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Paypal listing mandatory on ebay starting late April 2008

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8y, 8m agoPosted 8 years, 8 months ago
Currently, PayPal is offered on about 95% of listings on eBay.co.uk. Starting in late April 2008, we will require all sellers on eBay.co.uk to offer PayPal on their listings.

What do you think? Their charges are outrageous. Seems pointless to have Paypal in your listing for small value items.
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8y, 8m agoPosted 8 years, 8 months ago
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banned#1
Hopefully people will rebel.
#2
Charges are expensive, but i feel alot safer paying via Paypal on the internet.
#3
ebays charges are getting ridiculous too.
banned 1 Like #4
The JFK;1772447
Charges are expensive, but i feel alot safer paying via Paypal on the internet.


About as safe as using Western Union!!! Both being the chosen tool for scammers.
#5
Well that's our business account closed as we only deal with personal collection/delivery so no protection from chargebacks. If anybody on here wants a fruit machine or jukebox, you know who to call ;-)
#6
vicki4903
ebays charges are getting ridiculous too.


I agree and their so called 'offers' are laughable like currently you can save £0.15 as gallery listing is free!
banned#7
Shengis;1772462
Well that's our business account closed as we only deal with personal collection/delivery so no protection from chargebacks. If anybody on here wants a fruit machine or jukebox, you know who to call ;-)


I suppose you could list it but advise people you will only POC and money will be refunded if they are stupid enough to use paypal and expect you to swallow their ridiculous charges!!
#8
guv
I suppose you could list it but advise people you will only POC and money will be refunded if they are stupid enough to use paypal and expect you to swallow their ridiculous charges!!


That is an option (and we already use it on the fruit machines) BUT when ebay implement the no negs feedback option for sellers it'll leave you wide open to that AH's. You refund their PP payment, they neg you and you have no right to reply. Methinks ****bay have thought this out quite well. Same scenario with a chargeback, no negs=no way to warn other sellers of chargeback scam artists :x:x
#9
I really want to stop using them but there is no other site that gets the buyers in like ebay. Can anybody suggest alternatives?
#10
It's always annoyed me that there isnt an option for you to make it clear the buyer pays all paypal fees if they choose that option. People used to put the costs into the P&P and offer a discount if they payed by cheque/po but that seems to have disappeared.

If you sell something for peanuts and the buyer pays by paypal it's like getting a swift kick in the nuts.
#11
pinkleponkle
It's always annoyed me that there isnt an option for you to make it clear the buyer pays all paypal fees if they choose that option. People used to put the costs into the P&P and offer a discount if they payed by cheque/po but that seems to have disappeared.

If you sell something for peanuts and the buyer pays by paypal it's like getting a swift kick in the nuts.


And now they've started sorting the searches so higher postage goes to the bottom of the list you're screwed anyway.

Oh and the other thing i'm a bit P'd off about is the way they're going to show your TRUE feedback score, ie, if you were left 3 +v's by one buyer/seller then all 3 will be included in your score. Before you only got 1 added. That's going to ruin my 666 feedback score :x
1 Like #12
I always offer paypal anyway. Safer and increases potential buyers. Charges aren't as bad as some suggest http://ppcalc.com/
1 Like #13
This really does take the pee-pee. I offer PayPal on all of mine, but to suggest it's "safer" is ridiculous. I've never managed to successfully claim back via PayPal when things have gone wrong.

If they're going to do this then they should be made to allow competitor sites like google checkout too... :-(

(EDIT: Before you all jump at me, I know that's unrealistic but people should have some kind of choice.)
1 Like #14
I wonder how this will effect things with regards to 'unfair competition', or whatever the correct legal term is. It was one thing when eBay bought PayPal but people didn't have to use it, but now they are forcing their users to use it, seems a bit dodgy.
#15
I only have a personal account with paypal which means that you can only accept 2 credit/debit card payments a year. (Accepting card payments is what you get charged for - to anyone who doesnt know already.) I have been putting on all of my ads for a while now, that i do not accept credit/debit cards via paypal, but that any other paypal method is ok. You do get a few that dont read it but most do and therefor i never get charged any fees via paypal. This is one way round it! :-D
#16
duckmagicuk2
to suggest it's "safer" is ridiculous. I've never managed to successfully claim back via PayPal when things have gone wrong.


I have. Two claims in about 2000 transactions and both were successful. So not so rediculous from my experience... EDIT: make that three successful claims; I nearly forgot about the courier who didn't collect!
#17
nightswimmer
I wonder how this will effect things with regards to 'unfair competition', or whatever the correct legal term is. It was one thing when eBay bought PayPal but people didn't have to use it, but now they are forcing their users to use it, seems a bit dodgy.


