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The USA really has gone mad. The fat lady hasn't sung yet, but has the microphone and orchestra is ready to play, What have you done USA! Crazy. So how long before that wall is built? Read More
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banned8m, 2w agoPosted 8 months, 2 weeks ago
The USA really has gone mad.

The fat lady hasn't sung yet, but has the microphone and orchestra is ready to play,

What have you done USA!

Crazy.

So how long before that wall is built?
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banned8m, 2w agoPosted 8 months, 2 weeks ago
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France will be next with front national and then that will be the end of the E.U. People want nation states with secure borders.
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Hillary arrested by FBI at airport making a USExit. lol

In the meantime what actually is the point of these pollster? It's almost worth betting against whoever they predict will win. Our general election, USA and Brexit all wildly wrong.
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davewave
I bet on Trump winning, as some sort of consolation for one of the worst result for USA. Sad to say I am prob going to win on my bet. He simply isnt qualified
All the Clinton supporters misunderstand why people voted for Trump, and simply want to say all Trump voters are racist, they dont understand that at its heart it is anti-establishment!
The establishment, the EU, feminism, immigration, political correctness whatever you want to choose are all scapegoats or boogeymen. There's a significant number of people who think they've been short-changed, that what they were 'promised' in life hasn't been delivered and there's a nostalgic yearning for a time when they think life was better.

So they blame these boogeymen.

I also think that there's a lot of men out there who feel threatened by the changing world and that's not a new phenomenon. They were raised with these ideas that they'd be providers, that they'd be successful and come home to their 'castles' and the world hasn't panned out like that for them so they look to blame something.

That doesn't mean Clinton, the democrats etc. are perfect but in so many countries you're seeing populists gaining traction and exploiting these feeling of frustration, or impotence and giving these people scapegoats. It's a bizarre shift in American ideology.

You really need to quit using your lame rhetoric that anyone who votes against your views is a racist or loser.

Was Hilary a racist for paying Black celebrities for getting on stage with her? Were the huge majority of Mexican and Latino vote she secured racist? Were the 95% of Black voters racist for voting Obama?

We both agree that Trump is not fit for purpose. But if "none of the above" had stood, it would have won by a landslide.
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HEAWD you're a proven failed antagonist, someone who's reputation is shot.

Please understand you're input, of lack of any respected analytical commentary, is only merely distracting other more worthy opponents from joining the debate.
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Inb4 £ starts to increase in value and USA gives the U.K. a boost with a promise of going above the EU for a trade agreement.

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In b4 the same time as Brexit actually happens.
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OMG

Hilary bet get packing as he will put her in jail
2 Likes #3
What will be the first mad thing he does?
banned 8 Likes #4
Inb4 £ starts to increase in value and USA gives the U.K. a boost with a promise of going above the EU for a trade agreement.
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miles136
OMG

Hilary bet get packing as he will put her in jail

Lol oh yeh!
banned 2 Likes #6
Probably the worst world leader in history & certainly in the history of tax evasion.

I am now going to avoid tax because it is now acceptable
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miles136
OMG

Hilary bet get packing as he will put her in jail

Well that was his promise.

However I feel he is going to be the quickest president to ever get assassinated.
#8
The wall doesn't matter to us. He's going to do a lot of awful things and if you're a non-white, non-straight person in America then your life got considerably worse.

If you're talking about what happens to the rest of the world...no idea. America has been the one constant in all of our lives because it was a superpower willing to intervene and it's interests broadly aligned with our's.

That is likely to change which leaves a vacuum and I'm not sure what fills it. I'm honestly at a loss as to what to tell my children beyond trying to reassure them that everything will be ok.

Six months ago I would've said that the European Union would need to bind closer together and that there were huge opportunities for economic growth as part of that, and I still believe that is the silver lining to all of this.

