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8y, 3m agoPosted 8 years, 3 months ago
Im hoping to buy a new PC in the next few weeks and was wondering if this would run Crysis ok, also if anyone can suggest anything else to add-on or change, would be appreciated, thanks

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8y, 3m agoPosted 8 years, 3 months ago
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#1
Change a few things there

Arctic Power 600W PSU - With PCI-E, SATA, 20+4, ATX12V, 8pin +12V Connectors £26.99
Coolermaster Centurion 5 All Black Mid Tower Case - No PSU 136395 £49.99
XFX 8800GT 1GB GDDR3 Dual DVI HDCP HDTV out PCI-E Graphics Card 144431 ££89.35
Seagate ST3500320AS 500GB Hard Drive SATA II 7200rpm *32MB Cache* - OEM 130826 £46.97

and go buy crysis in game etc.
330 is not a bad wee case but not a patch on the centurion 5 which i have, 590 was a disappointment too but looked nice.
Seagate drives come with a free version of acronis disk director(download), very good for cloning backup images etc not keen on samsung, ones that work do well but... had a few too many die on me prematurely

Was gobsmacked at the price increase in cm cases, paid bout £30 for my c5 a couple of years ago check round see if you can get any at older prices
#2
so what should i remove from the list?

ive also been advised to get XP and not Vista, due to Vista's mem usage etc
#3
Only the graphics card needs to be changed, £140 8800GT is far too much. An 8800GT and crysis bought seperately will set you back no more than £100, or for £140 you can get a 4850 and Crysis which is faster. I wouldn't both with a 1GB 8800GT if your budget stretches to a 4850, although if you do want to keep it as cheap as possible £10 for the extra 512mb is just about reasonable (it has limited use, but if it's cheap enough then why not?)

The rest of it looks fine, the other changes maddogb suggested would be personal preference. I'd probably switch the hard drive to a Western Digital Greenpower 500GB WD5000AACS
#4
mate you sould get the HD 4870 - i have it and it play crysis like a dream!

Also i would try and get 4GB of ram :thumbsup:
#5
So should i just add another one of those RAM cards? I believe i have a decent soundcard and 2gb of RAM in this current PC, so would i be best moving them into the new PC?
#6
let me have a look on the site for the best 4GB at a decent price
#7
What OS would be best?
#8
#9
Thanks :)
#10
tried looking up the Motherboard but it seems to have been removed???

have you got a link?
#12
EndlessWaves
Only the graphics card needs to be changed, £140 8800GT is far too much. An 8800GT and crysis bought seperately will set you back no more than £100, or for £140 you can get a 4850 and Crysis which is faster. I wouldn't both with a 1GB 8800GT if your budget stretches to a 4850, although if you do want to keep it as cheap as possible £10 for the extra 512mb is just about reasonable (it has limited use, but if it's cheap enough then why not?)

The rest of it looks fine, the other changes maddogb suggested would be personal preference. I'd probably switch the hard drive to a Western Digital Greenpower 500GB WD5000AACS


not just personal preference really, as i said i've had all the cheaper CM range thru my hands and the c5 is by a long shot the better case of them all in quality build, also he would end up with a psu more suited to higher end graphics cards.
nm the 1gb the vga card is an xfx and having had many cards they get a lot less probs when it comes to driver up dates down the line
Also the free copy of that software with the seagate drive(costs bout £20) is one of the best methods of doing your own restore disk.
I listed all the ebuyer codes in the post as to what needs changing, having had a look at the mb it only supports ddr800, ddr1066 can be had for not uch more for a bit crisper feel so consider an asus or gigabyte equivalent
#13
can reccomend the 8800gt. recently made a new comp for 400 quid with 4 gigs of ram and 8800gt as the gfx card.
really smooth. get up to 80fps on world of warcraft!
banned#14
That GFX card will run Crysis, but only on medium settings, better of with a 9600 series for budget or an ATI 4870 if you have a little extra cash.

Get a better board like Gigabyte, Asus or Asrock, (not a foxconn)

If its a 32bit OS then you will only see 3Gb Ram max

Nothing wrong with the Seagate HD

Can'tbearsedtowriteanythingelseso...

