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[mod] 6y, 2m agoPosted 6 years, 2 months ago
De Jong has been dropped by the Dutch squad after the tackle on Ben Arfa. Great example to set by the Dutch FA and manager.
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[mod] 6y, 2m agoPosted 6 years, 2 months ago
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#2
good, should have been dropped straight after his karate kick in the world cup final
#3
That's awful.

Fantastic challenge, won the ball was just unfortunate to break Ben-Arfa's leg. Tackling has seriously lost it's place in the game.
[mod]#4
mr.potato_head
That's awful.Fantastic challenge, won the ball was just unfortunate to break Ben-Arfa's leg. Tackling has seriously lost it's place in the game.

With Ben Arfa surrounded by two Manchester City players the nature of the tackle was needless. I do agree that tackling limits have been reduced in recent years but Nigel de Jong (as the Dutch coach says) pushes the boundaries and he cannot get away with it. Look at his track record. The guy is just an idiot.

We had a game on Saturday and one of our men clearly won the ball but the follow through was unnecessary and they were awarded a free kick. If a tackle is patently dangerous it shouldnt matter whether the ball was won.

Players need to be afforded protection. If they receive a career ending injury then they will be out of the only career that they know.
#5
magicjay1986
mr.potato_head
That's awful.Fantastic challenge, won the ball was just unfortunate to break Ben-Arfa's leg. Tackling has seriously lost it's place in the game.


With Ben Arfa surrounded by two Manchester City players the nature of the tackle was needless. I do agree that tackling limits have been reduced in recent years but Nigel de Jong (as the Dutch coach says) pushes the boundaries and he cannot get away with it. Look at his track record. The guy is just an idiot.

We had a game on Saturday and one of our men clearly won the ball but the follow through was unnecessary and they were awarded a free kick. If a tackle is patently dangerous it shouldnt matter whether the ball was won.

Players need to be afforded protection. If they receive a career ending injury then they will be out of the only career that they know.



But a player whether you're playing amatuer football or highest standard of professional football, players don't have the ability to judge whether a tackle is neccessary or not and the consequences. It' a split second. The ball is there to be won so I'll try to win it, De Jong is competitive as every pro should be.

Unfortunately that this means players will get hurt. An F1 driver could hit into another driver and send him flying into a barrier at 200mph and possibly kill him, doesn't mean the speed limit in F1 should be restricted to 50mph.

The ref allowed play to continue, they are usually the biggest pedants when it comes to tackling so for him to do that, he deemed it fair and I agree.
[mod]#6
mr.potato_head
magicjay1986
mr.potato_head
That's awful.Fantastic challenge, won the ball was just unfortunate to break Ben-Arfa's leg. Tackling has seriously lost it's place in the game.
With Ben Arfa surrounded by two Manchester City players the nature of the tackle was needless. I do agree that tackling limits have been reduced in recent years but Nigel de Jong (as the Dutch coach says) pushes the boundaries and he cannot get away with it. Look at his track record. The guy is just an idiot. We had a game on Saturday and one of our men clearly won the ball but the follow through was unnecessary and they were awarded a free kick. If a tackle is patently dangerous it shouldnt matter whether the ball was won. Players need to be afforded protection. If they receive a career ending injury then they will be out of the only career that they know.
But a player whether you're playing amatuer football or highest standard of professional football, players don't have the ability to judge whether a tackle is neccessary or not and the consequences. It' a split second. The ball is there to be won so I'll try to win it, De Jong is competitive as every pro should be.Unfortunately that this means players will get hurt. An F1 driver could hit into another driver and send him flying into a barrier at 200mph and possibly kill him, doesn't mean the speed limit in F1 should be restricted to 50mph.The ref allowed play to continue, they are usually the biggest pedants when it comes to tackling so for him to do that, he deemed it fair and I agree.

What you say about it being a split second decision is true, most of the time. De Jong is a premeditated fouler and he does try to push limits.

Be that as it may, professionals need to show due care and caution. Did de Jong show that when he followed through on Ben Arfa? No. Did he show that when he gave Alonso a karate kick in the World Cup Final? No. You do not have to be overagressive to be competitive. Gerard is competitive and he sometimes gets it wrong but not horribly wrong.

