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NHS to refuse treatment for smokers and the obese......

marshallka Avatar
9y, 2m agoPosted 9 years, 2 months ago
what are everyones views on this.
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#1
Mmm...as i only fall into 50% of the restrictions - will i only be treated on a pro-rata basis?
#2
So heavy drinkers are OK then??!?
#3
Yer... but... no...but...Depends what you've been drinking - come on Charlie - thought you only dealt with %ages....
#4
I fall into 50% of this,i think that everyone is entitled to treatment whether you smoke ,drink or are obese.Surely thats what the NHS is all about.This country is becoming more and more like a communist country by the week,pisses me off .:x
#5
..morning bobbybox?...
#6
good morning:)
[mod]#7
marshallka
what are everyones views on this.


I would share but peoples opinions and views are largely frowned upon on this site. :roll:
#8
bobbybox
I fall into 50% of this,i think that everyone is entitled to treatment whether you smoke ,drink or are obese.Surely thats what the NHS is all about.This country is becoming more and more like a communist country by the week,pisses me off .:x

thats my views too.
#9
Anyway i'm off for a fag then going to have big mac.;-)
banned#10
People from other countries who have not contributed a penny can come over here and get treatment.

People who smoke more than pay their way.
#11
Syzable
I would share but peoples opinions and views are largely frowned upon on this site. :roll:

Go for it Sy, multitask and fight on all fronts:giggle:
banned#12
bobbybox
Anyway i'm off for a fag then going to have big mac.;-)


PMSL:giggle:

MacMuffin this early me thinks.
#13
Does that mean they'll have the option of reduced Tax codes?

Doubt it...
[mod]#14
Shengis
Go for it Sy, multitask and fight on all fronts:giggle:


:whistling: :giggle:
#15
This country is getting bled dry by the amount of immigrants that we have let in.That's where the problem lies!ok some are contributing to this country but there is a whole lot that aren't.Some people think it and some of us say it;-)
banned#16
bobbybox
This country is getting bled dry by the amount of immigrants that we have let in.That's where the problem lies!ok some are contributing to this country but there is a whole lot that aren't.Some people think it and some of us say it;-)


I say it.

I have friends who are albanian and work 3 jobs who have every right to be here. Then when I worked for the dentist, you see the other side of it where people just come here to take. Eldery people who have payed all their lifes couldn't afford their treatment. Then other people who should have no rights get it for free.

This country has got it so wrong.
1 Like #17
marshallka
what are everyones views on this.


I think people should be encouraged to look after their own health - whether the NHS should be there to treat people that have knowingly put themselves at a far greater risk of illness is questinable.

If someone has an illness that is directly related to smoking or obesity (that is not due to other health issues) they should be required to take some positive action themselves. I am not sure removing the right to treatment totally is justifiyable humane action.

As someone pointed out, where do you draw the line, heavy drinkers, people who take hard drugs, participants in sports, etc. etc.

I am a non smoker and not over weight so have no idea how hard it is give up smoking or change ones eating habits to lose weight, but in the face of the health risks publicised, especially for smokng, I have no understanding why ANYONE would continue to smoke. I watched someone close to me suffer from the effects of years of smoking, and it is not something I would like to happen to myself.
[admin]#18
Prissymiss
I say it.

I have friends who are albanian and work 3 jobs who have every right to be here. Then when I worked for the dentist, you see the other side of it where people just come here to take. Eldery people who have payed all their lifes couldn't afford their treatment. Then other people who should have no rights get it for free.

This country has got it so wrong.


I read in the Mail yesterday that of the 8,000 or so Somalian asylum seekers that came into the country between 2005 and April 2007, only 17% of them are working and only 12% pay for their own housing.

Whilst people are seeking asylum in this country, they still recieve benefits and those who have their applications turned down still receive £35 per week (more if they have children).

