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No Man's Sky - too late, or can the foundations be re-laid?

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Hey guys, still got a copy of No Man's Sky? I'm kind of guessing that everybody's still pretty hacked off at Sean Murray and his lies, and to add insult to injury it's been like three month's sinc… Read More
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4m, 3w agoPosted 4 months, 3 weeks ago
Hey guys, still got a copy of No Man's Sky?

I'm kind of guessing that everybody's still pretty hacked off at Sean Murray and his lies, and to add insult to injury it's been like three month's since Mr Murray or anybody from Hello Games has actually even spoke about No Man's Sky (well apart from that silly little Tweet that went out, pic below)

http://cdn1-www.craveonline.com/assets/uploads/2016/10/Hello-Games-No-Mans-Sky.jpg

Anyhow. It's happened, Hello Games have broken their 90 day silence on No Man's Sky and have announced the upcoming Foundations Update...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyH49SrUQAAa7uH.jpg

Apparently this upcoming update is a small step in a longer journey. You can't help that feel that Sean has now realised that somehow he has to produce a games that is based purely on his lies. Hopefully implementing everything he promised the game would have, that was unfortunately missing at launch.

Don't get me wrong, I fully appreciate that Murray let his tongue go a little wild with his expectations in the run up to the launch No Man's Sky, he had an idea in his head and he wanted it to be a real thing, unfortunately that wasn't the case, but I strongly believe that us, the consumers are equally to blame for piecing together little snippets of Murray's comments and creating our own game, in our heads which were far far away from where NMS was heading.

Anyway, the question is. Is it too late for No Man's Sky or have you guys given up with absolutely no chance of going back in the future if the things that were promised are put into place?

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If you haven't already seen. There is currently a GoFundMe set up via Reddit in aid of Cancer Research UK. The moderator on the subreddit has decided to make good of the 'toxic' attitude surrounding the subreddit recently setting up the GoFundMe in an attempt to bring out Sean Murray...

"I've moderated this place for about a month now and whenever I hear people speaking about how 'toxic' this place is or anything like that it just comes across as wrong, we've got an awesome group of people here who are actually doing what they can with this game that was unfortunately very badly received because of the excessive deception. Seriously the people here are great. If we could take some of the anger and turn it into a good cause then we're better than anybody who can claim this place to be 'toxic'
So the other mods and myself have been speaking about having a fundraiser type deal where we raise money for charity. Since we just hit 90 days of 0 communication about the game I thought now is a great time. What I saw in a thread yesterday was somebody saying they would donate if Sean Murray didn't speak by the 100th day, and that to me is silly because I doubt he will. He's got your money and he's probably gone for good, Sony NDA maybe, but I doubt it. Right now the charity the money will be going to is Cancer Research UK who do some amazing stuff. Their governance cost is 1% for those who care. We will be donating regardless of whether Sean Murray speaks or not.
Again we will be donating whether or not Sean Murray speaks. This is not us trying to threaten him, or anything of that matter.
So what I thought would be a good idea is we have the fundraiser, and if Sean doesn't speak up by the 110th day, which is 20 days away, we'll do something a bit more local, with the subreddit, instead of giving him any more 'reasons' to not speak again. I've set the goal to 500 pounds even though I think we'll only hit like 100 or so at most. I'll be putting in 20 pounds anyways. If you can't donate then that's obviously no problem, if you could share it, that would be amazing. It would be awesome if Sean Murray saw this.
Any donations are welcome, sharing is a form of donating too :)
Here's the link: https://www.gofundme.com/JourneyAgainstCancer
Direct donate here: http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/support-us/donate this is a direct link, GoFundMe takes 8% and then another 2% for Stripe. Use the direct link to ensure the charity gets the most.
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[HUKD Deal Editor]#1
TL:DR - are you prepared to give No Man's Sky another go if the original promises make their way into the game?
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Too little, too late I'd say.
[HUKD Deal Editor]#3
stuarthanley
Too little, too late I'd say.

