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Phones 4u auctions Viewing MONDAY 22nd Dec

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A friend worked there and shared this link to the auction house which is selling the phones4u stock etc http://www.johnpye.co.uk/project/online-auction-marchington-1/
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2y, 3m agoPosted 2 years, 3 months ago
A friend worked there and shared this link to the auction house
which is selling the phones4u stock etc http://www.johnpye.co.uk/project/online-auction-marchington-1/
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2y, 3m agoPosted 2 years, 3 months ago
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1 Like #1
Good find but dont forget the 40% combination of commision and vat added to the final bill
#2
There's so much stuff there! And some real bargains.

Shame they refuse to deliver.
#3
Eden0032
There's so much stuff there! And some real bargains.

Shame they refuse to deliver.

You do not have to be there in person though, you can ask somebody else (for example, a courier) to collect for you:

"We do not deliver, lots must be collected from the salerooms by bidders or their own couriers (eg. DHL)"
#4
varminty
Good find but dont forget the 40% combination of commision and vat added to the final bill

...+ 2.5% charge for payments by credit card.
#5
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Eden0032
There's so much stuff there! And some real bargains.

Shame they refuse to deliver.

You do not have to be there in person though, you can ask somebody else (for example, a courier) to collect for you:

"We do not deliver, lots must be collected from the salerooms by bidders or their own couriers (eg. DHL)"
Good point. Lets see how much a courier would charge!
#6
I could only see a bunch of headphones. and some screen protectors..good luck to those that try I would imagine it's going to get silly pricing now though as it's out to the general public. If people didn't tell the Internet they would stand a far better chance of getting some decent bargains. now it'll be greedy people with spare cash buying the stock to sell on ebay.
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lol it would be boring on here if we didnt share lol ,
#8
smp
A friend worked there and shared this link to the auction housewhich is selling the phones4u stock etc http://www.johnpye.co.uk/project/online-auction-marchington-1/

Has your friend found alternate employment, smp?

If not, perhaps he/she could offer to collect the goods on behalf of members (here) bidding for the lots & then charge for packaging & postage, plus a percentage or fixed fee for their time.

Given the fact that there are 2,111 lots (over 43 pages) to bid upon, he/she may be able to make it worth their while.
1 Like #9
So with the bid price there is an additional 40 percent that could be added, doesn't seem too cheap
#10
wakkaday
So with the bid price there is an additional 40 percent that could be added, doesn't seem too cheap


That will be added. And i dont think DHL will send thier lorries to collect a pair of headphones for you
#11
wakkaday
So with the bid price there is an additional 40 percent that could be added, doesn't seem too cheap
Say an item sells for £20, you would be charged £28. Then arrange courier. If the item is the HTC speakers (rrp £160), then its a bargain!
#12
And im just on Parcel2Go and it looks like delivery is around £10. So if you buy loads, it could be worth it.
#13
ant2d1
...And i dont think DHL will send thier lorries to collect a pair of headphones for you

No, but they would send a van if the auction house has packaged hundreds of items won by a local independent retailer looking to increase their stock for Christmas trade (via eBay, car boot sale, market stall, or elsewhere), or for Phones4u's previous (National) competitors to gain an increase in stock for the January sales.

[ http://www.dhl.co.uk/en/express/shipping/collection.html ]
#14
Exactly so 100s of vans turning up to collect fully packaged items with addresses already on ready to deliver?

Whos doing all that work?
Not the auction house. Theres 1000s of items.
#15
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ant2d1
...And i dont think DHL will send thier lorries to collect a pair of headphones for you

No, but they would send a van if the auction house has packaged hundreds of items won by a local independent retailer looking to increase their stock for Christmas trade (via eBay, car boot sale, market stall, or elsewhere), or for Phones4u's previous (National) competitors to gain an increase in stock for the January sales.

[ http://www.dhl.co.uk/en/express/shipping/collection.html ]


Your link leads to nower
#16
ant2d1
Your link leads to nower

Was he the guy that built an ark, & had a wife called Joan? ;)

https://aprofoundmysterydotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/noahs-ark-zoom.jpg
#17
ant2d1
Exactly so 100s of vans turning up to collect fully packaged items with addresses already on ready to deliver?

Whos doing all that work?
Not the auction house. Theres 1000s of items.

An influential bidder that had won many lots could arrange for packaging by a third party & collection by a courier.

The auction is not specifically for individuals wishing to buy one set of headphones; it is for a small number of bidders (probably VAT registered so that additional cost can be offset) to take many lots for re-distribution through their own trade networks.
#18
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ant2d1
Exactly so 100s of vans turning up to collect fully packaged items with addresses already on ready to deliver?

Whos doing all that work?
Not the auction house. Theres 1000s of items.

