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Panorama tonight (The internet police )

tonyg1962 Avatar
6y, 8m agoPosted 6 years, 8 months ago
proposed new law is threatening to disconnect the millions of internet users who unlawfully download free music, films and TV. Jo Whiley looks at how broadband use at home may never be the same, and could even be cut off......
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6y, 8m agoPosted 6 years, 8 months ago
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#2
thanks, will look out for that.
#3
lol@ the internet police actually existing. it will be the usual suspects blabbing a load of nonsense about piracy-will never be stopped-EVER! stop one method,another will spring up.
#4
Cue a discussion on whether downloading things from the internet without paying for them 'is really stealing' or 'is actually morally wrong'. The answer to both is 'yes', but there always seems to be a number of people willing to take their turn to muddy waters and come up with far fetched justifications.

Personally I'll be more interested in how this law will operate practically. There are more than a few obstacles to be overcome if this is to be effective.
#5
Isn't it great this goverment now on about cutting off broadband for this but i bet whoever J Venables is will still have it after what he allegedly has done. Along with everyone else in prison

This country is going down the can fast.
#6
Theres no way to stop piracy - just a waste of money to police the net - its the music companies that moan - anyway if you are an artisit shouldnt it be about people hearing your music rather than having to pay for it - Its all about the music......right?
#7
Crazy Jamie
Cue a discussion on whether downloading things from the internet without paying for them 'is really stealing' or 'is actually morally wrong'. The answer to both is 'yes', but there always seems to be a number of people willing to take their turn to muddy waters and come up with far fetched justifications.

Personally I'll be more interested in how this law will operate practically. There are more than a few obstacles to be overcome if this is to be effective.


I will go first the other day i had the cd wallet stolen from my car i am damned if i am buying them again........

And everyone bends laws to there own effect its like doing 80 on the motorway you still should not do it but most people do
#8
anyone know if this will get on bbc iplayer? gadget show is on at 8PM :)
#9
Marty1981
I will go first
Well then let's get this show on the road :thumbsup:
Marty1981
the other day i had the cd wallet stolen from my car i am damned if i am buying them again........
Ah yes, the "I just had my television stolen from my house, so I'm going to go and steal one from Currys rather than buying one again" argument. An excellent choice. I'll just say "two wrongs don't make a right" and move on.
Marty1981

And everyone bends laws to there own effect its like doing 80 on the motorway you still should not do it but most people do
Except doing 80mph on the motorway isn't exactly bending the law. It is still illegal whether you do it or not. You're just unlikely to be caught doing that speed because the police don't tend to bother with the 70mph to 80mph range. So in many ways it does admittedly have that 'I won't be caught so I'll do it anyway' aspect of downloading. Though as I say, it's different because people still admit that driving over the speed limit is illegal whether they do it or not. Few will attempt to genuinely justify it when caught, so it's an accepted risk. On the other hand, plenty of people who download music illegally fail to acknowledge that they're doing anything wrong.
banned#10
dandoc2
Theres no way to stop piracy - just a waste of money to police the net - its the music companies that moan - anyway if you are an artisit shouldnt it be about people hearing your music rather than having to pay for it - Its all about the music......right?


And if you're a nurse you should do it out of the goodness of your heart:?

You make something that someone consumes, you deserve to be compensated.
#11
killabyte
anyone know if this will get on bbc iplayer? gadget show is on at 8PM :)


Just Torrent it. :whistling:

"Ah yes, the "I just had my television stolen from my house, so I'm going to go and steal one from Currys rather than buying one again" argument. An excellent choice. I'll just say "two wrongs don't make a right" and move on. "

He did buy it once though, he just didn't put it on the computer. The difference between piracy and stealing is piracy doesn't deprive anyone of the original item, that is why they made up the name piracy and don't use the word stealing. *Doesn't make it right though*
#12
So the internet police will be targeting people who download this material rather than the people who distribute it? Am I the only one thinking this isn't exactly going to work? :?

It is a bit like arresting all the people who smoke cannabis but totally ignoring the dealers who sell it. The industries that are being affected by this the most should invest in some decent DRM, I don't see any other way they will prevent this sort of copyright theft.

Another waste of tax payers money if you ask me :thumbsup:
banned#13
PhearFactor
So the internet police will be targeting people who download this material rather than the people who distribute it? Am I the only one thinking this isn't exactly going to work? :?

