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The new switch games, Mario Odyssey, Sonic Mania, Splatoon 2, Bomberman + others

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Having just seen these games on YouTube, I am surprised, fairly satisfied and impressed. More than I expected. Mario Odyssey looks mind blowing, very refreshing, what a great concept to steer Mario…
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1m, 2w agoPosted 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Having just seen these games on YouTube, I am surprised, fairly satisfied and impressed. More than I expected.

Mario Odyssey looks mind blowing, very refreshing, what a great concept to steer Mario in a different direction but it still looks like a Mario type of game.

Great to see Bomberman back on Nintendo, you can't go wrong with that game really. Splatoon 2 is welcome. Sonic Mania however, what a major disappointment, was expecting so much more, a Sonic Maker or something. Nothing we haven't already had before really on 3DS, or Wii U.

What is everyone else thinking?
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#2
Yeah, I'm still to watch the presentation through for the details and release dates for the games, but anecdotally I'm feeling positive about these - the pricing being the only major downside!
#3
Nice thread, especially like all the links. I was hoping for some massive announcement that was gonna be a game changer but it was all pretty expected, the joy con controllers are looking good, but I'm not sure what to make about the games surrounding them.... it could either be something new and fun or something that instantly fails and no one ever uses, we'll have to see. not to sound too negative but mario didn't look that great, seeing him in a big city skipping with two actually humans was a bit weird, I would have rather seen a Mario like Mario 64 or Sunshine. it's not all about the graphics, of course, I know that but a lot of the games didn't look great.. maybe they will Polish them up a bit before launching them. I think it will be a good console, I like the way it's pretty much a massively juiced up game boy. I really hope the online is sorted.. I didn't see much on that at all. Decent and easy ways to play games like mario Kart with friends and actual in game voice chat I think are very important. fingers crossed. Finally, ZELDA looked incredible, that's the main reason for me buying this console, the new clip was just perfect. It launches on my girlfriends birthday which isn't the best, but a lot earlier than we expected. only a month and a bit!
1 Like #4
Because of the online subscription fees, only single player games interest me. So stuff like Splatoon and Bomberman are out no matter how good they are. ARMS looks awful, as does 1-2-Switch. That only really leaves Zelda, Xenoblade and Mario Odyssey as truly tempting titles, which would be fine if they were all launch titles.

Unless they ditch the online subscription there's nowhere near enough to buy one I'm afraid.
#5
Im not too sold on the switch yet in terms of games yet. I feel like it does have potential but quite a few of the games seem to be updated versions of games that were already on the wii u. Theres some good RPGs coming and mario odyssey looks insane but stuff like fire emblem, splatoon, mario kart are already pretty good on the wii u. A lot of the anouncements were stuff I can already get on my ps4 as well. I was hoping for some metroid, f zero and maybe some viewtiful joe or something like that. Maybe super monkey ball as well as arms is clearly just that punching game from super monkey ball. A new no more heroes sounds great but no gameplay was shown yet. The price isn't too good for it either considering. So overall I think i might pick it up in the future but not for release until loads of new stuff comes to the console.
#6
Good links, cheers for posting them.

I'm not sold on the Switch at launch, but it does seem like a really good console. I can see myself getting it when Mario or Xenoblade are released. People are angry at the price, but in reality it seems like everyone is just comparing the graphics of the systems as the benchmark, when the Switch comes with a full on tablet. I was expecting £300, so I'm happy. Plus its about the games, if there are constant releases and it doesn't get shafted out of AAA 3rd party releases (which is less likely since they have similar graphics and no wacky controllers) then this could do pretty well. Be interested to see how they handle online though, not sure on a paid subscription model unless it's cheap or comes with extras, something like an unlimited on demand service for virtual console would be good.

That new Zelda trailer broke me though, I genuinely can't wait for that in the slightest.
#7
Quite like what they have done with the console,but its not for me. I love the franchise and mario party games, So £280 to play 1 game is a bit much even for me. Might have a look ay the wii u and see whats available for that in regards to mario and mario cart.
#8
Gamerofgames
Im not too sold on the switch yet in terms of games yet.

I think you could apply that to every new console release, it seems to have been the case since I bought my first NES.
#9
DKLS
Gamerofgames
Im not too sold on the switch yet in terms of games yet.

I think you could apply that to every new console release, it seems to have been the case since I bought my first NES.


Yeah thats fair tbh. I wouldn't know about nintendo that far back but the gamecube, wii and wii u lineups weren't exactly great although with the wii i think i was just excited by motion controls which I kind of don't like anymore.
#10
I will get Zelda for my Wii U, I would have bitten if Mario was a launch title...
#11
There's a lot of port happening with Disgaea 5, Xenoverse 2 and Tales of games coming to name some. Then there's stuff like the new Shin Megami Tensei using Unreal 4.

But I want to see things that push the systems limits to get more of a scope. Will probably wait till christmas and see how it's developed through the months before making a decision.
#12
Monthly sub like PS+/XBL Gold but all you get is one SNES or NES game per month which it seems will only be playable in that specific calendar month, poor.

Much more expensive than a PS4 or Xbone yet only 32GB storage same as the Wii U which means inferior spec to the other two current gen consoles is guaranteed, poor.

All the big talk of RDR2 would be confirmed as coming to Switch came to nothing, what a surprise, poor.

Zelda being a launch title is about the only thing it's going for it as you can't help suspecting some of the other in-house big hitters like MK8, Splatoon 2 and Mario Odyssey especially will end up being subject to delays.

Alas it's the same old Nintendo and only time will tell if this becomes a success but if the hardware numbers are disappointing the third party support will evaporate within 12 to 18 months and we know where that road leads to......the jury's still very much out.
#13
The hardware sales are never going to be in the realm of XBOX/PS sales. Nintendo will make their money elsewhere, they always do. Sales figures are inevitably going to be low if your comparing Nintendo to the mainstream competition. Belle & Sebastian hardly sell any albums yet they are critically acclaimed and respected in the music world. Is a bit like this with Nintendo really. The success/failure of the Switch should not be judged purely on sales figures.

Edited By: noahsdad on Jan 13, 2017 13:18
1 Like #14
noahsdad
The hardware sales are never going to be in the realm of XBOX/PS sales. Nintendo will make their money elsewhere, they always do. Sales figures are inevitably going to be low if your comparing Nintendo to the mainstream competition. Belle & Sebastian hardly sell any albums yet they are critically acclaimed and respected in the music world. Is a bit like this with Nintendo really. The success/failure of the Switch should not be judged purely on sales figures.

So say the sales are that poor they take such a huge hit financially that it breaks Nintendo forever we shouldn't be judging it a failure or alternatively say the Switch sells 100 mill plus like the original Wii did leaving the PS4 and Xbone standing we shouldn't judge it as a success oO what fxxxing planet are you on geezer?

Nintendo has been 'mainstream' for three decades, they should be head and shoulders ahead of any competition so please PLEASE stop attempting to portray them as the ickle underdog who is incapable of competing, the only reason they aren't competing is because they have been incapable of making the right decisions.

I'm not getting in to another pointless debate/row with you because you love the Nintendo brand more than life itself but the fact is they are a business, every business is there to make money, making ludicrous business decisions costs businesses money which is why they tend to act accordingly to address them when that happens.

Just Nintendo have not been addressing anything for years hence the Wii U failed and if they don't finally start addressing their nigh on corporate suicide issues which are obvious to the world and his dog the Switch will also fail, the numbers don't lie so it's unavoidable reality.
#15
ChrisIW
Because of the online subscription fees, only single player games interest me. So stuff like Splatoon and Bomberman are out no matter how good they are. ARMS looks awful, as does 1-2-Switch. That only really leaves Zelda, Xenoblade and Mario Odyssey as truly tempting titles, which would be fine if they were all launch titles.
Unless they ditch the online subscription there's nowhere near enough to buy one I'm afraid.

