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Paypal issues and threatening refunds regarding concert tickets, please advise?

realfriendlyman Avatar
7y, 9m agoPosted 7 years, 9 months ago
My friend has sold some concert tickets on Ebay and since it's a preorder he has received confirmation for the tickets but he decided to sell them on.
Paypal has now requested tracking numbers, otherwise they will issue refunds.

He informed them that the tickets haven't been delivered to anyone attending the event yet but he can provide any info as soon as he receives the tickets but Paypal have said that they'll issue refunds if they don't receive the tracking number within a certain date.

Where does he stand on this?
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7y, 9m agoPosted 7 years, 9 months ago
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#1
Obviously nowhere, they want the tracking numbers and they want them by then. It don't look for your pal.
#2
reading between the lines, he had to inform paypal because of the names needing to be on the tickets?
#3
you really shouldnt put anything up for sale until you have it in your possession, as thats what happens on here also.
1 Like #4
refund the paypal, relist and only accept cheque or bank transfer... List nearer the time of the concert and put it down to experience
#5
Will the tickets come to your mate or the winning bidder?
#6
shouldnt be selling stuff you dont have in your possesion in the first place

should wait for the tickets to be delivered before selling them or at least define it in the description with a warning that they wont be sent until theyve been received........

seen people were selling oasis tickets last year when announced but tickets aint even been sent out yet...... now its too late for people to make a claim if they are not delivered

ring the ticket comapny and cancel if you cant make it

hate scalpers with a vengenace,scourge of the earth
#7
I advised him to sell it when the time nears incase any issues arise but he chose to list them now, as he had to pay for the tickets upfront but now knows he won't be able to make the event due to other commitments.

I told him to contact the buyers and sort something out with them, as they have all his details etc, so he's not going to run away but I agree that Paypal won't cover them once the 45 days has elapsed, so it does make sense really. :)

Will he be able to claim back the Ebay fees if the transactions don't go ahead?

Thanks for the advice guys and girls. :thumbsup:
#8
Personally I am going to stop accepting paypal, I have had so many bad experiences and the fees are ridiculous. !!!:w00t:
#9
this is all over the michael jackson forum too-seems paypal are actually doing the right thing for once.

1. nobody should sell something they dont actually have in their hands.


oh,and 2. people who sell tickets above face value are the scum of the earth and its high time the government outlawed the practice!
[mod]#10
Touts never prosper in the long run. :-D
#11
Nothing to do with anything,but how come a lot of your threads are about a "friend":whistling:
#12
Cause hes a really friendly man.
#13
he can claim ebay fees after he refunds them through paypal

once its been refunded it will flag in ebay as not paid so you open a mutual agreement to cancedl the transactiuon

provided he has kept the buyer happy im sure they will have no problem in replying and closing the case resulting in any fees being credited
#14
Technically you may have to offer it, but I have seen hundreds of listings that state NO PAYPAL due to the fees etc etc.
#15
natashaxxx
Personally I am going to stop accepting paypal, I have had so many bad experiences and the fees are ridiculous. !!!:w00t:


I hate Paypal too and they cost me £1000's when they held back funds because I made a lot of money in a short space of time, even though I proved the tracking numbers and had 100% positive feedback.

Unfortunately, this went on for quite a while and the market became oversaturated by the time they released the funds, so I couldn't reinvest it. :x

barky
this is all over the michael jackson forum too-seems paypal are actually doing the right thing for once.

1. nobody should sell something they dont actually have in their hands.


oh,and 2. people who sell tickets above face value are the scum of the earth and its high time the government outlawed the practice!


I don't agree scalping, even though I have been tempted at times and haven't gone ahead with it but remember that there are a lot of people that buy take advantage of the deals on HUKD for resale...that's basically the same thing.

tinkerbell28
No worries, he needs to wait and list them nearer the time, as if he has the same problem again, too many disputes will see him banned. No he won't be able to claim the fees back. He is better refunding now as well rather than paypal forcing it. It looks better on him.



If you sell on ebay you can't:thumbsup:


Very true, you stand to lose a lot of money if Paypal is excluded in auctions and with profit margins being tight, you stand to only break even after fees have come into the equation.

deb8z
Nothing to do with anything,but how come a lot of your threads are about a "friend":whistling:


I have a lot of friends and I normally give out very good advice but I thought I'd see what people think.