I wonder how much it costs the tax payer per year to pay for all the immigrants that hover about in the UK with no intention of working, while the Home Office dithers about whether they should be allowed to stay.
#19
Freedom of choice,this country is a joke.:x
banned#20
juliet_bravo
I read in the Mail yesterday that of the 8,000 or so Somalian asylum seekers that came into the country between 2005 and April 2007, only 17% of them are working and only 12% pay for their own housing.

Whilst people are seeking asylum in this country, they still recieve benefits and those who have their applications turned down still receive £35 per week (more if they have children).

I wonder how much it costs the tax payer per year to pay for all the immigrants that hover about in the UK with no intention of working, while the Home Office dithers about whether they should be allowed to stay.


Housing is also a big problem, alot of people cannot afford to buy and cannot get a council property as these are being given to immigrants. We have some council properties near me and the majority are housing foreigners. The same rules don't seem to apply for them either, there is a couple with a kid in a 3 bed house and one of my friends who has two children is only allowed a two bed property. It is happening all over and is totally wrong. We should put our own nationals first.
[admin] 1 Like #21
As for the obese/smokers topic... This is probably going to cause anyone overweight or who smokes to shout at me... but why should those who try to stay healthy and look after themselves pay for those who choose a carefree & unhealthy lifestyle to have treatment?
I agree some obesity is caused by medical issues, and it can be hard to break the habit of eating & smoking, but surely if some people can lose weight/pack up smoking, it proves that doing either is not impossible.
If a smoker or obese person needs medical attention due to their habits/weight, then they should help themselves by cutting down on their food & fags.
[mod]#22
I think the funniest is that the people that come to this country can also claim several benefits like child benefit to send home to their family in Poland etc...........now that is laughable.
[mod]#23
juliet_bravo
As for the obese/smokers topic... This is probably going to cause anyone overweight or who smokes to shout at me... but why should those who try to stay healthy and look after themselves pay for those who choose a carefree & unhealthy lifestyle to have treatment?
I agree some obesity is caused by medical issues, and it can be hard to break the habit of eating & smoking, but surely if some people can lose weight/pack up smoking, it proves that doing either is not impossible.
If a smoker or obese person needs medical attention due to their habits/weight, then they should help themselves by cutting down on their food & fags.


Ahhh, but you drink so what about that? ;-)
#24
Lets be honest here and say if this goverment wanted people to give up smoking then surely they could if they wanted double the price of cigs.They have to be seen to be looking like they are playing the game,right and also if everyone stopped smoking what would happen then?would the non smokers be happy to be paying more tax?i think not.
#25
Yep...and a local radio station up here has stated punting out some commecials in Polish language...as there are so many migrant workers here. I have no particular problem with that, but I do sympathise with the issue over housing etc.

Re the OP..only 50% of that applies to me (probably). Scotland recently got the dubious title of 2nd most obese nation on the planet!! Not one I am proud of! But...I pay taxes and the NHS is still there so I suppose anyone has a right to be treated (??)
[mod]#26
On the other hand if everyone stopped smoking then there wouldn't be a NHS service as where would the goverment replace the £10 billion + defecit in taxes from?
#27
Think that the cost of treating the obese and smokers is the least of the problems this country has.That is not bleeeding this country dry,just seems to me that its an easy target.
#28
Smokers pay a huge amount of tax, a large amount of which goes towards the NHS, so they should still be seen!
#29
Syzable
On the other hand if everyone stopped smoking then there wouldn't be a NHS service as where would the goverment replace the £10 billion + defecit in taxes from?


Didn't see you reply!, wrote out mine will reading the the 1 page of the thread!

Its just ridiculous! :roll:
#30
Oh the joys of working for a company who provide health insurance.