But at the moment anything is possible and the market needs to bottom out first so you're looking at a financial market reacting in the way it does to a large-scale terrorist attack. That's about the size of things.
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There's also a bizarre parallel with Brexit here in that an ignored group of people of broadly similar demographics have 'fought back' against the 'elites' by voting for a populist leader or individual....

yet the people who will most benefit are those at the top of the economic food chain, whilst those who will suffer are likely to be the most vulnerable members of society.

It's akin to being chased by a wolf and rationalising that the best response is to pump it full of adrenaline. What happens is those least able to escape it are mauled to death whilst the faster people manage to escape....and then they come back and loot the remains of the fallen.

And off in the treeline Vladimir Putin is riding a horse shirtless, laughing to himself.
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No wall, no stopping Muslims entering, No getting ISIS, no moving embassies. I wonder where his first overseas visit will be
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YouDontWantToKnow
miles136
OMG
Hilary bet get packing as he will put her in jail
Well that was his promise.
However I feel he is going to be the quickest president to ever get assassinated.

It's a grim prediction, but it had crossed my mind too.
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The wall doesn't matter to us. He's going to do a lot of awful things and if you're a non-white, non-straight person in America then your life got considerably worse.
If you're talking about what happens to the rest of the world...no idea. America has been the one constant in all of our lives because it was a superpower willing to intervene and it's interests broadly aligned with our's.
That is likely to change which leaves a vacuum and I'm not sure what fills it. I'm honestly at a loss as to what to tell my children beyond trying to reassure them that everything will be ok.
Six months ago I would've said that the European Union would need to bind closer together and that there were huge opportunities for economic growth as part of that, and I still believe that is the silver lining to all of this.
But at the moment anything is possible and the market needs to bottom out first so you're looking at a financial market reacting in the way it does to a large-scale terrorist attack. That's about the size of things.
The wall doesn't matter to us. He's going to do a lot of awful things and if you're a non-white, non-straight person in America then your life got considerably worse.
Don't you mean if you are an illegal immigrant or a supporter of jihad then in America your life just got considerably worse.
If you are a non-white, non-straight person in America everything is still tickety-boo. Now quit all this fear mongering you odious troll.

No, I mean that if you're a homosexual then you're likely to see marriage equality overturned. I mean if you're a person of Arab descent then you have a President who is happy to imply you're a terrorist.

Then there's the impact on women, especially those seeking an abortion because Roe v Wade is going to be under severe threat.

Then there's all those people who had healthcare for the first time because of the ACA which is likely to be scrapped. The guy has even threatened the freedom of the press which strikes at the very heart of the first amendment. All this is at risk not just because of Trump but because of the judges he will appoint.

It's a huge turning point in America's history.
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miles136
OMG
Hilary bet get packing as he will put her in jail
Well that was his promise.
However I feel he is going to be the quickest president to ever get assassinated.
It's a grim prediction, but it had crossed my mind too.

I might place a bet
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Hillary arrested by FBI at airport making a USExit. lol

In the meantime what actually is the point of these pollster? It's almost worth betting against whoever they predict will win. Our general election, USA and Brexit all wildly wrong.
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my daughter needs dollars for a holiday, would today be the best day to buy them? cheers
#16
I bet on Trump winning, as some sort of consolation for one of the worst result for USA. Sad to say I am prob going to win on my bet. He simply isnt qualified
All the Clinton supporters misunderstand why people voted for Trump, and simply want to say all Trump voters are racist, they dont understand that at its heart it is anti-establishment!
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davewave
I bet on Trump winning, as some sort of consolation for one of the worst result for USA. Sad to say I am prob going to win on my bet. He simply isnt qualified
All the Clinton supporters misunderstand why people voted for Trump, and simply want to say all Trump voters are racist, they dont understand that at its heart it is anti-establishment!

The establishment, the EU, feminism, immigration, political correctness whatever you want to choose are all scapegoats or boogeymen. There's a significant number of people who think they've been short-changed, that what they were 'promised' in life hasn't been delivered and there's a nostalgic yearning for a time when they think life was better.

So they blame these boogeymen.

