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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7933990.stm Innocent officier shot in cold blood 3 in 2 days, needs to stop Read More
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banned8y, 4m agoPosted 8 years, 4 months ago
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7933990.stm

Innocent officier shot in cold blood

3 in 2 days, needs to stop
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banned8y, 4m agoPosted 8 years, 4 months ago
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#1
+1 majorly.
banned#2
Cant believe the IRA/Sin Fein think this is going anywhere

All its gonna do is bring back british troops to our streets in large numbers

Completely against what they are fighting for
[mod]#3
Bad old days.

I feel for the 99.999999% of good people in NI.
#4
I do not profess to being an expert on Irish affairs but my fear for the victims and innocent peace seeking people of ireland causes me to comment ;-

Persons in the political arena know or can find out the perpertraitors of these awful shootings.What is their agenda that they do not expose those responsible ?Bring them to account and show the world you truly support the peace process!
#5
Johnrulez
Cant believe the IRA/Sin Fein think this is going anywhere

All its gonna do is bring back british troops to our streets in large numbers

Completely against what they are fighting for


if you'd watch the news, or basically read anywhere you'd see that Sinn fein have condemed all of this, and furthermore asked the public to goto the police.

angers me when people group everyone together. terrible doing. condemned by most people.

get facts straight though.

this speaking from someone who can hear the police helicopter up above the murder scene.
#6
rkmayar
I do not profess to being an expert on Irish affairs but my fear for the victims and innocent peace seeking people of ireland causes me to comment ;-

Persons in the political arena know or can find out the perpertraitors of these awful shootings.What is their agenda that they do not expose those responsible ?Bring them to account and show the world you truly support the peace process!


the people who did this have no agenda, other than to bring down the peace process. they still think they can shoot/bomb the british out of ireland, which is just plain silly.
#7
this is terrible

and we've also had 2 bomb alerts tonight..one outside sinn fein offices so it shows its turning into war
#8
mcnally32
the people who did this have no agenda, other than to bring down the peace process. they still think they can shoot/bomb the british out of ireland, which is just plain silly.


Thanks yes i understand that,however,my point was what is the agenda of those in the know or are you saying that you believe there are people in the political arena who are prepared to commit such acts so that the process will fail?
#9
Johnrulez
Cant believe the IRA/Sin Fein think this is going anywhere

All its gonna do is bring back british troops to our streets in large numbers

Completely against what they are fighting for


Please recheck all your facts. The IRA are not involved, its the RIRA (Real Irish Republican Army) which is dissident group. Sinn Fein has no ties to the RIRA .

Please understand what you are typing as it could lead to misrepresentational hate.
banned#10
mcnally32
if you'd watch the news, or basically read anywhere you'd see that Sinn fein have condemed all of this, and furthermore asked the public to goto the police.

angers me when people group everyone together. terrible doing. condemned by most people.

get facts straight though.

this speaking from someone who can hear the police helicopter up above the murder scene.


I live 15 miles from Craigavon

Sinn Fein are guilty here
banned#11
cdemico
Please recheck all your facts. The IRA are not involved, its the RIRA (Real Irish Republican Army) which is dissident group. Sinn Fein has no ties to the RIRA .

Please understand what you are typing as it could lead to misrepresentational hate.


The IRA or Sinn Fein whatever you wana call them have links in the RIRA
banned#12
Cowards.
Pathetic, waste of an A-hole cowards.
The true heroes were the men they shot.
Especially the soldier who threw himself on the pizza man, now THAT'S heroism!
#13
rkmayar
I do not profess to being an expert on Irish affairs but my fear for the victims and innocent peace seeking people of ireland causes me to comment ;-

Persons in the political arena know or can find out the perpertraitors of these awful shootings.What is their agenda that they do not expose those responsible ?Bring them to account and show the world you truly support the peace process!


Interesting point. Can this be used on a bigger scale? e.g Isreal using illegal weaponary against 'terrorists'?
#14
Johnrulez
The IRA or Sinn Fein whatever you wana call them have links in the RIRA


The IRA disbanded in 1997. Members may have been in the IRA pre-1997 but they have dissidented to the RIRA. Please re-read the word 'dissident'.
And I don't doubt that Sinn Fein had ties to the IRA pre 1997.
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Johnrulez
I live 15 miles from Craigavon

Sinn Fein are guilty here


you are obviously one of the small minded people who don't want peace. And by that i mean cuz you're blaming people who genuinely aren't involved. My grandad was an RUC man, my uncles and cousins are RUC men. Sinn Fein didn't have anything to do with the shooting at the weekend or tonight. I think you and i both know that. I appreciate you don't like sinn fein, each to their own, but stop lying to yourself.
#16
cdemico
The IRA disbanded in 1997. Members may have been in the IRA pre-1997 but they have dissidented to the RIRA. Please re-read the word 'dissident'.
And I don't doubt that Sinn Fein had ties to the IRA pre 1997.


agreed
#17
cdemico
Interesting point. Can this be used on a bigger scale? e.g Isreal using illegal weaponary against 'terrorists'?

