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as the title says, it really annoys me off when anyone calls our NHS. my mum is almost 81 years old and she has C.O.P.D and severe panic attacks. 2 days ago were became aware that she had a very ba… Read More
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3m, 3w agoPosted 3 months, 3 weeks ago
as the title says, it really annoys me off when anyone calls our NHS.
my mum is almost 81 years old and she has C.O.P.D and severe panic attacks.
2 days ago were became aware that she had a very bad chest infection, pneumonia being part of it.
within 1 day we had paramedics, then 2 hours later a Dr, then another paramedic who took her to hospital.
she is now recovering in Leicester LRI, where she is being looked after and treated like the queen.
she receives 3 nutritious meals a day from a menu of so many different meals,drinks and deserts.
the Dr's and Nurses there are working around the clock, some on 12 hour shifts for a pittance, and there all doing it because they care.
how can anyone tell me we dont have the best health, and all for a tiny.... tiny deducted from our wages each week.
god bless our NHS and the thousands of staff that keep it running 24/7 365 days a year
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how dare someone have a differing opinion than you who may have had an entirely different experience with the nhs.

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I agree. I think that most people have a problem because of waiting lists and also the in-ability to get an appointment with their GP without phoning constantly at 08:00am.
#2
hear hear
#3
I agree with you. We're lucky to have the service we do.
banned 1 Like #4
the NHS is good in places and bad in places, I have family working for NHS and they say it's terrible, a family member of mine suffered stroke like symptoms we went to see them it took till she was too poorly to talk or move to do anything and kept trying to guess her diagnosis till it was too late to treat they sent her to a care home saying she had 2 weeks to live this was in October so yeah NHS is poor
8 Likes #5
how dare someone have a differing opinion than you who may have had an entirely different experience with the nhs.
1 Like #6
I agree, the elderly are taken care of brilliantly. Working age people - not so.
#7
I've had good and bad experiences with them.

Sometimes I find the staff unnecessarily rude and obnoxious, others they are polite and friendly.

It's not so much the NHS as a whole but more the people who work there, some good, some bad.
Opinions will all be based on personal experience.

If you had asked me a few years ago I would have said the NHS treated me awfully, but since then I have had some good experiences so swings and roundabouts.
#8
Terrible if you are trans.
#9
We are very lucky for the NHS and the amazing staff that make it!
banned#10
Our wonderful NHS is responsible for the premature death of my father-in-law & nearly resulted in the deaths of my two sons & my ex-wife.

Sorry if I dont feel the same "appreciation"

I could go on & repeat what I saw in the wards when my mother was dying too. Disgraceful

Edited By: YouDontWantToKnow on Mar 02, 2017 11:46
#11
NHS is like a mobile phone company. Service is great in some places and terrible in others. Fortunately there does appear to be a genuine impetus to generally improve, and this improvement would likely be accelerated if the taxpayer chose to afford it, but let's not open that can. Glad it worked for your family.
2 Likes #12
the largest employer in the UK does not pay all its staff a pittance, in fact some contract staff are raking in the cash!

no one or organization is beyond reasonable discussion or criticism.
2 Likes #13
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#14
We sat in A&E on Monday with our eldest for 6 hours at our local city hospital. There was no hurry doctors standing around joking at the reception desk while kids including babies were in tears at one stage there was 6 doctors and many nurses standing around talking for 30 minutes and you could hear they weren't talking about patients. Our doctor had sent us up there after seeing him a few hours earlier. He had rang and said we needed to see a neurologist and they were expecting us got there and there was no neurologist even on call. An hour and a half to take blood from my daughter, doctor telling her he was so exhausted, he even forgot to tell us he was admitting her.

Yes the NHS is amazing but it's so badly ran it needs serious help and quickly. We have experienced our local smaller hospital A&E recently as well and 3 hours plus visit but at least they kept us up to date. Monday was a nightmare in comparison.
1 Like #15
With £116,000,000,000 per year spend with billions of transactions or procedures, the specific service that any one actually experiences at any one point in time is impossible to generalise across the board.
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All one can do is to pass on our personal bitter or sweet stories. If you want to generalise and express experiences on behalf of others using statistics then join and get involve in meetings, trusteeship, friends, governance, commitee members....
#16
My nan passed away from c.o.p.d and the same chest infection January 4th this year.

They said she would be back and forth to the hospital if she survived this treatment, and they couldn't give her an estimation of how long she'd have if she pulled through. So my nan decided not to take any treatment and spent 5 days slowly passing away.

She had suffered for years with it and I guess she had enough.


Now for why I think the NHS is crap.

I stained my ankle January 20th last yearn went hospital got xray and was told "it's nothing go home" my foot being the size of a football but what ever..

