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Please sign this petition - End the Fit For Work tests as not fit for purpose, and investigate 9,580 deaths.

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https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/170364/ The DWPs 'Fit For Work' tests are not fit for purpose, and are routinely abused to cause stress and harm to vulnerable people. From Dec 2011 to F…
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3m, 3w agoPosted 3 months, 3 weeks ago
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/170364/

The DWPs 'Fit For Work' tests are not fit for purpose, and are routinely abused to cause stress and harm to vulnerable people.

From Dec 2011 to Feb 2014, 2,380 people died shortly after being declared 'fit for work' and having their benefits stopped. I call on the House to hear their stories.

In the same period, 9,200 people in receipt of ESA were found 'fit to work in future' and died shortly afterwards. These statistics are from a Freedom Of Information request to the DWP.

I call on the House to hear their stories, and to abolish this test. To allow GPs opinions to override that of a 'decision maker' with no medical qualifications. And to investigate how 2,380 people were declared fit enough to work and financially penalised, when they were not fit enough to live, let alone work.
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An absolute scandal. Yes ok I accept that years ago the system was much abused but that is no longer the case. The fact that genuine and needy claimants are being turned down for benefits they rightfully are entitled to is absurd. Some of the cases I have seen highlighted were shocking.
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As a disabled Army veteran of 20 years I was truly shocked at this governments treatment of the genuinely disabled. Their propaganda spin machine via the media turned the country against the disabled. Amazingly when this was at its peak only 2% of the loss was caused by abuse to the system and a whopping 15% loss caused by overpayments and losses by the DWP.

There is never any mention of the tens of millions lost purchasing computer systems that did not work, there are many many other such facts if people only look past the crap that was spouted at the time. Many people have committed suicide at the mere thought of undergoing this degrading process, many people some with only a month or two to live have been declared fit to work.

The coroner when investigating a death has held the DWP accountable for many such deaths and the they in turn ignore him.

It is shocking the amount of forms that I have to fill in, including the ESA one that all repeat the same information. After this is done you live in fear of the brown envelope arriving with the result and hopefully a relative. I suffer with significant mental and physical disabilities, that stop me from working all caused by my Army service.
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Having direct experience of ESA assessment I totally agree that changes need to be made. I too had been made fit for work when clearly the medical proof was that I was incapable of working. Yes there are lazy ass benefit claimants who have never done a days work in their life with 4 kids in a broken relationship and others just using the system.

I'll just add this before continuing my comment - years ago whilst at a Job Centre seminar for people on long term ESA/PIP at the end of the seminar they asked "Any questions" the man next but one to me said "Why have you got me here? I've been diagnosed with terminal illness!" Their reply "Well we can still offer you re-training"

I agree that the Benefits Agency need to do more to get those skiving lazy good for nothing claimants off their books but disagree with the current process. the agencies involved have no medical practitioner knowledge/experience - you are lucky if the assessment person has any medical expertise. They have no direct contact with your GP or consultant and only make their assessment based on what they see at th time and the answers you give.

And if you are blind and in a wheelchair (you've only got one leg) but carrying an oxygen tank for breathing so long as you can lift your arm and wave your hand you are fit for work... << yes it sounds unrealistic, unbelievable but is it really?