hmm a very different scenario .I dont quite see the analogy,also a question of perspective on who are the terrorists.I think this would be a whole new discussion for another time but i do agree that there are people within the political arena in Ireland that need to show their real standing and sincerety towards the process and this could be a huge step forward if approached correctly.The alternative is one the majority would not welcome .The peolple and media should beat the drum
before this escalates
#18
mcnally32
you are obviously one of the small minded people who don't want peace. And by that i mean cuz you're blaming people who genuinely aren't involved. My grandad was an RUC man, my uncles and cousins are RUC men. Sinn Fein didn't have anything to do with the shooting at the weekend or tonight. I think you and i both know that. I appreciate you don't like sinn fein, each to their own, but stop lying to yourself.


Unfortunantly this type of narrow minded thinking is still rampant in places. Usually people remember atrocities that have happened over 10 years ago. Especially with the older generations as they 'talk' to other people in the small communities and it forms a misrepresentation of todays society. Which inevitably means that it's not his own opinion when he/she says 'Sinn Feins guilty here' but a generalisation of what he/she is hearing.
#19
Johnrulez
The IRA or Sinn Fein whatever you wana call them have links in the RIRA


are you on the drink? the RIRA want to shoot gerry adams. he's considered a sell out by them. Stormount sinn fein they're called the RIRA and their supporters. If you genuinely live 15 miles from craigavon you either live underground or are a child. You clearly know nothing.
#20
cdemico
Unfortunantly this type of narrow minded thinking is still rampant in places. Usually people remember atrocities that have happened over 10 years ago. Especially with the older generations as they 'talk' to other people in the small communities and it forms a misrepresentation of todays society. Which inevitably means that it's not his own opinion when he/she says 'Sinn Feins guilty here' but a generalisation of what he/she is hearing.


have to agree with you there. hearsay.
#21
rkmayar
hmm a very different scenario .I dont quite see the analogy,also a question of perspective on who are the terrorists.I think this would be a whole new discussion for another time but i do agree that there are people within the political arena in Ireland that need to show their real standing and sincerety towards the process and this could be a huge step forward if approached correctly.The alternative is one the majority would not welcome .The peolple and media should beat the drum
before this escalates


I'm sure the political arena do show thier support. More so then other 'terrorist torn country'. in April 2005 Gerry Adams called for the IRA (Provisional IRA as the Official IRA disbanded in 1997) to lay down their weapons and they agreed. calling for its volunteers to use "exclusively peaceful means'

Also with the Peace process in 2007 and following the St Andrews Agreement, the Democratic Unionist Party and Sinn Féin formed a government in May 2007 which shows each standing and both parties do contribute to the Peace Process in their own ways.
#22
Craigavon is a Sinn Fein constituency, and the MP's condemned it.

it appears the people carrying out the attacks want the troops back, certainly can't be Sinn Fein.
#23
the events here are very similar to Iraq- which itself has similarities to 90's Ireland- where attacks are carried out spontaneously, leading to various groups (supposedly) claiming responsibility. it all leads to troops patrolling areas, and further trouble erupting.


these look like calculated attacks, many people think Britain is using these 'dissident' attacks as a way to take patrol again. what do the people of Norn Iron think ?
#24
myaser88
the events here are very similar to Iraq- which itself has similarities to 90's Ireland- where attacks are carried out spontaneously, leading to various groups (supposedly) claiming responsibility. it all leads to troops patrolling areas, and further trouble erupting.


these look like calculated attacks, many people think Britain is using these 'dissident' attacks as a way to take patrol again. what do the people of Norn Iron think ?


i don't think britain is using it to take control as they already have control. I think its extremist people on the republican side. I consider myself an irish republican but thats a very broad term. I consider myself political. I believe the war is over. I believe political is the only way to go. I think the RIRA think its a insult to fallen IRA members that sinn fein now sit in government with people who helped treat nationalists like **** for 30 years. However all of us have to forgive and forget certain things if we want to move on.

They want loyalists to hit back and then when that happens they'll gain more support for their means. they want a vicious cycle which fortunatly i don't think they'll get.
banned#25
mcnally32
are you on the drink? the RIRA want to shoot gerry adams. he's considered a sell out by them. Stormount sinn fein they're called the RIRA and their supporters. If you genuinely live 15 miles from craigavon you either live underground or are a child. You clearly know nothing.


Guessing from your simplistic thoughts that you are a sinn fein man

Disgusting
banned#26
myaser88
Craigavon is a Sinn Fein constituency, and the MP's condemned it.

it appears the people carrying out the attacks want the troops back, certainly can't be Sinn Fein.


whoever it is this needs to stop now
#27
Johnrulez
whoever it is this needs to stop now


Exactly. The politics of who is who and who is doing what take second place here. it needs to stop now.

bad bad old days :-(
#28
In this thread its clear to see from some that the old ,us against them, tit for tat, blame game mentality still exists in some parts of NI. The bottom line in all of this, regardless of who carried out the murders or who may or may not be associated to them, is that 3 people have been murdered in the last few days which is a worrying sign for the peace process here. One thing that I am certain of is that the vast majority of people in this country, whether Catholic or Protestant, will be fully against this type of attack.

