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https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/nov/14/amber-rudd-approves-lauri-love-extradition-to-us-on-hacking-charges Lauri Love (cleverer than the most intelligent IT experts in the USA) has now been co… Read More
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banned8m, 1w agoPosted 8 months, 1 week ago
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/nov/14/amber-rudd-approves-lauri-love-extradition-to-us-on-hacking-charges

Lauri Love (cleverer than the most intelligent IT experts in the USA) has now been condemned by our lovely Government to life in prison in the USA for beating some of the most security conscious organisations in the World.

He deserves a medal for pointing out their flaws NOT prison. People pay lots of money to find security breaches.

The home secretary, Amber Rudd, has signed an order for the extradition of a British man to the US, where his lawyers believe he could face up to 99 years in prison if convicted of computer hacking charges.

Lauri Love is accused of stealing large amounts of data from US government agencies such as the Federal Reserve, the army, the Department of Defence, Nasa and the FBI in a spate of online attacks in 2012 and 2013.

The 31-year-old activist, who has Asperger’s syndrome, lost his legal challenge to avoid extradition in September, and on Monday the Home Office said the necessary order allowing his removal had been signed after Rudd “carefully considered all relevant matters”.
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And so he should be extradited and if convicted of stealing data be sentenced.

If I was that technically minded and was able to access such secure systems - me being the honest person I am - would of attempted to get a well paid job providing security advice or some compensation for flaws identified rather than steal data and expect no punishment.

But then again. as stated, I'm honest and definitely not an activist.
6 Likes
philphil61
And so he should be extradited and if convicted of stealing data be sentenced.
If I was that technically minded and was able to access such secure systems - me being the honest person I am - would of attempted to get a well paid job providing security advice or some compensation for flaws identified rather than steal data and expect no punishment.
But then again. as stated, I'm honest and definitely not an activist.
Precisely there's a house on my street without a house alarm, I wouldn't smash his window and nick his TV just to prove the point and so he's aware of his security flaws!
5 Likes
Mandz27
philphil61
KM4353
Why do all these hackers from the UK who get extradited have Aspergers? Think it's happened like 3-4 times now.
Because they begin as keyboard warriors and progress onto hacking and spend so much time at these that they don't get any social interaction and nonverbal communication and these two "disorders" are the main diagnosis for Aspergers
But we are not allowed to state "it's just an excuse to deter prosecution" in this current pc brigade era
Have you ever met a child with Aspergers? My daughter is autistic aswell as my nephew both of them have learning difficulties both extremely chatty but only on subjects that interest them, ask my nephew anything you want on his chosen subject and he will tell you in detail every fact about it, and he will be right. He has an interest in computers, he is a risk to himself as one day he will be an adult in body but still that child in mind that needs to know everything. People's perspective of Autism and Aspergers adults need to change, these children grow into the adults that yous see today yet the understanding that would be given to them as a child is no longer there.

I got a much better understand of people on the spectrum when I hired some coders on the spectrum, but it took me changing my management style to get the best out of them especially around change management.

One stands out for me, for an interview fresh out of uni, he was cripplingly shy, his suit was badly fitted, could barely look me in the eye I was ready to write him off, but I asked him to explain his sample code, he came alive and could write beautiful and very clever code. In the first two years I wouldn't have dared put him in front of a client but over time, his skills and confidence improved.