The wrong people are being assessed - each time I have been to assessments I have seen others waiting for appointments only 1 out of the many would I deem/question fit for work. Only the innocent (real claimants) turn up to these (or arrange home visits) those that are sciving lazy ass good for nothing will find any excuse not to turn up.
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ims2912
While I agree that tests for benefits should be accurate, approached sympathetically and applied consistently I also accept that we're living in the real world. I absolutely agree that there are major improvements that can and should be made and that this should be addressed urgently. However, the other reality is that such benefits cost the tax payer massive amounts of money, much of which going to people of questionable need that could be used to make the lives of the truly needy better or be used for other things. My wife has a severe disability and she does get appropriate support (albeit significantly less than others I know) but I'm very aware of the large proportion of people who are taking the p*** out of the system by basically defrauding it and giving themselves a very cushy number on the backs of genuine claimants. We should of course be talking about - and helping- those people that need support and not concentrating on the (sadly) large number of fraudsters but it's because of those people that the budget is so stretched and frankly without safeguards it will be easier for the undeserving to hide behind a smokescreen and the floodgates would open even more. It's sad in the same way that some of the ridiculous knee-jerk reactions to things like banning fireworks displays, not being allowed to throw mortar boards in the air, discouraging kids from running in playgrounds etc etc etc are only in place because of fraudsters who will put in claims at the drop of a hat (that's if dropping hats hasn't been banned already on health and safety grounds, not to mention smokescreens and floodgates, which are even more dangerous).
I absolutely support improvements in the system but to be honest if my wife has to be assessed every year or six months to determine whether there's a genuine need then neither of us have a problem with that.
It's too easy just to say 'scrap everything' without fully considering the consequences.
https://syesworldview.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/image38.jpg
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This man should be on trial for murder
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10 Likes #1
An absolute scandal. Yes ok I accept that years ago the system was much abused but that is no longer the case. The fact that genuine and needy claimants are being turned down for benefits they rightfully are entitled to is absurd. Some of the cases I have seen highlighted were shocking.
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Scrap the benefits system and start again, too complex and those who need the money don't get it, whilst the criminal, lazy and feckless abuse it.
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It most definitely is Johnny and the main stream media are completely ignoring it......

Here is an interesting quiz which separates fact from fiction

Benefits Britain: can you separate fact from fiction?

https://www.theguardian.com/careers/2016/oct/28/benefits-britain-can-you-separate-fact-from-fiction-quiz

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dave when you say the criminal, lazy and feckless abuse it are you meaning the private contractors like Atos and Maximus who are carrying out the assessments and wrongly determining that genuinely sick and disabled people are "fit for Work" and they are being paid millions of pounds for doing it! if so I agree with you wholeheartedly.
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Would be pretty quick to check the death certificates of these people, 2380 should be done in a week or two.
I would hazard a guess and state that not one died due to govt policy.
#6
greyfergie
dave when you say the criminal, lazy and feckless abuse it are you meaning the private contractors like Atos and Maximus who are carrying out the assessments and wrongly determining that genuinely sick and disabled people are "fit for Work" and they are being paid millions of pounds for doing it! if so I agree with you wholeheartedly.
No, I meant those claimants who are unethically or criminally abusing the system, benefits system is too generous and too mean depending on the claimant, it is too unwieldy and unfair to fix, it needs a re-write.
Atos and Maximus should not be involved but they work in line with the contract they agreed with the government.
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As a disabled Army veteran of 20 years I was truly shocked at this governments treatment of the genuinely disabled. Their propaganda spin machine via the media turned the country against the disabled. Amazingly when this was at its peak only 2% of the loss was caused by abuse to the system and a whopping 15% loss caused by overpayments and losses by the DWP.

There is never any mention of the tens of millions lost purchasing computer systems that did not work, there are many many other such facts if people only look past the crap that was spouted at the time. Many people have committed suicide at the mere thought of undergoing this degrading process, many people some with only a month or two to live have been declared fit to work.

The coroner when investigating a death has held the DWP accountable for many such deaths and the they in turn ignore him.

It is shocking the amount of forms that I have to fill in, including the ESA one that all repeat the same information. After this is done you live in fear of the brown envelope arriving with the result and hopefully a relative. I suffer with significant mental and physical disabilities, that stop me from working all caused by my Army service.
#8
DKLS
Would be pretty quick to check the death certificates of these people, 2380 should be done in a week or two.
I would hazard a guess and state that not one died due to govt policy.

http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/coroners-ground-breaking-verdict-suicide-was-triggered-by-fit-for-work-test/
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Signed x
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stephenturner1817
As a disabled Army veteran of 20 years I was truly shocked at this governments treatment of the genuinely disabled. Their propaganda spin machine via the media turned the country against the disabled. Amazingly when this was at its peak only 2% of the loss was caused by abuse to the system and a whopping 15% loss caused by overpayments and losses by the DWP.