Well as you had commented within 7 seconds of the post going live, I think it's quite safe to say you have zero care factor about NMS, just by reading the words 'No Man's Sky' :D
1 Like #4
I said it would suck from the start, it's inevitable that it would be a bugfest.
#5
Nice to see that they've actually come through with something in the end - so it's not *all* 'lies'. FWIW, I still have my copy - still installed, in fact - and as I didn't sink all that much time into it at release, I'm certainly prepared to give it another shot.
#6
This was the most hyped I got about a game in years. Then I played it. Looks pretty enough but no substance, maybe 200 updates down the line it'll be fun, who knows.
#7
I may be prepared to download it from The Pirate Bay if they apologise for wasting a couple of hours of my life playing NMS and sorting out the refund.
#8
I'd be tempted. It'll be £10 in CEX after Xmas so the downside is minimal.
#9
BuzzDuraband
stuarthanley
Too little, too late I'd say.
Well as you had commented within 7 seconds of the post going live, I think it's quite safe to say you have zero care factor about NMS, just by reading the words 'No Man's Sky' :D
It was longer than that. I read the post.
#10
I'd always like to see people's attempt to correct their mistakes. I've recently started playing homefront and although I could've bought it cheaper preowned, I paid the new price to support the developers since they've been trying to correct their mistake. I'll probably give no mans sky a chance but I'll wait until they release the update to see how jones they're this time...
#11
No sorry, i wouldn't pay full price for a green lit game nor would most people, so charging full price for essentially a demo of a claimed game then not being honest, let alone being honest in the first place, I'm not waiting another 3 or 4 years for this game to get even close to claims. No mans sky had less content than Minecraft on release.

Not to mention building bases for what? There is zero reason, there is zero function it, is the base one of the FOUR prefabs in the entire game?

Not to mention the fact the price barely dropped for black Friday, when newer triple AAA games can down to 20 to 30 pound. I'll be waiting for the deal post at £10~15.

Edited By: catbeans on Nov 25, 2016 18:42
#12
For it to be enjoyable, for me, there is possibly too much that needs to be in there so I'm not sure I would play it again.
When I play X3 and jump into a sector where I am in the middle of a full on faction war, just needing to get to the next sector to make a trade, I am engrossed.
When I play No Mans Sky I feel I am playing Photography Simulator 2016: Space Edition
#13
BuzzDuraband
TL:DR - are you prepared to give No Man's Sky another go if the original promises make their way into the game?

Is there something wrong with your other thread that you created then abandoned?

[ http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/no-man-s-sky-was-a-mistake-apparently-2536120 ]

...or the most recent threads created by others?

[ http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/steam-now-giving-refunds-for-no-mans-sky-regardless-hours-played-2502805 ]
[ http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/advertising-standards-launches-investigation-into-no-man-s-sky-2519523 ]
[ http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/no-man-s-sky-delayed-2455579 ]
[HUKD Deal Editor] 1 Like #14
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Is there something wrong with your other thread that you created then abandoned?
[ http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/no-man-s-sky-was-a-mistake-apparently-2536120

No, it looks ok to me. Did I make a spelling mistake?
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Is there something wrong with your other thread that you created then abandoned?...
BuzzDuraband
No, it looks ok to me. Did I make a spelling mistake?

So... you are contributing further with this one.

OK...

I was not prepared to play the title originally because it was very clear from the video footage that the overall vision was far from a "game", but just an interactive experience, or a demonstration of a technical goal.

Mr Murray was obviously under a lot of pressure, not only from the imposed deadline but, also, as you said above, from the public's perception of what they were going to receive.

If, for example, Virtual Reality support is implemented in the future, it may draw a resurgence of interest, & I have faith that Mr Murray did not intend to deliver a broken mess previously.

After some time to withdraw from public & motivate his team, the next big update release will need to address a lot of concerns or Hello Games will not be taken seriously again.
[HUKD Deal Editor] 1 Like #16
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Is there something wrong with your other thread that you created then abandoned?...
BuzzDuraband
No, it looks ok to me. Did I make a spelling mistake?
So... you are contributing further with this one.
OK...
I was not prepared to play the title originally because it was very clear from the video footage that the overall vision was far from a "game", but just an interactive experience, or a demonstration of a technical goal.
Mr Murray was obviously under a lot of pressure, not only from the imposed deadline but, also, as you said above, from the public's perception of what they were going to receive.
If, for example, Virtual Reality support is implemented in the future, it may draw a resurgence of interest, & I have faith that Mr Murray did not intend to deliver a broken mess previously.
After some time to withdraw from public & motivate his team, the next big update release will need to address a lot of concerns or Hello Games will not be taken seriously again.

My apologies FP. I genuinely missed a (_;) off the end of my original comment. I can't go back and edit it, because the OCD in me won't allow it (I hate the edited message).

I totally agree with everything you say, I'm not really concerned about VR being implemented at this (or any foreseeable) stage, but I really do think that (the intended) NMS on paper (or from what we have seen from it) really would work well with it.