My golden rule is 199 never buy a console for above that mark
#16
Chasloyal
noahsdad
The hardware sales are never going to be in the realm of XBOX/PS sales. Nintendo will make their money elsewhere, they always do. Sales figures are inevitably going to be low if your comparing Nintendo to the mainstream competition. Belle & Sebastian hardly sell any albums yet they are critically acclaimed and respected in the music world. Is a bit like this with Nintendo really. The success/failure of the Switch should not be judged purely on sales figures.
So say the sales are that poor they take such a huge hit financially that it breaks Nintendo forever we shouldn't be judging it a failure or alternatively say the Switch sells 100 mill plus like the original Wii did leaving the PS4 and Xbone standing we shouldn't judge it as a success oO what fxxxing planet are you on geezer?
Nintendo has been 'mainstream' for three decades, they should be head and shoulders ahead of any competition so please PLEASE stop attempting to portray them as the ickle underdog who is incapable of competing, the only reason they aren't competing is because they have been incapable of making the right decisions.
I'm not getting in to another pointless debate/row with you because you love the Nintendo brand more than life itself but the fact is they are a business, every business is there to make money, making ludicrous business decisions costs businesses money which is why they tend to act accordingly to address them when that happens.
Just Nintendo have not been addressing anything for years hence the Wii U failed and if they don't finally start addressing their nigh on corporate suicide issues which are obvious to the world and his dog the Switch will also fail, the numbers don't lie so it's unavoidable reality.

I am on planet reality but hey no need to get personal (again/as always). Dude your a known XBOX/PS fan that always brings those consoles into the Nintendo threads and disses Nintendo for a long time now. From your comments past and present I am starting to wonder how much time you have actually found to play Nintendo games and how many Nintendo consoles you have actually played.

To describe Nintendo as mainstream is quite a stretch. It is your favoured XBOX and PS consoles that are mainstream. That is not a dig towards those fine consoles, that is just what the consumer market trends state and what we all (well almost all of us) understand. Nintendo use an entirely different model to Microsoft and Sony, and quite clearly stray away from the mainstream market. Admittedly back in the day Nintendo were mainstream, but it was really just Sega, Atari and Nintendo back in the day. There was no Sony and Microsoft console gaming. You need to recognise the world is not static and it changes, particular the technology and video gaming world!

I suggest you stick to the threads on your favoured consoles, as they have all you have gone on about in the Nintendo threads for the last 2 years.


Edited By: noahsdad on Jan 13, 2017 14:28
1 Like #17
I think I'm going to wait for the first Black Friday/Xmas sales for this, which is a shame as I was ready to hit the Pre-Order button at 4am this morning otherwise.

I kinda hoped for more Wii U ports than just MK8 (I know it's a different architecture but I can't imagine it being too arduous to convert/remaster some of their other first party games) and I'm still not sold on the immediate Year One lineup beyond Zelda and a slightly off-kilter Mario game.

Whoever runs Virtual Console needs a reality check though, and I'm surprised Nvidia haven't had more involvement with their Shield range of games in the system (portable Half Life and Portal = shutupandtakemymoney.jpg), as well as Ninty's range of mobile games like S Mario Run.

£300 with 3 first party games and a decent VC lineup would've been a perfect launch lineup. I hope that such a deal exists around Black Friday/Xmas.
#18
Super Bomberman R

http://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/super-bomberman-r-switch

Features:

Photo-real graphics

X)
#19
Will the console or games be region locked? I'm thinking about importing one from the US while on holiday there later this year.

Edited By: david_wavid on Jan 13, 2017 16:12
#20
If you watch the launch video it says nobregion locking for software,if that includes games idk.
#21
farmeruk1
If you watch the launch video it says nobregion locking for software,if that includes games idk.

Do you have to sync your nob with the console
#22
noahsdad
Chasloyal
noahsdad
The hardware sales are never going to be in the realm of XBOX/PS sales. Nintendo will make their money elsewhere, they always do. Sales figures are inevitably going to be low if your comparing Nintendo to the mainstream competition. Belle & Sebastian hardly sell any albums yet they are critically acclaimed and respected in the music world. Is a bit like this with Nintendo really. The success/failure of the Switch should not be judged purely on sales figures.
So say the sales are that poor they take such a huge hit financially that it breaks Nintendo forever we shouldn't be judging it a failure or alternatively say the Switch sells 100 mill plus like the original Wii did leaving the PS4 and Xbone standing we shouldn't judge it as a success oO what fxxxing planet are you on geezer?
Nintendo has been 'mainstream' for three decades, they should be head and shoulders ahead of any competition so please PLEASE stop attempting to portray them as the ickle underdog who is incapable of competing, the only reason they aren't competing is because they have been incapable of making the right decisions.
I'm not getting in to another pointless debate/row with you because you love the Nintendo brand more than life itself but the fact is they are a business, every business is there to make money, making ludicrous business decisions costs businesses money which is why they tend to act accordingly to address them when that happens.
Just Nintendo have not been addressing anything for years hence the Wii U failed and if they don't finally start addressing their nigh on corporate suicide issues which are obvious to the world and his dog the Switch will also fail, the numbers don't lie so it's unavoidable reality.
I am on planet reality but hey no need to get personal (again/as always). Dude your a known XBOX/PS fan that always brings those consoles into the Nintendo threads and disses Nintendo for a long time now. From your comments past and present I am starting to wonder how much time you have actually found to play Nintendo games and how many Nintendo consoles you have actually played.
To describe Nintendo as mainstream is quite a stretch. It is your favoured XBOX and PS consoles that are mainstream. That is not a dig towards those fine consoles, that is just what the consumer market trends state and what we all (well almost all of us) understand. Nintendo use an entirely different model to Microsoft and Sony, and quite clearly stray away from the mainstream market. Admittedly back in the day Nintendo were mainstream, but it was really just Sega, Atari and Nintendo back in the day. There was no Sony and Microsoft console gaming. You need to recognise the world is not static and it changes, particular the technology and video gaming world!
I suggest you stick to the threads on your favoured consoles, as they have all you have gone on about in the Nintendo threads for the last 2 years.

"Dude your a known XBOX/PS fan" ...... erm what like Elvis is known to be alive n well on the moon you mean?

The irony of what you've said about me yet again is merely emphasising I'm just objective about all the console manufacturers rather than a fan of any because I've also had a couple of PS fan babies including that melt Jay whatever accuse me of being an 'Xbot' :D even had some other dinlow call me a 'Sony pony' not that long ago too.

Why would I be a 'fan' of an electronic games console when nowadays I can't even be bothered to be a fan of the football club I've followed all my life so please stop talking a load of sxxt. Just because you and thousands of other deranged lunatics around the world like you are sad enough to love a specific multinational with all your heart please don't tar me with the same brush.

Just try to remember that by definition of me having NO favoured consoles I got more right to be posting than what you have because I got no bias whilst you clearly have. Jesus Christ, Nintendo could slay every member of your family in a Bowser concentration camp and you'd still defend them and accuse me of having a PS4/Xbone agenda if I brought it up, wise up geezer!

http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z450/Chasloyal/IMG-20170113-WA000_zpsstiw2wjn.jpg

A lot of Nintendo there for such a hater of them wouldn't you say (_;)
1 Like #23
I've pre-ordered.

Nothing about the reveal surprised me and if you'd been following the stories and leaks since it was first announced, then it probably didn't surprise you either.

It was never going to be sub-200 and the few rumours that were along those lines emanated from a couple of random Twitter accounts. It's £30 over the price we expected it to be - I would be very surprised if that was the difference between someone going with this Day 1 or not.