Yes I wondered that. :thinking:
#18
busymom
I only have a personal account with paypal which means that you can only accept 2 credit/debit card payments a year. (Accepting card payments is what you get charged for - to anyone who doesnt know already.) I have been putting on all of my ads for a while now, that i do not accept credit/debit cards via paypal, but that any other paypal method is ok. You do get a few that dont read it but most do and therefor i never get charged any fees via paypal. This is one way round it! :-D


No it's not, you're breaching ebays t&c's. You HAVE to accept card payments, full stop.
banned#19
duckmagicuk2;1772557
This really does take the pee-pee. I offer PayPal on all of mine, but to suggest it's "safer" is ridiculous. I've never managed to successfully claim back via PayPal when things have gone wrong.


Ive also had 2 claims for goods arriving not as described! (ie they didnt work)

I got nowhere and remain £110 out of pocket.
#20
Sellers will continue to be able to offer other payment methods alongside PayPal, as per eBay’s Accepted Payments Policy. Listings in the Motors Vehicles category will be exempt from this policy..

so does that mean if you list a car you can only be paid by paypal? or is it the other way round?
#21
emasu
Sellers will continue to be able to offer other payment methods alongside PayPal, as per eBay’s Accepted Payments Policy. Listings in the Motors Vehicles category will be exempt from this policy..

so does that mean if you list a car you can only be paid by paypal? or is it the other way round?


No it means you don't have to accept paypal.
#22
Shengis;1772627
No it means you don't have to accept paypal.


oh right :p so it is the other way round :oops:
#23
At the end of the day, they're out of order and monopolistic. The problem is.... Amazon set the precedent when they created amazon payments. Ho hum.
#24
Shengis
No it's not, you're breaching ebays t&c's. You HAVE to accept card payments, full stop.


Its paypal that doesnt allow a personal account to accept more than 2 card payments, and there is nothing on ebay to say that you cant have this type of account. Maybe this will be the next thing for Ebay to alter - but for now its working for me.:-D
#25
busymom
Its paypal that doesnt allow a personal account to accept more than 2 card payments, and there is nothing on ebay to say that you cant have this type of account. Maybe this will be the next thing for Ebay to alter - but for now its working for me.:-D


Yes there is. If you list an item with a specified payment method and then refuse that payment on any grounds (apart from unverifiable address etc) a complaint can be made by the buyer and you could potentially lose your account. I remember when they brought all this in, it was the same time they banned surcharges for using paypal:thumbsup:

By the way, the technical ebay term is : Non Performing Seller.

http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/policies/seller-non-performance.html
#26
Shengis
At the end of the day, they're out of order and monopolistic. The problem is.... Amazon set the precedent when they created amazon payments. Ho hum.


If PayPal was "eBay payments" and a part of eBay then it'd be okay I suppose, but they're forcing you to use what is essentially a 3rd part company... :x
#27
duckmagicuk2
If PayPal was "eBay payments" and a part of eBay then it'd be okay I suppose, but they're forcing you to use what is essentially a 3rd part company... :x


It's a bit of a technicality really as PP is owned by ebay corp so would probably stand up in court as 'part of ebay'. The day ebay crashes i'll be drinking the good champagne:-D
#28
Shengis
Yes there is. If you list an item with a specified payment method and then refuse that payment on any grounds (apart from unverifiable address etc) a complaint can be made by the buyer and you could potentially lose your account. I remember when they brought all this in, it was the same time they banned surcharges for using paypal:thumbsup:

By the way, the technical ebay term is : Non Performing Seller.

http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/policies/seller-non-performance.html


Thanks for the link. I suppose ive been lucky as the people i have dealt with through ebay have accepted the payment terms I put on my ads. I offer all the other payment methods ie cheque, postal order etc so not everyone chooses paypal. I think tho, if ebay are not careful, they will loose alot of sellers. They need to remember us as if there is no sellers then there is no ebay!
#29
busymom
Thanks for the link. I suppose ive been lucky as the people i have dealt with through ebay have accepted the payment terms I put on my ads. I offer all the other payment methods ie cheque, postal order etc so not everyone chooses paypal. I think tho, if ebay are not careful, they will loose alot of sellers. They need to remember us as if there is no sellers then there is no ebay!


Realistically though, are you going to stop using eBay? :-(
#30
busymom
Thanks for the link. I suppose ive been lucky as the people i have dealt with through ebay have accepted the payment terms I put on my ads. I offer all the other payment methods ie cheque, postal order etc so not everyone chooses paypal. I think tho, if ebay are not careful, they will loose alot of sellers. They need to remember us as if there is no sellers then there is no ebay!