The Dutch FA hasnt deemed it fair and I agree with them. I mean, they are supposed to be "on his side".
#7
magicjay1986
mr.potato_head
magicjay1986
mr.potato_head
That's awful.Fantastic challenge, won the ball was just unfortunate to break Ben-Arfa's leg. Tackling has seriously lost it's place in the game.
With Ben Arfa surrounded by two Manchester City players the nature of the tackle was needless. I do agree that tackling limits have been reduced in recent years but Nigel de Jong (as the Dutch coach says) pushes the boundaries and he cannot get away with it. Look at his track record. The guy is just an idiot. We had a game on Saturday and one of our men clearly won the ball but the follow through was unnecessary and they were awarded a free kick. If a tackle is patently dangerous it shouldnt matter whether the ball was won. Players need to be afforded protection. If they receive a career ending injury then they will be out of the only career that they know.
But a player whether you're playing amatuer football or highest standard of professional football, players don't have the ability to judge whether a tackle is neccessary or not and the consequences. It' a split second. The ball is there to be won so I'll try to win it, De Jong is competitive as every pro should be.Unfortunately that this means players will get hurt. An F1 driver could hit into another driver and send him flying into a barrier at 200mph and possibly kill him, doesn't mean the speed limit in F1 should be restricted to 50mph.The ref allowed play to continue, they are usually the biggest pedants when it comes to tackling so for him to do that, he deemed it fair and I agree.


What you say about it being a split second decision is true, most of the time. De Jong is a premeditated fouler and he does try to push limits.

Be that as it may, professionals need to show due care and caution. Did de Jong show that when he followed through on Ben Arfa? No. Did he show that when he gave Alonso a karate kick in the World Cup Final? No. You do not have to be overagressive to be competitive. Gerard is competitive and he sometimes gets it wrong but not horribly wrong.

The Dutch FA hasnt deemed it fair and I agree with them. I mean, they are supposed to be "on his side".


Its's obviously awful what's happened, for Newcastle, for Ben Arfa and for the Premeirship. He looked pretty handy bu tI really don't think De Jong can be blamed. Reputation dosesn't come into it, unless the player was reknowned for something like throwing elbows, headbutting, spitting etc Proper off the ball incidents but this was a challenge, a hard challenege but a fair one. There is no way he could of not followed through, it was just momentum.

Diaby almost had his ankle broken yersterday after a challenge from Essien, it wasn't reckless but as I said, it's just the nature of competitive football.

I agree that caution needs to be taken but the tackle wasn't high, late or from behind or anything off the ball. If it was any of those I'd agree with you entirely and a manager/FA would have every right to throw a ban at you, but those aren't the circumstances we're dealing with.
[mod]#8
mr.potato_head
magicjay1986
mr.potato_head
magicjay1986
mr.potato_head
That's awful.Fantastic challenge, won the ball was just unfortunate to break Ben-Arfa's leg. Tackling has seriously lost it's place in the game.
With Ben Arfa surrounded by two Manchester City players the nature of the tackle was needless. I do agree that tackling limits have been reduced in recent years but Nigel de Jong (as the Dutch coach says) pushes the boundaries and he cannot get away with it. Look at his track record. The guy is just an idiot. We had a game on Saturday and one of our men clearly won the ball but the follow through was unnecessary and they were awarded a free kick. If a tackle is patently dangerous it shouldnt matter whether the ball was won. Players need to be afforded protection. If they receive a career ending injury then they will be out of the only career that they know.
But a player whether you're playing amatuer football or highest standard of professional football, players don't have the ability to judge whether a tackle is neccessary or not and the consequences. It' a split second. The ball is there to be won so I'll try to win it, De Jong is competitive as every pro should be.Unfortunately that this means players will get hurt. An F1 driver could hit into another driver and send him flying into a barrier at 200mph and possibly kill him, doesn't mean the speed limit in F1 should be restricted to 50mph.The ref allowed play to continue, they are usually the biggest pedants when it comes to tackling so for him to do that, he deemed it fair and I agree.
What you say about it being a split second decision is true, most of the time. De Jong is a premeditated fouler and he does try to push limits. Be that as it may, professionals need to show due care and caution. Did de Jong show that when he followed through on Ben Arfa? No. Did he show that when he gave Alonso a karate kick in the World Cup Final? No. You do not have to be overagressive to be competitive. Gerard is competitive and he sometimes gets it wrong but not horribly wrong. The Dutch FA hasnt deemed it fair and I agree with them. I mean, they are supposed to be "on his side".
Its's obviously awful what's happened, for Newcastle, for Ben Arfa and for the Premeirship. He looked pretty handy bu tI really don't think De Jong can be blamed. Reputation dosesn't come into it, unless the player was reknowned for something like throwing elbows, headbutting, spitting etc Proper off the ball incidents but this was a challenge, a hard challenege but a fair one. There is no way he could of not followed through, it was just momentum.Diaby almost had his ankle broken yersterday after a challenge from Essien, it wasn't reckless but as I said, it's just the nature of competitive football.I agree that caution needs to be taken but the tackle wasn't high, late or from behind or anything off the ball. If it was any of those I'd agree with you entirely and a manager/FA would have every right to throw a ban at you, but those aren't the circumstances we're dealing with.

