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Nursery/Kindergarden Rules-Should we pay if we don`t use it?

inamar Avatar
6y, 2w agoPosted 6 years, 2 weeks ago
Hi,I was just furious to find out that you still have to pay to the Nursery/Kindergarden even if your child is sick, or you are on vacation for a few weeks?
Do you think that`s just not fair or is just me?
I believe this is money machine, but why we have to pay for services we don`t curently use???
inamar Avatar
6y, 2w agoPosted 6 years, 2 weeks ago
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1 Like #1
Do you get paid if you are sick or on holiday?
#2
Thats just it though, its a service you are paying for like any other business. If you decide not to use it, even though your child is ill, you still have the facility there for your use.
5 Likes #3
of course its fair-they can only allocate a certain number of places-your child has taken one of those places. Whether they are there or not,staff still need paying,electricity/insurance etc etc still need to be paid.If your child is sick they still have to pay-a nursery isnt something you can secure a place at and then use when you like on a pay as you go basis
#4
Same as your council tax. You are paying for services you specifically may not use.
#5
Do you get sick pay/holiday pay? So do the nursery.

How are they supposed to budget etc if they lose money because you take your child out during term time?
#6
I am just having this worry as I am a childminder and 1 of my kids is off with chicken pox which means I can't have him. his mum is off work so I am not having his sibling either even though I am available. Do I charge half or full?
#7
kerryrobb
I am just having this worry as I am a childminder and 1 of my kids is off with chicken pox which means I can't have him. his mum is off work so I am not having his sibling either even though I am available. Do I charge half or full?

you charge FULL-they took one of the limited places you have-you are running a business-simple as.All childminders in this area do the same.
#8
They still have to pay staff to maintain ratios.
#9
Have to see what she says I know it's the right thing to do but they don't always understand!!
#10
as the same as all the above you have the placement and if you are not using it someone else can so it has to be kept open for you so you need to pay regardless :)
#11
kerryrobb
Have to see what she says I know it's the right thing to do but they don't always understand!!


This used to be a big problem for me when I was a childminder, but as long as you have told them up front and its in your contract and policy documents most parents understand.
banned#12
There is a crèche near us that don't charge if your child is sick or you are on holiday, though spaces are very limited and you have to book in advance.
#13
You pay for a space for your child, when your child is off the nursery can't fill that space to make up the money.
1 Like #14
kerryrobb
I am just having this worry as I am a childminder and 1 of my kids is off with chicken pox which means I can't have him. his mum is off work so I am not having his sibling either even though I am available. Do I charge half or full?

kerryrobb
Have to see what she says I know it's the right thing to do but they don't always understand!!


What does it say in your contract with the parent? My wife is a childminder and she says she would charge full. Its their choice to keep both off.
[helper]#15
Oh dont even get me started!!!!!! I have to pay in full throughout the year, every single day!!!! If my children are off sick, if i want to go on an advanced holidau, all over christmas, all throughout the normal school holidays! And i pay £300 a week for just 2 n half days a week!!!
[helper]#16
bernyrabbit
Thats just it though, its a service you are paying for like any other business. If you decide not to use it, even though your child is ill, you still have the facility there for your use.

Not necessarily though, as if your child is sick, depending on what with they have a huge rule book for different illnesses and they are NOT allowed in on some of the illnesses therefore thats not our choice to keep them off but the nurseries, therfore we should not have to pay in this instance. Same as if you take your child to the GP and they give them antibiotics, they are not allowed back in nursery until they have been on antibiotics for 48 hours!!!
[helper]#17
kerryrobb
Have to see what she says I know it's the right thing to do but they don't always understand!!


My friend used to use a childminder, and if her little boy was sick she still had to pay, it was only if the childminder went on holiday did she not have to pay or i think she may of paid half, i cant remember :)
#18
missgem
Oh dont even get me started!!!!!! I have to pay in full throughout the year, every single day!!!! If my children are off sick, if i want to go on an advanced holidau, all over christmas, all throughout the normal school holidays! And i pay £300 a week for just 2 n half days a wee k!!!


So you have to pay for days you don't use (the other 2 and a half days)?
[helper]#19
marsland95l2cr
missgem
Oh dont even get me started!!!!!! I have to pay in full throughout the year, every single day!!!! If my children are off sick, if i want to go on an advanced holidau, all over christmas, all throughout the normal school holidays! And i pay £300 a week for just2 n half days a wee k!!!
So you have to pay for days you don't use (the other 2 and a half days)?

