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Just seen on the lunchtime news that you have to have a tv licence to watch the BBC iPlayer. Don't know how it will be policed. Full story HERE Previously, iPlayer users only needed a licence…
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5m, 3w agoPosted 5 months, 3 weeks ago
Just seen on the lunchtime news that you have to have a tv licence to watch the BBC iPlayer. Don't know how it will be policed.

Full story HERE

Previously, iPlayer users only needed a licence if they were using the service to watch live broadcasts.

That meant it was legal to watch programmes after broadcast on catch-up without paying the annual £145.50 fee.

But the TV licence requirements have now been extended to include catch-up, online premieres and online-only shows.
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5m, 3w agoPosted 5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Can't blame them.This poor fella doesn't even have a tablet due to the cuts ;)
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#2
they kind of cant police it, its just a pop up to ask if you have tv licensing, bit daft but the truthful ones will abide and others wont. I deleted both my apps this morning.
4 Likes #3
The Internet Police will come and get you!

On a serious note, I hate paying the TV license. If we truly lived in a democracy then BBC and a TV license will be optional.
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Can't blame them.This poor fella doesn't even have a tablet due to the cuts ;)
http://digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/16/19/640x320/landscape-1462896491-bbc-invisible-tablet-gif.gif
1 Like #5
Who watches BBC iPlayer anyway? It's full of shizzle programmes
2 Likes #6
RossD89
bass2655
If we truly lived in a democracy then BBC and a TV license will be optional.
We do, and it is...
You pay for commercial TV whether or not you have a TV. Take the annual TV advertising revenue and divide by the number of households. IIRC, it comes to about £145 a year. Now, that money has to come from somewhere. If you follow it down the food chain it ultimately comes from us consumers.
#7
Fluffykins
RossD89
bass2655
If we truly lived in a democracy then BBC and a TV license will be optional.
We do, and it is...
You pay for commercial TV whether or not you have a TV. Take the annual TV advertising revenue and divide by the number of households. IIRC, it comes to about £145 a year. Now, that money has to come from somewhere. If you follow it down the food chain it ultimately comes from us consumers.


​thats one of the reasons I try not to buy anything advertised by millionaire sportspeople/celebrity's
3 Likes #8
TV Licence people called round today. Stuck a letter through my door saying they had called, but once again they never even knocked. This has happened multiple times now. Shame, I would have liked to have engaged them about all the junk they post me.

iplayer already deleted on my PS4 and PS3 :3 Thanks Norfy :)
#9
bass2655
The Internet Police will come and get you!

On a serious note, I hate paying the TV license. If we truly lived in a democracy then BBC and a TV license will be optional.

It is optional :/
#11
13norfolk
Just seen on the lunchtime news that you have to have a tv licence to watch the BBC iPlayer. Don't know how it will be policed.

By false rumours & scaremongering (as usual)...

[ http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/end-iplayer-tv-licence-loophole-from-1st-september-2487777 ]
[ http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/new-tv-license-rules-r-p-free-bbc-iplayer-2446752 ]
#12
bass2655
The Internet Police will come and get you!

On a serious note, I hate paying the TV license. If we truly lived in a democracy then BBC and a TV license will be optional.


​They are optional oO but if you use it you have to pay for it. Not really undemocratic! Unless you'd rather the government paid for it all? Seems to work in China!
1 Like #13

Ah the good old threat 'We know the vast majority of people are law abiding'. The implication being, you must be a two bit crim to think the iPlayer isn't worth paying for.
#14


So... do I now need a licence to watch news clips on the BBC website?

Edited By: steve1221 on Sep 01, 2016 16:52
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moneysavingkitten
bass2655
The Internet Police will come and get you!
On a serious note, I hate paying the TV license. If we truly lived in a democracy then BBC and a TV license will be optional.
It is optional :/
Yes and it shouldn't be !
While I don't agree the BBC funding should be cut
Have it centrally funded and index linked
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/sep/01/tv-licence-fee-bbc1-centre-for-policy-studies
1 Like #16
Hi Norfy X) x
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thewongwing101
moneysavingkitten
bass2655
The Internet Police will come and get you!
On a serious note, I hate paying the TV license. If we truly lived in a democracy then BBC and a TV license will be optional.
It is optional :/
Yes and it shouldn't be !
While I don't agree the BBC funding should be cut
Have it centrally funded and index linkedhttps://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/sep/01/tv-licence-fee-bbc1-centre-for-policy-studies

I don't entirely agree, but there are a lot of interesting points in there.

Especially this bit:

The report said that the BBC, which it called a “state-funded colossus”, should only provide content that “is important to the UK’s social, political and cultural wellbeing”.