I genuinely do feel for Murray because he, like most of us is probably just a gamer with massive ideas floating around in his head, ideas he wanted to put to reality and allow NMS to become (as anticipated) the greatest game this generation. For a guy/company who only really have the Joe Danger franchise behind them, it certainly was a most optimistic dream to make, even more so with timing and the flood back in 2014.

I didn't purchase NMS at launch and then the reviews started to flood in, but I would genuinely be happy to give Sean Murray and Hello Games another chance. To be perfectly honest, if my dream had flopped as bad as Murray's did, I'd have run as far away as possible too :D
#17
but I strongly believe that us, the consumers are equally to blame for piecing together little snippets of Murray's comments and creating our own game

Well keep believing that and making excuses for others mistakes.. I didnt piece anything together, was promised and expected..

somehow victim blaming seems very common now.

EDIT (to wind you up a little ;) ) Its too little to late everyone has moved on now, Hello Games will just bankrupt themselves fixing a dead game.

Edited By: haritori on Nov 25, 2016 19:38
#18
Nearly bought it on release despite bad reviews but I have held off for this long. I will definitely buy it when it's cheap but seeing it still £39.99 in Game/HMV is pretty hilarious.
#19
Should have released as early access with a road map of updates already in place. I had it on pre order until a few days before release, and haven't even tried it yet. Maybe I never will but I hope they find a way to save the game (and their reputation)
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haritori
but I strongly believe that us, the consumers are equally to blame for piecing together little snippets of Murray's comments and creating our own game

Well keep believing that and making excuses for others mistakes.. I didnt piece anything together, was promised and expected..

somehow victim blaming seems very common now.

EDIT (to wind you up a little ;) ) Its too little to late everyone has moved on now, Hello Games will just bankrupt themselves fixing a dead game.


Depends how you look at. The game fundamentals are almost impossible to be changed. Don't expect an online multiplayer feature to be added or the number of planets get to as near as they promised. Look at this way, someone made a mistake, they apologise and try their best to make it up for you as much as their surrounding limits allow them. If Hello game does this, why not giving them a chance of survival? At the end of the day, the more competitors are in the market, the better games will be expected to be out. You let someone like EA or Konami grow and let indies die, then you'll have to pay stupid money for FIFA again and again and again every year.
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I bought it within the first week from GAME (Yes I am aware there was cheaper places to acquire this masterpiece)
Sank around 10-12 hours into it, and after about 3 it just got really repetitive, go to a new planetary system, learn new alien words, help myself to resources, refill my mining guns ammo, refill warp engine, repeat. Sold it before the price drop for around £36, wish I would of just waited, I would maybe consider repurchasing it later on, but only after I'd seen the extent of what they build upon the foundations that they are laying.

EDIT: Forgot a fullstop, sorry Buzz (_;)

Edited By: nathan3007 on Nov 25, 2016 19:50
#22
catbeans
No sorry, i wouldn't pay full price for a green lit game nor would most people, so charging full price for essentially a demo of a claimed game then not being honest, let alone being honest in the first place, I'm not waiting another 3 or 4 years for this game to get even close to claims. No mans sky had less content than Minecraft on release.
Not to mention building bases for what? There is zero reason, there is zero function it, is the base one of the FOUR prefabs in the entire game?
Not to mention the fact the price barely dropped for black Friday, when newer triple AAA games can down to 20 to 30 pound. I'll be waiting for the deal post at £10~15.

£12.50 in CEX if you're tempted!
[HUKD Deal Editor] 1 Like #23
haritori
EDIT (to wind you up a little ;) )

:D Fair play. A thread of edits.
1 Like #24
mixmixi
I'd always like to see people's attempt to correct their mistakes. I've recently started playing homefront and although I could've bought it cheaper preowned, I paid the new price to support the developers since they've been trying to correct their mistake. I'll probably give no mans sky a chance but I'll wait until they release the update to see how jones they're this time...


I hope they make it great I really do, I stupidly bought it digitally, so I'm stuck with it.

But I would love for it to be what it was supposed to be, sadly I think too many people have walked away disappointed, too many people will not trust Hello Games again either.

They would of been better to close Hello Games, open a new studio and start afresh on a new game, so I suppose we should give them credit for morally doing the right thing..

Sean Murray is just going to be forever a PR disaster, I suspect we wont hear much from Murray ever again.
#25
I really enjoyed it for a couple of days. I also feel for the bloke a bit, I dont think for one minute he was out to con everyone, he got in out of his depth and sank. I will keep the game and see what they come up with, there is potential and it does work as a relaxing diversion now and then. Besides, because thousands of people threw a paddy over it, its not worth anything anyway lol.
#26
Once a company/persons prove themselves to be morally bankrupt, it's a done deal.