6 months later pain still bad. Went back to the hospital told to wait in A&E, 4 hours later I was checked on by a nurse in a room, asked questions etc. Told I'd be seen again in 4 hours time.

Now the 8 hour mark I get called again by the same nurse and get told "because you injured yourself 6 months ago, this would now be a GP issue and you'd have to be referred to us."

Why not tell me that when I first came to the hospital? why not tell me that when I spoke to you at the 4 hour mark?


More recently. I got referred to the hospital for cubital tunnel syndrome or ulnar nerve damage. Went to one doctor as I walked into his office, and closed the door. He greeted me, and before I even got a chance to sit down he referred me to a different doctor.

Great another 2 week wait. Got to the new doctor and he asked me what's wrong I explained my wrist. The doctor sat there was a confused look on his face and on his pc screen was the xray of my ankle from the year before.

The previous doctor didn't make any notes to why I was referred. After explaining the issues, I was told to sit aside for around 2 hours so they could find out what's going on.

I'm now on a waiting list for another doctor with no date of appointment and no estimated dates.

Great service!
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#18
lollypoplee

as the title says, it really annoys me off when anyone calls our NHS.
my mum is almost 81 years old and she has C.O.P.D and severe panic attacks.
2 days ago were became aware that she had a very bad chest infection, pneumonia being part of it.
within 1 day we had paramedics, then 2 hours later a Dr, then another paramedic who took her to hospital.
she is now recovering in Leicester LRI, where she is being looked after and treated like the queen.
she receives 3 nutritious meals a day from a menu of so many different meals,drinks and deserts.
the Dr's and Nurses there are working around the clock, some on 12 hour shifts for a pittance, and there all doing it because they care.
how can anyone tell me we dont have the best health, and all for a tiny.... tiny deducted from our wages each week.
god bless our NHS and the thousands of staff that keep it running 24/7 365 days a year
How dare people make claims this way, that way, the other way? See my comments #13 and #15.

Edited By: splender on Mar 02, 2017 21:42: changed comment numbers
1 Like #19
lollypoplee

as the title says, it really annoys me off when anyone calls our NHS.
my mum is almost 81 years old and she has C.O.P.D and severe panic attacks.
2 days ago were became aware that she had a very bad chest infection, pneumonia being part of it.
within 1 day we had paramedics, then 2 hours later a Dr, then another paramedic who took her to hospital.
she is now recovering in Leicester LRI, where she is being looked after and treated like the queen.
she receives 3 nutritious meals a day from a menu of so many different meals,drinks and deserts.
the Dr's and Nurses there are working around the clock, some on 12 hour shifts for a pittance, and there all doing it because they care.
how can anyone tell me we dont have the best health, and all for a tiny.... tiny deducted from our wages each week.
god bless our NHS and the thousands of staff that keep it running 24/7 365 days a year
And moreover get a global picture of goodness and badness if you want to challenge the dare http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/26/doctors-watchdog-places-one-in-four-hospitals-on-danger-watch-li/
cut and paste first part:-

Laura Donnelly, Health Editor Henry Bodkin

26 August 2016 • 9:45pm

Almost 80 hospitals have been placed under surveillance by health watchdogs over concerns about patient safety and their ability to train doctors.

The General Medical Council said it had taken the “special measures” as part of efforts to prevent a repeat of the Mid Staffs scandal. It said 'Concerns most commonly relate to a specific concern, or to a particular department or unit where issues need to be addressed and do not relate to a whole hospital'.
#20
ritchiedrama
how dare someone have a differing opinion than you who may have had an entirely different experience with the nhs.
Exactly this, each and everyone's experience is different.
2 Likes #21
The problem the NHS and government have is THE ELDERLY living too long. We spend billions on keeping people alive instead of letting nature take its course. One old chap I met at a wedding was 94, he retired at 55 yet moaned about the NHS and pensions. He honestly thinks the tuppance a week he paid in 1952 is paying for his pension and health provision now. A friends grandmother was 85 and having chemotherapy to treat cancer, she spent hours going back and forth and subsequently died, at 85 why bother? Nobody wants to die but at what point do we say enough is enough?
1 Like #22
Graham1979
The problem the NHS and government have is THE ELDERLY living too long. We spend billions on keeping people alive instead of letting nature take its course. One old chap I met at a wedding was 94, he retired at 55 yet moaned about the NHS and pensions. He honestly thinks the tuppance a week he paid in 1952 is paying for his pension and health provision now. A friends grandmother was 85 and having chemotherapy to treat cancer, she spent hours going back and forth and subsequently died, at 85 why bother? Nobody wants to die but at what point do we say enough is enough?
They should reduce the price of beer , fags and fatty foods . This will be cost neutral as most people won't reach ripe old age and suffer old age related disease . This 5/10 a day and healthy living advice is crippling the NHS.
#23
davewave
the largest employer in the UK does not pay all its staff a pittance, in fact some contract staff are raking in the cash!
no one or organization is beyond reasonable discussion or criticism.