There was quite a lot of crying about the release day games, but I don't see the huge problem. Zelda is there and it looks like we'll have about a dozen games to chose from in the first 6 weeks or so. Always good to remember that there were plenty of ordinary titles in the PS4 release, given that people are so want to compare the two.

Also, there is a lot of brand new hardware there for the money. It's difficult to overstate what an impressive achievement the Joycons seem to be, with the HD haptic feedback. It's a shame that they look so underwhelming, as I think that's helping people to underestimate their capabilities. And this tech also explains the extra cost of the Pro Controller as the HD Rumble is also built into that.

Apart from the lack of 4k, this is sophisticated console and although £279.99 seems a touch on the high side, it could have easily been £300 (and it may well dip to £250 on launch - worth remembering that it's still 2 months until launch).

It's easy to be disingenuous about the price especially when comparing to the X1 and the PS4 - these consoles are nearly 4 years old now and the price when they were released were absolutely astronomical. We're getting a portable console with the processing power akin to the first model XB1 (by a lot of reports) and I'm happy to pay the money for that and support a company I'm passionate about.
#24
Chasloyal
noahsdad
Chasloyal
noahsdad
The hardware sales are never going to be in the realm of XBOX/PS sales. Nintendo will make their money elsewhere, they always do. Sales figures are inevitably going to be low if your comparing Nintendo to the mainstream competition. Belle & Sebastian hardly sell any albums yet they are critically acclaimed and respected in the music world. Is a bit like this with Nintendo really. The success/failure of the Switch should not be judged purely on sales figures.
So say the sales are that poor they take such a huge hit financially that it breaks Nintendo forever we shouldn't be judging it a failure or alternatively say the Switch sells 100 mill plus like the original Wii did leaving the PS4 and Xbone standing we shouldn't judge it as a success oO what fxxxing planet are you on geezer?
Nintendo has been 'mainstream' for three decades, they should be head and shoulders ahead of any competition so please PLEASE stop attempting to portray them as the ickle underdog who is incapable of competing, the only reason they aren't competing is because they have been incapable of making the right decisions.
I'm not getting in to another pointless debate/row with you because you love the Nintendo brand more than life itself but the fact is they are a business, every business is there to make money, making ludicrous business decisions costs businesses money which is why they tend to act accordingly to address them when that happens.
Just Nintendo have not been addressing anything for years hence the Wii U failed and if they don't finally start addressing their nigh on corporate suicide issues which are obvious to the world and his dog the Switch will also fail, the numbers don't lie so it's unavoidable reality.
I am on planet reality but hey no need to get personal (again/as always). Dude your a known XBOX/PS fan that always brings those consoles into the Nintendo threads and disses Nintendo for a long time now. From your comments past and present I am starting to wonder how much time you have actually found to play Nintendo games and how many Nintendo consoles you have actually played.
To describe Nintendo as mainstream is quite a stretch. It is your favoured XBOX and PS consoles that are mainstream. That is not a dig towards those fine consoles, that is just what the consumer market trends state and what we all (well almost all of us) understand. Nintendo use an entirely different model to Microsoft and Sony, and quite clearly stray away from the mainstream market. Admittedly back in the day Nintendo were mainstream, but it was really just Sega, Atari and Nintendo back in the day. There was no Sony and Microsoft console gaming. You need to recognise the world is not static and it changes, particular the technology and video gaming world!
I suggest you stick to the threads on your favoured consoles, as they have all you have gone on about in the Nintendo threads for the last 2 years.
"Dude your a known XBOX/PS fan" ...... erm what like Elvis is known to be alive n well on the moon you mean?
The irony of what you've said about me yet again is merely emphasising I'm just objective about all the console manufacturers rather than a fan of any because I've also had a couple of PS fan babies including that melt Jay whatever accuse me of being an 'Xbot' :D even had some other dinlow call me a 'Sony pony' not that long ago too.
Why would I be a 'fan' of an electronic games console when nowadays I can't even be bothered to be a fan of the football club I've followed all my life so please stop talking a load of sxxt. Just because you and thousands of other deranged lunatics around the world like you are sad enough to love a specific multinational with all your heart please don't tar me with the same brush.
Just try to remember that by definition of me having NO favoured consoles I got more right to be posting than what you have because I got no bias whilst you clearly have. Jesus Christ, Nintendo could slay every member of your family in a Bowser concentration camp and you'd still defend them and accuse me of having a PS4/Xbone agenda if I brought it up, wise up geezer!http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z450/Chasloyal/IMG-20170113-WA000_zpsstiw2wjn.jpg
A lot of Nintendo there for such a hater of them wouldn't you say (_;)

That's great you have a Wii U and a few games, good for you. What is really ironic is a high proportion of those games are anything for which the like you will simply not be able to get on your other favoured consoles. Your other favoured consoles for the brunt of it, produce generic mainstream gaming, and you have a collection of Nintendo games that are not mainstream, however you still consider Nintendo to be mainstream? That sounds confusing...

I don't believe I have ever called u a "Nintendo hater" but I think I may have called you a "XB/PS fanboy" before. Is that the same thing? I dunno, maybe it is? I seem to recall you playing your part on the "Wii U is dead" bandwagon phase when we every Wii U deal was flooded with that nonsense. Some may call me a Nintendo fanboy, and you know what I can live with that, but I challenge anyone to find me dissing other mainstream consoles in their deal posts, while mentioning how much better Nintendo is. I have never done that, just another content Nintendo/non mainstream gamer really.

Now lets see if you can get through a few Nintendo Wii U / Switch related deal threads in the next month or two without bringing up the XB/PS. Consider it a sort of challenge :)

Edited By: noahsdad on Jan 13, 2017 17:01
#25
daanuk
I've pre-ordered.

Nothing about the reveal surprised me and if you'd been following the stories and leaks since it was first announced, then it probably didn't surprise you either.

It was never going to be sub-200 and the few rumours that were along those lines emanated from a couple of random Twitter accounts. It's £30 over the price we expected it to be - I would be very surprised if that was the difference between someone going with this Day 1 or not.

There was quite a lot of crying about the release day games, but I don't see the huge problem. Zelda is there and it looks like we'll have about a dozen games to chose from in the first 6 weeks or so. Always good to remember that there were plenty of ordinary titles in the PS4 release, given that people are so want to compare the two.

Also, there is a lot of brand new hardware there for the money. It's difficult to overstate what an impressive achievement the Joycons seem to be, with the HD haptic feedback. It's a shame that they look so underwhelming, as I think that's helping people to underestimate their capabilities. And this tech also explains the extra cost of the Pro Controller as the HD Rumble is also built into that.

Apart from the lack of 4k, this is sophisticated console and although £279.99 seems a touch on the high side, it could have easily been £300 (and it may well dip to £250 on launch - worth remembering that it's still 2 months until launch).

It's easy to be disingenuous about the price especially when comparing to the X1 and the PS4 - these consoles are nearly 4 years old now and the price when they were released were absolutely astronomical. We're getting a portable console with the processing power akin to the first model XB1 (by a lot of reports) and I'm happy to pay the money for that and support a company I'm passionate about.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Considering the Wii U has held its price so well and still is to this day even, I find it hard to see how the Switch RRP is anything other than reasonable purchase value.

Seth Barton, editor of MCV: "If you look back through, from the N64 to the GameCube, then the Wii and after that the Wii U, Nintendo consoles are like Star Trek films, he jokes - every good one is followed by a bad one."