Last year he proudly told me he landed a job with Elon Musk and was moving to California, I couldn't have been more proud of him and the very small part I played in his life.
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philphil61
Mandz27
philphil61
KM4353
Why do all these hackers from the UK who get extradited have Aspergers? Think it's happened like 3-4 times now.
Because they begin as keyboard warriors and progress onto hacking and spend so much time at these that they don't get any social interaction and nonverbal communication and these two "disorders" are the main diagnosis for Aspergers
But we are not allowed to state "it's just an excuse to deter prosecution" in this current pc brigade era
Have you ever met a child with Aspergers? My daughter is autistic aswell as my nephew both of them have learning difficulties both extremely chatty but only on subjects that interest them, ask my nephew anything you want on his chosen subject and he will tell you in detail every fact about it, and he will be right. He has an interest in computers, he is a risk to himself as one day he will be an adult in body but still that child in mind that needs to know everything. People's perspective of Autism and Aspergers adults need to change, these children grow into the adults that yous see today yet the understanding that would be given to them as a child is no longer there.
Are you of the snowflake generation?
The point I was making, which you clearly took offence too rather than attempt to understand the reason, was that people are sometimes diagnosed with certain illnesses to avoid certain criminal activity/charges.
Now if you can't accept that as fact then there's zero point we continue further
As to your children I feel for you - it seems from my own understanding there's lots of "new" illnesses in the latter 20th century and 21st century (whether they are new or just previously misdiagnosed is debatable) and I cannot understand or know every single one of them but have lost someone very close to another 20th century illness which you may or may not understand and suffer myself with a "new" illness - such is life but I still feel for you

He was diagnosed long before the offences took place, have you any idea how hard it is for an adult to get a diagnosis of ASD? It not something that can be easily done.

As for being of the now flake generation give yourself a clap there.....You can't answer the question legitimately so you fire off an insult nice. If I was of the snowflake generation I wouldn't have been able to take years of teasing for my younger sister who has quadraplegic cerebral palsy, people crossing the street as I walked down it with her wheelchair or the many times she was referred to as a spastic etc My sister has no voice I am her voice as well as my daughter, my nephews and the others in this world who can't stand up for themselves, which is why I'm challenging your concept that people are diagnosed with disabilities to avoid criminal conviction.

As for my children do not feel sorry for me or them, try changing how you see people with disabilities.

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#1
Aw I liked the Happy Mondays, I know all he did was dance badly but it was a bit of fun, he doesn't deserve this. :(
#2
99 years? think it's 10.
#3
Amber Rudd is a great home secretary
yes/no
discuss
banned 1 Like #4
CookinBat
99 years? think it's 10.

99 years or 10...

The bloke should be paid for pointing out the USAs security flaws.

£100k per year would be the going rate! 2 years of hacking £200k in his bank!
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And so he should be extradited and if convicted of stealing data be sentenced.

If I was that technically minded and was able to access such secure systems - me being the honest person I am - would of attempted to get a well paid job providing security advice or some compensation for flaws identified rather than steal data and expect no punishment.

But then again. as stated, I'm honest and definitely not an activist.
#6
YouDontWantToKnow
CookinBat
99 years? think it's 10.
99 years or 10...
The bloke should be paid for pointing out the USAs security flaws.
£100k per year would be the going rate! 2 years of hacking £200k in his bank!
i'm afraid it doesn't work like that when you toy with the yanks.
banned#7
CookinBat
YouDontWantToKnow
CookinBat
99 years? think it's 10.
99 years or 10...
The bloke should be paid for pointing out the USAs security flaws.
£100k per year would be the going rate! 2 years of hacking £200k in his bank!
i'm afraid it doesn't work like that when you toy with the yanks.


He should just send them the invoice..
#8
I'm glad it was just a bit of a geek from here who broke into their systems,
at least they will up their security.
banned 2 Likes #9
shadey12
I'm glad it was just a bit of a geek from here who broke into their systems,
at least they will up their security.

Yep. They have probably made the calls to Yale & Group4 Security by now.
2 Likes #10
philphil61
And so he should be extradited and if convicted of stealing data be sentenced.
If I was that technically minded and was able to access such secure systems - me being the honest person I am - would of attempted to get a well paid job providing security advice or some compensation for flaws identified rather than steal data and expect no punishment.
But then again. as stated, I'm honest and definitely not an activist.
Of courses he shouldn't be extradited. No matter what he's done/may have done, the extradition treaty's a one-way street whereby UK citizens can be extradited to America, but it doesn't work the other way round.
banned#11
qbs
philphil61
And so he should be extradited and if convicted of stealing data be sentenced.
If I was that technically minded and was able to access such secure systems - me being the honest person I am - would of attempted to get a well paid job providing security advice or some compensation for flaws identified rather than steal data and expect no punishment.
But then again. as stated, I'm honest and definitely not an activist.
Of courses he shouldn't be extradited. No matter what he's done/may have done, the extradition treaty's a one-way street whereby UK citizens can be extradited to America, but it doesn't work the other way round.

