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Paypal/Ebay scammed

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7y, 5m agoPosted 7 years, 5 months ago
Basically i listed £20 amazon e-vouchers on ebay the guy won paid by paypal and i left feedback positive after he had for me. He won the item on 9/6/2009 and today 20 days later i get a dispute claim from paypal with this guy claiming his account was used fraudulently and they have suspended the money he gave me till they sort it. Ive checked this guys feedback and on 4 different occassions hes done this to others who have sold him e vouchers. I contacted the ebayers who he scammed and one guy got back to me and basically said paypal didnt believe him and gave this con man his money back. this ebayer even tried to use the original code he still had and low and behold it had already been used!!
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7y, 5m agoPosted 7 years, 5 months ago
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#1
No as i used e-vouchers i just emailed him the codes once he left me positive. know i look very naive now!
#2
thats the trouble with ebay if you send anything using 1st class even tho u may have proof of postage they will Always side with the buyer no matter what, even if hes left feedback, even if you have posted it with recorded i,ve heard that even then they will side with the buyer, just pot luck with paypal, i,m afraid, gone are the days with simple cheques and postal orders
#3
digital items arent covered by paypal protection you have to send them via registered post to be signed for

although its not what you want to hear but youve lost your cash im afraid
#4
all u can do is go to ur account and click the buyer hasnt paid, and hope he repays for it, if not give him a strike after the 8 days are up i think it is by closing the case on ebay
#5
Surely paypal are going to have to start realising that buyers are starting to rip the sellers off rather than the other way around if they keep siding with them like this. I know there are a lot of dodgy sellers on there but there are also a lot of dodgy buyers and paypal need to start taking more things into consideration ie. if they've left feedback I would say tough titties, too late, you've left feedback which, in my mind, confirms that you have received said item, so no refund can be made. Where's the paypal protection for sellers?
#6
sadly paypal are only intrested in money, theres very little cover for sellers, and even with the cover its not 100% u will get all your cash back even when you comply with their rules of sending etc
#7
Period: AllPast 1 monthPast 6 monthsPast 12 months


Feedback / Item From / Price Date/Time
Fraud. Do not trust. gets & uses vouchers then does charge backs via paypal. Seller: ???( 3 ) 21-Jun-09 00:07
£10 Amazon voucher (#180369284630) -- View Item
absolute con. sent 4 emails, no response. waste of time don't bother! Buyer: ???( 588) 20-Jun-09 10:58
iTUNES £25 Voucher, Quick despatch, UK Ebay (#200352164570) £15.99 View Item
Immediate payment, recommended eBayer, many thanks! A+ Seller: ???( 227) 18-Jun-09 13:56
Follow-up by ???(25-Jun-09 21:24):
WARNING!! Bidder wins voucher then tries to get money back through Paypal.

£10 Amazon.co.uk voucher (#180368146736) -- View Item
Great buyer Seller: t5583 ( 14) 17-Jun-09 16:10
Amazon £10 Voucher (#250446393903) -- View Item
Extremely fast payment - 5 * - highly recommended buyer! Seller: ??? ( 106) 17-Jun-09 09:09
£40 AMAZON.CO.UK VOUCHER - Buy with confidence (#230348008310) -- View Item
Quick payment cheers Seller: ???( 504) 17-Jun-09 08:38
TEN POUND AMAZON GIFT E VOUCHER (#260428988857) -- View Item
PERFECT BUYER, remember we sell many retro RGB SCART cables and accessories! Seller: chaoticjelly ( 10759) 16-Jun-09 23:25
£10 Amazon / Amazon.co.uk Gift E-Voucher Certificate (#180369750655) -- View Item
Great ebayer :) Thank you very much, welcome back any time! +AAAAAAAAA Seller: ??( 3 ) 16-Jun-09 10:44
Follow-up by ???(21-Jun-09 00:17):
Warning. Buys vouchers then does charge back on payment. police will be informed

£10 Amazon voucher (#180367948416)
#8
This is his feedback yet he'll still get back his money!
#9
if you look at ebay at the moment its more buyer orientated protection, you only have to look at the new feedback system on ebay, sellers cant even leave negatives anymore, which is totally wrong in my opinion, you cant leave negs to let people know that they scammed or not paid etc etc, thats why some have left them and gone to ebid, esp with ebays new way over inflated fees, and final fees, not to mention paypals fees, which low and behold ebay owns
#10
tinkerbell28
I disagree, seller protection is very good IF you know the ins and outs and what your obligations are :-)
i,ve known people who have followed it to the letter even with special delivery they confirmed everything to the letter and low and behold they still lost the case, if you want proof of this you only have to look on the paypal sucks website, for the horror storys
banned#11
tinkerbell28
Seller protection is very good, IF you follow it properly, it's hardly ebay's fault if people don't follow the rules or read the eligiblity!
Yes buyers take the mick, and there are some dodgy claims BUT if sellers sent their items tracked there would not be this problem.
You cannot take stop refunds for INR, for the genuine buyers/claims out there.