Nooo i just pay the 2 n half days i do use, every week for 52 weeks a year, regardless if there off sick, and nursery wont allow them in i.e chicken pox, dioreaha, etc x
[helper]#20
An Example, one of my boys were off sick for 2 weeks with chicken pox, i still had to pay full for those 2 weeks, then the week he went back the other was off sick for 2 weeks with chicken pox so i had pay full then so in effect i paid £300 each 2 weeks they wernt there so £600 for nothing as they wernt there hahah and nursery wouldnt allow them there! x
#21
oh, well that is correct. as said above they can't fill the space for the time your child is off.

Edit - this is what employers must feel like with all the sickies pulled every year.

Edited By: marsland95l2cr on Nov 23, 2010 17:41
#22
barky
of course its fair-they can only allocate a certain number of places-your child has taken one of those places. Whether they are there or not,staff still need paying,electricity/insurance etc etc still need to be paid.If your child is sick they still have to pay-a nursery isnt something you can secure a place at and then use when you like on a pay as you go basis

^^^^^^ this :) I pay £10.50 for a 2hr45min session for my little one if shes there or not, staff still have to be payed etc
#23
I am sure she will be ok with paying full as the majority is covered by tax credits.
1 Like #24
It was the same where I used to send my eldest. What irritated me the most was that we still had to pay when they were shut (for new carpets/Christmas/Bank Holidays etc). I was not happy about that.
#25
Penny Saver
It was the same where I used to send my eldest. What irritated me the most was that we still had to pay when they were shut (for new carpets/Christmas/Bank Holidays etc). I was not happy about that.


that isn't right, you shouldn't have to pay is they are closed.
#26
I can understand the frustration, as childcare is expensive. Also considering the majority of contracted illnesses no doubt originate from the nursery, but that's life I guess.

My nursery don't charge for Xmas break, thankfully.
#27
marsland95l2cr
Penny Saver
It was the same where I used to send my eldest. What irritated me the most was that we still had to pay when they were shut (for new carpets/Christmas/Bank Holidays etc). I was not happy about that.


that isn't right, you shouldn't have to pay is they are closed.


I argued the point, but she said the staff have to get their holiday pay from somewhere. I was furious. Happily I gave up work soon after, so withdrew him altogether.
#28
missgem
marsland95l2cr
missgem
Oh dont even get me started!!!!!! I have to pay in full throughout the year, every single day!!!! If my children are off sick, if i want to go on an advanced holidau, all over christmas, all throughout the normal school holidays! And i pay £300 a week for just2 n half days a wee k!!!
So you have to pay for days you don't use (the other 2 and a half days)?


Nooo i just pay the 2 n half days i do use, every week for 52 weeks a year, regardless if there off sick, and nursery wont allow them in i.e chicken pox, dioreaha, etc x


How many children do you have?
1 Like #29
sancho1983


How many children do you have?


Looks like 3 from the avatar mate
#30
missgem
An Example, one of my boys were off sick for 2 weeks with chicken pox, i still had to pay full for those 2 weeks, then the week he went back the other was off sick for 2 weeks with chicken pox so i had pay full then so in effect i paid £300 each 2 weeks they wernt there so £600 for nothing as they wernt there hahah and nursery wouldnt allow them there! x


wow, thats an awful lot to pay a week oO...........infact only half a week you said , wow !
1 Like #31
@ inamar - Hope you didn't start this thread thinking everyone would agree with you!
#32
I was annoyed when we first put our son into Nursery but once I thought about it it makes perfect sense tbh. We are fortunate that our son is now 3 so gets free nusery for 15 hours a week.

The worst situation was when our son was off with chicken pox and my wife had to take unpaid leave to look after him yet we still had to pay nursery. However, nursery could hardly turn round to one member of staff and say we aren't paying you whilst the kids are off with chicken pox can they?

Edited By: stewby on Nov 23, 2010 18:28
[helper]#33
sancho1983
missgem
marsland95l2cr
missgem
Oh dont even get me started!!!!!! I have to pay in full throughout the year, every single day!!!! If my children are off sick, if i want to go on an advanced holidau, all over christmas, all throughout the normal school holidays! And i pay £300 a week for just2 n half days a wee k!!!
So you have to pay for days you don't use (the other 2 and a half days)?
Nooo i just pay the 2 n half days i do use, every week for 52 weeks a year, regardless if there off sick, and nursery wont allow them in i.e chicken pox, dioreaha, etc x
How many children do you have?