There is never any mention of the tens of millions lost purchasing computer systems that did not work, there are many many other such facts if people only look past the crap that was spouted at the time. Many people have committed suicide at the mere thought of undergoing this degrading process, many people some with only a month or two to live have been declared fit to work.

The coroner when investigating a death has held the DWP accountable for many such deaths and the they in turn ignore him.

It is shocking the amount of forms that I have to fill in, including the ESA one that all repeat the same information. After this is done you live in fear of the brown envelope arriving with the result and hopefully a relative. I suffer with significant mental and physical disabilities, that stop me from working all caused by my Army service.

Thanks for your comments Stephen (and your service) unfortunately everything you say is absolutely correct and the media blackout on this is an absolute disgrace.

The ESA assessment process is not a genuine test to assess disability it is a test which is designed to make you fail so as to save the Government more money and it needs scrapped.

With the recent release of I Daniel Blake (which I have not yet seen) but from what I have heard it appears to be a real portrayal of the "system" and how it is letting down the most vulnerable in our society and i do hope that it will open the eyes of the many who think otherwise or have no idea how bad things really are.

We must fight on and try and make our voices heard in any way/platform we can.
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nightscentedstock
Signed x

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#12
An interesting article which shows the levels the DWP will go to -

Documents the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) tried to keep hidden for more than a year have revealed some of the tactics civil servants have used to manipulate media coverage on welfare reform.

http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/dwp-forced-to-release-reports-revealing-its-secret-thoughts-on-the-media/
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Just signed
#14
More rights for the disabled as far as i'm concerned
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gpawan
Just signed

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#16
While I agree that tests for benefits should be accurate, approached sympathetically and applied consistently I also accept that we're living in the real world. I absolutely agree that there are major improvements that can and should be made and that this should be addressed urgently. However, the other reality is that such benefits cost the tax payer massive amounts of money, much of which going to people of questionable need that could be used to make the lives of the truly needy better or be used for other things. My wife has a severe disability and she does get appropriate support (albeit significantly less than others I know) but I'm very aware of the large proportion of people who are taking the p*** out of the system by basically defrauding it and giving themselves a very cushy number on the backs of genuine claimants. We should of course be talking about - and helping- those people that need support and not concentrating on the (sadly) large number of fraudsters but it's because of those people that the budget is so stretched and frankly without safeguards it will be easier for the undeserving to hide behind a smokescreen and the floodgates would open even more. It's sad in the same way that some of the ridiculous knee-jerk reactions to things like banning fireworks displays, not being allowed to throw mortar boards in the air, discouraging kids from running in playgrounds etc etc etc are only in place because of fraudsters who will put in claims at the drop of a hat (that's if dropping hats hasn't been banned already on health and safety grounds, not to mention smokescreens and floodgates, which are even more dangerous).

I absolutely support improvements in the system but to be honest if my wife has to be assessed every year or six months to determine whether there's a genuine need then neither of us have a problem with that.

It's too easy just to say 'scrap everything' without fully considering the consequences.
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I have absolutely no problem with supporting people who are genuinely in need of the help,like stephenturner1817. What does make my blood boil are people in mobility scooters, who sit all day & stuff cakes & chips down their necks. Yes they probably tick all the right boxes, they can't walk,can't dress themselves & can't toilet without help. But who's to blame for that?
I put on 3 stone not so long back, i didn't spend every waking hour in the gym or anything, i just stopped eating the crap & hey presto i was thin again. :|
Not saying everyone who is overweight & can't walk can do something about it. But a good many could help themselves a little bit imo.
Then you get people who are terminally ill, who have worked all their lives & aren't entitled to a penny. The systems flawed.