Interesting comment I just read on an excellent BBC article, Nintendo consoles: A history in pictures:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38595543


Edited By: noahsdad on Jan 13, 2017 17:14: update
#26
david_wavid
Will the console or games be region locked? I'm thinking about importing one from the US while on holiday there later this year.
Nope. :D It's about time they removed it
http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/12/14260716/nintendo-switch-not-region-locked
#27
Not sure,but wonder if this comment gets a reply from another nob.
#28
noahsdad
Chasloyal
noahsdad
Chasloyal
noahsdad
The hardware sales are never going to be in the realm of XBOX/PS sales. Nintendo will make their money elsewhere, they always do. Sales figures are inevitably going to be low if your comparing Nintendo to the mainstream competition. Belle & Sebastian hardly sell any albums yet they are critically acclaimed and respected in the music world. Is a bit like this with Nintendo really. The success/failure of the Switch should not be judged purely on sales figures.
So say the sales are that poor they take such a huge hit financially that it breaks Nintendo forever we shouldn't be judging it a failure or alternatively say the Switch sells 100 mill plus like the original Wii did leaving the PS4 and Xbone standing we shouldn't judge it as a success oO what fxxxing planet are you on geezer?
Nintendo has been 'mainstream' for three decades, they should be head and shoulders ahead of any competition so please PLEASE stop attempting to portray them as the ickle underdog who is incapable of competing, the only reason they aren't competing is because they have been incapable of making the right decisions.
I'm not getting in to another pointless debate/row with you because you love the Nintendo brand more than life itself but the fact is they are a business, every business is there to make money, making ludicrous business decisions costs businesses money which is why they tend to act accordingly to address them when that happens.
Just Nintendo have not been addressing anything for years hence the Wii U failed and if they don't finally start addressing their nigh on corporate suicide issues which are obvious to the world and his dog the Switch will also fail, the numbers don't lie so it's unavoidable reality.
I am on planet reality but hey no need to get personal (again/as always). Dude your a known XBOX/PS fan that always brings those consoles into the Nintendo threads and disses Nintendo for a long time now. From your comments past and present I am starting to wonder how much time you have actually found to play Nintendo games and how many Nintendo consoles you have actually played.
To describe Nintendo as mainstream is quite a stretch. It is your favoured XBOX and PS consoles that are mainstream. That is not a dig towards those fine consoles, that is just what the consumer market trends state and what we all (well almost all of us) understand. Nintendo use an entirely different model to Microsoft and Sony, and quite clearly stray away from the mainstream market. Admittedly back in the day Nintendo were mainstream, but it was really just Sega, Atari and Nintendo back in the day. There was no Sony and Microsoft console gaming. You need to recognise the world is not static and it changes, particular the technology and video gaming world!
I suggest you stick to the threads on your favoured consoles, as they have all you have gone on about in the Nintendo threads for the last 2 years.
"Dude your a known XBOX/PS fan" ...... erm what like Elvis is known to be alive n well on the moon you mean?
The irony of what you've said about me yet again is merely emphasising I'm just objective about all the console manufacturers rather than a fan of any because I've also had a couple of PS fan babies including that melt Jay whatever accuse me of being an 'Xbot' :D even had some other dinlow call me a 'Sony pony' not that long ago too.
Why would I be a 'fan' of an electronic games console when nowadays I can't even be bothered to be a fan of the football club I've followed all my life so please stop talking a load of sxxt. Just because you and thousands of other deranged lunatics around the world like you are sad enough to love a specific multinational with all your heart please don't tar me with the same brush.
Just try to remember that by definition of me having NO favoured consoles I got more right to be posting than what you have because I got no bias whilst you clearly have. Jesus Christ, Nintendo could slay every member of your family in a Bowser concentration camp and you'd still defend them and accuse me of having a PS4/Xbone agenda if I brought it up, wise up geezer!http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z450/Chasloyal/IMG-20170113-WA000_zpsstiw2wjn.jpg
A lot of Nintendo there for such a hater of them wouldn't you say (_;)
That's great you have a Wii U and a few games, good for you. What is really ironic is a high proportion of those games are anything for which the like you will simply not be able to get on your other favoured consoles. Your other favoured consoles for the brunt of it, produce generic mainstream gaming, and you have a collection of Nintendo games that are not mainstream, however you still consider Nintendo to be mainstream? That sounds confusing...
I don't believe I have ever called u a "Nintendo hater" but I think I may have called you a "XB/PS fanboy" before. Is that the same thing? I dunno, maybe it is? I seem to recall you playing your part on the "Wii U is dead" bandwagon phase when we every Wii U deal was flooded with that nonsense. Some may call me a Nintendo fanboy, and you know what I can live with that, but I challenge anyone to find me dissing other mainstream consoles in their deal posts, while mentioning how much better Nintendo is. I have never done that, just another content Nintendo/non mainstream gamer really.
Now lets see if you can get through a few Nintendo Wii U / Switch related deal threads in the next month or two without bringing up the XB/PS. Consider it a sort of challenge :)

So you you would rather I talk about machines like the Mega Drive or Neo Geo than the present competition when comparing current gen Nintendo hardware to competitors then?

Erm that's a 'challenge' the North Korean regime under Kim the young'un would come up with, great stuff (_;)
#29
david_wavid
Will the console or games be region locked? I'm thinking about importing one from the US while on holiday there later this year.
No, no region-locking.
#30
I will reserve judgement until I have seen this product in the flesh tomorrow, although first impressions are underwhelming.
#31
Chasloyal
noahsdad
Chasloyal
noahsdad
Chasloyal
noahsdad
The hardware sales are never going to be in the realm of XBOX/PS sales. Nintendo will make their money elsewhere, they always do. Sales figures are inevitably going to be low if your comparing Nintendo to the mainstream competition. Belle & Sebastian hardly sell any albums yet they are critically acclaimed and respected in the music world. Is a bit like this with Nintendo really. The success/failure of the Switch should not be judged purely on sales figures.
So say the sales are that poor they take such a huge hit financially that it breaks Nintendo forever we shouldn't be judging it a failure or alternatively say the Switch sells 100 mill plus like the original Wii did leaving the PS4 and Xbone standing we shouldn't judge it as a success oO what fxxxing planet are you on geezer?
Nintendo has been 'mainstream' for three decades, they should be head and shoulders ahead of any competition so please PLEASE stop attempting to portray them as the ickle underdog who is incapable of competing, the only reason they aren't competing is because they have been incapable of making the right decisions.
I'm not getting in to another pointless debate/row with you because you love the Nintendo brand more than life itself but the fact is they are a business, every business is there to make money, making ludicrous business decisions costs businesses money which is why they tend to act accordingly to address them when that happens.
Just Nintendo have not been addressing anything for years hence the Wii U failed and if they don't finally start addressing their nigh on corporate suicide issues which are obvious to the world and his dog the Switch will also fail, the numbers don't lie so it's unavoidable reality.
I am on planet reality but hey no need to get personal (again/as always). Dude your a known XBOX/PS fan that always brings those consoles into the Nintendo threads and disses Nintendo for a long time now. From your comments past and present I am starting to wonder how much time you have actually found to play Nintendo games and how many Nintendo consoles you have actually played.
To describe Nintendo as mainstream is quite a stretch. It is your favoured XBOX and PS consoles that are mainstream. That is not a dig towards those fine consoles, that is just what the consumer market trends state and what we all (well almost all of us) understand. Nintendo use an entirely different model to Microsoft and Sony, and quite clearly stray away from the mainstream market. Admittedly back in the day Nintendo were mainstream, but it was really just Sega, Atari and Nintendo back in the day. There was no Sony and Microsoft console gaming. You need to recognise the world is not static and it changes, particular the technology and video gaming world!
I suggest you stick to the threads on your favoured consoles, as they have all you have gone on about in the Nintendo threads for the last 2 years.
"Dude your a known XBOX/PS fan" ...... erm what like Elvis is known to be alive n well on the moon you mean?
The irony of what you've said about me yet again is merely emphasising I'm just objective about all the console manufacturers rather than a fan of any because I've also had a couple of PS fan babies including that melt Jay whatever accuse me of being an 'Xbot' :D even had some other dinlow call me a 'Sony pony' not that long ago too.
Why would I be a 'fan' of an electronic games console when nowadays I can't even be bothered to be a fan of the football club I've followed all my life so please stop talking a load of sxxt. Just because you and thousands of other deranged lunatics around the world like you are sad enough to love a specific multinational with all your heart please don't tar me with the same brush.
Just try to remember that by definition of me having NO favoured consoles I got more right to be posting than what you have because I got no bias whilst you clearly have. Jesus Christ, Nintendo could slay every member of your family in a Bowser concentration camp and you'd still defend them and accuse me of having a PS4/Xbone agenda if I brought it up, wise up geezer!http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z450/Chasloyal/IMG-20170113-WA000_zpsstiw2wjn.jpg
A lot of Nintendo there for such a hater of them wouldn't you say (_;)
That's great you have a Wii U and a few games, good for you. What is really ironic is a high proportion of those games are anything for which the like you will simply not be able to get on your other favoured consoles. Your other favoured consoles for the brunt of it, produce generic mainstream gaming, and you have a collection of Nintendo games that are not mainstream, however you still consider Nintendo to be mainstream? That sounds confusing...
I don't believe I have ever called u a "Nintendo hater" but I think I may have called you a "XB/PS fanboy" before. Is that the same thing? I dunno, maybe it is? I seem to recall you playing your part on the "Wii U is dead" bandwagon phase when we every Wii U deal was flooded with that nonsense. Some may call me a Nintendo fanboy, and you know what I can live with that, but I challenge anyone to find me dissing other mainstream consoles in their deal posts, while mentioning how much better Nintendo is. I have never done that, just another content Nintendo/non mainstream gamer really.
Now lets see if you can get through a few Nintendo Wii U / Switch related deal threads in the next month or two without bringing up the XB/PS. Consider it a sort of challenge :)
So you you would rather I talk about machines like the Mega Drive or Neo Geo than the present competition when comparing current gen Nintendo hardware to competitors then?
Erm that's a 'challenge' the North Korean regime under Kim the young'un would come up with, great stuff (_;)