Yep. The agreement was set up for terrorism but was first used (if I recall) for the NatWest Three? I may stand corrected.
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https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/extradition-requests-between-the-uk-and-us-from-april-2007-to-may-2014/extradition-requests-between-the-uk-and-us-from-april-2007-to-may-2014

Between 26 April 2007 and 31 May 2014, the US requested the extradition of 41 British citizens. As a result of those requests, 28 were extradited in that period.

Between 26 April 2007 and 31 May 2014, the US requested the extradition of 21 American citizens. As a result of those requests, 12 were extradited in that period.

Between 26 April 2007 and 31 May 2014, the UK requested the extradition of 25 British citizens and as a result of those requests, 20 were extradited in that period.

Between 26 April 2007 and 31 May 2014, the UK requested the extradition of 8 American citizens and as a result of those requests, 5 were extradited in that period.
United States of America Population 318m
United Kingdom Population 64m
I think on balance of the official statistics the UK are doing just fine with extraditions between the UK and USA

Edited By: philphil61 on Nov 14, 2016 23:51
#13
YouDontWantToKnow
qbs
philphil61
And so he should be extradited and if convicted of stealing data be sentenced.
If I was that technically minded and was able to access such secure systems - me being the honest person I am - would of attempted to get a well paid job providing security advice or some compensation for flaws identified rather than steal data and expect no punishment.
But then again. as stated, I'm honest and definitely not an activist.
Of courses he shouldn't be extradited. No matter what he's done/may have done, the extradition treaty's a one-way street whereby UK citizens can be extradited to America, but it doesn't work the other way round.
Yep. The agreement was set up for terrorism but was first used (if I recall) for the NatWest Three? I may stand corrected.
This is the treaty. It just doesn't seem to work.
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YouDontWantToKnow
The 31-year-old activist, who has Asperger’s syndrome, lost his legal challenge to avoid extradition in September
If he doesn't have the mental capacity to understand the potential consequences of his actions then I'd hope that leniency would be applied. If he does, then if you do the crime be prepared to do the time.
banned 1 Like #15
philphil61
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/extradition-requests-between-the-uk-and-us-from-april-2007-to-may-2014/extradition-requests-between-the-uk-and-us-from-april-2007-to-may-2014
Between 26 April 2007 and 31 May 2014, the US requested the extradition of 41 British citizens. As a result of those requests, 28 were extradited in that period.
Between 26 April 2007 and 31 May 2014, the US requested the extradition of 21 American citizens. As a result of those requests, 12 were extradited in that period.
Between 26 April 2007 and 31 May 2014, the UK requested the extradition of 25 British citizens and as a result of those requests, 20 were extradited in that period.
Between 26 April 2007 and 31 May 2014, the UK requested the extradition of 8 American citizens and as a result of those requests, 5 were extradited in that period.
United States of America Population 318m
United Kingdom Population 64m
I think on balance of the official statistics the UK are doing just fine with extraditions between the UK and USA

See the crimes for extradition. We send them kids are good on computers & dodgy business people. & they send us murderers & terrorists.
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Why do all these hackers from the UK who get extradited have Aspergers? Think it's happened like 3-4 times now.
4 Likes #17
KM4353
Why do all these hackers from the UK who get extradited have Aspergers? Think it's happened like 3-4 times now.
Because they begin as keyboard warriors and progress onto hacking and spend so much time at these that they don't get any social interaction and nonverbal communication and these two "disorders" are the main diagnosis for Aspergers

But we are not allowed to state "it's just an excuse to deter prosecution" in this current pc brigade era
banned#18
KM4353
Why do all these hackers from the UK who get extradited have Aspergers? Think it's happened like 3-4 times now.