They took so long to get back to us because...? The thing about time is it gives people a chance to forget a lot of the terrible things. Now that they're back after a hiatus it's easy to let silly things enter your head like "maybe they weren't that bad after all" and begin supporting their idea again.

Then you go back to the E3 gameplay they showed us and compare it to the game we got and it's a very simple, no thank you. The money you paid for it is gone, let it go.

edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/4y1h9i/wheres_the_no_mans_sky_we_were_sold_on_a_big_list/


Edited By: Deetea on Nov 25, 2016 20:52
1 Like #27
It doesn't instill confidence that the first update is an element that runs counter to the current core of NMS. The current loop is land on planet, scavenge planet, leave planet, and then warp to next system. Repeat. There's no gameplay built into NMS that warrants you to stay on a planet or within the same system. So if you leave the system, you're essentially leaving behind any hard work done on a base. You'd think actually scrapping and setting a new gameplay core would be top priority, given how dreadful the core gameplay loop is in NMS (too much busywork for a zen-like experience, too laid back / shallow for a survival game).

Allowing full manual flight, land based vehicles, make shooting feel enjoyable, mixing up enemy varieties, allowing terrain destruction via normal lasers (not just grenades), etc, would be a step in the right direction. Base building screams out distraction.

"Hey, never mind looking at all these issues inflicting every single part of the game... look over here, now you can build!"

Edited By: neilanderton1 on Nov 25, 2016 21:22
1 Like #28
Too late. Hello Games rep is in tatters
1 Like #29
neilanderton1
It doesn't instill confidence that the first update is an element that runs counter to the current core of NMS. The current loop is land on planet, scavenge planet, leave planet, and then warp to next system. Repeat. There's no gameplay built into NMS that warrants you to stay on a planet or within the same system. So if you leave the system, you're essentially leaving behind any hard work done on a base. You'd think actually scrapping and setting a new gameplay core would be top priority, given how dreadful the core gameplay loop is in NMS (too much busywork for a zen-like experience, too laid back / shallow for a survival game).
Allowing full manual flight, land based vehicles, make shooting feel enjoyable, mixing up enemy varieties, allowing terrain destruction via normal lasers (not just grenades), etc, would be a step in the right direction. Base building screams out distraction.
"Hey, never mind looking at all these issues inflicting every single part of the game... look over here, now you can build!"

Turd Polishing 101
#30
BuzzDuraband
...I genuinely do feel for Murray because he, like most of us is probably just a gamer with massive ideas floating around in his head, ideas he wanted to put to reality and allow NMS to become (as anticipated) the greatest game this generation. For a guy/company who only really have the Joe Danger franchise behind them, it certainly was a most optimistic dream to make, even more so with timing and the flood back in 2014.

The original team at Hello Games (Sean, Grant, Ryan, & David) all had established careers in the industry (at notable competitors) prior to forming the Company, & I doubt this is the first time a title has not been received as well as originally intended.

All are very talented. All deserve success but perhaps this was a wake-up call to involve other agencies to handle press, marketing, & advertising, rather than trying to do everything themselves.
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It was all worth it just for this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvAwB7ogkik
#32
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BuzzDuraband
...I genuinely do feel for Murray because he, like most of us is probably just a gamer with massive ideas floating around in his head, ideas he wanted to put to reality and allow NMS to become (as anticipated) the greatest game this generation. For a guy/company who only really have the Joe Danger franchise behind them, it certainly was a most optimistic dream to make, even more so with timing and the flood back in 2014.
The original team at Hello Games (Sean, Grant, Ryan, & David) all had established careers in the industry (at notable competitors) prior to forming the Company, & I doubt this is the first time a title has not been received as well as originally intended.
All are very talented. All deserve success but perhaps this was a wake-up call to involve other agencies to handle press, marketing, & advertising, rather than trying to do everything themselves.

Its not a PR nightmare, its Sean on video being asked questions and him indicating yes, when he should of said no or explain his position. Its them claiming inc. On Sean's Twitter even post release you could meet in game, even up intill people ended up on the same planet in the game. Its stickers over special editions covering up the multiplayer label. That is nothing to do with marketing, thats a problem with lying.