An influential bidder that had won many lots could arrange for packaging by a third party & collection by a courier.

The auction is not specifically for individuals wishing to buy one set of headphones; it is for a small number of bidders (probably VAT registered so that additional cost can be offset) to take many lots for re-distribution through their own trade networks.
But what is stopping an individual purchasing a set of headphones, and some screen protectors?
#19
Well if it's anything like the John Pye auctions at Nottingham nothing will go cheap anyway, so you won't be missing out if you can't go, a lot of stuff fetches over retail after comms due to bidding frenzy.
#20
Eden0032
But what is stopping an individual purchasing a set of headphones, and some screen protectors?

Nothing, if they wish to arrange for a courier & for the items to be packaged in advance of collection.
1 Like #21
masterbrown
Well if it's anything like the John Pye auctions at Nottingham nothing will go cheap anyway, so you won't be missing out if you can't go, a lot of stuff fetches over retail after comms due to bidding frenzy.

Any disgruntled ex-employees could just stand in the auction room & artificially bid-up the final prices, if they wished, too.
#22
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ant2d1
Your link leads to nower

Was he the guy that built an ark, & had a wife called Joan? ;)

https://aprofoundmysterydotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/noahs-ark-zoom.jpg


I just got that. Not funny in the slightest
#23
ant2d1
I just got that. Not funny in the slightest

You're welcome.
#24
I've been using John Pye for ages, had some great bargains, to the Nottingham one my courier charges £20 to the Marchington one just £10 but I'm fairly close to both locations really. They don't package them as such they stick them in a bag or just stick a label on and you give the courier a reference number to collect from whichever warehouse. but you have to email the saleroom to confirm courier collection before just sending them. Some stuff is pretty battered looking as it's all old stock or returns. so it's a gamble.
#25
Ok so its possible but it will be a hassle to sort out. plus could be pricey. I will be collecting
#26
Unfortunately I live over 3 hours away so collection isn't possible! I'll have to see what prices are like on Tuesday.
#27
Anyone going down? I would pay you get my stuff if I order online.
How would the courier work because the stuff won't be wrapped up or nothing?
#28
MaJiiK
Anyone going down? I would pay you get my stuff if I order online.

Read the rest of the thread.

MaJiiK
How would the courier work because the stuff won't be wrapped up or nothing?

Read the rest of the thread.
#29
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MaJiiK
Anyone going down? I would pay you get my stuff if I order online.

Read the rest of the thread.

MaJiiK
How would the courier work because the stuff won't be wrapped up or nothing?

Read the rest of the thread.

So we need a packer elf :p
1 Like #30
MaJiiK
Anyone going down? I would pay you get my stuff if I order online.
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Read the rest of the thread.
MaJiiK
How would the courier work because the stuff won't be wrapped up or nothing?
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Read the rest of the thread.
MaJiiK
So we need a packer elf :p

Just don't bid on some fudge.

My suggestion:
[ http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/phones-4u-auction-2068033?p=23525756 ]
#31
I've bid on a few items to see how I get on. If I win any, I'll be making the trip myself to pick the items up. 140 mile round trip but, will probably cost as much in petrol (1.0 Litre ecoboost focus) as a delivery company would charge for collection
1 Like #32
anthonyt
I've bid on a few items to see how I get on. If I win any, I'll be making the trip myself to pick the items up. 140 mile round trip but, will probably cost as much in petrol (1.0 Litre ecoboost focus) as a delivery company would charge for collection

^ Well volunteered.

You may have to fold the rear seats down in your Focus to accommodate everybody else's items.
#33
Pretty poor TBH. Once you take in the fact the you can pick up these items for about 50-60% of RRP from Amazon,Ebay etc, it will not take much bidding up with the 40% charge on top

"If you buy goods from a private seller, an auction or from outside the UK, you may not always get a guarantee with the goods"

The auction house are sold as seen you may not get a guarantee

Most retailers will have already taken the good stuff and this is the rubbish they will not touch
#34
newbie1001
...Most retailers will have already taken the good stuff and this is the rubbish they will not touch

Which ones took what?
1 Like #35
There is usually vat to pay on the buyer's premium (vat on the service ie 20% of 20%) as well as the goods (as they are business assets) so that would be worth checking in advance as it doesnt make it clear whether the buyers premium is inclusive or not. If so, then its actually 44% on top of final bid price (assuming the individuals here are not vat registered).
#36
markq
There is usually vat to pay on the buyer's premium (vat on the service ie 20% of 20%) as well as the goods (as they are business assets) so that would be worth checking in advance as it doesnt make it clear whether the buyers premium is inclusive or not. If so, then its actually 44% on top of final bid price (assuming the individuals here are not vat registered).