Hope it helps :)
#15
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff100/NoXiousDesigns/PCSTUFF2.png
#16
Get a P31 Giabyte board, P31 someqat...
#17
My gripes? Graphics card is a bit pish (£140+VAT for an 8800GT? I had to check twice to make sure there weren't two of them there), two 1GB modules doesn't bode well for furture upgrades (just get a couple of 2GB modules), CPU is a bit weak (£30 more for a 30% faster chip, the E8400, which makes sense to me), cooler isn't necessary (the CPU comes with one), and that's about it.
#18
soupy
That GFX card will run Crysis, but only on medium settings, better of with a 9600 series for budget or an ATI 4870 if you have a little extra cash.


9600? :? That's slower than an 8800GT.

maddogb
not just personal preference really, as i said i've had all the cheaper CM range thru my hands and the c5 is by a long shot the better case of them all in quality build, also he would end up with a psu more suited to higher end graphics cards.

Also the free copy of that software with the seagate drive(costs bout £20) is one of the best methods of doing your own restore disk.


You'd prefer to spend a little more money to get a better built case but others would rather save money on something that they're going to be interacting with for only a few days over the lifespan of their computer. As for the power supply I haven't checked any reviews so it might be a great bargain but 600W for £27 I would generally consider a little too cheap.

According to the Acronis website Disk Director appears to be a partition/boot sector manager and partition undeleter rather than any sort of backup tool so I'm not sure how you would create a restore disk with it.
#19
EndlessWaves
9600? :? That's slower than an 8800GT.



You'd prefer to spend a little more money to get a better built case but others would rather save money on something that they're going to be interacting with for only a few days over the lifespan of their computer. As for the power supply I haven't checked any reviews so it might be a great bargain but 600W for £27 I would generally consider a little too cheap.

According to the Acronis website Disk Director appears to be a partition/boot sector manager and partition undeleter rather than any sort of backup tool so I'm not sure how you would create a restore disk with it.


Well as I said speaking from experience so nothing more than a review really, but trust me comparison side by side the c5 wins hands down and not just for a few days.

the psu is very good i've had bout 10 of em the oldest bout a year and so far they seem as good as the cm ones so a decent price and not much diff really bout a 10 which OP more than saved on the suggested gfx card in the same post
The seagate disk wizard software is an acronis product for imaging hdd's/partitions, also works if you have a newish maxtor in it can also create a bootable cd for restore purposes, check it out very good.

just checked it's actually Acronis True Image,, my bad?
#20
maddogb
Well as I said speaking from experience so nothing more than a review really, but trust me comparison side by side the c5 wins hands down and not just for a few days.


Well I've no had experience with any of them, I was just pointing out that as you don't interact with the case much, some people would rather spend as little as possible there, even if much better quality is availible for a little more. I was just explaining what I meant not recommending one way over the other.

True image is the one that allows you to back up your system, can you provide a link to show it comes with true image though? I couldn't see anything on the Seagate website or Ebuyer product page.
#21
EndlessWaves
Well I've no had experience with any of them, I was just pointing out that as you don't interact with the case much, some people would rather spend as little as possible there, even if much better quality is availible for a little more. I was just explaining what I meant not recommending one way over the other.

True image is the one that allows you to back up your system, can you provide a link to show it comes with true image though? I couldn't see anything on the Seagate website or Ebuyer product page.


sure m8 its the diskwizard one

http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?locale=en-GB&name=DiscWizard&vgnextoid=d0f569a45d3ce010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD
#22
*UPDATE*

So is this looking better? Would it all fit together and run properly? And also run Crysis on fairly high

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4762/pcstuff2vf8.png
#23
noxiousd
*UPDATE*

So is this looking better? Would it all fit together and run properly? And also run Crysis on fairly high

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4762/pcstuff2vf8.png


more like it but still consider a decent brand on the gfx card, imho it would add a nice touch
crysis is a tough baby, maybe %80 settings there, someone said the 8800gt is a tad off full settings
#24
maddogb
more like it but still consider a decent brand on the gfx card, imho it would add a nice touch
crysis is a tough baby, maybe %80 settings there, someone said the 8800gt is a tad off full settings


How do you mean 'decent brand' for GFX card?
#25
noxiousd
How do you mean 'decent brand' for GFX card?