I heard it was the 4th biggest employer globally! I can confirm that contractors do get paid handsomely when on a NHS gig, but so do consultants and other roles, my wife's boss is on 120k a year and he can make another 50k a year doing private reports, all allowable on his NHS contract which has a healthy allowance for Cat II work.
#24
My local surgery has over 16500 patients on the books , and it's only a small place . The average docs gets £140 per patient from the govt just for being on the books ..£2.3 million before they have even seen anyone . And with 16500 no wonder it takes 14 days to get an appointment.
1 Like #25
I work in the NHS and have also personally experienced many good and bad bits of the service provided. An awful lot could be done to cut costs and for some managers to actually manage the service provided rather than having to spend time with 'development plans', strategy documents' and all the often daft new initiatives that are applied without enough thought. I'd agree that in the main the service is great but there are too many failings. Many failings, in my opinion, could be avoided by good management practices as while there are many excellent managers there are also a good number who take home very generous wages but just concentrate on managing their own careers by blindly following the established practices rather than improving them or speaking out against them (a similar situation exists in the Civil Service). The same with the staff in general, most work hard and provide as good a service as they can but there are also a good number that shuffle around hospital corridors seemingly more interested in when they're going to get their next food break. There's certainly not enough application of good practices, which again comes down to poor management and inefficient communication at all levels.

I've heard all the 'Private sector = good. Public sector = bad' guff but I've had much more bad service from the private sector than the public. I've had NHS experiences where I've been tearing my hair out but even then it's usually down to a mix-up rather than any deliberate dereliction (questionable management again!) and on the whole I'm proud of what we have in this country (and what others rightly envy).

Flawed as it sometimes is (and we're talking about an incredibly diverse and complex organisation and a customer base that includes too many people that abuse the service) I'd definitely not want to get rid of it or to put it in the hands of 'entrepreneurs'.
#26
Title hurt hulk brain.
#27
Think before posting idiot!

The NHS can be good, and can be sh.. T!

To say its all "briliant" shows your lack of knowledge of it as a whole.

The fact your talking about the same trust, that allowed my father to be sent home to DIE unnecessarily, because a scanner "wasnt working" shows this.

Shame i cant swear on here to say exactly what i think of your post.
#28
davewave
the largest employer in the UK does not pay all its staff a pittance, in fact some contract staff are raking in the cash!
no one or organization is beyond reasonable discussion or criticism.
Mustn't... Like... Comment... By Dave...
Damn :(
#29
I've had excellent experiences and dreadful experiences, but, sadly on a day to day basis for most people I'm guessing pretty awful.
Same old story, but having to wait 4 weeks to see your GP, madness.
It's not just a question of funding, it's the whole culture within the NHS and tbh some appalling management and wastage of resources beyond belief, the whole system needs a major overhaul.



Edited By: cycleman on Mar 02, 2017 14:38
4 Likes #30
I just love it when people blame the ELDERLY living longer for the the problems of the NHS. Nothing is said about the problems in the NHS caused by mass immigration & mass migration into the UK.
#31
webtrawler
I just love it when people blame the ELDERLY living longer for the the problems of the NHS. Nothing is said about the problems in the NHS caused by mass immigration & mass migration into the UK.
Are you kidding? That's said all the time
#32
webtrawler
I just love it when people blame the ELDERLY living longer for the the problems of the NHS. Nothing is said about the problems in the NHS caused by mass immigration & mass migration into the UK.
Nothing is said about the mass emigration out of the UK and they became burden outside of the UK?!
And besides out of £116 billions and if you used a credible source of information the top end cost due to immigrants is £2 billions, namely 2%, see here https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/verdict/what-do-we-know-about-impact-immigration-nhs
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It would be daft to blame 100% of NHS on 2% patients and not 98% of the patients. And if you take into account of UK emigration this 2% becomes less and then if you cost in control, management process and people, say employ 20,000 nationally to count the beans then they would cost £1.5 billions in wages doing bureacracy. There are ~10,000 NHS points of services (ranging from large hospitals and GP practices), so 2 bean counters per NHS point of service is not a lot of labour to do the "policing" and control.
#33
Rom
webtrawler
I just love it when people blame the ELDERLY living longer for the the problems of the NHS. Nothing is said about the problems in the NHS caused by mass immigration & mass migration into the UK.
Are you kidding? That's said all the time
That was 100% unadulterated kidding. By jove the deficiency is caused by poor management and lower GDP spend/investment relative to other 8 major EU countries.
#34
cycleman
I've had excellent experiences and dreadful experiences, but, sadly on a day to day basis for most people I'm guessing pretty awful.
Same old story, but having to wait 4 weeks to see your GP, madness.
It's not just a question of funding, it's the whole culture within the NHS and tbh some appalling management and wastage of resources beyond belief, the whole system needs a major overhaul.