It claimed that the BBC had not been “genuinely innovative” and that a BBC archive of content should be open for all to use.
#18
moneysavingkitten
thewongwing101
moneysavingkitten
bass2655
The Internet Police will come and get you!
On a serious note, I hate paying the TV license. If we truly lived in a democracy then BBC and a TV license will be optional.
It is optional :/
Yes and it shouldn't be !
While I don't agree the BBC funding should be cut
Have it centrally funded and index linkedhttps://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/sep/01/tv-licence-fee-bbc1-centre-for-policy-studies
I don't entirely agree, but there are a lot of interesting points in there.
Especially this bit:
The report said that the BBC, which it called a “state-funded colossus”, should only provide content that “is important to the UK’s social, political and cultural wellbeing”.
It claimed that the BBC had not been “genuinely innovative” and that a BBC archive of content should be open for all to use.

"a BBC archive of content should be open for all to use."

Good idea in theory but it would eliminate two of the BBC's income streams, namely the selling of broadcast rights for older programmes to other TV companies and DVD/Blu Ray sales, meaning they would need additional state funding to make up the shortfall. I'd have no problem with that but a lot of people would.



Edited By: spoo on Sep 01, 2016 17:24
#19
steve1221
So... do I now need a licence to watch news clips on the BBC website?
This refers to Iplayer only via the app or the Web but not tiny news clips.
1 Like #20
moneysavingkitten
TV Licence people called round today. Stuck a letter through my door saying they had called, but once again they never even knocked. This has happened multiple times now. Shame, I would have liked to have engaged them about all the junk they post me.

iplayer already deleted on my PS4 and PS3 :3 Thanks Norfy :)


​ You'll probably find that it's not even Capita (on behalf of TVL) delivering that letter. They've subcontracted G4S to deliver letters saying "we visited at ##pm but lucky for you no one was home."
It's pure and simple intimidation.
#21
peter1223
bass2655
The Internet Police will come and get you!

On a serious note, I hate paying the TV license. If we truly lived in a democracy then BBC and a TV license will be optional.


​They are optional oO but if you use it you have to pay for it. Not really undemocratic! Unless you'd rather the government paid for it all? Seems to work in China!


​If you have a TV is it not true that you must have a TV license, whether you wanna watch BBC or not?

I for example never use any of the BBC channels but am told I have to have license as I have access to then via my virgin media tivo. I would rather BBC blocked unless you pay license, I won't pay like many others and it can stay blocked.
1 Like #22
Not had one since I moved out of home, never will pay for one.

Come at me
3 Likes #23
bass2655
peter1223
bass2655
The Internet Police will come and get you!
On a serious note, I hate paying the TV license. If we truly lived in a democracy then BBC and a TV license will be optional.
​They are optional oO but if you use it you have to pay for it. Not really undemocratic! Unless you'd rather the government paid for it all? Seems to work in China!
​If you have a TV is it not true that you must have a TV license, whether you wanna watch BBC or not?
I for example never use any of the BBC channels but am told I have to have license as I have access to then via my virgin media tivo. I would rather BBC blocked unless you pay license, I won't pay like many others and it can stay blocked.
You don't have to have a TV licence if you own/use a TV as long as you arent watching live broadcasts.

Eg TV + Netflix = no licence required.
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xdq
moneysavingkitten
TV Licence people called round today. Stuck a letter through my door saying they had called, but once again they never even knocked. This has happened multiple times now. Shame, I would have liked to have engaged them about all the junk they post me.
iplayer already deleted on my PS4 and PS3 :3 Thanks Norfy :)
​ You'll probably find that it's not even Capita (on behalf of TVL) delivering that letter. They've subcontracted G4S to deliver letters saying "we visited at ##pm but lucky for you no one was home."
It's pure and simple intimidation.

The only one that ever dared knock on my door (he was already running away by the time I opened it, gut hanging out the bottom of his untucked shirt and all) was in G4S uniform. He told me not to speak to him and to call the number on the letter and 'give them some abuse'. No, I was not being abusive to him. I got the impression he didn't like them either.
#25
stuarthanley
bass2655
peter1223
bass2655
The Internet Police will come and get you!
On a serious note, I hate paying the TV license. If we truly lived in a democracy then BBC and a TV license will be optional.
​They are optional oO but if you use it you have to pay for it. Not really undemocratic! Unless you'd rather the government paid for it all? Seems to work in China!
​If you have a TV is it not true that you must have a TV license, whether you wanna watch BBC or not?
I for example never use any of the BBC channels but am told I have to have license as I have access to then via my virgin media tivo. I would rather BBC blocked unless you pay license, I won't pay like many others and it can stay blocked.
You don't have to have a TV licence if you own/use a TV as long as you arent watching live broadcasts.

