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we all pay for 8mb broadband and rarely get it. There is a simple way to get a faster speed. I was only getting 4mb and now 8mb, Girlfriend was getting 3mb and now 5.6Mb. telephones only use wires … Read More
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9y, 3m agoPosted 9 years, 3 months ago
we all pay for 8mb broadband and rarely get it. There is a simple way to get a faster speed. I was only getting 4mb and now 8mb, Girlfriend was getting 3mb and now 5.6Mb.

telephones only use wires 2&5, but in our houses wire 3 is normally wired this is because old phones use to have to be told there was an incoming call when on extensions. This is what line 3 did and is called the ring line. This no longer needs to be connected as modern phones can detect incoming calls.

Simply go round and disconnect line 3 (wire 3) from the master socket and your extension leads to get a speed boost it has no adverse effects.

Before doing so go into your router and note down the connection speed (speed test is no good) once you have done the wires it will connect at the new speed. however it will take 3 days for your actual download speed to increase as the BT exchanges monitor your connection for 3 days before up'ing the speed. Link below, I hope this helps some people post up your results!

http://www.dslzoneuk.net/socket.php?type=html
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9y, 3m agoPosted 9 years, 3 months ago
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#1
I was worried too, but theres no electric and its one wire if your that worried you can always pop it back in after. :thumbsup:
Sometimes after doing it your line speed doesnt increase but its often a case of just ringing your provider and asking them to reprofile the line to up the speed. hasnt happened to me but i read up it can happen.

Obviously our ISP's are not going to tell you how to get the most bandwidth either ;-)
#2
what wires are u talking about exactly? sorry i dont understand!

i get like 1.1meg should be getting 8 :x
#3
Lol = I was actually going to do this the other day, moved the wall unit eventually got space to get to the faceplate and unscrewed it, and damn it there was only two wires! Theres no bladdy bell wire on our line!!
#4
thanks dude.
id recommend following the link for those that dont understand properly.:thumbsup:
#5
harlzter
Lol = I was actually going to do this the other day, moved the wall unit eventually got space to get to the faceplate and unscrewed it, and damn it there was only two wires! Theres no bladdy bell wire on our line!!


:lol:

Well my internet line just vanished (as it does once a week thanks to my local exchange) so thought what the hell might as well pull the wire and guess what. I had FOUR. Bit like bomb disposal PMSL.
#6
The main reason why people don't get 8Mb is because not many of us actually live right next to the exchange. Beside, even if you are able to sync at 8Mb with your router, you still only get around 7Mb actual speed because of the bras profile they use on ADSL Max.

Rewiring may help with improving your noise margin, but how much you get also depends largely on your attenuation (something you cant do much about unless you move home, i.e. live closer to exchange). To be honest I'm a bit skeptical about what the op claimed, 4Mb to 8Mb that is. But if it really did work then good for him. But just don't expect the same for everyone.
#7
I'm also sceptical BUT if you examine the wiring of line 3 you can see how it 'could' cause problems...

http://www.wppltd.demon.co.uk/WPP/Wiring/UK_telephone/a_Phone_wiring_cct_diagram.gif

By disconnecting L3 you leave L2+L5 'clean' with no risk of anything causing voltage drops/interference etc via line 3.

I may be completely wrong of course :lol:
1 Like #8
As a telephone engineer i can see how it would work and not cause an averse effect unless you have an old style phone. if it doesn't work you can alway reconnect it in any case.

All Virgin Media cable network phones use 2 wires but BT use 3 to generate the ring.
banned#9
Thankfully i left ADSL about 4 years ago and went with NTL aka VIrgin Media.

I have a 20mb connection and get a download speed of 2.6mb/s - better than the actual line itself!

My "mate" also has the same connection and he just downloaded the a full DVD of The Bank Job (4.8GB) - it was downoaded in 48 minutes!

But BT customer dont worry! - The future is bright for BT Broadband - They are in talks of making all existing lines fibre optic!
#10
mmk1125;1859350
The main reason why people don't get 8Mb is because not many of us actually live right next to the exchange. Beside, even if you are able to sync at 8Mb with your router, you still only get around 7Mb actual speed because of the bras profile they use on ADSL Max.

Rewiring may help with improving your noise margin, but how much you get also depends largely on your attenuation (something you cant do much about unless you move home, i.e. live closer to exchange). To be honest I'm a bit skeptical about what the op claimed, 4Mb to 8Mb that is. But if it really did work then good for him. But just don't expect the same for everyone.

your 100% correct, I live within 1.8km of my exchange hence was able to get to the top speed. Top download speed ive had is 7.4mb
Im not saying everyone will get as good results but the link has lots of great info on it and it causes no harm by disconnectin wire 3. Simply ring your home phone after to make sure all phones ring. If they do ...great.
#11
Having looked at that page again I think its debatable if it has ANY effect at all because all you're doing is disconnecting L3 from your extensions, it's still wired internally on the master socket so any piece of equipment connected directly to that outlet would still be using L3. So bearing that in mind, to do a proper trial you would need to leave the master out of service :thumbsup:
#12
I disconnected it in the master socket too. Not just my own extensions. Im not very technical only what ive read but I hope it helps others too.
#13
killerferret
I disconnected it in the master socket too. Not just my own extensions. Im not very technical only what ive read but I hope it helps others too.