Edited By: OldEnglish on Nov 02, 2016 11:16: ..
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greyfergie
DKLS
Would be pretty quick to check the death certificates of these people, 2380 should be done in a week or two.
I would hazard a guess and state that not one died due to govt policy.
http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/coroners-ground-breaking-verdict-suicide-was-triggered-by-fit-for-work-test/

" Mr A had had anxiety and depression and had been claiming disability-related income support for more than 10 years." All too easy to blame govt policy, If you delved under the surface of this its more complex, it always is with suicidality.
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DKLS
greyfergie
DKLS
Would be pretty quick to check the death certificates of these people, 2380 should be done in a week or two.
I would hazard a guess and state that not one died due to govt policy.
http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/coroners-ground-breaking-verdict-suicide-was-triggered-by-fit-for-work-test/
" Mr A had had anxiety and depression and had been claiming disability-related income support for more than 10 years." All too easy to blame govt policy, If you delved under the surface of this its more complex, it always is with suicidality.

I am not going to continue this discussion with you as there is nothing to be gained from it, you are entitled to your opinion which i respect however in this case my opinion is that the fully trained and qualified Coroner has said that

"a disabled man killed himself as a direct result of being found “fit for work”.

So if you think what he has said is wrong, again that is your your opinion however I will respectfully disagree.

Edited By: greyfergie on Nov 02, 2016 11:26
1 Like #20
OldEnglish
I have absolutely no problem with supporting people who are genuinely in need of the help,like stephenturner1817. What does make my blood boil are people in mobility scooters, who sit all day & stuff cakes & chips down their necks. Yes they probably tick all the right boxes, they can't walk,can't dress themselves & can't toilet without help. But who's to blame for that?
I put on 3 stone not so long back, i didn't spend every waking hour in the gym or anything, i just stopped eating the crap & hey presto i was thin again. :|
Not saying everyone who is overweight & can't walk can do something about it. But a good many could help themselves a little bit imo.
Then you get people who are terminally ill, who have worked all their lives & aren't entitled to a penny. The systems flawed.

I wonder if you have been watching to much of Channel 4's Benefit street as your opinions seem somewhat consistent with it rather as what is really happening to the majority of the most vulnerable, sick and disabled people in our society, unfortunately however the mainstream media will not show you so many tv shows about the very real hardship suffered by many.
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ims2912
While I agree that tests for benefits should be accurate, approached sympathetically and applied consistently I also accept that we're living in the real world. I absolutely agree that there are major improvements that can and should be made and that this should be addressed urgently. However, the other reality is that such benefits cost the tax payer massive amounts of money, much of which going to people of questionable need that could be used to make the lives of the truly needy better or be used for other things. My wife has a severe disability and she does get appropriate support (albeit significantly less than others I know) but I'm very aware of the large proportion of people who are taking the p*** out of the system by basically defrauding it and giving themselves a very cushy number on the backs of genuine claimants. We should of course be talking about - and helping- those people that need support and not concentrating on the (sadly) large number of fraudsters but it's because of those people that the budget is so stretched and frankly without safeguards it will be easier for the undeserving to hide behind a smokescreen and the floodgates would open even more. It's sad in the same way that some of the ridiculous knee-jerk reactions to things like banning fireworks displays, not being allowed to throw mortar boards in the air, discouraging kids from running in playgrounds etc etc etc are only in place because of fraudsters who will put in claims at the drop of a hat (that's if dropping hats hasn't been banned already on health and safety grounds, not to mention smokescreens and floodgates, which are even more dangerous).
I absolutely support improvements in the system but to be honest if my wife has to be assessed every year or six months to determine whether there's a genuine need then neither of us have a problem with that.
It's too easy just to say 'scrap everything' without fully considering the consequences.
https://syesworldview.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/image38.jpg
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greyfergie
ims2912
While I agree that tests for benefits should be accurate, approached sympathetically and applied consistently I also accept that we're living in the real world. I absolutely agree that there are major improvements that can and should be made and that this should be addressed urgently. However, the other reality is that such benefits cost the tax payer massive amounts of money, much of which going to people of questionable need that could be used to make the lives of the truly needy better or be used for other things. My wife has a severe disability and she does get appropriate support (albeit significantly less than others I know) but I'm very aware of the large proportion of people who are taking the p*** out of the system by basically defrauding it and giving themselves a very cushy number on the backs of genuine claimants. We should of course be talking about - and helping- those people that need support and not concentrating on the (sadly) large number of fraudsters but it's because of those people that the budget is so stretched and frankly without safeguards it will be easier for the undeserving to hide behind a smokescreen and the floodgates would open even more. It's sad in the same way that some of the ridiculous knee-jerk reactions to things like banning fireworks displays, not being allowed to throw mortar boards in the air, discouraging kids from running in playgrounds etc etc etc are only in place because of fraudsters who will put in claims at the drop of a hat (that's if dropping hats hasn't been banned already on health and safety grounds, not to mention smokescreens and floodgates, which are even more dangerous).
I absolutely support improvements in the system but to be honest if my wife has to be assessed every year or six months to determine whether there's a genuine need then neither of us have a problem with that.
It's too easy just to say 'scrap everything' without fully considering the consequences.
https://syesworldview.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/image38.jpg