Now the more pressing question...do you really like my threads or are you stalking me? :giggle:
#16
natashaxxx
Technically you may have to offer it, but I have seen hundreds of listings that state NO PAYPAL due to the fees etc etc.


they will be removed if ebay finds out.....
#17
Was ur mate selling Mj tickets by any chance ?
#18
tinkerbell28
I promise Casper I am not trying to pick on you hunny xxx.
RFM he can't do that, tell him not too, it's abuse of the FVF credit system and if the buyer reports that too, he will be in more trouble:)

Casper is spot on.


its not abuse of the fvf as its technically not been sold and paid for.........

get your money back there is no reason why you shouldnt providing you refund the buyer

sounds like an honest mistake and ebay will get there cut when its relisted
#19
tinkerbell28
IT IS Casper as yes the item has been paid for read the statement above. If he files for a FVF credit and the buyer reports it he will be sanctioned, believe me:thumbsup:


ive read it and it relates to completed transactions

this my friend has not been completed, goods have not changed hands and refund will be issued

i am well aware of how ebay works and have been advised before by ebay australia to do what i have explained

no goods have been exchanged and techincally the whole transaction has been cancelled which in turn means any fees should be canceeled also but unfortuantely it is not automatic like it is with paypal who refund your fees when a refund is issued
[mod]#20
Tinkerbell is right...........transaction was completed, seller then broke the terms of sale and defaulted. FVF abuse if they try to get them refunded.
#21
tinkerbell28
I won't agrue with you it's there in black and white this WAS a completed transaction. The buyer want's a refund due to the seller not sending the goods. Not grounds for a fee refund of FVF, so I see your point, ebay do not see it that way.
The seller would be guilty of FVF abuse, end of.


that rule stands for people who have sold an item and completed a transaction and in turn have attempted to recoup fees saying the transaction hasnt been completed.

same as paypal refunding their fees when you refund.....

you are misconstruing the rules im afraid.......the transaction could not be completed as the seller does not have the tickets in hi/sher posssesion no goods have been sent so nothing has been sold so no fees are to be paid
#22
Syzable
Tinkerbell is right...........transaction was completed, seller then broke the terms of sale and defaulted. FVF abuse if they try to get them refunded.


i know different as ive been advised to reclaim fees for incomplete transactions by ebay themselves and nothing to do with fvf abuse..........transaction is technically cancelled no goods have been exchanged

put ur tongue away
[mod] 1 Like #23
casparwhite;4889176
i know different as ive been advised to reclaim fees for incomplete transactions by ebay themselves and nothing to do with fvf abuse..........transaction is technically cancelled no goods have been exchanged

put ur tongue away


I know you are wrong.........that's all that matters. :)
#24
realfriendlyman
I hate Paypal too and they cost me £1000's when they held back funds because I made a lot of money in a short space of time, even though I proved the tracking numbers and had 100% positive feedback.

Unfortunately, this went on for quite a while and the market became oversaturated by the time they released the funds, so I couldn't reinvest it. :x



I don't agree scalping, even though I have been tempted at times and haven't gone ahead with it but remember that there are a lot of people that buy take advantage of the deals on HUKD for resale...that's basically the same thing.



Very true, you stand to lose a lot of money if Paypal is excluded in auctions and with profit margins being tight, you stand to only break even after fees have come into the equation.



I have a lot of friends and I normally give out very good advice but I thought I'd see what people think.

Now the more pressing question...do you really like my threads or are you stalking me
? :giggle:



I thought it was common knowledge i stalk EVERY male on HUKD:thumbsup:
#25
tinkerbell28
I didn't want to say Deb8z:p


I may start on the women next;-)
#26
If you've sold an item but can't go through with the sale, you can cancel the transaction in our Resolution Centre and you may receive a credit on your Final Value Fee.

Possible reasons for cancelling the transaction are that the item is no longer available or in good condition, you sold it to someone else, or there's some other reason you can't complete the sale.

Note: When you cancel a transaction, there’s no action against the buyer. If your buyer didn't pay you, see What to do when your buyer doesn't pay (unpaid item process).

http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/sell/cancel-transaction-process.html


still in doubt....they will confirm it here
http://rtm.ebaystatic.com/3/RTMS/Image/RTM_TBI_UK_Callebaybanner930x42.gif
[mod]#27
The transaction hasn't been cancelled though.............it has been defaulted and a claim registered through Paypal for non-receipt of goods.