Do you not think that the tackle was excessive?
#9
magicjay1986
mr.potato_head
magicjay1986
mr.potato_head
magicjay1986
mr.potato_head
That's awful.Fantastic challenge, won the ball was just unfortunate to break Ben-Arfa's leg. Tackling has seriously lost it's place in the game.
With Ben Arfa surrounded by two Manchester City players the nature of the tackle was needless. I do agree that tackling limits have been reduced in recent years but Nigel de Jong (as the Dutch coach says) pushes the boundaries and he cannot get away with it. Look at his track record. The guy is just an idiot. We had a game on Saturday and one of our men clearly won the ball but the follow through was unnecessary and they were awarded a free kick. If a tackle is patently dangerous it shouldnt matter whether the ball was won. Players need to be afforded protection. If they receive a career ending injury then they will be out of the only career that they know.
But a player whether you're playing amatuer football or highest standard of professional football, players don't have the ability to judge whether a tackle is neccessary or not and the consequences. It' a split second. The ball is there to be won so I'll try to win it, De Jong is competitive as every pro should be.Unfortunately that this means players will get hurt. An F1 driver could hit into another driver and send him flying into a barrier at 200mph and possibly kill him, doesn't mean the speed limit in F1 should be restricted to 50mph.The ref allowed play to continue, they are usually the biggest pedants when it comes to tackling so for him to do that, he deemed it fair and I agree.
What you say about it being a split second decision is true, most of the time. De Jong is a premeditated fouler and he does try to push limits. Be that as it may, professionals need to show due care and caution. Did de Jong show that when he followed through on Ben Arfa? No. Did he show that when he gave Alonso a karate kick in the World Cup Final? No. You do not have to be overagressive to be competitive. Gerard is competitive and he sometimes gets it wrong but not horribly wrong. The Dutch FA hasnt deemed it fair and I agree with them. I mean, they are supposed to be "on his side".
Its's obviously awful what's happened, for Newcastle, for Ben Arfa and for the Premeirship. He looked pretty handy bu tI really don't think De Jong can be blamed. Reputation dosesn't come into it, unless the player was reknowned for something like throwing elbows, headbutting, spitting etc Proper off the ball incidents but this was a challenge, a hard challenege but a fair one. There is no way he could of not followed through, it was just momentum.Diaby almost had his ankle broken yersterday after a challenge from Essien, it wasn't reckless but as I said, it's just the nature of competitive football.I agree that caution needs to be taken but the tackle wasn't high, late or from behind or anything off the ball. If it was any of those I'd agree with you entirely and a manager/FA would have every right to throw a ban at you, but those aren't the circumstances we're dealing with.


Do you not think that the tackle was excessive?


It was a hard challenge but not excessive.

Just watched it again and it's his trailing foot that actually breaks his leg.

I don't care about his reputation, there is no way he meant that.

Edited By: mr.potato_head on Oct 04, 2010 16:28: .....
#10
Is it just me or is there a few more serious leg breaks so far this season than there has been in the last few seasons?
[mod]#11
Bit of a joke following their World Cup Final match....obviously they are just looking for some publicity.

It wasn't that bad a tackle, far worse every week like Carl Henry's.
#12
Syzable


It wasn't that bad a tackle, far worse every week like Carl Henry's.


Now that was disgusting. Very late.