BOTH. Just because there's an elephant in the room it doesn't mean you should completely ignore the hippo! Doh!
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greyfergie
OldEnglish
I have absolutely no problem with supporting people who are genuinely in need of the help,like stephenturner1817. What does make my blood boil are people in mobility scooters, who sit all day & stuff cakes & chips down their necks. Yes they probably tick all the right boxes, they can't walk,can't dress themselves & can't toilet without help. But who's to blame for that?
I put on 3 stone not so long back, i didn't spend every waking hour in the gym or anything, i just stopped eating the crap & hey presto i was thin again. :|
Not saying everyone who is overweight & can't walk can do something about it. But a good many could help themselves a little bit imo.
Then you get people who are terminally ill, who have worked all their lives & aren't entitled to a penny. The systems flawed.
I wonder if you have been watching to much of Channel 4's Benefit street as your opinions seem somewhat consistent with it rather as what is really happening to the majority of the most vulnerable, sick and disabled people in our society, unfortunately however the mainstream media will not show you so many tv shows about the very real hardship suffered by many.
And then there are the disabled and ill ones out there who do actually work for a living because they want a better lifestyle, they aren't treated like heroes, just have the will and determination. I salute those ones and I know first hand about it.
#24
greyfergie
OldEnglish
I have absolutely no problem with supporting people who are genuinely in need of the help,like stephenturner1817. What does make my blood boil are people in mobility scooters, who sit all day & stuff cakes & chips down their necks. Yes they probably tick all the right boxes, they can't walk,can't dress themselves & can't toilet without help. But who's to blame for that?
I put on 3 stone not so long back, i didn't spend every waking hour in the gym or anything, i just stopped eating the crap & hey presto i was thin again. :|
Not saying everyone who is overweight & can't walk can do something about it. But a good many could help themselves a little bit imo.
Then you get people who are terminally ill, who have worked all their lives & aren't entitled to a penny. The systems flawed.
I wonder if you have been watching to much of Channel 4's Benefit street as your opinions seem somewhat consistent with it rather as what is really happening to the majority of the most vulnerable, sick and disabled people in our society, unfortunately however the mainstream media will not show you so many tv shows about the very real hardship suffered by many.
I hope my comment didn't offend you at all. All i was saying is their a good many people who abuse the system & don't take control of their own lifestyle choices, like obese people,drug addicts, alcoholics. I have no problem at all, with the help going to the most vulnerable & in need of it. That's what the system was designed for in the first place. Unfortunately there are a lot of scammers & people who don't want to help themselves & it makes it more difficult for those that really do need the help. Thank's.
3 Likes #25
airfix
greyfergie
OldEnglish
I have absolutely no problem with supporting people who are genuinely in need of the help,like stephenturner1817. What does make my blood boil are people in mobility scooters, who sit all day & stuff cakes & chips down their necks. Yes they probably tick all the right boxes, they can't walk,can't dress themselves & can't toilet without help. But who's to blame for that?
I put on 3 stone not so long back, i didn't spend every waking hour in the gym or anything, i just stopped eating the crap & hey presto i was thin again. :|
Not saying everyone who is overweight & can't walk can do something about it. But a good many could help themselves a little bit imo.
Then you get people who are terminally ill, who have worked all their lives & aren't entitled to a penny. The systems flawed.
I wonder if you have been watching to much of Channel 4's Benefit street as your opinions seem somewhat consistent with it rather as what is really happening to the majority of the most vulnerable, sick and disabled people in our society, unfortunately however the mainstream media will not show you so many tv shows about the very real hardship suffered by many.
And then there are the disabled and ill ones out there who do actually work for a living because they want a better lifestyle, they aren't treated like heroes, just have the will and determination. I salute those ones and I know first hand about it.
You know why airfix? It's Pride mate & unfortunately there are a good many that don't have any these days. :)
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Signed! X
#27
greyfergie
ims2912
While I agree that tests for benefits should be accurate, approached sympathetically and applied consistently I also accept that we're living in the real world. I absolutely agree that there are major improvements that can and should be made and that this should be addressed urgently. However, the other reality is that such benefits cost the tax payer massive amounts of money, much of which going to people of questionable need that could be used to make the lives of the truly needy better or be used for other things. My wife has a severe disability and she does get appropriate support (albeit significantly less than others I know) but I'm very aware of the large proportion of people who are taking the p*** out of the system by basically defrauding it and giving themselves a very cushy number on the backs of genuine claimants. We should of course be talking about - and helping- those people that need support and not concentrating on the (sadly) large number of fraudsters but it's because of those people that the budget is so stretched and frankly without safeguards it will be easier for the undeserving to hide behind a smokescreen and the floodgates would open even more. It's sad in the same way that some of the ridiculous knee-jerk reactions to things like banning fireworks displays, not being allowed to throw mortar boards in the air, discouraging kids from running in playgrounds etc etc etc are only in place because of fraudsters who will put in claims at the drop of a hat (that's if dropping hats hasn't been banned already on health and safety grounds, not to mention smokescreens and floodgates, which are even more dangerous).
I absolutely support improvements in the system but to be honest if my wife has to be assessed every year or six months to determine whether there's a genuine need then neither of us have a problem with that.
It's too easy just to say 'scrap everything' without fully considering the consequences.
https://syesworldview.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/image38.jpg
Which one would you focus on? Answer is simple:-
1/ If just one person employed in the whole government , the no brainer answer is focus on the biggest £120B, BUT BUT BUT,
2/ If there are 1,000 leaders, chieftains, captains, CEOs, directors employed in government, then no brainer answer is focus on ALL of them otherwise what is the point of employing the other 999?!