Are you here all day, that's comedy gold to compare me to the lunatic that is the harsh and unfair "leader" of South Korea. As Nintendo has no competition in its market segment for home console or even handheld (3DS), I just am not sure what the relevance is of bashing it for not challenging the XB or PS.

Your comparing an electric car with a petrol car when you constantly bring the XB/PS into things. Sure an electric car and petrol car both have 4 wheels, and the same purpose of transport and driving. But the 2 things are quite different and clearly different market segments. That electric car sales are minority and petrol car sales dominate the overall car sales marketplace, does not mean electric cars are not a success or a bad thing. If you choose to judge Nintendo consoles by sales compared to other consoles in the gaming market, so be it, I just can't see it as being rationale.
#32
noahsdad
Chasloyal
noahsdad
Chasloyal
noahsdad
Chasloyal
noahsdad
The hardware sales are never going to be in the realm of XBOX/PS sales. Nintendo will make their money elsewhere, they always do. Sales figures are inevitably going to be low if your comparing Nintendo to the mainstream competition. Belle & Sebastian hardly sell any albums yet they are critically acclaimed and respected in the music world. Is a bit like this with Nintendo really. The success/failure of the Switch should not be judged purely on sales figures.
So say the sales are that poor they take such a huge hit financially that it breaks Nintendo forever we shouldn't be judging it a failure or alternatively say the Switch sells 100 mill plus like the original Wii did leaving the PS4 and Xbone standing we shouldn't judge it as a success oO what fxxxing planet are you on geezer?
Nintendo has been 'mainstream' for three decades, they should be head and shoulders ahead of any competition so please PLEASE stop attempting to portray them as the ickle underdog who is incapable of competing, the only reason they aren't competing is because they have been incapable of making the right decisions.
I'm not getting in to another pointless debate/row with you because you love the Nintendo brand more than life itself but the fact is they are a business, every business is there to make money, making ludicrous business decisions costs businesses money which is why they tend to act accordingly to address them when that happens.
Just Nintendo have not been addressing anything for years hence the Wii U failed and if they don't finally start addressing their nigh on corporate suicide issues which are obvious to the world and his dog the Switch will also fail, the numbers don't lie so it's unavoidable reality.
I am on planet reality but hey no need to get personal (again/as always). Dude your a known XBOX/PS fan that always brings those consoles into the Nintendo threads and disses Nintendo for a long time now. From your comments past and present I am starting to wonder how much time you have actually found to play Nintendo games and how many Nintendo consoles you have actually played.
To describe Nintendo as mainstream is quite a stretch. It is your favoured XBOX and PS consoles that are mainstream. That is not a dig towards those fine consoles, that is just what the consumer market trends state and what we all (well almost all of us) understand. Nintendo use an entirely different model to Microsoft and Sony, and quite clearly stray away from the mainstream market. Admittedly back in the day Nintendo were mainstream, but it was really just Sega, Atari and Nintendo back in the day. There was no Sony and Microsoft console gaming. You need to recognise the world is not static and it changes, particular the technology and video gaming world!
I suggest you stick to the threads on your favoured consoles, as they have all you have gone on about in the Nintendo threads for the last 2 years.
"Dude your a known XBOX/PS fan" ...... erm what like Elvis is known to be alive n well on the moon you mean?
The irony of what you've said about me yet again is merely emphasising I'm just objective about all the console manufacturers rather than a fan of any because I've also had a couple of PS fan babies including that melt Jay whatever accuse me of being an 'Xbot' :D even had some other dinlow call me a 'Sony pony' not that long ago too.
Why would I be a 'fan' of an electronic games console when nowadays I can't even be bothered to be a fan of the football club I've followed all my life so please stop talking a load of sxxt. Just because you and thousands of other deranged lunatics around the world like you are sad enough to love a specific multinational with all your heart please don't tar me with the same brush.
Just try to remember that by definition of me having NO favoured consoles I got more right to be posting than what you have because I got no bias whilst you clearly have. Jesus Christ, Nintendo could slay every member of your family in a Bowser concentration camp and you'd still defend them and accuse me of having a PS4/Xbone agenda if I brought it up, wise up geezer!http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z450/Chasloyal/IMG-20170113-WA000_zpsstiw2wjn.jpg
A lot of Nintendo there for such a hater of them wouldn't you say (_;)
That's great you have a Wii U and a few games, good for you. What is really ironic is a high proportion of those games are anything for which the like you will simply not be able to get on your other favoured consoles. Your other favoured consoles for the brunt of it, produce generic mainstream gaming, and you have a collection of Nintendo games that are not mainstream, however you still consider Nintendo to be mainstream? That sounds confusing...
I don't believe I have ever called u a "Nintendo hater" but I think I may have called you a "XB/PS fanboy" before. Is that the same thing? I dunno, maybe it is? I seem to recall you playing your part on the "Wii U is dead" bandwagon phase when we every Wii U deal was flooded with that nonsense. Some may call me a Nintendo fanboy, and you know what I can live with that, but I challenge anyone to find me dissing other mainstream consoles in their deal posts, while mentioning how much better Nintendo is. I have never done that, just another content Nintendo/non mainstream gamer really.
Now lets see if you can get through a few Nintendo Wii U / Switch related deal threads in the next month or two without bringing up the XB/PS. Consider it a sort of challenge :)
So you you would rather I talk about machines like the Mega Drive or Neo Geo than the present competition when comparing current gen Nintendo hardware to competitors then?
Erm that's a 'challenge' the North Korean regime under Kim the young'un would come up with, great stuff (_;)
Are you here all day, that's comedy gold to compare me to the lunatic that is the harsh and unfair "leader" of South Korea. As Nintendo has no competition in its market segment for home console or even handheld (3DS), I just am not sure what the relevance is of bashing it for not challenging the XB or PS.
Your comparing an electric car with a petrol car when you constantly bring the XB/PS into things. Sure an electric car and petrol car both have 4 wheels, and the same purpose of transport and driving. But the 2 things are quite different and clearly different market segments. That electric car sales are minority and petrol car sales dominate the overall car sales marketplace, does not mean electric cars are not a success or a bad thing. If you choose to judge Nintendo consoles by sales compared to other consoles in the gaming market, so be it, I just can't see it as being rationale.