seller protection is garbage ive sent things recorded and they still get a chargebnack as they said wasnt their signiture also had afew chargebacks and paypal hasnt even notified me that it was happening
#12
if you open a case of non payment with ebay you can give him a strike after 8 days, thats prob the best thing you can do, at least you will get your final fees back, i know its not much but its something, and hopefully if others have done it he will be suspended after so many non payment strikes,
#13
I could not follow these comments when i sent the codes because i sent them on the 9/6/2009 and the negatives didnt come on his feedback till the 16/6/2009. At this point his feedback was fine.
banned#14
tinkerbell28
Buyer protection is amazing, it's their best selling point, seller protection is good, if you understand it.
The fb sucks, but it's only because sellers abused the system, the scales have now tipped.
Ebid is crap, if you only want to showcase and loose volume, then it's great :thumbsup:


i know the ins and outs of it and believe me it sucks, but maybe its great in your deluded world:whistling:
#15
tinkerbell28
Buyer protection is amazing, it's their best selling point, seller protection is good, if you understand it.
The fb sucks, but it's only because sellers abused the system, the scales have now tipped.
Ebid is crap, if you only want to showcase and loose volume, then it's great :thumbsup:
yup agree with you ebid isnt a patch on ebay , but if you think about it even ebay was like ebid at one point, its got a alot more uses than it did this time last year, hopefully 1 day it will rival ebay who knows, prob wont as ebay as such a monopoly at the min but one can always hope,

maybe then ebay with have to rethink their fee and feedback structure, until then ebay can do what they like
banned#16
tanboy
I could not follow these comments when i sent the codes because i sent them on the 9/6/2009 and the negatives didnt come on his feedback till the 16/6/2009. At this point his feedback was fine.


to be fair arnt you not surposed to sell things sent through email or downloadable
#17
Anyone seen this website

[url]www.paypalsucks.com[/url]

There are so many people who have had so many different problems with pp. Check the uk forum
#18
Try phoning paypal, it will atleast speed up the process..

Anyway i agree that seller protection is good if you know how to use it. I did have a chargeback done against me for something that i sold for £200 (not suprised guy had 0 feedback) but followed the 7 steps or whatever they are and got my money back in less then 2 weeks. It's Always better to post recorded and give the tracking number to paypal ASAP, that way you are covered if a chargeback happens and paypal will pay you out no matter what.
banned#19
tinkerbell28
No, I just like watching people give out factually incorrect info, which happens on every ebay thread, and they wonder why they get stung :whistling:
I never said ebay was great either, it has many faults, people not reading their terms is not one of them ;-)


i know the terms and critera and i stick to it to a T but it happens still to loads of people, also someone can do a chargeback and then close their paypal and you aint got a sniff at getting your money back unless you take legal action and thats not worth it most of the time
#20
QUOTE=churchill;5624929]i know the terms and critera and i stick to it to a T but it happens still to loads of people, also someone can do a chargeback and then close their paypal and you aint got a sniff at getting your money back unless you take legal action and thats not worth it most of the time[/QUOTE]

:lazy:
#21
Ebay need to realise its not just sellers that can be dodgy.
I sent a recorded delivery slip to them once for something someone had claimed they hadn't received & they refunded them anyway.
banned#22
starl1ght;5624971
QUOTE=churchill]i know the terms and critera and i stick to it to a T but it happens still to loads of people, also someone can do a chargeback and then close their paypal and you aint got a sniff at getting your money back unless you take legal action and thats not worth it most of the time


:lazy:[/QUOTE]

lol how you doing sis
banned#23
tinkerbell28
Exactly, most don't though and blame ebay and pp :thumbsup:




Well clearly you don't then as you are covered for chargebacks regardless of account status, if you followed the seller protection to a T.
Some shockingly inaccurate advice being given on ebay here tonight, no wonder so many people on these boards get ripped off, seriously.


yeah course you do,

and also if you sell cheap items not worth sending recorded as buyers wouldnt pay and its not right they get money back without seller being informed its happening
#24
churchill
:lazy:


lol how you doing sis[/QUOTE]

Great, really cool in this lovely breeze :roll: lol! How's you
banned#25
starl1ght
lol how you doing sis


Great, really cool in this lovely breeze :roll: lol! How's you[/QUOTE]

great its cool here now with me windows open and the force of the air coming off the speakers as the bee gees are blasting out makes it like a fan

o i ment slip knot and not the bee gees

the bee gees pfft
#26
As this is an individual Amazon coded e-voucher that has now been used by this scammer, surely this can now be put in the hands of Amazon to name the account the voucher had been used on? Anything bought through Amazon surely is accountable?