Because a lot of the "mentally ill" folk are actual geniuses but ill & also lack commutative skills.

So in your real life you may find them backward but in proper (outside of your real) life they are far from it but just live in their own little bubble.

Have you ever watched Rainman?
banned 3 Likes #19
philphil61
KM4353
Why do all these hackers from the UK who get extradited have Aspergers? Think it's happened like 3-4 times now.
Because they begin as keyboard warriors and progress onto hacking and spend so much time at these that they don't get any social interaction and nonverbal communication and these two "disorders" are the main diagnosis for Aspergers

But we are not allowed to state "it's just an excuse to deter prosecution" in this current pc brigade era

Well said mate but I think you will find the diagnosis happened years before the offence. Which makes your whole argument fall apart.

I would rather ask you one question.

Why do you think everyone with a mental illness should be less clever than you? It doesnt work like that.



Edited By: YouDontWantToKnow on Nov 15, 2016 03:40: clarity
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YouDontWantToKnow
philphil61
KM4353
Why do all these hackers from the UK who get extradited have Aspergers? Think it's happened like 3-4 times now.
Because they begin as keyboard warriors and progress onto hacking and spend so much time at these that they don't get any social interaction and nonverbal communication and these two "disorders" are the main diagnosis for Aspergers
But we are not allowed to state "it's just an excuse to deter prosecution" in this current pc brigade era
Well said mate but I think you will find the diagnosis happened years before the offence. Which makes your whole argument fall apart.
I would rather ask you one question.
Why do you think everyone with a mental illness should be less clever than you? It doesnt work like that.

"they begin as keyboard warriors and progress onto hacking and spend so much time at these that they don't get any social interaction and nonverbal communication and these two "disorders" are the main diagnosis for Aspergers

"the diagnosis happened years before the offence"

Can you spot the flaw in your reply?
banned 1 Like #21
Stop baiting Fred
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philphil61
And so he should be extradited and if convicted of stealing data be sentenced.
If I was that technically minded and was able to access such secure systems - me being the honest person I am - would of attempted to get a well paid job providing security advice or some compensation for flaws identified rather than steal data and expect no punishment.
But then again. as stated, I'm honest and definitely not an activist.
Precisely there's a house on my street without a house alarm, I wouldn't smash his window and nick his TV just to prove the point and so he's aware of his security flaws!
banned#23
Oh as I cant press the report button on #22 I want that deleted to now that dave has shown his true colours to those others persecuted by Nazis

Its vile
#24
Being an 'activist' doesn't give you free reign to do whatever you want but I do not believe in extradition.
British people should be subject to British rule and undergoe our judicial system where necessary; but it does seem that this guy could be put to better use than rotting in jail and the other unpleasantness an American jail will bring. Hope he has a good supply of Tampax.
banned#25
john184
Being an 'activist' doesn't give you free reign to do whatever you want but I do not believe in extradition.
British people should be subject to British rule and undergoe our judicial system where necessary; but it does seem that this guy could be put to better use than rotting in jail and the other unpleasantness an American jail will bring. Hope he has a good supply of Tampax.

Take a look at his background. He is ill. He is introverted & has isolated himself from society for years. Yes he laid in his room for years & was fixated which was his illness. Personally I believe that is all part & parcel of his illness.

He was diagnosed as autism/asperger's years before & that is what happens. They get fixated & he got fixated on cracking codes & he done it & now the USA have had to change their security.

Cheap lesson for the USA. Anyone else would have sent them a bill.
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YouDontWantToKnow
CookinBat
99 years? think it's 10.
99 years or 10...
The bloke should be paid for pointing out the USAs security flaws.
£100k per year would be the going rate! 2 years of hacking £200k in his bank!