I also think that there's a lot of men out there who feel threatened by the changing world and that's not a new phenomenon. They were raised with these ideas that they'd be providers, that they'd be successful and come home to their 'castles' and the world hasn't panned out like that for them so they look to blame something.

That doesn't mean Clinton, the democrats etc. are perfect but in so many countries you're seeing populists gaining traction and exploiting these feeling of frustration, or impotence and giving these people scapegoats. It's a bizarre shift in American ideology.
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davewave
I bet on Trump winning, as some sort of consolation for one of the worst result for USA. Sad to say I am prob going to win on my bet. He simply isnt qualified
All the Clinton supporters misunderstand why people voted for Trump, and simply want to say all Trump voters are racist, they dont understand that at its heart it is anti-establishment!

Exactly right. Hilary has no one to blame but herself. Beating Trump should have been plain sailing after all the nonsense he's come out with. His victory (if he wins - it's not happened yet) is a protest kick in the teeth to the establishment. Just like Brexit.

Funny thing on that racist card handed out were the 95% of blacks who voted for Obama racist and not influenced by his colour? Was anything made of that extraordinarily lop sided vote?
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ICBMiss
Hillary arrested by FBI at airport making a USExit. lol
In the meantime what actually is the point of these pollster? It's almost worth betting against whoever they predict will win. Our general election, USA and Brexit all wildly wrong.


What is the charge? Whitewater? The dodgy emails? Clinton Foundation? Benghazi? Or is it something far more criminal ..........



http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111285890/5190202-3178735140-hqdef.jpg
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Saturn
ICBMiss
Hillary arrested by FBI at airport making a USExit. lol
In the meantime what actually is the point of these pollster? It's almost worth betting against whoever they predict will win. Our general election, USA and Brexit all wildly wrong.


What is the charge? Whitewater? The dodgy emails? Clinton Foundation? Benghazi? Or is it something far more criminal ..........



http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111285890/5190202-3178735140-hqdef.jpg


Inb4 "MY EYESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!" meme
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This is scary stuff. We'll see how much power a President actually has, as opposed to how much he's a figurehead. Obama had to fight a Republican Senate, the Senate is still Republican - how much backing will they give their Republican President?
This shouldn't even have been a race, if the Democrats had found a half respected candidateTrump wouldn't have got a look in.
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ICBMiss
Hillary arrested by FBI at airport making a USExit. lol

In the meantime what actually is the point of these pollster? It's almost worth betting against whoever they predict will win. Our general election, USA and Brexit all wildly wrong.



at least if they stop doing polls we can rely on HEAWD to get it wrong.
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booky
This is scary stuff. We'll see how much power a President actually has, as opposed to how much he's a figurehead. Obama had to fight a Republican Senate, the Senate is still Republican - how much backing will they give their Republican President?
This shouldn't even have been a race, if the Democrats had found a half respected candidateTrump wouldn't have got a look in.
https://twitter.com/MaddowBlog/status/784569134344437760
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Well 2016 will certainly go down in as a historic year of great significance.
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EN1GMA
Well 2016 will certainly go down in as a historic year of great significance.


well unless they correct the grammar.
banned#26
Clinton seriously isn't going to give a speech?
banned 9 Likes #27
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davewave
I bet on Trump winning, as some sort of consolation for one of the worst result for USA. Sad to say I am prob going to win on my bet. He simply isnt qualified
All the Clinton supporters misunderstand why people voted for Trump, and simply want to say all Trump voters are racist, they dont understand that at its heart it is anti-establishment!
The establishment, the EU, feminism, immigration, political correctness whatever you want to choose are all scapegoats or boogeymen. There's a significant number of people who think they've been short-changed, that what they were 'promised' in life hasn't been delivered and there's a nostalgic yearning for a time when they think life was better.

So they blame these boogeymen.

I also think that there's a lot of men out there who feel threatened by the changing world and that's not a new phenomenon. They were raised with these ideas that they'd be providers, that they'd be successful and come home to their 'castles' and the world hasn't panned out like that for them so they look to blame something.