Potential neck breaker.
[mod]#13
mr.potato_head
magicjay1986
mr.potato_head
magicjay1986
mr.potato_head
magicjay1986
mr.potato_head
That's awful.Fantastic challenge, won the ball was just unfortunate to break Ben-Arfa's leg. Tackling has seriously lost it's place in the game.
With Ben Arfa surrounded by two Manchester City players the nature of the tackle was needless. I do agree that tackling limits have been reduced in recent years but Nigel de Jong (as the Dutch coach says) pushes the boundaries and he cannot get away with it. Look at his track record. The guy is just an idiot. We had a game on Saturday and one of our men clearly won the ball but the follow through was unnecessary and they were awarded a free kick. If a tackle is patently dangerous it shouldnt matter whether the ball was won. Players need to be afforded protection. If they receive a career ending injury then they will be out of the only career that they know.
But a player whether you're playing amatuer football or highest standard of professional football, players don't have the ability to judge whether a tackle is neccessary or not and the consequences. It' a split second. The ball is there to be won so I'll try to win it, De Jong is competitive as every pro should be.Unfortunately that this means players will get hurt. An F1 driver could hit into another driver and send him flying into a barrier at 200mph and possibly kill him, doesn't mean the speed limit in F1 should be restricted to 50mph.The ref allowed play to continue, they are usually the biggest pedants when it comes to tackling so for him to do that, he deemed it fair and I agree.
What you say about it being a split second decision is true, most of the time. De Jong is a premeditated fouler and he does try to push limits. Be that as it may, professionals need to show due care and caution. Did de Jong show that when he followed through on Ben Arfa? No. Did he show that when he gave Alonso a karate kick in the World Cup Final? No. You do not have to be overagressive to be competitive. Gerard is competitive and he sometimes gets it wrong but not horribly wrong. The Dutch FA hasnt deemed it fair and I agree with them. I mean, they are supposed to be "on his side".
Its's obviously awful what's happened, for Newcastle, for Ben Arfa and for the Premeirship. He looked pretty handy bu tI really don't think De Jong can be blamed. Reputation dosesn't come into it, unless the player was reknowned for something like throwing elbows, headbutting, spitting etc Proper off the ball incidents but this was a challenge, a hard challenege but a fair one. There is no way he could of not followed through, it was just momentum.Diaby almost had his ankle broken yersterday after a challenge from Essien, it wasn't reckless but as I said, it's just the nature of competitive football.I agree that caution needs to be taken but the tackle wasn't high, late or from behind or anything off the ball. If it was any of those I'd agree with you entirely and a manager/FA would have every right to throw a ban at you, but those aren't the circumstances we're dealing with.
Do you not think that the tackle was excessive?
It was a hard challenge but not excessive.Just watched it again and it's his trailing foot that actually breaks his leg.I don't care about his reputation, there is no way he meant that.

Ok. Fair enough. I can accept that opinion from you as you dont have any reason to be biast.

I still believe that it was an unnecessarily strong tackle which under the circumstances didnt need to be made as it was.
[mod]#14
Syzable
Bit of a joke following their World Cup Final match....obviously they are just looking for some publicity.It wasn't that bad a tackle, far worse every week like Carl Henry's.

I havent had chance to see that yet. I will take a look...
#15
Good news. Players need to know there's repurcussions to their actions. As many of the top defenders say, you never go in for a tackle, especially with force that could be deemed excessive, unless you are 100% certain that you will get only the ball. There's no use in saying it's just an accident and doing nothing about it, De Jong has now broken 2 players legs within a year and Shawcross broke another players ankle a few years before breaking Ramsey's leg. Hopefully other FAs will take notice of this example.
[mod]#16
Just saw the Karl Henry tackle. Nothing wrong with it. 50/50, ball was there to be won.