When I worked for one of the big four, we had a team of hackers or Penetration Testers as the corporate world would call them, they paid 50k -120k depending on skills/experience, they really didn't fit the big four traditional mould of candidates which was funny.
banned 1 Like #27
DKLS
YouDontWantToKnow
CookinBat
99 years? think it's 10.
99 years or 10...
The bloke should be paid for pointing out the USAs security flaws.
£100k per year would be the going rate! 2 years of hacking £200k in his bank!
When I worked for one of the big four, we had a team of hackers or Penetration Testers as the corporate world would call them, they paid 50k -120k depending on skills/experience, they really didn't fit the big four traditional mould of candidates which was funny.

In which case this guy is worth millions ;)
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philphil61
KM4353
Why do all these hackers from the UK who get extradited have Aspergers? Think it's happened like 3-4 times now.
Because they begin as keyboard warriors and progress onto hacking and spend so much time at these that they don't get any social interaction and nonverbal communication and these two "disorders" are the main diagnosis for Aspergers
But we are not allowed to state "it's just an excuse to deter prosecution" in this current pc brigade era

Have you ever met a child with Aspergers? My daughter is autistic aswell as my nephew both of them have learning difficulties both extremely chatty but only on subjects that interest them, ask my nephew anything you want on his chosen subject and he will tell you in detail every fact about it, and he will be right. He has an interest in computers, he is a risk to himself as one day he will be an adult in body but still that child in mind that needs to know everything. People's perspective of Autism and Aspergers adults need to change, these children grow into the adults that yous see today yet the understanding that would be given to them as a child is no longer there.
banned#29
Mandz27
philphil61
KM4353
Why do all these hackers from the UK who get extradited have Aspergers? Think it's happened like 3-4 times now.
Because they begin as keyboard warriors and progress onto hacking and spend so much time at these that they don't get any social interaction and nonverbal communication and these two "disorders" are the main diagnosis for Aspergers
But we are not allowed to state "it's just an excuse to deter prosecution" in this current pc brigade era
Have you ever met a child with Aspergers? My daughter is autistic aswell as my nephew both of them have learning difficulties both extremely chatty but only on subjects that interest them, ask my nephew anything you want on his chosen subject and he will tell you in detail every fact about it, and he will be right. He has an interest in computers, he is a risk to himself as one day he will be an adult in body but still that child in mind that needs to know everything. People's perspective of Autism and Aspergers adults need to change, these children grow into the adults that yous see today yet the understanding that would be given to them as a child is no longer there.

Ignore Phil.

Any normal human being would know a lot of these children have a talent, which they do.
#30
Mandz27
philphil61
KM4353
Why do all these hackers from the UK who get extradited have Aspergers? Think it's happened like 3-4 times now.
Because they begin as keyboard warriors and progress onto hacking and spend so much time at these that they don't get any social interaction and nonverbal communication and these two "disorders" are the main diagnosis for Aspergers
But we are not allowed to state "it's just an excuse to deter prosecution" in this current pc brigade era
Have you ever met a child with Aspergers? My daughter is autistic aswell as my nephew both of them have learning difficulties both extremely chatty but only on subjects that interest them, ask my nephew anything you want on his chosen subject and he will tell you in detail every fact about it, and he will be right. He has an interest in computers, he is a risk to himself as one day he will be an adult in body but still that child in mind that needs to know everything. People's perspective of Autism and Aspergers adults need to change, these children grow into the adults that yous see today yet the understanding that would be given to them as a child is no longer there.
Are you of the snowflake generation?
The point I was making, which you clearly took offence too rather than attempt to understand the reason, was that people are sometimes diagnosed with certain illnesses to avoid certain criminal activity/charges.
Now if you can't accept that as fact then there's zero point we continue further