To be honest I would much rather go private now. I have seen the way people are treated in NHS hospitals, I myself was in Hospital a year ago, went to the GP out of hours to get some painkillers, got addmited, loads of tests done, loads of blood samples, got discharged, no pain killers and no explination as to why I was in pain, or why I was admited.
[admin]#31
Syzable
Ahhh, but you drink so what about that? ;-)


If I was told by my GP to stop drinking, I would.
If i was addicted to drinking, or needed a drink to cope with everyday stress, I'd seek help.

You're saying that drinking in moderation is the same as being addicted to food/fags- I'm not an addict and nor do I drink enough that my liver is going to fall out anytime soon :giggle:
I know smokers put a lot in the treasury with taxes, but then so do drinkers, drivers, working parents, people with 4x4s (soon), people like my husband who pay 40% tax on their earnings....... the list is endless. :thumbsup:
#32
I better cut my baps off, so i'm not obese !
[mod]#33
juliet_bravo
If I was told by my GP to stop drinking, I would.
If i was addicted to drinking, or needed a drink to cope with everyday stress, I'd seek help.

You're saying that drinking in moderation is the same as being addicted to food/fags- I'm not an addict and nor do I drink enough that my liver is going to fall out anytime soon :giggle:
I know smokers put a lot in the treasury with taxes, but then so do drinkers, drivers, working parents, people with 4x4s (soon), people like my husband who pay 40% tax on their earnings....... the list is endless. :thumbsup:


Exactly.........where do you draw the line? I think eventually it will all be privatised in the long run.

It may be an expense but i for one wouldn't mind. No waiting times and no people abusing the system. :)
[admin]#34
Syzable
Exactly.........where do you draw the line? I think eventually it will all be privatised in the long run.

It may be an expense but i for one wouldn't mind. No waiting times and no people abusing the system. :)


I prefer being on private health care... went NHS for a check up at the dentist just after JR was born, felt like I was on a conveyer belt.. in the chair, prodded a bit then kicked out onto the street :lol: At least with private care I get to read decent magazines in the waiting room rather than a knackered old OK! from 1998 :lol: Not that that matters.... but you know what I mean :)
[admin]#35
Syzable
Exactly.........where do you draw the line? I think eventually it will all be privatised in the long run.

It may be an expense but i for one wouldn't mind. No waiting times and no people abusing the system. :)


And I think the line is drawn when your vice starts damaging your health. :?
[mod]#36
juliet_bravo
And I think the line is drawn when your vice starts damaging your health. :?


But certain foods damage your health. Everytime you get drunk it damages your health and destroys certain cells within your body.

So do we ban every bit of enjoyment people can have?

Also smokers damage their own health, but people who go out on the lash at the weekend and then take it too far sometimes damage other peoples health by getting violent out of character due to drink so that has to be as bad or worse. :thumbsup:
#37
I might as well become a monk then;-)
[admin]#38
Syzable
But certain foods damage your health. Everytime you get drunk it damages your health and destroys certain cells within your body.

So do we ban every bit of enjoyment people can have?


That's not entirely true hun- guidelines are three units for men and two for women per day. Beyond that may have detremental effects on your health.
Linky to Bupa Guidelines

And, as I said before... moderation is the key... eat food you enjoy, but try and combine it with a balanced diet & exercise.. have a drink and socialise.. if you need a cigarette then so be it.. but anything in excess is damaging to you. Except sex and water :lol:
[mod]#39
juliet_bravo
That's not entirely true hun- guidelines are three units for men and two for women per day. Beyond that may have detremental effects on your health.
Linky to Bupa Guidelines

And, as I said before... moderation is the key... eat food you enjoy, but try and combine it with a balanced diet & exercise.. have a drink and socialise.. if you need a cigarette then so be it.. but anything in excess is damaging to you. Except sex and water :lol:


That's why i said drunk as that's more than the recommended units and there are millions that do that every weekend and sometimes more so do we also ban them from free NHS treatment?

Are you saying you never get drunk. ;-) :whistling::giggle:
#40
Syzable
Also smokers damage their own health


Hmm, perhaps you've not heard of passive smoking then......

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