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Olympics: petition the government - discussion

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Just a reminder for you really that there are plenty of petitions, to the government, to sign. Whether they take any notice I don't know, although sometimes the media catch on if a petition becomes po… Read More
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9y, 1m agoPosted 9 years, 1 month ago
Just a reminder for you really that there are plenty of petitions, to the government, to sign. Whether they take any notice I don't know, although sometimes the media catch on if a petition becomes popular. I was looking for one to sign about the repression by China and couldn't find exactly what I wanted but signed the two in the post below.
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9y, 1m agoPosted 9 years, 1 month ago
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Thanks chesso. You've promted me to consider this. I don't think I'd like to call for a complete ban on the olympics, mainly because I feel the athletes deserve their stage after years of training. I do though agree with measures which essentially would end the same message while allowing the athletes to compete. Some of these ideas have ben suggested already: British politicians and other officials should at least threaten to pull out to maximise their leverage (as Polly Toynbee has suggested). Even if they do't go that far, they could boycott the opening and closing cermonies, the two big events with maximum exposure, thus embarrassing the hosts and making them lose face (something people of confucian heritage strive to avoid above all else). Perhaps the athletes could also be convinced to boycott these? It would be a disappointment for them, but better than having the option to compete taken away. What do you think?
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I think they cherry pick which petitions they choose to believe/use as a basis for policy initiatives. I can't see them doing anything about the current situation. China is seen as too big an economic market to rock the boat.
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Liddle ol' me
Some of these ideas have ben suggested already: British politicians and other officials should at least threaten to pull out to maximise their leverage (as Polly Toynbee has suggested). Even if they do't go that far, they could boycott the opening and closing cermonies, the two big events with maximum exposure, thus embarrassing the hosts and making them lose face (something people of confucian heritage strive to avoid above all else). Perhaps the athletes could also be convinced to boycott these? It would be a disappointment for them, but better than having the option to compete taken away. What do you think?


Haven't read what Polly Toynbee has said, but there is a way to make a huge impact in the closing ceremonies with just one person boycotting the event. It's traditional in the closing ceremony for the hosts to hand over the flag to the mayor of the city that will be hosting the Olympics next. It signifies the continuation of the Olympics and the official start of the (in this case) London Olympiad. As this is the UK, it would be a huge statement. Ken could get his moment of wold-wide glory at last. ;-)
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nightswimmer
Haven't read what Polly Toynbee has said, but there is a way to make a huge impact in the closing ceremonies with just one person boycotting the event. It's traditional in the closing ceremony for the hosts to hand over the flag to the mayor of the city that will be hosting the Olympics next. It signifies the continuation of the Olympics and the official start of the (in this case) London Olympiad. As this is the UK, it would be a huge statement. Ken could get his moment of wold-wide glory at last. ;-)


yeah, now your talkin'! Come on Ken, baby! (Although I expect contingency plans are already underway by the Chinese given his rep)
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Yes. I was looking for one to sign that would call for a boycott by heads of state of the ceremonies. I would not like athletes to 'suffer' - they are all professionals and do represent thier countries - we leave aside the Olympic ideals discussion for another day. I feel certain that a boycott as such would be politically detrimental but, as it isn't going to happen, I thought I'd sign that one as a 'protest'. I hadn't thought of the Ken Livingstone idea. That sounds perfect NS and within the realms of possibility. ( Vote winner as well I would think!)
It is difficult to see how one could actually influence one of the largest and soon to become the most politically and economically important, nations on earth. I agree that a loss of face is about right.
#7
Seeing the protests in Athens on the news just now - and the way that the security guards violently bundled over one of the street protesters - suddenly makes me feel like hardening my position on this. The Chinese representative from the London Embassy on New 24 also angered me. He was spouting cr*p about these people going against the will of the people of the world - suggesting that 'we' care more about this important ceremony than the protests (i.e. rights) of the Tibtan people. You could tell he was squiming at some of the probing questions by the BBC presenter. * I say, let's make them squirm even more * * That Olympic flame has a long way to travel yet... *
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hey chesso, why not add Olympics or something similar to the title of this thread to see if it invites more discussion?
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Like that?
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Liddle ol' me
yeah, now your talkin'! Come on Ken, baby! (Although I expect contingency plans are already underway by the Chinese given his rep)


It would be show Ken in a good light - well, a slightly better one -

he will probably still be mayor - or at least try to be - when the olympics to the london!

like nightswimmer said - with China being such a big economy I think any sort of boycott was unlikely - although that shouldn't discourage any discussion about the issue

the olympics should be about the athletes but there is so much politics involved that it is not a straight forward case of saying - 'we should boycott, this is more important than the athletes'

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