Oh that 'market segment' of the billions of home video games console buyers out there (_;) that must be why you're so desperately trying to compare it to the motor industry I assume.

Please try to remember there are hundreds of car manufacturers around the world whilst there's only three firms that knock out games consoles. So I'm sorry 'dude' but trying to claim Ninty are not competing against the other two is a bit like saying Virgin ain't in direct competition with Sky because they transmit their content through cable rather than through a dish hmmm top logic that.

They've fast tracked the Switch because the Wii U bombed whilst generation before last the Wii sold 100 million plus units so just stop trying to claim they're only interested in a 'market segment' :D it's about as credible as Arsenal fans giving it the they don't care about winning stuff because they wouldn't want to spend the hundreds of millions Chelsea, City and United have available to achieve success.

Market segments hahaha fxxk me it's like listening to Reggie whatever he's called spinning yarns at a media event, you know chimp face matey from Nintendo America. The same sort of tripe fatty Abbott churns out when making excuses for her mate lost cause Corbyn.......do you really believe any of the bollxxxs you've said there or just come out with it because of your unconditional loyalty to the brand?

As for am I here all day, erm looking at the times of the posts it seems to show you're the one replying nigh on instantly every single time, not me (_;) perhaps a wee bit more evidence to suggest that those who reside in Nintendo world really do seem to have a parallel universe existence.
#33
Chasloyal
noahsdad
Chasloyal
noahsdad
Chasloyal
noahsdad
Chasloyal
noahsdad
The hardware sales are never going to be in the realm of XBOX/PS sales. Nintendo will make their money elsewhere, they always do. Sales figures are inevitably going to be low if your comparing Nintendo to the mainstream competition. Belle & Sebastian hardly sell any albums yet they are critically acclaimed and respected in the music world. Is a bit like this with Nintendo really. The success/failure of the Switch should not be judged purely on sales figures.
So say the sales are that poor they take such a huge hit financially that it breaks Nintendo forever we shouldn't be judging it a failure or alternatively say the Switch sells 100 mill plus like the original Wii did leaving the PS4 and Xbone standing we shouldn't judge it as a success oO what fxxxing planet are you on geezer?
Nintendo has been 'mainstream' for three decades, they should be head and shoulders ahead of any competition so please PLEASE stop attempting to portray them as the ickle underdog who is incapable of competing, the only reason they aren't competing is because they have been incapable of making the right decisions.
I'm not getting in to another pointless debate/row with you because you love the Nintendo brand more than life itself but the fact is they are a business, every business is there to make money, making ludicrous business decisions costs businesses money which is why they tend to act accordingly to address them when that happens.
Just Nintendo have not been addressing anything for years hence the Wii U failed and if they don't finally start addressing their nigh on corporate suicide issues which are obvious to the world and his dog the Switch will also fail, the numbers don't lie so it's unavoidable reality.
I am on planet reality but hey no need to get personal (again/as always). Dude your a known XBOX/PS fan that always brings those consoles into the Nintendo threads and disses Nintendo for a long time now. From your comments past and present I am starting to wonder how much time you have actually found to play Nintendo games and how many Nintendo consoles you have actually played.
To describe Nintendo as mainstream is quite a stretch. It is your favoured XBOX and PS consoles that are mainstream. That is not a dig towards those fine consoles, that is just what the consumer market trends state and what we all (well almost all of us) understand. Nintendo use an entirely different model to Microsoft and Sony, and quite clearly stray away from the mainstream market. Admittedly back in the day Nintendo were mainstream, but it was really just Sega, Atari and Nintendo back in the day. There was no Sony and Microsoft console gaming. You need to recognise the world is not static and it changes, particular the technology and video gaming world!
I suggest you stick to the threads on your favoured consoles, as they have all you have gone on about in the Nintendo threads for the last 2 years.
"Dude your a known XBOX/PS fan" ...... erm what like Elvis is known to be alive n well on the moon you mean?
The irony of what you've said about me yet again is merely emphasising I'm just objective about all the console manufacturers rather than a fan of any because I've also had a couple of PS fan babies including that melt Jay whatever accuse me of being an 'Xbot' :D even had some other dinlow call me a 'Sony pony' not that long ago too.
Why would I be a 'fan' of an electronic games console when nowadays I can't even be bothered to be a fan of the football club I've followed all my life so please stop talking a load of sxxt. Just because you and thousands of other deranged lunatics around the world like you are sad enough to love a specific multinational with all your heart please don't tar me with the same brush.
Just try to remember that by definition of me having NO favoured consoles I got more right to be posting than what you have because I got no bias whilst you clearly have. Jesus Christ, Nintendo could slay every member of your family in a Bowser concentration camp and you'd still defend them and accuse me of having a PS4/Xbone agenda if I brought it up, wise up geezer!http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z450/Chasloyal/IMG-20170113-WA000_zpsstiw2wjn.jpg
A lot of Nintendo there for such a hater of them wouldn't you say (_;)
That's great you have a Wii U and a few games, good for you. What is really ironic is a high proportion of those games are anything for which the like you will simply not be able to get on your other favoured consoles. Your other favoured consoles for the brunt of it, produce generic mainstream gaming, and you have a collection of Nintendo games that are not mainstream, however you still consider Nintendo to be mainstream? That sounds confusing...
I don't believe I have ever called u a "Nintendo hater" but I think I may have called you a "XB/PS fanboy" before. Is that the same thing? I dunno, maybe it is? I seem to recall you playing your part on the "Wii U is dead" bandwagon phase when we every Wii U deal was flooded with that nonsense. Some may call me a Nintendo fanboy, and you know what I can live with that, but I challenge anyone to find me dissing other mainstream consoles in their deal posts, while mentioning how much better Nintendo is. I have never done that, just another content Nintendo/non mainstream gamer really.
Now lets see if you can get through a few Nintendo Wii U / Switch related deal threads in the next month or two without bringing up the XB/PS. Consider it a sort of challenge :)
So you you would rather I talk about machines like the Mega Drive or Neo Geo than the present competition when comparing current gen Nintendo hardware to competitors then?
Erm that's a 'challenge' the North Korean regime under Kim the young'un would come up with, great stuff (_;)
Are you here all day, that's comedy gold to compare me to the lunatic that is the harsh and unfair "leader" of South Korea. As Nintendo has no competition in its market segment for home console or even handheld (3DS), I just am not sure what the relevance is of bashing it for not challenging the XB or PS.
Your comparing an electric car with a petrol car when you constantly bring the XB/PS into things. Sure an electric car and petrol car both have 4 wheels, and the same purpose of transport and driving. But the 2 things are quite different and clearly different market segments. That electric car sales are minority and petrol car sales dominate the overall car sales marketplace, does not mean electric cars are not a success or a bad thing. If you choose to judge Nintendo consoles by sales compared to other consoles in the gaming market, so be it, I just can't see it as being rationale.
Oh that 'market segment' of the billions of home video games console buyers out there (_;) that must be why you're so desperately trying to compare it to the motor industry I assume.
Please try to remember there are hundreds of car manufacturers around the world whilst there's only three firms that knock out games consoles. So I'm sorry 'dude' but trying to claim Ninty are not competing against the other two is a bit like saying Virgin ain't in direct competition with Sky because they transmit their content through cable rather than through a dish hmmm top logic that.
They've fast tracked the Switch because the Wii U bombed whilst generation before last the Wii sold 100 million plus units so just stop trying to claim they're only interested in a 'market segment' :D it's about as credible as Arsenal fans giving it the they don't care about winning stuff because they wouldn't want to spend the hundreds of millions Chelsea, City and United have available to achieve success.
Market segments hahaha fxxk me it's like listening to Reggie whatever he's called spinning yarns at a media event, you know chimp face matey from Nintendo America. The same sort of tripe fatty Abbott churns out when making excuses for her mate lost cause Corbyn.......do you really believe any of the bollxxxs you've said there or just come out with it because of your unconditional loyalty to the brand?
As for am I here all day, erm looking at the times of the posts it seems to show you're the one replying nigh on instantly every single time, not me (_;) perhaps a wee bit more evidence to suggest that those who reside in Nintendo world really do seem to have a parallel universe existence.