Edited By: splender on Nov 02, 2016 13:20
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greyfergie
ims2912
While I agree that tests for benefits should be accurate, approached sympathetically and applied consistently I also accept that we're living in the real world. I absolutely agree that there are major improvements that can and should be made and that this should be addressed urgently. However, the other reality is that such benefits cost the tax payer massive amounts of money, much of which going to people of questionable need that could be used to make the lives of the truly needy better or be used for other things. My wife has a severe disability and she does get appropriate support (albeit significantly less than others I know) but I'm very aware of the large proportion of people who are taking the p*** out of the system by basically defrauding it and giving themselves a very cushy number on the backs of genuine claimants. We should of course be talking about - and helping- those people that need support and not concentrating on the (sadly) large number of fraudsters but it's because of those people that the budget is so stretched and frankly without safeguards it will be easier for the undeserving to hide behind a smokescreen and the floodgates would open even more. It's sad in the same way that some of the ridiculous knee-jerk reactions to things like banning fireworks displays, not being allowed to throw mortar boards in the air, discouraging kids from running in playgrounds etc etc etc are only in place because of fraudsters who will put in claims at the drop of a hat (that's if dropping hats hasn't been banned already on health and safety grounds, not to mention smokescreens and floodgates, which are even more dangerous).
I absolutely support improvements in the system but to be honest if my wife has to be assessed every year or six months to determine whether there's a genuine need then neither of us have a problem with that.
It's too easy just to say 'scrap everything' without fully considering the consequences.
https://syesworldview.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/image38.jpg
If I were a politician (and, let's face it, they are the ones who make these decisions), I would focus on the one that was likely to win me most votes and not upset the people who provide me with financial support. That would be either benefit overpayments or benefit fraud.
#30
greyfergie
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/170364/
The DWPs 'Fit For Work' tests are not fit for purpose, and are routinely abused to cause stress and harm to vulnerable people.
From Dec 2011 to Feb 2014, 2,380 people died shortly after being declared 'fit for work' and having their benefits stopped. I call on the House to hear their stories.
In the same period, 9,200 people in receipt of ESA were found 'fit to work in future' and died shortly afterwards. These statistics are from a Freedom Of Information request to the DWP.
I call on the House to hear their stories, and to abolish this test. To allow GPs opinions to override that of a 'decision maker' with no medical qualifications. And to investigate how 2,380 people were declared fit enough to work and financially penalised, when they were not fit enough to live, let alone work.
The (government) link to Freedom of Information with these numbers cut and pasted.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/mortality-statistics-esa-ib-and-sda-claimants
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And its related Aug 2015 news https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/aug/27/thousands-died-after-fit-for-work-assessment-dwp-figures


