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New Smoking Law - New York - Good or Bad?

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5y, 10m agoPosted 5 years, 10 months ago
Some of the toughest anti-smoking measures to be adopted in a major city have been approved by councillors in New York.

The measures are set to extend a smoking ban to municipal parks, beaches and even Times Square.

The ban will take effect three months after it is signed by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

It will make it an offence to light up in any of the city's 1,700 parks and along 14 miles (23km) of coastline.
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#1
#2
Great. High time they stopped smoking outside malls and offices here.
#3
Why would/could it be bad?
#4
thesaint
Why would/could it be bad?


Ask the smokers, they won't think it's good.
#5
I guess even more folks will be turning to electronic devices now for their nicotine. Oh well.
#6
great success
#7
PhearFactor
I guess even more folks will be turning to electronic devices now for their nicotine. Oh well.


You get an app for that?!!!
#8
Pretty dumb given the dilution in outside air provided to cigarette smoke means there is negligible risk to any non-smokers if any. Daft.
#9
Good, can't stand smokers, they all stink...
[mod]#10
I think that this is a fantastic idea. For something which people construe as a personal choice (to smoke or not) it should be confined to your own home or non-public places. Passive smoking is a real problem.
#11
Pauladin91
Good, can't stand smokers, they all stink...

you smell
#12
It's a good idea. It may even encourage more folk to give up the stinking habit.
#13
smoking should be banned everywhere apart from in your own home or own car
#14
Excellent idea. About time too. Isn't there meant to be a rule in this country that smokers are meant to be 10 metres away from the door?If so then why are people getting away with smoking in doorways so you STILL have to walk throught it. OOOH and it really pees me off when I see parents smoking with their fag in their childs face!GRRRRRR
1 Like #15
yeah its all very well, but smoking in public open air places being banned is a worrying turn, how long before you can't a pin badge of your choice on your clothes in public or have to pay a sunlight tax for being out too long..........
#16
gemmyw
Excellent idea. About time too. Isn't there meant to be a rule in this country that smokers are meant to be 10 metres away from the door?If so then why are people getting away with smoking in doorways so you STILL have to walk throught it. OOOH and it really pees me off when I see parents smoking with their fag in their childs face!GRRRRRR


I remember my sons first day at school - the first thing he saw when coming through the school gates was a group of parents smoking - and this was also the first thing he saw when the bell went. I complained to the school and they best they done back then was to put out a letter asking parents to put out their cigarettes before entering the school grounds.

I agree with the OP - a great move.
1 Like #17
Alfonse
yeah its all very well, but smoking in public open air places being banned is a worrying turn, how long before you can't a pin badge of your choice on your clothes in public or have to pay a sunlight tax for being out too long..........


probably when pinning a badge of your choice ups the risk of the guy standing next to you getting cancer.
#18
magicjay1986
I think that this is a fantastic idea. For something which people construe as a personal choice (to smoke or not) it should be confined to your own home or non-public places. Passive smoking is a real problem.


How exactly could someone be affected by passive smoke when someone is smoking, say for instance, on a beach?

It's easy to think that people getting the odd whiff of smoke from a smoker may end up meaning they get cancer, when the reality is far from that given the correct dilution factor.
#19
bossyboots
gemmyw
Excellent idea. About time too. Isn't there meant to be a rule in this country that smokers are meant to be 10 metres away from the door?If so then why are people getting away with smoking in doorways so you STILL have to walk throught it. OOOH and it really pees me off when I see parents smoking with their fag in their childs face!GRRRRRR
I remember my sons first day at school - the first thing he saw when coming through the school gates was a group of parents smoking - and this was also the first thing he saw when the bell went. I complained to the school and they best they done back then was to put out a letter asking parents to put out their cigarettes before entering the school grounds.I agree with the OP - a great move.


The school my two go to has a no smoking policy anywhere near the gates and you dont see anyone smoking at all , but another local school i have driven past at home time and theres loads of parents puffing away at the gates and then just throwing there stubs on the floor !
#20
ants97
Alfonse
yeah its all very well, but smoking in public open air places being banned is a worrying turn, how long before you can't a pin badge of your choice on your clothes in public or have to pay a sunlight tax for being out too long..........


probably when pinning a badge of your choice ups the risk of the guy standing next to you getting cancer.


would this be by a busy road, don't need to be smoking then to get lots of nasty carcengens

fail in missing the point too
#21
I think its clear who the smokers are in this thread :)
#22
Alfonse
ants97
Alfonse
yeah its all very well, but smoking in public open air places being banned is a worrying turn, how long before you can't a pin badge of your choice on your clothes in public or have to pay a sunlight tax for being out too long..........


probably when pinning a badge of your choice ups the risk of the guy standing next to you getting cancer.


would this be by a busy road, don't need to be smoking then to get lots of nasty carcengens

fail in missing the point too


if your point was the erosion of civil liberties then I got it, but when the actions of someone has the potential to be harmful to others I think it's pretty fair to ask them to keep their smoking to the confines of their homes or designated areas.
#23
ps if you're all that worried, I hope you don't use planes either, cos of course you all know yout get 100 time more radiation from a trans atlantic flight than a hopsital x-ray, don't you?