As to your children I feel for you - it seems from my own understanding there's lots of "new" illnesses in the latter 20th century and 21st century (whether they are new or just previously misdiagnosed is debatable) and I cannot understand or know every single one of them but have lost someone very close to another 20th century illness which you may or may not understand and suffer myself with a "new" illness - such is life but I still feel for you
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Mandz27
philphil61
KM4353
Why do all these hackers from the UK who get extradited have Aspergers? Think it's happened like 3-4 times now.
Because they begin as keyboard warriors and progress onto hacking and spend so much time at these that they don't get any social interaction and nonverbal communication and these two "disorders" are the main diagnosis for Aspergers
But we are not allowed to state "it's just an excuse to deter prosecution" in this current pc brigade era
Have you ever met a child with Aspergers? My daughter is autistic aswell as my nephew both of them have learning difficulties both extremely chatty but only on subjects that interest them, ask my nephew anything you want on his chosen subject and he will tell you in detail every fact about it, and he will be right. He has an interest in computers, he is a risk to himself as one day he will be an adult in body but still that child in mind that needs to know everything. People's perspective of Autism and Aspergers adults need to change, these children grow into the adults that yous see today yet the understanding that would be given to them as a child is no longer there.

I got a much better understand of people on the spectrum when I hired some coders on the spectrum, but it took me changing my management style to get the best out of them especially around change management.

One stands out for me, for an interview fresh out of uni, he was cripplingly shy, his suit was badly fitted, could barely look me in the eye I was ready to write him off, but I asked him to explain his sample code, he came alive and could write beautiful and very clever code. In the first two years I wouldn't have dared put him in front of a client but over time, his skills and confidence improved.

Last year he proudly told me he landed a job with Elon Musk and was moving to California, I couldn't have been more proud of him and the very small part I played in his life.
banned 2 Likes #32
philphil61

The point I was making, which you clearly took offence too rather than attempt to understand the reason, was that people are sometimes diagnosed with certain illnesses to avoid certain criminal activity/charges.

No Phil. He was diagnosed years before the alleged offences.

& you are now insulting yet another member of hukd by ignoring that simple fact.
banned#33
DKLS

One stands out for me, for an interview fresh out of uni, he was cripplingly shy, his suit was badly fitted, could barely look me in the eye I was ready to write him off, but I asked him to explain his sample code, he came alive and could write beautiful and very clever code. In the first two years I wouldn't have dared put him in front of a client but over time, his skills and confidence improved.

Last year he proudly told me he landed a job with Elon Musk and was moving to California, I couldn't have been more proud of him and the very small part I played in his life.

A beautiful mind
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philphil61
Mandz27
philphil61
KM4353
Why do all these hackers from the UK who get extradited have Aspergers? Think it's happened like 3-4 times now.
Because they begin as keyboard warriors and progress onto hacking and spend so much time at these that they don't get any social interaction and nonverbal communication and these two "disorders" are the main diagnosis for Aspergers
But we are not allowed to state "it's just an excuse to deter prosecution" in this current pc brigade era
Have you ever met a child with Aspergers? My daughter is autistic aswell as my nephew both of them have learning difficulties both extremely chatty but only on subjects that interest them, ask my nephew anything you want on his chosen subject and he will tell you in detail every fact about it, and he will be right. He has an interest in computers, he is a risk to himself as one day he will be an adult in body but still that child in mind that needs to know everything. People's perspective of Autism and Aspergers adults need to change, these children grow into the adults that yous see today yet the understanding that would be given to them as a child is no longer there.
Are you of the snowflake generation?
The point I was making, which you clearly took offence too rather than attempt to understand the reason, was that people are sometimes diagnosed with certain illnesses to avoid certain criminal activity/charges.
Now if you can't accept that as fact then there's zero point we continue further
As to your children I feel for you - it seems from my own understanding there's lots of "new" illnesses in the latter 20th century and 21st century (whether they are new or just previously misdiagnosed is debatable) and I cannot understand or know every single one of them but have lost someone very close to another 20th century illness which you may or may not understand and suffer myself with a "new" illness - such is life but I still feel for you

He was diagnosed long before the offences took place, have you any idea how hard it is for an adult to get a diagnosis of ASD? It not something that can be easily done.