I lie. Dreadful tackle.
#17
magicjay1986
mr.potato_head
magicjay1986
mr.potato_head
magicjay1986
mr.potato_head
magicjay1986
mr.potato_head
That's awful.Fantastic challenge, won the ball was just unfortunate to break Ben-Arfa's leg. Tackling has seriously lost it's place in the game.
With Ben Arfa surrounded by two Manchester City players the nature of the tackle was needless. I do agree that tackling limits have been reduced in recent years but Nigel de Jong (as the Dutch coach says) pushes the boundaries and he cannot get away with it. Look at his track record. The guy is just an idiot. We had a game on Saturday and one of our men clearly won the ball but the follow through was unnecessary and they were awarded a free kick. If a tackle is patently dangerous it shouldnt matter whether the ball was won. Players need to be afforded protection. If they receive a career ending injury then they will be out of the only career that they know.
But a player whether you're playing amatuer football or highest standard of professional football, players don't have the ability to judge whether a tackle is neccessary or not and the consequences. It' a split second. The ball is there to be won so I'll try to win it, De Jong is competitive as every pro should be.Unfortunately that this means players will get hurt. An F1 driver could hit into another driver and send him flying into a barrier at 200mph and possibly kill him, doesn't mean the speed limit in F1 should be restricted to 50mph.The ref allowed play to continue, they are usually the biggest pedants when it comes to tackling so for him to do that, he deemed it fair and I agree.
What you say about it being a split second decision is true, most of the time. De Jong is a premeditated fouler and he does try to push limits. Be that as it may, professionals need to show due care and caution. Did de Jong show that when he followed through on Ben Arfa? No. Did he show that when he gave Alonso a karate kick in the World Cup Final? No. You do not have to be overagressive to be competitive. Gerard is competitive and he sometimes gets it wrong but not horribly wrong. The Dutch FA hasnt deemed it fair and I agree with them. I mean, they are supposed to be "on his side".
Its's obviously awful what's happened, for Newcastle, for Ben Arfa and for the Premeirship. He looked pretty handy bu tI really don't think De Jong can be blamed. Reputation dosesn't come into it, unless the player was reknowned for something like throwing elbows, headbutting, spitting etc Proper off the ball incidents but this was a challenge, a hard challenege but a fair one. There is no way he could of not followed through, it was just momentum.Diaby almost had his ankle broken yersterday after a challenge from Essien, it wasn't reckless but as I said, it's just the nature of competitive football.I agree that caution needs to be taken but the tackle wasn't high, late or from behind or anything off the ball. If it was any of those I'd agree with you entirely and a manager/FA would have every right to throw a ban at you, but those aren't the circumstances we're dealing with.
Do you not think that the tackle was excessive?
It was a hard challenge but not excessive.Just watched it again and it's his trailing foot that actually breaks his leg.I don't care about his reputation, there is no way he meant that.


Ok. Fair enough. I can accept that opinion from you as you dont have any reason to be biast.

I still believe that it was an unnecessarily strong tackle which under the circumstances didnt need to be made as it was.


Even though I created the Official Man City thread? X) But seriously, you're right I like to hate a football player as much as the next fan but this time I think his treatment is not justified.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRjB9F883rY
[mod]#18
magicjay1986
Just saw the Karl Henry tackle. Nothing wrong with it. 50/50, ball was there to be won.
i lie. Dreadful tackle.


Henry has had it coming for a few weeks now. He is a persistant dirty player and is the type that should be punished.

Least Gomez got up and ended up punishing them the best way possible.........cracking free kick :D
[mod]#19
Syzable
magicjay1986
Just saw the Karl Henry tackle. Nothing wrong with it. 50/50, ball was there to be won. i lie. Dreadful tackle.
Henry has had it coming for a few weeks now. He is a persistant dirty player and is the type that should be punished.Least Gomez got up and ended up punishing them the best way possible.........cracking free kick :D

The one thing I hate is the reaction of "these" players after the tackle. Henry was acting like he had every right to do what he did and did nothing wrong.
[mod]#20
magicjay1986
The one thing I hate is the reaction of "these" players after the tackle. Henry was acting like he had every right to do what he did and did nothing wrong.


I know, he was protesting like a right tit. I was glad to see McCarthy condemn him though rather than try to cover for him.



Edited By: Syzable on Oct 04, 2010 17:03: just because
[mod]#21
Syzable
magicjay1986
Syzable
magicjay1986
Just saw the Karl Henry tackle. Nothing wrong with it. 50/50, ball was there to be won. i lie. Dreadful tackle.
Henry has had it coming for a few weeks now. He is a persistant dirty player and is the type that should be punished.Least Gomez got up and ended up punishing them the best way possible.........cracking free kick :D
I know, he was protesting like a right tit. I was glad to see McCarthy condemn him though rather than try to cover for him.The one thing I hate is the reaction of "these" players after the tackle. Henry was acting like he had every right to do what he did and did nothing wrong.

Yes. That is quite refreshing to see. Tackles like that can end a players career instantly. Gomez was lucky he was quick enough to get out of the way.
#22
good on the dutch manager. More should follow suit.

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