Well just make sure if you ever have an engineer round to fix your line that you reconnect it as you're not supposed to tamper with that part of the socket, that's why the extension breakouts are on a separate plate:thumbsup:
#14
[QUOTE=killerferret]I was worried too, but theres no electric and its one wire if your that worried you can always pop it back in after. :thumbsup:
QUOTE]

There is actually 48v on the line when the phone rings
1 Like #15
Shengis;1859833
Well just make sure if you ever have an engineer round to fix your line that you reconnect it as you're not supposed to tamper with that part of the socket, that's why the extension breakouts are on a separate plate:thumbsup:

will do, shouldnt be too hard. :-D I should of added in the post I did this 4 months ago, I didnt post at the time as was sceptical and wanted to see if the speed held.
Cheers for the info on the voltage, although you'll never feel 48V unless you put your tongue on it. lol
well if anyone does it let me know if you get any gains as I cant believe I got lucky twice!
#17
I wired all my own phone lines in and have never seen a wire in socket 3, this is just a 2 page guide to checking your filters are in the right place. Not a freebie deal imho
#18
Useful information but as stated above, its not a deal either, so I will not be voting either way.
Thanks
#19
djdaface;1861267
I wired all my own phone lines in and have never seen a wire in socket 3, this is just a 2 page guide to checking your filters are in the right place. Not a freebie deal imho

you obviously didnt click on the flash application on the web page at the top which will take you through checking the master socket. Otherwise yes it is a guide on filter setup.
#20
jazid;1861507
Useful information but as stated above, its not a deal either, so I will not be voting either way.
Thanks

your right, do you know where it should go on the forum :)
#21
Just tried to be mine and wire 3 was already unplugged! Oh well, thanks anyway.
#22
as an openreach engineer, i cant see how this would work, whether you disconnect pin 3 or not the voltage and line is only ever travelling over pins 2 and 5 and as pin 3 is a seperate piece of copper its never going to affect it.

50v is the standard voltage on the line, when ringing it can peak higer to around 100v, trust me, 50v will give you a nasty nip if you have sweaty or moist fingers, ISDN at 110v is a much worse shock.
#23
Im a Exchange engineer and this is a April fools joke...................2&5 on the telephone socket is the line 4 is used for a earth 3 is used to get ring voltage to a telephone socket called a slave ( a Master has a Capacitor inside )(or a bell) this was used years ago when we used to have the old type rotary phones, it would stop the other phone tinkling when you dialled, pins 1&6 are spare pins and have no effect on the telephone socket.........
#24
chuf
Im a Exchange engineer and this is a April fools joke...................2&5 on the telephone socket is the line 4 is used for a earth 3 is used to get ring voltage to a telephone socket called a slave ( a Master has a Capacitor inside )(or a bell) this was used years ago when we used to have the old type rotary phones, it would stop the other phone tinkling when you dialled, pins 1&6 are spare pins and have no effect on the telephone socket.........


ok guys, is this real or not?

can anyone provide a link to this being a fake?
#25
It works, my line failed the test for BT Vision, disconnecting the bell or no. 3 wire, more than doubled my speed, I know have BT Vision.

I did this months ago
#26
too technical for me. I pass on this. Cant check just clickin on somewhere online?
#27
Thanks to OP
I have just removed the 3rd wire (orange) and have increased my speed (admittedly just slightly).
I was on 1.90MB/s and now on 1.99MB/s with o2 on newsgroups...with an extention lead to my router - im assuming this is wrong?
Can someone tell me if it would be better to have a long RJ11 from master socket to my router? Thanks again :)
#28
The best way to improve your broadband is to minimise the amount of wire the signal has to travel. Fitting a filtered faceplate like this one for example http://www.adslnation.com/products/xte2005.php means that the ADSL is filtered at the master socket so it doesn't travel through all the extension wiring. Ideally having the router close to the master socket but if not then running a dedicated extension that uses twisted pair cable is the next best thing.

Basically the flat type cable is no good as it isn't twisted and therfore has no rejection to interference. A lot more info on ADSL wiring at http://www.readman.dsl.pipex.com/other/UKphonecatwiring.htm
#29
Going_Digital;1864275

Basically the flat type cable is no good as it isn't twisted and therfore has no rejection to interference. A lot more info on ADSL wiring at http://www.readman.dsl.pipex.com/other/UKphonecatwiring.htm

that second link is a great link.