Well asus/gigabyte/msi, budget brands i've found to be good are sapphire and xfx but really the first two are the best when it comes to reference designs unless you can source a genuine ati but don't think they sell them in europe.
Problem is the cheapie brands are fine when fitted but come windows or driver updates then problems rise.
Don't rely on the product reviews as they are all about initial impressions, cards that stand the test of time are few and far between so ask about on the game forums for long term reviews
#26
Can you recommend one off eBuyer for around 100-120 mark?
#27
noxiousd
Can you recommend one off eBuyer for around 100-120 mark?


check out scan this weekend they got that case for £28.00!! on the today only page, also

512MB XFX 8800GT(AD) PCI-E 2.0 (x16), 1800MHz GDDR3, GPU 600MHz, 112 Cores, HDTV/2xDual Link DVI-I £99.88

on today only page get those items +Asus P5KPL iG31
+4GB (2x2GB) Corsair TwinX XMS2, DDR2 PC2-6400 (800)
+Pioneer DVR-215DBK 20x DVD±R
+ Intel Core 2 Duo, E8400, Wolfdale Core
get the rest from ebuyer and save bout £50.00
#28
Its really for next month, im just trying to get a really nice PC lined up ready, tht GFX card is a little too much, £145 seems pricey
#29
maddogb
budget brands i've found to be good are sapphire and xfx


Budget brands..? XFX and Sapphire. BFG also you consider a budget brand?

I think you should do some research about graphics card resellers before you post about budget brands. XFX is probably one of the leading brand names for Nvidia cards and should definitely not be considered a budget brand. Same goes for EVGA, BFG - Sapphire are considered one of the leading resellers of ATi cards along with HIS.

The cards are all usually the same. The only things that change on the cards are; pre-overclocked settings, different coolers and possibly different BIOS settings. The after-sale support is also different from reseller to reseller.


maddogb
Problem is the cheapie brands are fine when fitted but come windows or driver updates then problems rise.


Sorry? What are you talking about.

If you need drivers for an Nvidia card you go to: http://www.nvidia.com/page/drivers.html
If you need drivers for an ATI/AMD card you go to: http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html

As I stated earlier in this post, the cards are still Nvidia cards and should be used with Nvidias latest drivers. Same goes for ATI cards. Nvidia and ATi are the manufacturers, they support the drivers. BFG, XFX etc and so on are the resellers, and they support the warranty and any other general queries. The drivers found on websites such as XFX, EVGA etc are just Nvidia drivers from a different download location.

To the original poster. Go for one of the newly released ATi cards that have been mentioned by EndlessWaves. Although the 8800GT is good I believe it would be wiser to get the newest hardware around at the time of your purchase, and that would be an ATi card.

This is probably a better case; http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143854 - also you need to check your PSU. The one you listed their seems rather cheap for a 600W PSU and usually cheap PSUs are bad PSUs and can be very very troublesome.
#30
well phear i won't go into all the details but quite often cards aren't the same, many are made up with scant respect or understanding of reference designs as laid down by the chipset manufacturers
It is when you go for a driver based on the reference design that problems then arise.
ok xfx and sapphire may not be classic "budget" but i have given them due respect as the best of that league because they do stick to the ref a lot better than the rest, on components other than chipset and bios.

And "probably" a better case?, c'mon,
whilst I like antec I don't have experience of that particular model so can't comment however i use a c5 and have used many others it;s a top baby!
#31
Well it's a smaller version of their best selling case. I am pretty certain that it will be a better case for cooling over the centurion. Plus it's a fair bit cheaper.. Probably better.

I personally don't rate Coolermaster products. The only product I think they got right was the Stacker series. Other than that, most of their cases are not great, nor are their cooling devices.
#32
PhearFactor
Well it's a smaller version of their best selling case. I am pretty certain that it will be a better case for cooling over the centurion. Plus it's a fair bit cheaper.. Probably better.

I personally don't rate Coolermaster products. The only product I think they got right was the Stacker series. Other than that, most of their cases are not great, nor are their cooling devices.


So you have no experience of either case?, along with an admission CM do get it right sometimes,,not a great recommendation then?
Best selling doesn't mean anything other than "best selling" could still be carp, fords sell more than mercs!
and cheaper?, not using the scan price!,,,
#33
Guys pls dont argue in my thread lol

Im just wanting help building a pretty decent gaming PC

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