Why is it that airline pilots have a high rate of death by cancer.................

Figures from the National Radiological Protection Board show that the average annual dose is 2.6 milli Seiverts - the equivalent of 130 chest x-rays.
#24
ants97
Alfonse
ants97
Alfonse
yeah its all very well, but smoking in public open air places being banned is a worrying turn, how long before you can't a pin badge of your choice on your clothes in public or have to pay a sunlight tax for being out too long..........


probably when pinning a badge of your choice ups the risk of the guy standing next to you getting cancer.


would this be by a busy road, don't need to be smoking then to get lots of nasty carcengens

fail in missing the point too


if your point was the erosion of civil liberties then I got it, but when the actions of someone has the potential to be harmful to others I think it's pretty fair to ask them to keep their smoking to the confines of their homes or designated areas.


so you agree cars should be banned too?
#25
Alfonse
ps if you're all that worried, I hope you don't use planes either, cos of course you all know yout get 100 time more radiation from a trans atlantic flight than a hopsital x-ray, don't you?

Why is it that airline pilots have a high rate of death by cancer.................

Figures from the National Radiological Protection Board show that the average annual dose is 2.6 milli Seiverts - the equivalent of 130 chest x-rays.

nobodys forcing anybody to fly....
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Alfonse
ants97
Alfonse
ants97
Alfonse
yeah its all very well, but smoking in public open air places being banned is a worrying turn, how long before you can't a pin badge of your choice on your clothes in public or have to pay a sunlight tax for being out too long..........


probably when pinning a badge of your choice ups the risk of the guy standing next to you getting cancer.


would this be by a busy road, don't need to be smoking then to get lots of nasty carcengens

fail in missing the point too


if your point was the erosion of civil liberties then I got it, but when the actions of someone has the potential to be harmful to others I think it's pretty fair to ask them to keep their smoking to the confines of their homes or designated areas.


so you agree cars should be banned too?


I never said cigarettes should be banned and as far as I know they aren't.

Although I do believe cars like cigarettes should also be kept to designated areas to minimise the postential risk to others, ie the road.
#27
its silly.
Im not a smoker and i hate smoking. But at the end of the day its a personal choice and outside the dilution is large enough to render the effects negligible.

as has already been said, walking by the side of the road is worse for you.
#28
ants97
Alfonse
ants97
Alfonse
ants97
Alfonse
yeah its all very well, but smoking in public open air places being banned is a worrying turn, how long before you can't a pin badge of your choice on your clothes in public or have to pay a sunlight tax for being out too long..........


probably when pinning a badge of your choice ups the risk of the guy standing next to you getting cancer.


would this be by a busy road, don't need to be smoking then to get lots of nasty carcengens

fail in missing the point too


if your point was the erosion of civil liberties then I got it, but when the actions of someone has the potential to be harmful to others I think it's pretty fair to ask them to keep their smoking to the confines of their homes or designated areas.


so you agree cars should be banned too?


I never said cigarettes should be banned and as far as I know they aren't.

Although I do believe cars like cigarettes should also be kept to designated areas to minimise the postential risk to others, ie the road.


good one forrest
#29
Funny one this thread.

All the moral majority come bleating out about how this is such a good thing and smokers are evil and must be punished, but fail to address any of the scientific hypotheses to rationalise their argument.
#30
This is just nuts. I do smoke and yes I know it stinks, but for gods sake there is no risk out doors its all diluted in the air. The vehicle exhausts probably do more damage than cigerettes do when your outside.

When everyone gives up smoking all you none smokers will end up paying for it.
#31
moob
Funny one this thread.

All the moral majority come bleating out about how this is such a good thing and smokers are evil and must be punished, but fail to address any of the scientific hypotheses to rationalise their argument.


Science doesn't really come into it.

Smoking smells. Smokers tend to dump their butts on the ground. It's ugly and unpleasant. There's plenty of precedent for making unpleasant things that don't directly harm people illegal, so it seems fair enough, and I'm for the law.
#32
If its the law then there's not much people can do about it. If you smoke then you will have to do it in the designated area's. Can't see how they will police it though. Dirty habit anyway :p
#33
dxx
moob
Funny one this thread.

All the moral majority come bleating out about how this is such a good thing and smokers are evil and must be punished, but fail to address any of the scientific hypotheses to rationalise their argument.


Science doesn't really come into it.