It is a bit like arresting all the people who smoke cannabis but totally ignoring the dealers who sell it. The industries that are being affected by this the most should invest in some decent DRM, I don't see any other way they will prevent this sort of copyright theft.

Another waste of tax payers money if you ask me :thumbsup:


With torrents, people who download are uploading at the same time, so it makes sense from that perspective.

I think this is aimed at the culture of 'I can consume media without paying anything towards it' which is probably the right way to go about it.

I think it's idiotic to believe that tv, film and music companies are going to keep investing in things that people are consuming without paying towards, either in viewing advertisements or PPV.
banned#14
Movie industry crippled by illegal downloads. Sales and tickets sold have fallen dramatically in the last few years :whistling:

http://boxofficemojo.com/yearly/
#15
FilthAndFurry
With torrents, people who download are uploading at the same time, so it makes sense from that perspective.


Removing Joe Public from torrents will not make a blind bit of difference and we both know it. The original seeders need to be targeted, the torrent websites need to be targeted, then you will have to move on to Usenet providers and so on.

You are probably right by saying it is aimed at the culture. I personally don't think that it will work though, the solution to the problem I feel will come from technology and DRM. I hate DRM but.. I guess this will soon become common place among most media.
#16
[QUOTE=PhearFactor]Removing Joe Public from torrents will not make a blind bit of difference and we both know it. The original seeders need to be targeted, the torrent websites need to be targeted, then you will have to move on to Usenet providers and so on.

You are probably right by saying it is aimed at the culture. I personally don't think that it will work though, the solution to the problem I feel will come from technology and DRM. I hate DRM but.. I guess this will soon become common place among most media.[/QUOTE

the industry wont invest any more money in DRM tbh-remember the oscar screeners that were encrypted with "unbreakable protection"?,the sony cd protection fiasco?remember dvd encryption?-broken by a schoolboy in his bedroom. blu ray encryption? etc etc-if a human being can create it,another can crack it so its a waste of time. xbox 360/nintendo wii/psp/ds-all hacked. apples iphone-hacked-need I go on?

all they can do is perpetuate the myth that video/music piracy is linked to terrorism/crime syndicates etc etc. some may call it morally wrong and they are entitled to their opinion,but some believe that its morally wrong that an actor can get paid 20-30 million for making one film while millions starve.

"the scene" where most movies originate,do NOT produce the initial copy for monetary gain,they do it to be first in the race,they do it for kudos among the scene,they do it because they CAN-plain and simple. There is a vast difference between someone watching a tv show ahead of release date in the privacy of their own home and people selling discs at a car boot.But the naysayers will lump them all together,call them pirates and wag their fingers. newsgroups have been distributing files since the dawn of the internet and will continue to do so. Torrents may get blocked,torrent users may get cut off,but other methods will always be found.

"home downloaders" are not "pirates"-its just another word coined to make them evil in the eyes of the public. I make no secret that I download tv shows/certain movies,but at the same time,I pay my tv licence and the shows will be shown here eventually so if I want it the same time as america I have deprived NOBODY of any money. I have an unlimited years pass for cineworld which I paid for,so if I choose to watch at home I have deprived NOBODY of money.

yet panorama will wheel out louis walsh and a few other muppets who will make it all sound black and white,which it is not-lily allen has said she will never make another record because of illegal downloaders-so some good does come of it:whistling:
#17
What is the solution though? If DRM is never ever going to work what exactly can they do.

Banning people from the internet is pointless, spending tons of dollar on DRM for it to prove worthless is pointless. Trying to change the hearts and minds of millions of people who mostly hate capitalism is not going to work either if you ask me.

I think DRM is the only solution personally. Obviously a lot will have to change, at the moment with systems that have been designed to be open source DRM will never work right on them. I guess things like the iPhone/iPod with iTunes and so on is the future. DRM from beginning to the end.
#18
FilthAndFurry
With torrents, people who download are uploading at the same time, so it makes sense from that perspective.

I think this is aimed at the culture of 'I can consume media without paying anything towards it' which is probably the right way to go about it.

I think it's idiotic to believe that tv, film and music companies are going to keep investing in things that people are consuming without paying towards, either in viewing advertisements or PPV.


That's more of a technicality though, you can't class 90% of users in the same band as the scene guys who rip everything and put it up on there in the first place
banned#19
barky
,I pay my tv licence and the shows will be shown here eventually so if I want it the same time as america I have deprived NOBODY of any money.