Edited By: splender on Nov 02, 2016 13:38
#31
Its all to easy to think im slightly disabled im not going to work anymore.

So about 10,000 died after being said fit to work? how many died in same time period that were not said fit to work?
5 Likes #32
I did a lot of I.T work for one of these companies (Med**)..
They are total scum, I remember seeing lists of roughly 80% of people going to these clinics and being rejected just so they could make their fees.
The funny thing was if people had their assessment reviewed roughly the same percentage were put back on ESA.
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Having direct experience of ESA assessment I totally agree that changes need to be made. I too had been made fit for work when clearly the medical proof was that I was incapable of working. Yes there are lazy ass benefit claimants who have never done a days work in their life with 4 kids in a broken relationship and others just using the system.

I'll just add this before continuing my comment - years ago whilst at a Job Centre seminar for people on long term ESA/PIP at the end of the seminar they asked "Any questions" the man next but one to me said "Why have you got me here? I've been diagnosed with terminal illness!" Their reply "Well we can still offer you re-training"

I agree that the Benefits Agency need to do more to get those skiving lazy good for nothing claimants off their books but disagree with the current process. the agencies involved have no medical practitioner knowledge/experience - you are lucky if the assessment person has any medical expertise. They have no direct contact with your GP or consultant and only make their assessment based on what they see at th time and the answers you give.

And if you are blind and in a wheelchair (you've only got one leg) but carrying an oxygen tank for breathing so long as you can lift your arm and wave your hand you are fit for work... << yes it sounds unrealistic, unbelievable but is it really?