Edit; Not even all the clips of Sean lying; https://youtu.be/AE0nuW-mQ8A

Edited By: catbeans on Nov 25, 2016 22:26
#33
catbeans
...Edit; Not even all the clips of Sean lying; https://youtu.be/AE0nuW-mQ8A

I did not hear any lies in that montage.

Your comprehension of his replies, or the skill of those conducting the interviews, is/was the problem; not what was said.
#34
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catbeans
...Edit; Not even all the clips of Sean lying; https://youtu.be/AE0nuW-mQ8A
I did not hear any lies in that montage.
Your comprehension of his replies, or the skill of those conducting the interviews, is/was the problem; not what was said.

"Will you be able to play with friends" , Sean- "yes"

Sean- " you don't know what you look like, so the only way to see yourself is for someone else to see you"

Can you run into other people, other players in the game? "yes".


Please explain how I am misconstrueding these statements by assuming thus game is multiplayer?
1 Like #35
catbeans
"Will you be able to play with friends" , Sean- "yes"

If they are sat with you.

catbeans
Sean- " you don't know what you look like, so the only way to see yourself is for someone else to see you"

True. Although the likelihood of that happening is very small (albeit not impossible as it happened during the first week of release).

catbeans
Can you run into other people, other players in the game? "yes".

You can visit a location previously visited by another player (indicated by the other player naming one of the in-game elements).

catbeans
Please explain how I am misconstrueding these statements by assuming thus game is multiplayer?

I see; your assumptions are your problem.

PS. I am not here to defend Hello Games. I just do not trust any information given to me during marketing of any product, unless I have seen the proof for myself.
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catbeans
"Will you be able to play with friends" , Sean- "yes"
If they are sat with you.
catbeans
Sean- " you don't know what you look like, so the only way to see yourself is for someone else to see you"
True. Although the likelihood of that happening is very small (albeit not impossible as it happened during the first week of release).
catbeans
Can you run into other people, other players in the game? "yes".
You can visit a location previously visited by another player (indicated by the other player naming one of the in-game elements).
catbeans
Please explain how I am misconstrueding these statements by assuming thus game is multiplayer?
I see; your assumptions are your problem.
PS. I am not here to defend Hello Games. I just do not trust any information given to me during marketing of any product, unless I have seen the proof for myself.

Then why are you twisting simple questions with clear meanings and clear responses to mean complete nonsense?

It was marked as a multiplayer game, cases were printed with multiplayer, the stickered over and sold as a multiplayer game, it wasnt just in the interviews.
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catbeans
Then why are you twisting simple questions with clear meanings and clear responses to mean complete nonsense?

It was marked as a multiplayer game, cases were printed with multiplayer, the stickered over and sold as a multiplayer game, it wasnt just in the interviews.

As I understand how to be ambiguous with responses.

For your information:

[ https://youtu.be/A8P2CZg3sJQ?t=630 ]

From two days before release in Europe (& the day before release in North America):

[ https://twitter.com/nomanssky/status/762688708764135425 ]
#38
They oughta port a fixed version to Xbox..I'd pay £15 for it.
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catbeans
Then why are you twisting simple questions with clear meanings and clear responses to mean complete nonsense?
It was marked as a multiplayer game, cases were printed with multiplayer, the stickered over and sold as a multiplayer game, it wasnt just in the interviews.
As I understand how to be ambiguous with responses.
For your information:
[ https://youtu.be/A8P2CZg3sJQ?t=630 ]
From two days before release in Europe (& the day before release in North America):
[ https://twitter.com/nomanssky/status/762688708764135425 ]

But those responses aren't ambiguous at all, they are "yes" or "other players will be able to see you".
And come on dude, a twitter post two days before release makes it look even worse, even game journalists didnt know whether this was multiplayer or not. Which by the way Sean replies to his own post "The chances of two players ever crossing paths in a universe this large is pretty much zero." - which not only turned out to not be true, day one, but again muddies the water, whnexthe responses are asking him to clarify.

Also from the same day he linked an article on the no mans sky website, one day before release... "That means this maybe isn’t the game you *imagined* from those trailers. If you hoped for things like pvp multiplayer or city building, piloting freighters, or building civilisations… that isn’t what NMS is. Over time it might become some of those things through updates." All things previously promised and were said to be in the game. It isnt marketing speel, its failure to put out a product. Those things WERE promised and those trailers show those things in the game that were promised.

Game journalists were confused and putting out articles confused the day of release. Most people aren't subscribed to his twitter. It was a scam anscthey refused to admit they fudged up.

Edited By: catbeans on Nov 25, 2016 23:56
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