Today you were bragging about watching The Pacific - what's that got to do with your tv licence?

It's on Sky Movies.:?
#20
Will never be stopped,nobody will ever be cut off,its just a story the government put out now and again to try and discourage it.
#21
FilthAndFurry
Today you were bragging about watching The Pacific - what's that got to do with your tv licence?

It's on Sky Movies.:?


and then will be shown on bbc2,I also have a sky subscription,and skyplayer on my iphone which I pay an extra six quid a month for. Kindly point me to the thread where I BRAGGED about watching the pacific will you? I mentioned I had watched it and therefore missed something on gmtv-no bragging was done. I pay for everything,tv/sky/years cinema pass,blah blah etc etc-if I wanna download so I can see things in advance of uk schedules why shouldnt I?no,wait,dont tell me,cos I couldnt care less.
banned#22
On now.
banned#23
Sales of single music purchases were up last year, album sales still down. Due to piracy or a change in the way people listen to music these days. Either way the fact sales are up for songs would indicate all is not doomed in the age of easily obtainable "free" music.
#24
so is this law actually gonna come into place

or is it ok until i get two letters in the post then i should stop? lol
#25
they are talking about broadband being throttled back....bt throttle at peak times anyway...for downloads anyway lulz

also why did they let that guy into their house to check their pcs surely hes gonna report them to the feds?
#27
bittorrent! the piratebay? is this a joke? of course it is-and of course,joe public will swallow the bs. This "news" is months old. "our expert explains what bittorrent is" lmfao! and all that stuff in their trailers about "your broadband getting cut off",and then the facts are that will NEVER happen.

another groundbreaking panorama load of carp
#28
For years I was royally ripped off by Record Stores and Cinema's etc.

I feel no guilt at not having paid for a movie in years, a music album in a decade.
#29
barky;8113831
bittorrent! the piratebay? is this a joke? of course it is-and of course,joe public will swallow the bs. This "news" is months old. "our expert explains what bittorrent is" lmfao! and all that stuff in their trailers about "your broadband getting cut off",and then the facts are that will NEVER happen.

another groundbreaking panorama load of carp



Yep no mention of how well labels did, no mention of how late they are reacting to everything, no mention of how cinema tickets all sale money goes to studio to act as a PR machine for merchandise and DVDs.

Oh and French tried to bring in similar system, it was deemed unconstitutional, guilty before innocent etc, especially when you cut off a vital service like the internet.
#30
gah HUKD went poo
#31
wonder if next weeks panorama will "investigate" the price of sweets,drinks and snacks in cinemas?:whistling:

probably not-cos thats "legal" theft isnt it?
#32
lol at them doing a story on a crippled guy
#33
I love how vaguely wifi hacking was covered, flats etc would of been more apt than car wifi hacking lol.
banned#34
barky
wonder if next weeks panorama will "investigate" the price of sweets,drinks and snacks in cinemas?:whistling:

probably not-cos thats "legal" theft isnt it?


In the defence of the cinemas, that's where they make their money. Cinema chains and independents all get stiffed on box office takings and struggle to make the sort of profits expected of businesses of their size. It's either much higher ticket prices or high concession prices, one compulsory one optional. I know which I prefer as I take my own food and drink in...
#35
I'd love to see BPI take everyone to court based on American companies getting information on file sharers, but no they want to fine you/threaten to cut you off, fair justice? lol
#36
people can hide their ips??
limewire??

this programme is just treating the public like total idiots-what will their next big revelation be? bears go to the toilet in the woods?
#37
Wouldn't Peer guardian or using Rapidshare/Megaupload etc be an easy work around to defeat this proposed bill?
#38
so these idiot students decided to take part and now they literally have dial up speeds lolaments what tools
#39
barky;8113938
people can hide their ips??
limewire??

this programme is just treating the public like total idiots-what will their next big revelation be? bears go to the toilet in the woods?


If you and say a friend or two, were to chip into a seedbox, abroad, and used that to download everything to, then you downloaded off that, in a very easy AES encryption etc, then you can hide behind that box and BPI/UK Court would have to petition that seed box in that country for information, via that countries courts if needed, I know of no case where this has occurred.
banned#40
J_B
Wouldn't Peer guardian or using Rapidshare/Megaupload etc be an easy work around to defeat this proposed bill?


Using newsgroups with SSL connections while connected through a proxy will defeat any action taken by copyright holders or governments.

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