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Over paid at work...

bellabonkers Avatar
7y, 4m agoPosted 7 years, 4 months ago
I was put on pay protection back in sept '07 and it's just come to light that I've been over paid because of this. The HR dept failed to inform payroll that I was on pay protection so payroll continued to pay me increments. I had no idea I wasn't supposed to get them...a little naive perhaps. I've been informed that I need to pay back £1000 over the next 12 months....as well as losing my current salary as of next month. I was prepared for the drop but this means roughly an extra £50 per mth pay cut on top of a change of salary. which is something I wasn't prepared for, and not something I can really afford. Has anyone gone through anything like this before? I'm off to consult the union as soon as I can. Am i reasonable to say that I can't afford this and that I'll pay them back over 3 years? I've had a look on acas and can't find anything.
Can anyone find any web sites that may be of use to me?
Thanks.
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7y, 4m agoPosted 7 years, 4 months ago
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#1
sounds like a right pickle,
**** them over and get preggers :p

[SIZE=1]*no serious advice in this post[/SIZE]
#2
cant help you but hope it gets sorted out its there mistake so hopefully you can pay it back over a longer period
#3
Go speak to the Citizen's Advice Bureau as they'll let you know exactly where you stand.
banned#4
Check out with CAB
A Ashford bank employee won case was paid full instead of part time hours for a couple of years they tried to get money back. She won case and stays part time on same money. ITS THEIR MISTAKE
banned#5
I would tell them to stuff it and that you'll pay back 6 months or nothing
banned#6
lumoruk
I would tell them to stuff it and that you'll pay back 6 months or nothing


You are a push over:whistling:
Should pay back NOTHING
#7
RUDOLF
Check out with CAB
A Ashford bank employee won case was paid full in steed of part time hours for a coupl of years they tried to get money back. She won case and stays part time on same money. ITS THEIR MISTAKE


I know it's their mistake..there was a huge departmental upheavel at the time and If i thought I was within my rights, and if I thought they hadn't somewhere along the line informed me I would be tempted to go down this route. Somehow though I can't help thinking that they must have given me a letter stating what I was and wasn't entitled to...
Payroll have on both occasions informed me that it was down to human error on HR's part.
If it was just the overpayment I had to worry about it wouldn't be quite so bad but I'm droping 2 pay bands as well. :-(

Just wish I could find some information online to arm myself with before I get to the union.
#8
AfC downgraded??

Tell them you can't afford it. Union? Bet you could get away with £10 per month payback if you bring HR and the Union in to it. tell them that you 'trusted' your pay and now rely on that level, so can only afford a payback of £10 per month. I got seriously shafted so feel free to bring vengance from me too

(and your dropping two pay points, not bands...that would be reallllly scary!)
#9
bazzaric
AfC downgraded??

Tell them you can't afford it. Union? Bet you could get away with £10 per month payback if you bring HR and the Union in to it. tell them that you 'trusted' your pay and now rely on that level, so can only afford a payback of £10 per month. I got seriously shafted so feel free to bring vengance from me too

(and your dropping two pay points, not bands...that would be reallllly scary!)


I don't understand?

It's a grade 4 to a grade 2 job
I'm retraining so not a lot I can do about that at the moment until I have a new qualification under my belt.

I do feel slightly guilty that somehow I should have know though.
#10
[COLOR="Red"]People who get over paid at work make me sick!

I work very hard for my £82k per year.

People shouldn't just get given money.[/COLOR]
#11
bellabonkers
I don't understand?

It's a grade 4 to a grade 2 job
I'm retraining so not a lot I can do about that at the moment until I have a new qualification under my belt.

I do feel slightly guilty that somehow I should have know though.


Ah ok, so have you been getting paid a grade 4?

Are you a member of 1 of the unions? Got a staff side rep?
#12
The JFK
[COLOR="Red"]People who get over paid at work make me sick!

I work very hard for my £82k per year.