Don't get me wrong, carry on as you are, just know the risks of what can happen when you get the idiot buyer:thumbsup:

Mind you the loss of your ebay account is really no punishment imho. I'd consider it as a kind of parole :lol:
#31
duckmagicuk2
Realistically though, are you going to stop using eBay? :-(


For selling - yes definately. If smaller items only sell for 99p then the paypal charges dont make it worth it. I think alot of other sellers will feel the same and if thats the case, then there wont be as much choice when buying and ebay's sales will go down loads. Not the right time for ebay to do this either as alot of people will go out and about to car boots for their items now the so-called "spring" is here. I think ebay are getting a bit greedy. Surely they are making enough already out of us?
#32
Shengis
Don't get me wrong, carry on as you are, just know the risks of what can happen when you get the idiot buyer:thumbsup:

Mind you the loss of your ebay account is really no punishment imho. I'd consider it as a kind of parole :lol:


Ive spent along time building up my ebay account, but if they keep trying to make more and more out of us then im afraid its bye bye to Ebay for me.
#33
Ebay are no fools, they know exactly how long they can milk the cash cow for. You have to remember they have all the figures and statistics to hand and will have full knowledge of the percentage of buyers and sellers they will gain or lose.

This kind of situation has been played out so many times in the last 10 years with Ebay and each time the opposition caves in because of one thing only, Ebay are still the cheapest most effective medium to use for small to medium retail businesses.

Ethics don't really come into it, anyone that cared about Ebay and Paypals ethics will have either left by now or made alternative plans so they are not totally reliant on Ebay for their income.
I'm sorry if that sounds a little arrogant, it is not meant that way, but it has not been hard to work out which way Ebay was heading.

Ebay will always remain in the position it is in as long as they do their figures correctly and make sure sellers do not have a viable alternative. I wish I were wrong but I really cannot see a competitor on the near horizon.
#34
We'll all be advertising in Friday Ad next
#35
Fluffykins
We'll all be advertising in Friday Ad next


Or Wooo (got a couple of bargains off there yesterday:-D )
#36
nightswimmer provides a link to a very comprehensive list of ebay alternatives. Link in his post below.

The Alternatives: Please note the following sites are cut and pasted from various sources on the net. Any comments are not my own unless stated. Please check all information given.

AdTrader
http://www.adtrader.co.uk/
This is a classified site with free listings in some categories. Ads display for 1 week, or you can pay more to list for longer. What we did like about this site was the handy ‘top searches’ for the month page http://www.adtrader.co.uk/siteinfo.php?page=top_searches. Great for market research!

Preloved
http://www.preloved.co.uk/
If you specialize in selling vintage or second-hand items then this classified site is a place to do it. Preloved is a classified site and only for second-hand items only.
It has a gorgeous design and layout, reasonable traffic flow and you can list for free with one free photo
.

eCrater
http://www.ecrater.com/
100% free online marketplace in a Buy Now format. This site gets a reasonable daily traffic flow and has a variety of products listed, making it attractive to buyers. It’s easy to use and all payments are through Google Checkout. eCrater is extremely accommodating for sellers. You can list unlimited number of products for free with up to 10 free photos per item. You also get your own URL (http://yourname.ecrater.com/), which is excellent for cross-promotion purposes and also contains order management, a feedback system and plenty more besides.

eBid
http://uk.ebid.net/
Currently the second most popular auction site in the UK with over half a million listings. Traffic to this site has increased significantly over the past few months and now would be the perfect time to get started. Interestingly, the average number of page views for this site is 20, slightly above that of eBay UK! What we love about ebid is that there are zero fees to list your items. You pay nothing until your item sells and final value fees are very low or non-existent! Sellers get two options – they can either get a standard account which gives them access to ebid’s standard auction format which is free to list with a 2% Final Value Fee. Or, you can upgrade to Seller+ account and use the free auction" which has NO listing fees and NO final value fees
.

ebid also has local sites in US, Australia, Canada and Ireland, so you have the option of selling internationally as well. Other reasons to love this site include personalized customer support (something eBay seems to have forgotten about) and a great forum.

CQOUT
http://www.cqout.com/?aff=503
[url]www.cqout.com[/url] - The second best eBay alternative?
List as many items as you want.... For FREE!
CQout is a UK based auction site which has expanded to various international countries such as:
-USA
-Canada
-India
-Australia
Eastablished since 1999, CQout has grown quietly by word of mouth.During that period the CQout has established a solid reputation for security and customer service and now have users in over 50 countries. It is now the second largest auction website in the UK.
Just like Ebid, the main benefit is that there are no listing fees
1 Like #37
Good post HTS. :)

You can also find a fuller list of alternaives here: http://www.ebay-alternatives.co.uk/
#38
nightswimmer
Good post HTS. :)

You can also find a fuller list of alternatives here: http://www.ebay-alternatives.co.uk/


Hey nightswimmer ! Hope you had a peaceful Easter :)

Just had a look at your list and it's really good , much better than mine, so anyone wanting to have a look at Ebay alternatives use nightswimmers link !

http://www.ebay-alternatives.co.uk/
#39
hottoshop
Hope you had a peaceful Easter


Great thanks. Hope you had a good one too. :)

The trouble with the alternative sites to eBay is they just do not have anywhere near the number of customers or the profile that eBay does. I know it's a bit of a chicken and the egg situation (without sellers you won't get customers, without customers you won't get sellers) so if we want things to change, at some point we have to take the plunge in order to break that cycle, but without one clear alternative that stands out, I'm not sure it is going to happen. :oops:

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