The code would have been in your name in let say Sheffield, but the person that has used it is Joe Bloggs in Birmingham who also is the person with the eBay account!!

I hope this hasn't already been suggested as I've been lazy and not read all posts:oops:
#27
stefor
As this is an individual Amazon coded e-voucher that has now been used by this scammer, surely this can now be put in the hands of Amazon to name the account the voucher had been used on? Anything bought through Amazon surely is accountable?

The code would have been in your name in let say Sheffield, but the person that has used it is Joe Bloggs in Birmingham who also is the person with the eBay account!!

I hope this hasn't already been suggested as I've been lazy and not read all posts:oops:


I think there may be some data protection issues with that (but I'm sure Tinkerbell will put me right)
banned#28
tinkerbell28
But then if you not sending trackable, you have to account for the odd claim, it's just trading on ebay.:


i agree but still shouldnt give the funds back without checking with you first
#29
churchill
i agree but still shouldnt give the funds back without checking with you first


I'm sure it's aaaaaallllll in the terms and conditions and therefore completely fair
banned 1 Like #30
tinkerbell28
No it's just some don't know how to use it, which is quite clear in the other 2 ongoing threads. Just because someone DOES actually know the rules inside and out, does not leave room for snide digs, no wonder so many people have ebay questions/scams on here.
People clearly don't know HOW to use ebay and if you do correctly, that is supporting ebay. Grow up and understand when someone is actually helping with FACTS! Of course seller protection is existent, now just checking on the other thread, where people have been chucking out incorrect advice :)
The mature ones are out in force I see :) Oh no that would be the bullies I mean :)


to be fair hun you havent gave any advice you have just stated that people dont the rules inside and out so its their own fault maybe you should criticise less and actually give the op some of your many years of wisdom:thumbsup:
#31
tanboy, I've seen and read enough on here for now.

I do hope you get it sorted mate, as no one deserves to be scammed in this day and age where money is tight.

Good Luck.
banned#32
if you look at it mate, you only lost £20 compared to this women who will have lost her (260419447529) £100 worth of vouchers as he surely will file a paypal dispute for all the vouchers he purchased after some time.

seeing his feedback it is obvious that he only created ebay account to purchase vouchers and take the money back and while also keeping/using the voucher.

CRAZY.
banned#33
stefor
tanboy, I've seen and read enough on here for now.

I do hope you get it sorted mate, as no one deserves to be scammed in this day and age where money is tight.

Good Luck.


unfortunitly the more tight money is the more people scam :x
banned#34
[SIZE="7"][COLOR="Blue"]carolnetball[/COLOR] SCUM BAG THIEF LOL[/SIZE]
banned#35
tinkerbell28
I did, but others will shoot you down in flames, like yourself for knowing the rules and going on fact, not hearsay.
People should read the rules,, yeah and I only started stating that when people like you made me out to be an ebay employee or something. I was actually constructive at the beginning, telling the op what he could do to avoid in future. There are just people on here that are like sheep, and like to feel like they can bully people, when they actually can't help the op :)


Ii can only go off my experiences and they are bad ones, doesnt really bother me you win some you lose some i make 1000s more then i lose

and i have had chargebacks and followed it perfect, my mate got chargebacks and he paid for postage through PAYPAL lol and got it stamped at post office and that was december and paypal didnt want to know, he is taking legal action against them
banned#36
tinkerbell28
Like I say things have changed, providing you do send online tracked, with proof of signature for over £150 and you meet the critera, you will be covered.
Paying postage through pp is not proof of delivery, just trying to point out, before I get flamed :) Proof of posting and proof of receipt are different :) No I don't work for ebay either :thumbsup:


if paying through paypal and getting it stamped at post office whats the point in paypal even doing the postage slips then
banned#37
tinkerbell28
It's just meant to be easier, rather than spending the extra time at the PO, it's not hard and fast proof in a dispute :-( Anyhow I must go to bed x


the payapl slip states on it retain this as your proof of postage, really shouldnt say that if it doesnt mean anything

goodnight
banned#38
tinkerbell28
Ok just quickly to wind this thread up proof of postage is not proof of delivery. In the event of a dispute or a claim you need to prove deliverynot postage.
Proof of postage means the seller can claim from RM, in the event of a problem, that is what POP is for.
I hope that clarifies it somewhat, thankyou for giving me the chance to explain, hope it helps someone, night x


thought you were going to bed:) paypal mislead people and they are scum lol

and still rip people offf
banned#39
tinkerbell28
Yeah I was until my 14 month old decided to stir and is now watching Balamory with me, joy:thumbsup:

I do understand people think PP are crap, and yeah in some instances they are, but people can cut the risks, just by sending tracked, all I was trying to say :)


14 month old decided to stir who you kidding come on you just couldnt stay away from me:whistling:
#40
I always wait weeks before giving buyers a pos feedback now. Taking away the neg has swung it massively in buyers favour now.

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