Your just mental you are, but each to their own. I mentioned the music industry and low selling Belle & Sebastian as an example before. It is quite clear that I could give you 100 examples and not help you understand.

Please at least recognise your are the one who turns Nintendo threads into something else and brings your favoured XB/PS to the table.

You talk a lot of rubbish and I don't wish to talk to you anymore, so please by all means have the last words.
#34
noahsdad

Your just mental you are, but each to their own. I mentioned the music industry and low selling Belle & Sebastian as an example before. It is quite clear that I could give you 100 examples and not help you understand.
Please at least recognise your are the one who turns Nintendo threads into something else and brings your favoured XB/PS to the table.
You talk a lot of rubbish and I don't wish to talk to you anymore, so please by all means have the last words.

Reading through this thread, I will choose to have the words here instead.

Firstly calling someone "mental" for having reasoned opinion rather than the fanboyish rantings of yourself is hardly going to win you any favours...now onto my own reasoned opinion and disagreement....

Really cannot understand that you are trying to compare the music industry to the gaming industry, it simply just does not compare.

An artist whether they are signed to a corporate label or an independent label gets royalties from sales. The corporates take a bigger cut, requiring greater sales. The main differences for artists themselves is whether or not they are willing to compromise their art, there are artists that have transferred over from independent labels to mainstream that have not fared as well.....Belle And Sebastian are an example of an artist on one of the biggest independent labels in Rough Trade.

Whether or not within the gaming industry the big players be it Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft have a USP they are all geared to maximise profits as businesses. The art is left to the software houses, and whilst Nintendo are known for quality in house franchises and being bold in attempting innovation with hardware it is unit sales that matter, and one of the reasons why in just over 4 years they are releasing the Nintendo Switch and quietly killing off the Wii U which has been the most disastrous in sales eclipsing the Gamecube.

Despite it being far better than the existing Wii which was a pitiful hardware 'upgrade' from the Gamecube with novelty motion controllers that somehow captured the hearts of casuals and many third party shovelware titles which were hardly "art", Nintendo happily raked in the profits.

Secondly, as I stated earlier in this thread, I would reserve judgement until I had seen the product in the flesh and now I have my opinion on the limited amount of time I had with the Nintendo Switch has not altered from being underwhelmed......

I can understand that anyone that has not had a console upgrade since 2006 with the Wii the "wow" factor with the visuals will be more impressive, for anyone that has owned a Wii U, like myself, its underwhelming.

Whilst I "get" what Nintendo are doing, attempting to incorporate all their previous innovations into one console I feel its a case of jack of all trades, master of none.

The good, gorgeous screen, a lot more compact than I anticipated, solidly built tablet making the Wii U tablet controller feel somewhat Fisher Price-like. The joycon has very impressive vibration sensors, most notably impressive in the 1-2 Switch title where it had you guessing by rotating a box on the screen how many marbles were rolling inside by way of feel. It works very well.

The IR Motion detection works wonders, in games like "Arms" or any of the 1-2 Switch titles the joycons simply worked as well if not better than previously.

The NFC reader is handily embedded under the right analogue stick.

Never before have we seen the likes of a (semi) portable gaming system with such gaming capabilities this system has and that is impressive.

Having USB C especially with mediocre battery life is fantastic providing you can find sources for power on the move or take a portable battery charger with you.

Now for the bad, and I can think of way more....

For a home based console on the TV it is seriously underwhelming, this most certainly for this generation is totally underpowered, leaving Nintendo with a gamble the same as the transition between the Gamecube to the Wii relying on its USP of transitional play facility, I hope it works but it is a big gamble.

As a portable device, once you have clipped on the joycons, it most certainly is something to throw in a rucksack and take with you device (protected of course) like a tablet, but nowhere near the same in vain to a "true" handheld console.

As a portable console, it is bulky obviously in comparison to the tried and tested dedicated handheld consoles Nintendo have released and been successful with over the years.....yet another gamble.......Wii U 4 years old, quietly killed off (Wii lasted 6 years), 3DS now 6 years old..surely Nintendo should have been thinking about its successor, especially considering its sales? Not everyone is really happy to want to carry around a tablet slate for portable gaming, which like I said earlier, jack of all trades, master of none.

The joycon controllers feel terrible handled as nunchucks in use in games like "Arms" and the novelty 1-2 Switch titles which are as gimmicky as the shovelware that was out on the Wii...and really should come bundled as standard. They are small (and I only have medium size 8 hands) and the buttons tiny, the SL and SR buttons are woeful. Whilst feeling comfortable enough in the joycon grip the xyab buttons are ridiculously tiny for standard gaming on a TV, same with the identical sized directional buttons.

Its marketed price is putting off consumers, not to mention the game prices alongside the joycon pricing. Clearly the technology with the HD vibration has hiked the price of manufacture. If software houses do not take advantage of such tech then it could face the same criticism as the Wii U with its costly manufacture of the gamepad that was under utilised in many games as an additional screen.

The (to its credit) strength of third party software houses currently is impressive, but how long will that last? Certainly will not be seeing many ports of current third party PS4/Xbox One titles, with storage on the gamecards being around 16GB and it having only 32GB internal memory, you can kiss goodbye to the likes of even last gen ports of GTA V. Unless sales are successful, third party software companies like lazy ports for the cash rather than creating third party exclusives, I can see this being a big problem.

I would love to see Mario Kart 9 on a home console with far more graphical clout than the Switch can deliver....if the Switch succeeds and has a 4-6 year life span I cannot say I am going to be impressed with the subsequent delay like we had of 10 years between Gamecube and the Wii U to see a significant graphical overhaul.

Personally I would have preferred Nintendo concentrate their efforts on a dedicated portable console with Wii U graphics as a successor to the 3DS, and focused their attentions on a home console that can push the boundaries.

If the Switch fails to be successful, Nintendo are going to have to desperately come up with a successor to their hugely successful handhelds which have kept them afloat.

It is a worrying time for Nintendo, a gamble as an interested multiformat gamer I am not sure how I want it to pan out. I would hate to see Nintendo go the same way as Sega on the one hand, yet on the other would love to see the likes of a Zelda or Mario Kart title on hardware with far more grunt than the current Wii U and I certainly do not relish the thought of it being until at least 2020 before that happens.
#35
cicobuff
Firstly calling someone "mental" for having reasoned opinion rather than the fanboyish rantings of yourself is hardly going to win you any favours...now onto my own reasoned opinion and disagreement....