Totally different. :)
1 Like #28
I agree with those two,you're wrong caspar.
#29
Syzable
The transaction hasn't been cancelled though.............it has been defaulted and a claim registered through Paypal for non-receipt of goods.

Totally different. :)


whatever u say mate!

its there in black n white for you and i have clarified this with ebay themselves

if you really care that much to proove me wrong ssorry as its not possible


do you know what transaction actually means?
[mod]#30
I blame RFM for posting this thread.............considering the ongoing difference of opinion i've conceded that he started this thread with the sole purpose of inciting arguments therefore he is a troll. :p :lol:
[mod]#31
casparwhite;4889404
whatever u say mate!

its there in black n white for you and i have clarified this with ebay themselves

if you really care that much to proove me wrong ssorry as its not possible


do you know what transaction actually means?


I lol at you right now. :-D

What you are saying is any seller that doesn't send the goods etc is entitled to a FVF even though they are in breach of eBays policies
1 Like #32
Syzable
I lol at you right now. :-D


looks like we all happy then lol

im not saying anything its come from ebay

Possible reasons for cancelling the transaction are that the item is no longer available or in good condition, you sold it to someone else, or there's some other reason you can't complete the sale.
[mod]#33
casparwhite;4889443
looks like we all happy then lol

im not saying anything its come from ebay


Win Win all round then. :-D

We'll leave it there and let RFM's friend rue his lost pounds in sales. lol
#34
cxan i just ask tinkerbell what this statement means or your version.......


you may go to the toilet?
#35
lol i think yhou need to check the op's post again its n ot a scammer its a genuine mistake

its being cancelled as he doesnt have the tickets yet and the buyer isnt prepared to wait

like my bold said before .........


also awaiting your interpretation of what this means....

you may go to the toilet!!
[mod]#36
casparwhite;4889575


its being cancelled as he doesnt have the tickets yet and the buyer isnt prepared to wait


Re-read the OP..........it's not the Buyers demands..........it's eBay and Paypals.

You have to deliver all sold items within a set time limit.........he can't so they will take the matter out of everyones hands. :)
#37
tinkerbell28
Of course, your expression, represents meaning 2, The quote from ebay represents meaning 1. Not that hard really is it? You are giving permission. The statement from Ebay shows a possibility. Therefore no guarantee.

may   /meɪ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [mey]
–auxiliary verb, present singular 1st person may, 2nd may or (Archaic) may⋅est or mayst, 3rd may; present plural may; past might.
1. (used to express possibility): It may rain.
2. (used to express opportunity or permission): You may enter.
3. (used to express contingency, esp. in clauses indicating condition, concession, purpose, result, etc.): I may be wrong but I think you would be wise to go. Times may change but human nature stays the same.
4. (used to express wish or prayer): May you live to an old age.
5. Archaic. (used to express ability or power.)


Anything else?


lol well done

now ring ebay on that "private" number and claim all them fees back you shouldnt of paid :-D
#38
Syzable
Re-read the OP..........it's not the Buyers demands..........it's eBay and Paypals.

You have to deliver all sold items within a set time limit.........he can't so they will take the matter out of everyones hands. :)


why is it been taken out of their hands?

the seller is just unsure.....they aint nmo scammer just mnade mistake

seller can easily refund the funds and incidenally they will get their paypal fees back because the transcation has not been completed

on your thinking paypal should still keep their cut as well as ebay

defintion of transaction just for you

Transaction


An agreement between a buyer and a seller for the exchange of goods or services for payment.

Investopedia Says:
The parties participating in a transaction have an obligation to perform their part. For example, for two parties involved in a futures contract, the seller is obligated to sell and deliver the underlying asset and the buyer is contractually obligated to pay the agreed upon price and accept the delivery.
[mod] 1 Like #39
Paypal never keep their cut in a refund.........eBay will still charge fees as the seller failed to fulfill the transaction which was their fault for not ensuring they could comply with the rules on selling tickets.
[mod]#40
tinkerbell28;4889645


Honestly, I think it's a lost cause :whistling:


I know..........i'm quitting now. :lol:

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