My good mate goes to regular local PCT meetings, he tells me a root cause is exactly as you said, " the whole culture within the NHS and tbh some appalling management " ; my mate said that they are resistant to changes for the better and some don't get rid of themselves to let better staff in. Personally, I have been to an IT department of one big NHS organisation, briefly, they don't do system analyses well because they don't employ high calibre problem solvers with deep analytical skills and logics analyses, the NHS wages don't support them. So their IT systems simply don't cope with management need.
#35
Tell it to the families of the 30-40 thousand that are killed by the NHS every year due to neglect or poor care.
#36
Its good and bad as said..

My boy has received amazing care and treatment to fix his legs recently, everything from the ward nurses to the surgeon, the X-Ray, Cast Team, Mobility Equipment People all wonderful.. everytime we go its just simply superb

But that was Morriston Hospital,

The moment we have required support from our local Withybush Hospital, we have yet to see a Physiotherapist after nearly 7 weeks receive some aided equipment, been waiting on an ASD Assessment from Child Health for 3 years! promises broke every 6 months or so.. its a shambles at Withybush. im sure its not the staffs fault its down to funding etc.. but seriously how can the service be so different from one hospital to another..
#37
Rich069
Think before posting idiot!

The NHS can be good, and can be sh.. T!

To say its all "briliant" shows your lack of knowledge of it as a whole.

The fact your talking about the same trust, that allowed my father to be sent home to DIE unnecessarily, because a scanner "wasnt working" shows this.

Shame i cant swear on here to say exactly what i think of your post.


im sorry to hear your farther died and you feel rightly let down by the NHS. but please remember that you were let down by 1 person or 1 department, not the entire NHS.
1 Like #38
You have a NHS created in the 50's for a population of 50 million now looking after best part of 70 million people, thats a 40% increase, add on to that the ageing population, longer life expectancy and the thousands of new drugs and treatments available its no surprise the cracks are starting to show.
#39
coys67
You have a NHS created in the 50's for a population of 50 million now looking after best part of 70 million people, thats a 40% increase, add on to that the ageing population, longer life expectancy and the thousands of new drugs and treatments available its no surprise the cracks are starting to show.
Not if you view it by GDP and do comparative studies, we spend much less than other countries, hence the problem of under-funding https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jan/20/nhs-funding-falling-behind-european-neighbours-kings-fund-research
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A breakdown of your assertions:-
"You have a NHS created in the 50's for a population of 50 million now looking after best part of 70 million people, thats a 40% increase, " ==> a growth of 40% people paying money into it (as a % of GDP), so 40% growth in income? 1950s, a house was £200, now vastly more income to support £250,000 house.
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add on to that the aging population, longer life expectancy ==> The middle age period pf healthy living has been extended by more years, pushing out the old age to a later period. The 20-40 yo period tends to be lowest in burden to NHS and this period has been extended. Meaning people are healthier at ages 45-65 then they were before. Therefore it is actually a massive saving because the spend is deferred to later years. So it is a deferral of old age problems. Moreover aging population means maturing of technology and productivity, each person was able to output much more with the help of machines and automation in the 1990s to 2010s compared to 1950s to 1960s. Therefore the earnings per person and hence tax have risen dramatically. Moreover if one had to make so many widgets in the 1950s to pay for a heart operation. Today one uses machines and crank out 100x more widgets to pay for the same heart operation.
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and the thousands of new drugs and treatments available its no surprise the cracks are starting to show. ==> exactly, a living healthier person using drugs and treatment does more work output than a dead person, what is there not to like?!



Edited By: splender on Mar 02, 2017 21:38
#40
lollypoplee
Rich069
Think before posting idiot!

The NHS can be good, and can be sh.. T!

To say its all "briliant" shows your lack of knowledge of it as a whole.

The fact your talking about the same trust, that allowed my father to be sent home to DIE unnecessarily, because a scanner "wasnt working" shows this.

Shame i cant swear on here to say exactly what i think of your post.

im sorry to hear your farther died and you feel rightly let down by the NHS. but please remember that you were let down by 1 person or 1 department, not the entire NHS.
Yours was exactly the point that he just made. He knew jolly well it is not all. His was the bad one. See my comments #13 and #15 too.

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