Eg TV + Netflix = no licence required.


​That's how I understand it. It just sucks that there is no way to cut out bbc and keep getting the other live broadcasts that are not funded by the TV license fee.
#26
13norfolk
Just seen on the lunchtime news that you have to have a tv licence to watch the BBC iPlayer. Don't know how it will be policed.

According to the iPlayer app page on the Google Play Store:

Device ID & Call Information

"Read phone status and identity"
This permission is used to read the Android "Device ID". This is an anonymous ID that cannot be used to identify the user and is not used to track the user. It is used by iPlayer's content protection system to ensure that downloaded programmes can only be played on the device that downloaded them. iPlayer does not use this permission to determine the device phone number, whether a call is active, or the remote number in a connected call.

So apparently they can't identify who is using the device. However, it then goes on to say:

"Full network access"
iPlayer needs access to the internet to download programmes, schedules and information about programmes and configuration, and to send usage statistics.

So who knows what information it might send back to Auntie...
#27
Got rid of my Sky & TV licence a year ago & never looked back.
#28
thewongwing101
moneysavingkitten
bass2655
The Internet Police will come and get you!
On a serious note, I hate paying the TV license. If we truly lived in a democracy then BBC and a TV license will be optional.
It is optional :/
Yes and it shouldn't be !
While I don't agree the BBC funding should be cut
Have it centrally funded and index linked
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/sep/01/tv-licence-fee-bbc1-centre-for-policy-studies

In the consultation last year I suggested that they fund their catch-up content in exactly the same way that other broadcasters do: add adverts. And if people want to watch live BBC broadcasts via the internet, they should simply have to enter their TV licence number and postcode (BBC can then sell licences to access their content to people in other countries also). Not a difficult solution I thought. Then again, I think the TV licence should be scrapped altogether and the BBC funded from general taxation - the removal of the TV licence bureaucracy alone would bring about a saving of £100m a year. Still I guess it keeps a few people employed, albeit in pointless, unproductive jobs.
#29
3guesses
thewongwing101
moneysavingkitten
bass2655
The Internet Police will come and get you!
On a serious note, I hate paying the TV license. If we truly lived in a democracy then BBC and a TV license will be optional.
It is optional :/
Yes and it shouldn't be !
While I don't agree the BBC funding should be cut
Have it centrally funded and index linkedhttps://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/sep/01/tv-licence-fee-bbc1-centre-for-policy-studies
In the consultation last year I suggested that they fund their catch-up content in exactly the same way that other broadcasters do: add adverts. And if people want to watch live BBC broadcasts via the internet, they should simply have to enter their TV licence number and postcode (BBC can then sell licences to access their content to people in other countries also). Not a difficult solution I thought. Then again, I think the TV licence should be scrapped altogether and the BBC funded from general taxation - the removal of the TV licence bureaucracy alone would bring about a saving of £100m a year. Still I guess it keeps a few people employed, albeit in pointless, unproductive jobs.
That is exactly what I am saying and always have
Either have any increase index linked or a Quango to set it or a mixture
I think it right the charter should be reviewed but keep the politicians largely out of it
#30
thewongwing101
3guesses
thewongwing101
moneysavingkitten
bass2655
The Internet Police will come and get you!
On a serious note, I hate paying the TV license. If we truly lived in a democracy then BBC and a TV license will be optional.
It is optional :/
Yes and it shouldn't be !
While I don't agree the BBC funding should be cut
Have it centrally funded and index linkedhttps://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/sep/01/tv-licence-fee-bbc1-centre-for-policy-studies
In the consultation last year I suggested that they fund their catch-up content in exactly the same way that other broadcasters do: add adverts. And if people want to watch live BBC broadcasts via the internet, they should simply have to enter their TV licence number and postcode (BBC can then sell licences to access their content to people in other countries also). Not a difficult solution I thought. Then again, I think the TV licence should be scrapped altogether and the BBC funded from general taxation - the removal of the TV licence bureaucracy alone would bring about a saving of £100m a year. Still I guess it keeps a few people employed, albeit in pointless, unproductive jobs.
That is exactly what I am saying and always have
Either have any increase index linked or a Quango to set it or a mixture
I think it right the charter should be reviewed but keep the politicians largely out of it