I am going to call you out on that statement/comment. You have not fairly put the comment in context.

1. the guy has serious form for bringing his favoured consoles into the Nintendo threads and generally putting Nintendo down with great frequency.
2. more importantly and just for starters, the guy compared me to the generally considered rather nutty leader of South Korea. And I responded with him being mental, to that.

Am just saying, lets put things in context and not present the information in the wrong fashion to increase the validity of a point one is trying to make. What I will add, is although it should be obvious I am not literally calling the chap a mental person. I would recognise its a rather PC world just now however and could have chosen better words to make my own point. At the end of the day mental health is a serious issue, and I have no intentions to upset or offend anyone who is or knows others affected in anyway.

To street back on topic now, I really can't see Nintendo going the way of Sega. That would mean Nintendo just remoulding as nothing more than a games developer and Mario/Zelda etc just appearing on XB/PS. A bookie would offer you some odds on that?!

Also Sega had good franchise characters but never marketed or developed them properly. As far back as the excellent Alex Kidd In Miracle World (8-bit SMS) they were onto a real winner there. But they steered it all wrongly, and rushed into several rubbishy follow up Alex Kidd games with no direction. I don't really think they ever managed the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise as well as they could have either. They had something very solid to build on after the 8-bit/16-bit Sonic 1+2 games. It could have been a genuine rival to the Mushroom Kingdom franchise, but it just never happened.

Edited By: noahsdad on Jan 18, 2017 09:27
#36
IMO another overpriced console from Nintendo, I used to love playing ninty games, from the NES to the Gamecube, they went downhill after the GC...

The Wii was briefly fun, didn't bother with the Wii U, overpriced, but that'll be for the tech they used.

And now we have the switch £280 without a game, in today's market that is highly overpriced £200 would probably still be too much.

I have pre ordered one, but whether I'll keep it or not remains to be seen
#37
noahsdad

I am going to call you out on that statement/comment. You have not fairly put the comment in context.
1. the guy has serious form for bringing his favoured consoles into the Nintendo threads and generally putting Nintendo down with great frequency.
2. more importantly and just for starters, the guy compared me to the generally considered rather nutty leader of South Korea. And I responded with him being mental, to that.

No you did not, you quoted an entirely different response and called him mental, with reference to his comment, he compared your illogical responses as being like a challenge the REGIME under the North Korean leader would come up with. That is not directly comparing, just making a quip out of your responses which frankly to me is amusing given your input in your thread here.

The guy clearly showed he is a multiformat gamer, like myself. To criticise rather than defend shows way more than being delusional.

noahsdad
Am just saying, lets put things in context and not present the information in the wrong fashion to increase the validity of a point one is trying to make. What I will add, is although it should be obvious I am not literally calling the chap a mental person. I would recognise its a rather PC world just now however and could have chosen better words to make my own point. At the end of the day mental health is a serious issue, and I have no intentions to upset or offend anyone who is or knows others affected in anyway.

Fair enough, at least you can see that what you meant was not in context of literally calling the guy "mental", now try putting in context other comments that are not direct comparisons to yourself, rather a quip at your comments.

noahsdad
To street back on topic now, I really can't see Nintendo going the way of Sega. That would mean Nintendo just remoulding as nothing more than a games developer and Mario/Zelda etc just appearing on XB/PS. A bookie would offer you some odds on that?!

Well, it would hardly be the first time that Nintendo titles have appeared on other formats, back when they were developing for arcades, plenty of home console/computer ports were done.

If the Switch succeeds, what happens to sales of their currently profitable handheld division? With a structure including a paid online subscription vs free consumers that currently own Wii U and 3DS have confusingly award choices to make, I for one remain baffled.

Stick with a highly portable device that is dated, and benefit from free online play. 'Upgrade' to a less portable device that will have to be handled with kid gloves and pay for online access.

'Upgrade' from a Wii U to a console with minor graphical improvements but with no backward compatibility (at least as far as physical discs go) whether eshop Wii U titles appear is an unknown, and then have to pay for the privilege of extra joycon controllers for local multiplayer on Mario Kart 8 deluxe of which you have to then pay for online access.

Nintendo are taking a huge, huge gamble on the Switch and its success. If it does fail, what then for Nintendo? They would have to go the way Sega went or abandon the market altogether. I don't think mass sales of Hanafuda cards in the 21st Century is going to cut it.

noahsdad
Also Sega had good franchise characters but never marketed or developed them properly. As far back as the excellent Alex Kidd In Miracle World (8-bit SMS) they were onto a real winner there. But they steered it all wrongly, and rushed into several rubbishy follow up Alex Kidd games with no direction. I don't really think they ever managed the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise as well as they could have either. They had something very solid to build on after the 8-bit/16-bit Sonic 1+2 games. It could have been a genuine rival to the Mushroom Kingdom franchise, but it just never happened.

For all the mascot battles between Sonic and Mario, Sega and Nintendo were very different beasts. Nintendo moving away from arcade coin-op, Sega very much relying on it and eventually getting parity between arcade and home console with the dreamcast, which whilst a fantastic console for its time with some great arcade conversions and exclusives.

Sega did the right think switching from Alex Kidd to Sonic as the mascot at the time, having a similar platform game to Mario as direct competition would not have been a good thing. Sega really screwed up with the 32X and the Saturn was unfortunate timing against the likes of the Playstation.


Edited By: cicobuff on Jan 18, 2017 12:11
#38
fwibble
IMO another overpriced console from Nintendo, I used to love playing ninty games, from the NES to the Gamecube, they went downhill after the GC...

The Wii was briefly fun, didn't bother with the Wii U, overpriced, but that'll be for the tech they used.

And now we have the switch £280 without a game, in today's market that is highly overpriced £200 would probably still be too much.

I have pre ordered one, but whether I'll keep it or not remains to be seen

As you never owned a Wii U chances are you would find it appealing providing you are prepared to pay for online gaming and the expensive cost of extra controllers if required.

If you pre-ordered on the price promise of £198.50 at Gameseek then seriously consider it, otherwise at least from my own hands on experience with it, whilst a quality build, the joycon ergonomics are questionable, the launch lineup is not great and the 1-2 Switch games should have been like Wii Sports..bundled, and even then they are shovelware....

To think, my first experience of the Switch and its joycon controllers was milking a cow. :|
#40
cicobuff
Sega did the right think switching from Alex Kidd to Sonic as the mascot at the time, having a similar platform game to Mario as direct competition would not have been a good thing. Sega really screwed up with the 32X and the Saturn was unfortunate timing against the likes of the Playstation.

I am not gonna argue with you on all your other many non gaming "points", whatever they are...

Re Sega switching from Alex Kidd to Sonic as the mascot, I can't say I saw that was how it played out at all. They had blown the opportunities with Alex Kidd long before Sonic was even on the scene. AK & The Lost Stars, and AK in Hi-Tech World were churned out on the SMS far to quickly on the SMS. There were both quite disappointing and to me dreadful sequels. I don't recall the exact time frame now, but AK Enchanted World (Megadrive) and AK Shinobi World (SMS) possibly post dated the first Sonic. But AK was long gone as a franchise/mascot by that time. I suppose AK Shinobi World was the first decent AK game since Miracle World.

Any-hoo they also had Wonderboy which was a big success on SMS and arcade. Rather than just having the one franchise mascot, they sort of had 2 in a way. And Wonderboy like AK never kept a steady pattern or consistent approach. By the time they had got to Wonderboy 3: The Dragons Trap on SMS it was a semi platform-come-puzzle-come-RPG sort of game. It was good to be fair.

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