People shouldn't just get given money.[/COLOR]


You seem to have mistakenly put a k after your actual pay.
#13
bazzaric
Ah ok, so have you been getting paid a grade 4?


Yes. I was protected when they made my grade 4 job redundant. I was placed into a grade 2 job. Then I got redeployed into another grade 2 job (hope your keeping up...it's a bit of a mess) After pestering and pestering HR to change my job title so that I could have appropriate swipe card access to different departments My job title was amended I then got underpaid and called up payroll who told me they were in consultation with HR because I had been over paid since sept '07 they put right my salary for that month and I got a letter yesterday morning informing me that they wished to deduct a further £76 gross/ £50 net per mth.
Like I say I was prepared for the drop to band 2 but not for the extra £50 more.

Yes I am in Unison...they have already been heavily involved with all the other issues.
banned 3 Likes #14
The JFK;5857194
[COLOR=Red]People who get over paid at work make me sick!

I work very hard for my £82k per year.

People shouldn't just get given money.[/COLOR]


One step too far. Whilst you have the rest of tonight off, take time out to review the code of conduct, in particular this section.


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#15
The JFK;5857194
[COLOR=red]People who get over paid at work make me sick![/COLOR]

[COLOR=red]I work very hard for my £82k per year.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=red]People shouldn't just get given money.[/COLOR]

sorry and thanx asb
banned#16
I'm not sure about this, but I seem to recall

If you knew you were being over paid then you will have to pay them back. If you didn't and it was their mistake then you shouldn't have to. That probably doesn't help as you seem to think you were told about the pay drop.

If you were overpaid for 2 years then you should get the same period to pay it back.

I may be wrong though, ill see if i can find some links

The people saying don't pay a penny back, please post something to back this up.

aScottishBloke

One step too far. Whilst you have the rest of tonight off, take time out to review the code of conduct, in particular this section.


Well done.
#17
colinsunderland;5857317
I'm not sure about this, but I seem to recall

If you knew you were being over paid then you will have to pay them back. If you didn't and it was their mistake then you shouldn't have to. That probably doesn't help as you seem to think you were told about the pay drop.

If you were overpaid for 2 years then you should get the same period to pay it back.

I may be wrong though, ill see if i can find some links

The people saying don't pay a penny back, please post something to back this up.



Well done.

+1. Wastoo far JFK.
#19
colinsunderland
I'm not sure about this, but I seem to recall

If you knew you were being over paid then you will have to pay them back. If you didn't and it was their mistake then you shouldn't have to. That probably doesn't help as you seem to think you were told about the pay drop.

If you were overpaid for 2 years then you should get the same period to pay it back.

I may be wrong though, ill see if i can find some links

The people saying don't pay a penny back, please post something to back this up.


The letter states 14 months over payment. I didn't know, but feel I should have known (they must have informed me???) I can't be bothered to challenge them about it, don't think I would get anywhere either...I'm feeling a bit wound up over it all :-( Just hope that they are open to negotiation and understanding about the situation.
banned#20
This might be more help, and is what I read before

http://www.lemon-co.co.uk/article_overpayments.php

In order to show that an overpayment is not recoverable, then the employee must demonstrate three things. Firstly, it must be shown that the overpayment was the fault of the company and not the employee. Secondly, it must have been reasonable for the employee not to know that they were being overpaid. Thirdly, the employee must have acted to their disadvantage or the assumption that the payment of salary was correct (for example by spending the money!). The most common difficulty for employees is the second condition since it is often obvious when an overpayment has occurred. It is not acceptable for an employee to assume that they have received a substantial increase in pay unless there is some reason to believe that this is the case.
#21


I'm pretty sure I'd have to pay back too....trying to find out if my former colleagues are in the same situation...there were quite a few of us put onto pay protection, but not all for quite so long.

Thank you very much for the links.
#22
i wouldn't say £1000 over 14 months could be classed as substantially overpaid.
i would definitely be talking to the union and the CAB about your options on this mate.
#23
aScottishBloke

One step too far. Whilst you have the rest of tonight off, take time out to review the code of conduct, in particular this section.


