaks 3 languages. We have got it all wrong here. Here we are lucky if our children can speak English let alone another language!



Spot on correct, same in most other European Countries, we just throw money at so called education with dire end results.
#21
just read amcol's post abought it increasing to 18 next year. my 10year old is going to have a fit. he starts high school next year and is looking forward to leaving already. I am going to have one hell of a good time if he has to keep going to school until he's 18. This is just insane.
banned#22
17 is a stupid age. Should be either 16 or 18. Its quick clear this is a employment figure massage.
banned#23
my daughter will be nearly 17 when she leaves anyway, missed the previous year by 4 days, but she wants to go onto firther education anyway so it would not have bothered her, but making children do an extra two years that want to be in work is stupid, people will just bunk off if they dont want to be there, just another way of trying to play with figures
#24
amcol

When this year's secondary starters reach 16 they will have a choice of pursuing education or training at a school, college, or a work-based training scheme or as part of a job.



i guess this covers the MOD thing. they can choose to do that instead.
#25
Having been a teacher in a 'deprived' area for 15 years, I have had conversations with 10 year olds who have told me, when asked what they intend to do when they leave school, "when you're 16 you have a baby and get your own flat".

I am also a parent of an 11 year old who began High school yesterday. I think it is a good idea for all 'nearly adults' to receive some further education whether it be A levels or vocational training. Rather than the excuse of some that it isn't worth it because they don't get EMA or the wages for an appreticeship aren't enough, they are all in the same position: parents continue to get child benefit to support their children while the children continue their education.

When I had children, I always assumed they would be at home until they were at least 18 anyway, and that I would support them. This way I know they will also have some skills which they will be able to put to practical use in the workplace, especially if they haven't been particularly successful academically.
#26
and also another way of saving on benefits.. no dole to pay and another year for fathers to pay maintenance to their kids.
banned#27
KERMITZBITZ
and also another way of saving on benefits.. no dole to pay and another year for fathers to pay maintenance to their kids.


:thumbsup:
banned#28
Good policy, lower the unemployed rate hopefully, they might actually go into work at 17
#29
Is this only in England?
#30
Good idea, keep those idiots that can't read and write in school for a little while longer, academic or not you should at least be able to get a handful of qualifications from a tax funded education system.

Or should we have no state education and let the poor get poorer....................I think not.
#31
I think if someone by the age of 16 can't read or write for what ever reason, another two years isn't going to make a difference?
#32
Sorry, i think this is a load of rubbish.

You know if someone is made to either be academic or is made to do a trade, you shouldnt force people to do one or the other it should be a choice.
#33
lisat
I think if someone by the age of 16 can't read or write for what ever reason, another two years isn't going to make a difference?



Private education then, let losers be losers.

What use is someone who can read and write to an employer..........
#34
the__mayster
Sorry, i think this is a load of rubbish.

You know if someone is made to either be academic or is made to do a trade, you shouldnt force people to do one or the other it should be a choice.


What either read or write, you still need both for a trade. :roll:
#35
How many school leavers are unable to read or write?
How many overseas migrant trade workers are currently working without the ability to read or write the english language? Some how they manage and are of use to employers?
#36
lisat
How many school leavers are unable to read or write?
How many overseas migrant trade workers are currently working without the ability to read or write the english language? Some how they manage and are of use to employers?


Fine by that point then, what use is the education system if life is so easy with out being able to read or write. We all know those are the big spenders of society with their lavish jobs and lifestyles, wicked. lmao
#37
Not for one minute am I even thinking we don't need an education system, But we do need to support through the education system the children who are not going to leave with any academic qualifications.
Life for people doesn't end at 16, but for a lot the education they get does.
#38
lisat
Not for one minute am I even thinking we don't need an education system, But we do need to support through the education system the children who are not going to leave with any academic qualifications.
Life for people doesn't end at 16, but for a lot the education they get does.


Back to my original point, the idiots that mucked about, played truant, and end up being gobby little ****'s are gonna be the ones that life ends at 16 but now its 17 and then 18, so its a good idea to keep the idiots in education for a little while longer.

:p:-D:-D:roll::roll:
#39
i dont think its a bad idea, not ideal for everyone but i think on the whole it MAY mean some 'kids' might be a bit more mature when leaving at 18 and be more focused on getting work, alot of leaving kids in our area just end up hanging around in the skate park :roll:
#40
hannah19790
So, ur old enough to get married and have sex but not to leave school and get a job!!


You're old enough to have sex at 16, but not old enough to watch it (porn) until 18!!

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