<<<<avatar = 3 children haha! It was £300 when the eldest 2 was in mon-fri all day but then when i had 3rd baby they wanted £450 a week!!!!! so i couldnt afford so dropped there days to 2 n half days a week for all 3 of um, and still pay £300 a week...x
#34
Penny Saver
marsland95l2cr
Penny Saver
It was the same where I used to send my eldest. What irritated me the most was that we still had to pay when they were shut (for new carpets/Christmas/Bank Holidays etc). I was not happy about that.
that isn't right, you shouldn't have to pay is they are closed.
I argued the point, but she said the staff have to get their holiday pay from somewhere. I was furious. Happily I gave up work soon after, so withdrew him altogether.
Presumably you are now going benefits now and getting paid all year round despite what you are doing, so isnt this just double standards.

if you are not claiming benefits i take the above back.

As someone who also pays for childcare it is rubbish when you have to pay for holidays etc but it will all be in your contract
[helper]#35
marsland95l2cr
Penny Saver
It was the same where I used to send my eldest. What irritated me the most was that we still had to pay when they were shut (for new carpets/Christmas/Bank Holidays etc). I was not happy about that.
that isn't right, you shouldn't have to pay is they are closed.

Yup you have to still pay if they are shut, including all Bank Holidays, and if they shut the nursery down for any other reson. Basically you have to pay ALL THE TIME! no matter what! x
#36
missgem
sancho1983
missgem
marsland95l2cr
missgem
Oh dont even get me started!!!!!! I have to pay in full throughout the year, every single day!!!! If my children are off sick, if i want to go on an advanced holidau, all over christmas, all throughout the normal school holidays! And i pay £300 a week for just2 n half days a wee k!!!
So you have to pay for days you don't use (the other 2 and a half days)?
Nooo i just pay the 2 n half days i do use, every week for 52 weeks a year, regardless if there off sick, and nursery wont allow them in i.e chicken pox, dioreaha, etc x
How many children do you have?



<<<<avatar = 3 children haha! It was £300 when the eldest 2 was in mon-fri all day but then when i had 3rd baby they wanted £450 a week!!!!! so i couldnt afford so dropped there days to 2 n half days a week for all 3 of um, and still pay £300 a week...x


That's a lot of money. Basically a decent sized mortgage - minimum of £1200 per month!

We're going to be in a similar situation soon, with #2 arriving in 6 weeks, it just doesn't make sense for my wife to be working simply to pay for childcare.
#37
After having worked in a number of nurseries a few years ago, i'd never consider sending my kids to one. Minimum wage plus long hours do not make for a decent environment in many cases. But then not everyone can make do with a single income as we do. Problematic!
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monkey.nut
Penny Saver
marsland95l2cr
Penny Saver
It was the same where I used to send my eldest. What irritated me the most was that we still had to pay when they were shut (for new carpets/Christmas/Bank Holidays etc). I was not happy about that.
that isn't right, you shouldn't have to pay is they are closed.
I argued the point, but she said the staff have to get their holiday pay from somewhere. I was furious. Happily I gave up work soon after, so withdrew him altogether.

Presumably you are now going benefits now and getting paid all year round despite what you are doing, so isnt this just double standards.

if you are not claiming benefits i take the above back.

As someone who also pays for childcare it is rubbish when you have to pay for holidays etc but it will all be in your contract


WHAT?! On what basis can you assume I am in receipt of benefits? Because I chose to give up work and take care of my children myself??? I'm once again stunned.
1 Like #39
Penny Saver
monkey.nut
Penny Saver
marsland95l2cr
Penny Saver
It was the same where I used to send my eldest. What irritated me the most was that we still had to pay when they were shut (for new carpets/Christmas/Bank Holidays etc). I was not happy about that.
that isn't right, you shouldn't have to pay is they are closed.
I argued the point, but she said the staff have to get their holiday pay from somewhere. I was furious. Happily I gave up work soon after, so withdrew him altogether.

Presumably you are now going benefits now and getting paid all year round despite what you are doing, so isnt this just double standards.

if you are not claiming benefits i take the above back.

As someone who also pays for childcare it is rubbish when you have to pay for holidays etc but it will all be in your contract


WHAT?! On what basis can you assume I am in receipt of benefits? Because I chose to give up work and take care of my children myself??? I'm once again stunned.


totally agree....I also chose to raise my children. whats the point in having them if you are working to pay for childcare, with a little left over, and missing out on the joy of raising them?
#40
I think It's about balance, my daughter goes for 13 hours per week, I have her for one afternoon so my wife can work 18 hours, seems to be the balance of earning enough to pay for nursery and it still be viable to work there.

Although wife is a manager at the nursery so we get 25% discount and only pay when daughter goes :)

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