[ http://www.auction-solutions.co.uk/auction_details.asp?saleid=1514&siteid=1 ]

As mentioned in comments #1 & #4:

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Notice To Purchasers

Full Payment Deadline: 04/12/2014
Collections / Removals By: 04/12/2014
Buyers Premium: 20%
VAT: 20%
Payment Methods: Payment by Debit/Credit Card (On-Site or On-line), Cash or Bank Transfer (NB: 2.5% charge for payments by credit card)
---
#37
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markq
There is usually vat to pay on the buyer's premium (vat on the service ie 20% of 20%) as well as the goods (as they are business assets) so that would be worth checking in advance as it doesnt make it clear whether the buyers premium is inclusive or not. If so, then its actually 44% on top of final bid price (assuming the individuals here are not vat registered).

[ http://www.auction-solutions.co.uk/auction_details.asp?saleid=1514&siteid=1 ]

As mentioned in comments #1 & #4:

---
Notice To Purchasers

Full Payment Deadline: 04/12/2014
Collections / Removals By: 04/12/2014
Buyers Premium: 20%
VAT: 20%
Payment Methods: Payment by Debit/Credit Card (On-Site or On-line), Cash or Bank Transfer (NB: 2.5% charge for payments by credit card)
---

Yes I was aware of both comments and the link with what I consider to be ambiguous information.

The goods are being sold on behalf of a business therefore incurring 20% vat on the sale price.

There is also a 20% buyer's premium. VAT is also payable on a buyer's premium as it is a service performed by the auction house and therefore subject to vat. They havent stated whether that fee is inclusive or exclusive of the VAT on the fee part.

For it to be inclusive, the Buyer's premium would have to be 16.67% plus vat bringing it to the 20%. A very unusual buyer's premium. More likely, is that it is 20% plus vat making it 24%.

From my experience, most charge 15 or 17.5% plus vat. This one seems to charge neither.

So in fact, if the buyers premium is exclusive of vat, then posts 1 and 4 are incorrect. As there would be 44% to add to the final bid as I already explained.

I can assure you vat is payable on both the goods, and the service. It is just unclear whether the buyers premium has included it already.

Edit: See this section in their terms.....6.9 JOHN PYE & SONS will charge a “Buyer Premium” on all Lots on the purchase price of the Lot plus VAT. The Buyer Premium will be set out in the Important Notes, and will be a percentage of the Hammer Price which will be charged to the Buyer.

GENERAL AUCTION TERMS AND CONDITIONS

As I said, its 20% vat on the goods (as they are disposal of business assets by a vat registered company). Also a 20% buyers premium, and in addition to this vat on the buyers premium, the extra 4%. So in this instance 44%. If the goods had been personal disposal of assets, the fees would have simply been 24% (buyers premium +vat).

That is how I (correctly) explained earlier.


Edited By: markq on Dec 01, 2014 01:58: Additional info
#38
markq
...I can assure you vat is payable on both the goods, and the service. It is just unclear whether the buyers premium has included it already.

It would depend if this was a public auction, or a trade auction, I would imagine.

It seems to be the former, but you are right that this needs to be established in advance (of travelling to the venue for the auction).

I think we have already established that anybody wishing to buy a cheap pair of headphones for personal use is probably not going to find such an item much cheaper than buying elsewhere (possibly with an alternate source offering a guarantee & exchange/refunds policy in the event of failure of the unit).

Those of us that are V.A.T registered would also not be making a great amount on buying individual units, but would have to effectively price-out all other sources with a ridiculously stupid high bid to secure the lots &/or deter casual bidders on the day.
#39
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markq
...I can assure you vat is payable on both the goods, and the service. It is just unclear whether the buyers premium has included it already.

It would depend if this was a public auction, or a trade auction, I would imagine.

It seems to be the former, but you are right that this needs to be established in advance (of travelling to the venue for the auction).

I think we have already established that anybody wishing to buy a cheap pair of headphones for personal use is probably not going to find such an item much cheaper than buying elsewhere (possibly with an alternate source offering a guarantee & exchange/refunds policy in the event of failure of the unit).

Those of us that are V.A.T registered would also not be making a great amount on buying individual units, but would have to effectively price-out all other sources with a ridiculously stupid high bid to secure the lots &/or deter casual bidders on the day.

Sorry to disagree with you fp but no it wouldnt depend on if it were a general or trade auction. It only depends on where the goods are sourced. Both vat registered and non-vat registered buyers would have to pay the vat. The vat registered buyers then re-claim the vat.

Its 44% on top of sale price, I have many years experience buying vat-incurring auction goods.
#40
Why the heck has this now (after being within the "Misc" Forum for nearly 18 hours) been moved to the "Ask" Forum?

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