As for being of the now flake generation give yourself a clap there.....You can't answer the question legitimately so you fire off an insult nice. If I was of the snowflake generation I wouldn't have been able to take years of teasing for my younger sister who has quadraplegic cerebral palsy, people crossing the street as I walked down it with her wheelchair or the many times she was referred to as a spastic etc My sister has no voice I am her voice as well as my daughter, my nephews and the others in this world who can't stand up for themselves, which is why I'm challenging your concept that people are diagnosed with disabilities to avoid criminal conviction.

As for my children do not feel sorry for me or them, try changing how you see people with disabilities.
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DKLS
Mandz27
philphil61
KM4353
Why do all these hackers from the UK who get extradited have Aspergers? Think it's happened like 3-4 times now.
Because they begin as keyboard warriors and progress onto hacking and spend so much time at these that they don't get any social interaction and nonverbal communication and these two "disorders" are the main diagnosis for Aspergers
But we are not allowed to state "it's just an excuse to deter prosecution" in this current pc brigade era
Have you ever met a child with Aspergers? My daughter is autistic aswell as my nephew both of them have learning difficulties both extremely chatty but only on subjects that interest them, ask my nephew anything you want on his chosen subject and he will tell you in detail every fact about it, and he will be right. He has an interest in computers, he is a risk to himself as one day he will be an adult in body but still that child in mind that needs to know everything. People's perspective of Autism and Aspergers adults need to change, these children grow into the adults that yous see today yet the understanding that would be given to them as a child is no longer there.
I got a much better understand of people on the spectrum when I hired some coders on the spectrum, but it took me changing my management style to get the best out of them especially around change management.

One stands out for me, for an interview fresh out of uni, he was cripplingly shy, his suit was badly fitted, could barely look me in the eye I was ready to write him off, but I asked him to explain his sample code, he came alive and could write beautiful and very clever code. In the first two years I wouldn't have dared put him in front of a client but over time, his skills and confidence improved.

Last year he proudly told me he landed a job with Elon Musk and was moving to California, I couldn't have been more proud of him and the very small part I played in his life.

For what you see as a small part in his life, you have made the world of a difference <3
#36
Baron-Cohen diagnosed Love with Asperger syndrome in 2012 when Love was in his late 20s
source
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauri_Love

He was part of the 2011 Hetherington House Occupation, a student protest at Glasgow University.
same source and prior to this he studied at Nottingham University

So it's not that long ago since he was actually diagnosed and was already an activist before he was officially diagnosed

Keep coming at me you millenialls, you snowflake generation, you pc brigaders - I don't mind

I have a totally different opinion and that is that yes maybe he has Aspergers but that hasn't stopped him committing criminal offences and if you can't do that time don't do the crime.
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All you negative guys should read about Kim Peek. I am pretty sure he couldnt fake his illness from birth until his death at 58 years old.

An average score of 87 on the IQ Scale but could do a billion times better than you in a billion ways.

My IQ is much higher but this mentally ill child & adult would blow my existence to bits.

It would be nice if the discrimination would stop. You would all be outdone by a kid with a lower "IQ" than you.
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What happened to "Do the crime, do the time"? Seems like there's some kind of competition these days to see who can be the most politically correct and who can excuse the highest number of criminals.

One doesn't suddenly turn on their PC and say "Oops, hacked the US Government lol, my bad, better close that tab". It takes real intent. The guy knew exactly what he was doing, disability or no disability.
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On wiki it says he lives with his parents. He is an adult but what did his parents think he was doing up in his bedroom, hours on the internet?

If they were aware of his activist behaviour when he was at uni, wouldn't they try and ensure he was not committing any crimes up in his bedroom, knowin his fascination for code cracking exasperated by his Aspergers diagnosis?
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delboyd
What happened to "Do the crime, do the time"? Seems like there's some kind of competition these days to see who can be the most politically correct and who can excuse the highest number of criminals.
One doesn't suddenly turn on their PC and say "Oops, hacked the US Government lol, my bad, better close that tab". It takes real intent. The guy knew exactly what he was doing, disability or no disability.

And what do you think GCHQ do everyday?

try to find your answers here

But this guy was better than GCHQ

Edited By: YouDontWantToKnow on Nov 15, 2016 09:24

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