They already have a committee (quango) to decide the licence fee, so they can just decide the total amount of annual funding instead.
#31
3guesses
thewongwing101
3guesses
thewongwing101
moneysavingkitten
bass2655
The Internet Police will come and get you!
On a serious note, I hate paying the TV license. If we truly lived in a democracy then BBC and a TV license will be optional.
It is optional :/
Yes and it shouldn't be !
While I don't agree the BBC funding should be cut
Have it centrally funded and index linkedhttps://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/sep/01/tv-licence-fee-bbc1-centre-for-policy-studies
In the consultation last year I suggested that they fund their catch-up content in exactly the same way that other broadcasters do: add adverts. And if people want to watch live BBC broadcasts via the internet, they should simply have to enter their TV licence number and postcode (BBC can then sell licences to access their content to people in other countries also). Not a difficult solution I thought. Then again, I think the TV licence should be scrapped altogether and the BBC funded from general taxation - the removal of the TV licence bureaucracy alone would bring about a saving of £100m a year. Still I guess it keeps a few people employed, albeit in pointless, unproductive jobs.
That is exactly what I am saying and always have
Either have any increase index linked or a Quango to set it or a mixture
I think it right the charter should be reviewed but keep the politicians largely out of it
They already have a committee (quango) to decide the licence fee, so they can just decide the total amount of annual funding instead.
Yes
However it was the Tories who decided to freeze it in 2010
and now increase it by inflation but syphon that off to the Foreign office
#32
3guesses
13norfolk
Just seen on the lunchtime news that you have to have a tv licence to watch the BBC iPlayer. Don't know how it will be policed.
According to the iPlayer app page on the Google Play Store:
Device ID & Call Information
"Read phone status and identity"
This permission is used to read the Android "Device ID". This is an anonymous ID that cannot be used to identify the user and is not used to track the user. It is used by iPlayer's content protection system to ensure that downloaded programmes can only be played on the device that downloaded them. iPlayer does not use this permission to determine the device phone number, whether a call is active, or the remote number in a connected call.
So apparently they can't identify who is using the device. However, it then goes on to say:
"Full network access"
iPlayer needs access to the internet to download programmes, schedules and information about programmes and configuration, and to send usage statistics.
So who knows what information it might send back to Auntie...

Yet they claim not to log IP addresses!
#33
If you are out of the Country or a foreigner, then watch iplayer for free.
Or get these to pay the license.
Stirring the pot. Sorry.
#34
Cancelled licence last year got the email saying don't need one because using Netflix and Amazon Prime don't even use iplayer yet they have insisted on taking us to court and fining us so we have now had to appeal to get it reversed and that's after calling them and being told it was a technical error and there would be no further action. Then today we got a letter saying you still do not have a licence and will be taken back to court and we still don't use anything related to BBC so called them again and they have apparently updated there records. I call bullpoo

Edited By: MikeT on Sep 02, 2016 06:07
#35
moneysavingkitten
3guesses
13norfolk
Just seen on the lunchtime news that you have to have a tv licence to watch the BBC iPlayer. Don't know how it will be policed.
According to the iPlayer app page on the Google Play Store:
Device ID & Call Information
"Read phone status and identity"
This permission is used to read the Android "Device ID". This is an anonymous ID that cannot be used to identify the user and is not used to track the user. It is used by iPlayer's content protection system to ensure that downloaded programmes can only be played on the device that downloaded them. iPlayer does not use this permission to determine the device phone number, whether a call is active, or the remote number in a connected call.
So apparently they can't identify who is using the device. However, it then goes on to say:
"Full network access"
iPlayer needs access to the internet to download programmes, schedules and information about programmes and configuration, and to send usage statistics.
So who knows what information it might send back to Auntie...
Yet they claim not to log IP addresses!

Well IP's can be spoofed so it can't be used to identify a person. I also read somewhere that they have vans that grab packets out of the air and sniff them which is illegal, but hey the BBC said they can do it so they will.
#36
Chardill
Cancelled licence last year got the email saying don't need one because using Netflix and Amazon Prime don't even use iplayer yet they have insisted on taking us to court and fining us so we have now had to appeal to get it reversed and that's after calling them and being told it was a technical error and there would be no further action. Then today we got a letter saying you still do not have a licence and will be taken back to court and we still don't use anything related to BBC so called them again and they have apparently updated there records. I call bullpoo

I had no problems myself. Even got a part refund as I paid with cash for the year. They will keep sending a letter every 6 months to see if you need a TV licence which is annoying since you need to get back to them saying the same thing you told them 6 months ago.
#37
all tv license stuff just gets binned - been doing that for the past 25 years
#38
kick_u_in_the_nuts
all tv license stuff just gets binned - been doing that for the past 25 years

Tut, tut, should be recycled.
#39
3guesses
kick_u_in_the_nuts
all tv license stuff just gets binned - been doing that for the past 25 years
Tut, tut, should be recycled.

I keep all of mine in a folder, I want to see how thick it can get.
#40
just got sky back so suppose i better start paying this again :(

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