I have already posted in another thread regarding the murder of the 2 soldiers that I am a Catholic/Nationalist from Derry and in my eyes the people who have carried out these attacks are nothing more than brain dead scum. They are intent on bringing down the peace process and won't be happy until we are all dragged back to the violence of the past.

I also posted previously that my main fear is that the British forces will be put back on our streets causing the violence to escalate. It was bad enough the first time around and as a parent with a young son, I just hope and pray that he does not have to grow up and witness some of the sights that I witnessed when I was growing up during the troubles .

IMO Northern Ireland is on standing the brink and the sooner we can pull back from it the better for all people here.
#29
mcnally32
i don't think britain is using it to take control as they already have control. I think its extremist people on the republican side. I consider myself an irish republican but thats a very broad term. I consider myself political. I believe the war is over. I believe political is the only way to go. I think the RIRA think its a insult to fallen IRA members that sinn fein now sit in government with people who helped treat nationalists like **** for 30 years. However all of us have to forgive and forget certain things if we want to move on.

They want loyalists to hit back and then when that happens they'll gain more support for their means. they want a vicious cycle which fortunatly i don't think they'll get.



you consider yourself an irish republican - that in itself is the problem.
Why cant you just be a northern irish citizen? im a protestant and condem both sides but i dont call myself a loyalist or unionist - im from northern ireland and claim no side, if everyone has to pick between loyalist or republican all the problems just start back up again so why cant you just be neutral live in the country as just a normal citizen instead of claiming a side, if there were no sides then this problem wouldnt be here.......?
And you are obviously very biased about sinn fein if you think they are 100% behind the peace process especially when they have the likes of mcguiness in their ranks............its time for a change and its time to get rid of the sides......................
#30
andymack
you consider yourself an irish republican - that in itself is the problem.
Why cant you just be a northern irish citizen? im a protestant and condem both sides but i dont call myself a loyalist or unionist - im from northern ireland and claim no side, if everyone has to pick between loyalist or republican all the problems just start back up again so why cant you just be neutral live in the country as just a normal citizen instead of claiming a side, if there were no sides then this problem wouldnt be here.......?
And you are obviously very biased about sinn fein if you think they are 100% behind the peace process especially when they have the likes of mcguiness in their ranks............its time for a change and its time to get rid of the sides......................


That comment highlighted in bold doesn't sound very neutral or unbiased to me tbh.
#31
I hate hearing about things like this...why can't people just get along and try and be happy?
#32
realfriendlyman
I hate hearing about things like this...why can't people just get along and try and be happy?


If only it was that easy mate. Too many people here with a mindset that is still stuck in the past. It will probably take generations to resolve but I hope that one day it is resolved and I hope that I am around to witness it.
#33
modoc
That comment highlighted in bold doesn't sound very neutral or unbiased to me tbh.


Fair comment i suppose and maybe that wasnt the best comment on my part but i think that no political party should be allowed ex paramilitaries to represent them as the crimes they have committed are unforgiveable
[mod]#34
THIEF ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :lol:
#35
Sorry syzable - but yeah i hold my hands up - but i would say borrowed instead of stolen ..................... :)
[mod]#36
andymack;4599028
Sorry syzable - but yeah i hold my hands up - but i would say borrowed instead of stolen ..................... :)


No worries........i don't mind. :) I see it as i'm starting a type of cult. :w00t:
#37
modoc
If only it was that easy mate. Too many people here with a mindset that is still stuck in the past. It will probably take generations to resolve but I hope that one day it is resolved and I hope that I am around to witness it.


I hope so too, I know it's because certain people don't want to understand both sides situation and I think mediation for as long as it takes would improve the situation, rather than mindless killings.

No one deserves to die.

Syzable
THIEF ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :lol:


I think Superman might have something similar to say to you. :giggle:

I did think that was you when I saw the other members avatar but then again, I thought Ace was The Saint at some point...I was wondering why The Saints post were suddenly much funnier. :giggle:
#38
andymack
Sorry syzable - but yeah i hold my hands up - but i would say borrowed instead of stolen ..................... :)


Syzable
No worries........i don't mind. :) I see it as i'm starting a type of cult. :w00t:


Oh damn...it seems Andy's new avi is now a bit more lush than your Sy...are you gonna be left behind? :giggle:
[mod]#39
realfriendlyman;4599061
Oh damn...it seems Andy's new avi is now a bit more lush than your Sy...are you gonna be left behind? :giggle:


I am :-( I'm definately old school now. lol
#40
Syzable
I am :-( I'm definately old school now. lol


Sometimes it's good to be old school, there's a lot of classic tunes I love on top of my disney films but I think we should stick to blaming kids on that one. :oops:

How's our Disney club coming along?
Saying that...I might be going to Disneyland soon.....would you believe? :w00t:

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