Nice one :)
#24
I certainly think you have to pat it back, but at a rate that's reasonable for you to afford. I've done a lot of hr/staff side rep, but obviously each hb is discresionary. I know that I could get it down to £15 or so a month as it was a payroll error
#25
Jetpac
i wouldn't say £1000 over 14 months could be classed as substantially overpaid.
i would definitely be talking to the union and the CAB about your options on this mate.


It's all relative, depends what you earn in the first place.

Am I rich in comparison to a tramp - yes
Am I rich in comparison to the queen - no
I'm just a normal person earning a normal amount of money coupled with the pay cut it's going to make life quite hard for me.

But yes I will be off to the union asap....like I said just looking for anything online to help in the meantime. Thank you
#26
bellabonkers
It's all relative, depends what you earn in the first place.

Am I rich in comparison to a tramp - yes
Am I rich in comparison to the queen - no

But yes I will be off to the union asap....like I said just looking for anything online to help in the meantime. Thank you


Touche :thumbsup:
either way you should be able to get it sorted to a rate that's good for you.
#27
Jetpac
Touche :thumbsup:
either way you should be able to get it sorted to a rate that's good for you.


I hope so...thanks

Thanks for all your views...sometimes it's just good to get things off your chest even if you don't solve the problem. Thank you everyone. :thumbsup:
#28
Apparently, it is the employees responsibility to check wages every month and flag up if any discrepancies (just like we all do with out bank statements). It does have to be paid back and the union should negotiate with your employer the best outcome for you, ie the least per month.

It is their mistake, they should accept what you offer IMO. Have a think and put your figure to the union. I cannot believe how much of this is going on in the with wages depts, seems tons.
#29
ive had this before i was benig paid overtime rate instead of lue days turned out payroll got mixed up with someone else of same surname they took the whole amount in one hit £100

legally they can take the whole amount in one hit
surely you should have noticed you were being overpaid will be their argument !
credit crunch companies are checking debts overpayments etc just had a bill from freeserve from 3 years ago
legally companies have 6yrs to settle accounts and claim or pay to settle accounts
as with previous replies you need CORRECT LEGAL ADVISE>>>>>

and after that speak to them to get the repayment settled at decent rate no interest etc with written agreement
All the best !
#30
wanderer;5858145
ive had this before i was benig paid overtime rate instead of lue days turned out payroll got mixed up with someone else of same surname they took the whole amount in one hit £100 legally they can take the whole amount in one hit surely you should have noticed you were being overpaid will be their argument ! credit crunch companies are checking debts overpayments etc just had a bill from freeserve from 3 years ago legally companies have 6yrs to settle accounts and claim or pay to settle accounts as with previous replies you need CORRECT LEGAL ADVISE>>>>> and after that speak to them to get the repayment settled at decent rate no interest etc with written agreement All the best !


Legally you must pay it back. However, they cannot take it back in one ammount. That is NOT legal. This has to be negotiated with the employer.
#31
I'm pretty sure thay can't take it in one go...what if it's more than I have in one months pay!?!?

Spoke to the union today who were next to useless and rang the pay roll dept. Unfortunatly I couldn't speak to my payroll officer who doesn't work mondays apparently so spoke to some other snotty one who said it was up to HR how much I paid!

Have put forward my argument anyway and will see what the come back with.
#32
they are right. It will be 'up to HR' on some level. i.e. they can change you from the standard £50 per month or whatever. Get in touch with HR and let them know you have a problem with the value. I'm sure it will be changed for you. If not, get a staff side rep involved
#33
Why is union so unhelpful? Harass them, might be worth the effort
#34
unions are useless these days its just another way of creaming cash of ppl
as with taking the monies back in one go sorry I was slightly off if its less than your months money it can be taken back as with the OPS cash its something more as they have been over paying for months ...

Depends on how much you like your job .. good luck with legal advise and please post back to clear up all of us

:thumbsup:

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