Just below the diagram of all the open sockets, it starts to explain what the ring wire does and why removing it improves the ADSL speed with examples.

thanks going_digital :)
#30
This fascinated me and after checking the socket i found 3 and 6 in use as well as 2 and 5. Promptly whipped 3 and 6 out from master and extension to pc so heres hoping i get a speed improvement soon.......

Also, definately no damage done to the phone itself, still ringing and working fine! Thanks op if this comes off i'm giving you a million rep points! :whistling: :p

Hint: use a pair of needlenose pliers to grab the short end of the redundant wire sticking through the contact and gently pull upward, not much welly required until it gives way.
#31
I used to work for a large ADSL ISP and this can work for some people. This wire isnt needed on new telephone systems but until new high speed lines it wasnt doing any harm either. In some cases there can be quite a bit of electrical noise being carried on this line so it can increase your noise margin.
You might have a bell wire thats picking up some noise, lots of noise, no noise or you may not even have a bell wire. This can in some situations help your speed with varying results.
Rather than just looking at your speed you should be able to see your line stats in your router or modem's configuration pages. Try using your router and modem in different sockets and with/without the bell wire connected to see how these stats are affected.

In short this is a real tip it's just that it's effectiveness is often exagerated.
#32
Is this for people running their internet wires from microfilters that are attached to extension sockets (i.e. those separate from the master socket)???

I'm running my microfilter and its attached internet wire from a master socket...so will this procedure help me at all??

Thanks for info!
#33
Possible this might work.

AIUI this involves disconnecting the shunt line which stopped older phones from "tinkling" intermittently. As this amounts to little more than a capacitor in the MS, which is unused on modern phones but which could cause signal degradation of higher frequencies (the cap acting in effect as a low-pass filter) this *might* give some improvement.

Problem being that attenuation caused by distance from exchange is likely to kill those higher frequencies long before a small cap is able to do any damage.

Also (as I found to my cost when deploying cheaper phones on Cisco VOIP connections) some cheap phones (notably the Tesco Value devices) still need this connection and are liable to ring intermittently without it -- so a £6 adaptor from Maplin might be required for these phones.
#34
Outrunner;1859841
[QUOTE=killerferret]I was worried too, but theres no electric and its one wire if your that worried you can always pop it back in after. :thumbsup:
QUOTE]

There is actually 48v on the line when the phone rings


85v AC If I remember rightly.

Chrissy_bwoy
as an openreach engineer, i cant see how this would work, whether you disconnect pin 3 or not the voltage and line is only ever travelling over pins 2 and 5 and as pin 3 is a seperate piece of copper its never going to affect it.

50v is the standard voltage on the line, when ringing it can peak higer to around 100v, trust me, 50v will give you a nasty nip if you have sweaty or moist fingers, ISDN at 110v is a much worse shock.



chuf
Im a Exchange engineer and this is a April fools joke...................2&5 on the telephone socket is the line 4 is used for a earth 3 is used to get ring voltage to a telephone socket called a slave ( a Master has a Capacitor inside )(or a bell) this was used years ago when we used to have the old type rotary phones, it would stop the other phone tinkling when you dialled, pins 1&6 are spare pins and have no effect on the telephone socket.........




The reason it works due to the Ringing/bell wire picking up noise and interference it's almost like an antenna.

After all you've got all this lovely copper conductor sitting in your wall next to who knows what, Also AM radio stations can interfere with ADSL/ADSL2+ if your near enough to the transmitter... (there is a frequency overlap between AM radio and ADSL)
#35
Well one thing I can report, it's done nowt to sort out my SDU Length errors. I swear BT clip my data on purpose :lol:
#36
I did this years ago on a brand new house with brand new wire and a new copper line to the exchange (we were on fibre optic), the attenuation doesnt change but the ring wire disconnected from master socket gave my SNR a 10db boost, with 7 extensions around a big house the "antenna" wire was picking up all sorts of noise.
100% works. Best way to check if it makes any difference is to plug router into the test socket behind master plug (if you have one), that way you dont have to undo any wires.
Not really a deal though!
#37
***Shameless plug alert!***:whistling:

As well as a member here I'm also one of the moderators on DSL Zone.

It's good to see some of you have tried the wiring tutorial on the site.

If you have any further questions that aren''t answered here, don't be shy, come over to the forum, it's very friendly and someone will be willing to advise.

The site is also a useful resource for ISP reviews, speedtesting and general DSL info.

Hope to see you there! :thumbsup:

thar

http://www.dslzoneuk.net/
#38
tried this. Unscrewed my master socket and there was no test socket, wires 2,5 and 3 were connected, i cut wire 3 and tried connecting again. Made no difference for me though :(
#39
Is that no differnce to speed or stats?

As said, it doesn'tt make a difference in all cases but in marginal lines it can make a difference between making a connection or no connection at all.
#40
checked mine last night, line 3 was connected in all sockets, so unclipped. now i'll wait an see what happens. supposed to be gettin 8mb but barely pushing 2mb, not even that far from exchange too.

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