The wrong people are being assessed - each time I have been to assessments I have seen others waiting for appointments only 1 out of the many would I deem/question fit for work. Only the innocent (real claimants) turn up to these (or arrange home visits) those that are sciving lazy ass good for nothing will find any excuse not to turn up.
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I agree I am going through an appeal at moment as husband deemed fit for work, I am his carer and he can't walk and other problems but I see people with nothing wrong with them getting all benefits and they are also working cash in hand, it makes me sick
#35
greyfergie
ims2912
While I agree that tests for benefits should be accurate, approached sympathetically and applied consistently I also accept that we're living in the real world. I absolutely agree that there are major improvements that can and should be made and that this should be addressed urgently. However, the other reality is that such benefits cost the tax payer massive amounts of money, much of which going to people of questionable need that could be used to make the lives of the truly needy better or be used for other things. My wife has a severe disability and she does get appropriate support (albeit significantly less than others I know) but I'm very aware of the large proportion of people who are taking the p*** out of the system by basically defrauding it and giving themselves a very cushy number on the backs of genuine claimants. We should of course be talking about - and helping- those people that need support and not concentrating on the (sadly) large number of fraudsters but it's because of those people that the budget is so stretched and frankly without safeguards it will be easier for the undeserving to hide behind a smokescreen and the floodgates would open even more. It's sad in the same way that some of the ridiculous knee-jerk reactions to things like banning fireworks displays, not being allowed to throw mortar boards in the air, discouraging kids from running in playgrounds etc etc etc are only in place because of fraudsters who will put in claims at the drop of a hat (that's if dropping hats hasn't been banned already on health and safety grounds, not to mention smokescreens and floodgates, which are even more dangerous).
I absolutely support improvements in the system but to be honest if my wife has to be assessed every year or six months to determine whether there's a genuine need then neither of us have a problem with that.
It's too easy just to say 'scrap everything' without fully considering the consequences.
https://syesworldview.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/image38.jpg
I would obviously focus on the ones saying (HMRC estimate) and (DWP estimate), and ignore the one saying (Tax Justice and PCS estimate).
#36
philphil61
And if you are blind and in a wheelchair (you've only got one leg) but carrying an oxygen tank for breathing so long as you can lift your arm and wave your hand you are fit for work... << yes it sounds unrealistic, unbelievable but is it really?
They're right though, if you can move your hand then you can do hand jobs.
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This man should be on trial for murder
http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/thepeoplesassembly/pages/1661/meta_images/original/ids_murderer.jpg?1442441406
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#39
greyfergie
DKLS
greyfergie
DKLS
Would be pretty quick to check the death certificates of these people, 2380 should be done in a week or two.
I would hazard a guess and state that not one died due to govt policy.
http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/coroners-ground-breaking-verdict-suicide-was-triggered-by-fit-for-work-test/
" Mr A had had anxiety and depression and had been claiming disability-related income support for more than 10 years." All too easy to blame govt policy, If you delved under the surface of this its more complex, it always is with suicidality.
I am not going to continue this discussion with you as there is nothing to be gained from it, you are entitled to your opinion which i respect however in this case my opinion is that the fully trained and qualified Coroner has said that
"a disabled man killed himself as a direct result of being found “fit for work”.
So if you think what he has said is wrong, again that is your your opinion however I will respectfully disagree.

I doubt the death certificate stated cause of death as "a disabled man killed himself as a direct result of being found “fit for work”.
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I have experienced this as a supporter for someone going to an assessment, and a family member who was terminal

The woman (59) had an oxygen tank with her and was in a wheelchair, she was assessed as fit for work, she was apparently able to do a job where she could sit.

I was confident we would win an appeal she refused to go through the degrading process, so she will count as one of the scroungers that arseos got off benifits.

Second was my sister in law. she was diagnosed with a terminal brain tumor, they accepted that she could no longer go back to teaching but could do some kind of work after retaining, she also refused to appeal, she also stopped claiming any benefit at all, she has many issues now as the tumor progresses, my brother has a very good job, so is able to pay for care when he is away, but he has no savings, no holidays or treats as all his money goes on his family including 3 kids, in b4 he gets child benefit, not now as the youngest is 19, this has left him a very bitter man

BTW his wife worked 22yrs b4 getting ill

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