Smoking smells. Smokers tend to dump their butts on the ground. It's ugly and unpleasant. There's plenty of precedent for making unpleasant things that don't directly harm people illegal, so it seems fair enough, and I'm for the law.


if science is no part of it then why worry about banning smoking at all........................

n1 u iz well cleva iniot

Edited By: Alfonse on Feb 03, 2011 15:54
#34
What makes me laugh is before the smoking ban was introduced in this country, it never once stopped the non-smokers from entering a smoky pub/club/restaurant etc.


The damge has been done for many people, however i'm all in favour of a smoke free society for the new breed.
1 Like #35
dxx
moob
Funny one this thread.

All the moral majority come bleating out about how this is such a good thing and smokers are evil and must be punished, but fail to address any of the scientific hypotheses to rationalise their argument.


Science doesn't really come into it.

Smoking smells. Smokers tend to dump their butts on the ground. It's ugly and unpleasant. There's plenty of precedent for making unpleasant things that don't directly harm people illegal, so it seems fair enough, and I'm for the law.


Of course it does.

The reasoning behind the prohibition of smoking in certain public places was the exposure non-smokers got which is potentially detrimental to their health. Not because it smells.

Plenty of odours affect people in different ways, I hate the smell of fish, but I wouldn't outlaw the consumption of it in a public place just because I'm offended by the odour, or the people who dump their chip shop wrappers on the streets - causing far more litter than a fag butt.
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transit
What makes me laugh is before the smoking ban was introduced in this country, it never once stopped the non-smokers from entering a smoky pub/club/restaurant etc.


Quoted for inaccuracies
#37
Alfonse
ants97
Alfonse
ants97
Alfonse
ants97
Alfonse
yeah its all very well, but smoking in public open air places being banned is a worrying turn, how long before you can't a pin badge of your choice on your clothes in public or have to pay a sunlight tax for being out too long..........


probably when pinning a badge of your choice ups the risk of the guy standing next to you getting cancer.


would this be by a busy road, don't need to be smoking then to get lots of nasty carcengens

fail in missing the point too


if your point was the erosion of civil liberties then I got it, but when the actions of someone has the potential to be harmful to others I think it's pretty fair to ask them to keep their smoking to the confines of their homes or designated areas.


so you agree cars should be banned too?


I never said cigarettes should be banned and as far as I know they aren't.

Although I do believe cars like cigarettes should also be kept to designated areas to minimise the postential risk to others, ie the road.


good one forrest


nice retort.
#38
ants97
Alfonse
ants97
Alfonse
ants97
Alfonse
ants97
Alfonse
yeah its all very well, but smoking in public open air places being banned is a worrying turn, how long before you can't a pin badge of your choice on your clothes in public or have to pay a sunlight tax for being out too long..........


probably when pinning a badge of your choice ups the risk of the guy standing next to you getting cancer.


would this be by a busy road, don't need to be smoking then to get lots of nasty carcengens

fail in missing the point too


if your point was the erosion of civil liberties then I got it, but when the actions of someone has the potential to be harmful to others I think it's pretty fair to ask them to keep their smoking to the confines of their homes or designated areas.


so you agree cars should be banned too?


I never said cigarettes should be banned and as far as I know they aren't.

Although I do believe cars like cigarettes should also be kept to designated areas to minimise the postential risk to others, ie the road.


good one forrest


nice retort.


well what did you expect by saying that cars should stay on the road, honestly
#39
transit
What makes me laugh is before the smoking ban was introduced in this country, it never once stopped the non-smokers from entering a smoky pub/club/restaurant etc.


Thats not true - speaking for myself here - but the amount of places I wouldnt go to because of the smoke. Also now I can take my son out to more places due to the smoking ban.

I remember being at primary school and the staff room had floods of ciggie smoke coming from under the door!! How times have changed - and for the better.
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Alfonse
ants97
Alfonse
ants97
Alfonse
ants97
Alfonse
ants97
Alfonse
yeah its all very well, but smoking in public open air places being banned is a worrying turn, how long before you can't a pin badge of your choice on your clothes in public or have to pay a sunlight tax for being out too long..........


probably when pinning a badge of your choice ups the risk of the guy standing next to you getting cancer.


would this be by a busy road, don't need to be smoking then to get lots of nasty carcengens

fail in missing the point too


if your point was the erosion of civil liberties then I got it, but when the actions of someone has the potential to be harmful to others I think it's pretty fair to ask them to keep their smoking to the confines of their homes or designated areas.


so you agree cars should be banned too?


I never said cigarettes should be banned and as far as I know they aren't.

Although I do believe cars like cigarettes should also be kept to designated areas to minimise the postential risk to others, ie the road.


good one forrest


nice retort.


well what did you expect by saying that cars should stay on the road, honestly


foolishly I expected you to counter my valid point. Obviously you couldn't and resorted to name calling. Not a very good one at that. I mean, forrest? (as in gump I'm assuming) come on put a bit of effort in at least.

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