That doesn't mean Clinton, the democrats etc. are perfect but in so many countries you're seeing populists gaining traction and exploiting these feeling of frustration, or impotence and giving these people scapegoats. It's a bizarre shift in American ideology.

You really need to quit using your lame rhetoric that anyone who votes against your views is a racist or loser.

Was Hilary a racist for paying Black celebrities for getting on stage with her? Were the huge majority of Mexican and Latino vote she secured racist? Were the 95% of Black voters racist for voting Obama?

We both agree that Trump is not fit for purpose. But if "none of the above" had stood, it would have won by a landslide.
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People supported Trump but I reckon many were sick of the accusations of being racist, they voted anyway and their vote still counts even if liberals don't understand why.
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Saturn
ICBMiss
Hillary arrested by FBI at airport making a USExit. lol
In the meantime what actually is the point of these pollster? It's almost worth betting against whoever they predict will win. Our general election, USA and Brexit all wildly wrong.
What is the charge? Whitewater? The dodgy emails? Clinton Foundation? Benghazi? Or is it something far more criminal ..........http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111285890/5190202-3178735140-hqdef.jpg

Spending $4M on their daughters wedding using money from their "foundation" that was allegedly meant for starving people around the world.

Plus that outfit! :p
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davewave
People supported Trump but I reckon many were sick of the accusations of being racist, they voted anyway and their vote still counts even if liberals don't understand why.

Exactly right. It's called the F you effect.
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davewave
I bet on Trump winning, as some sort of consolation for one of the worst result for USA. Sad to say I am prob going to win on my bet. He simply isnt qualified
All the Clinton supporters misunderstand why people voted for Trump, and simply want to say all Trump voters are racist, they dont understand that at its heart it is anti-establishment!

The establishment, the EU, feminism, immigration, political correctness whatever you want to choose are all scapegoats or boogeymen. There's a significant number of people who think they've been short-changed, that what they were 'promised' in life hasn't been delivered and there's a nostalgic yearning for a time when they think life was better.

So they blame these boogeymen.

I also think that there's a lot of men out there who feel threatened by the changing world and that's not a new phenomenon. They were raised with these ideas that they'd be providers, that they'd be successful and come home to their 'castles' and the world hasn't panned out like that for them so they look to blame something.

That doesn't mean Clinton, the democrats etc. are perfect but in so many countries you're seeing populists gaining traction and exploiting these feeling of frustration, or impotence and giving these people scapegoats. It's a bizarre shift in American ideology.


"populists gaining traction"
is that your explanation when people disagree with you.
most people would still call it democracy as I am sure you would if it had gone your way.
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shadey12
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davewave
I bet on Trump winning, as some sort of consolation for one of the worst result for USA. Sad to say I am prob going to win on my bet. He simply isnt qualified
All the Clinton supporters misunderstand why people voted for Trump, and simply want to say all Trump voters are racist, they dont understand that at its heart it is anti-establishment!
The establishment, the EU, feminism, immigration, political correctness whatever you want to choose are all scapegoats or boogeymen. There's a significant number of people who think they've been short-changed, that what they were 'promised' in life hasn't been delivered and there's a nostalgic yearning for a time when they think life was better.
So they blame these boogeymen.
I also think that there's a lot of men out there who feel threatened by the changing world and that's not a new phenomenon. They were raised with these ideas that they'd be providers, that they'd be successful and come home to their 'castles' and the world hasn't panned out like that for them so they look to blame something.
That doesn't mean Clinton, the democrats etc. are perfect but in so many countries you're seeing populists gaining traction and exploiting these feeling of frustration, or impotence and giving these people scapegoats. It's a bizarre shift in American ideology.
"populists gaining traction"
is that your explanation when people disagree with you.
most people would still call it democracy as I am sure you would if it had gone your way.

I'm calling it democracy too so I'm at a loss to where you'd think I said otherwise.
davewave
People supported Trump but I reckon many were sick of the accusations of being racist, they voted anyway and their vote still counts even if liberals don't understand why.

That's an irrational reason to vote for someone, and you're probably right that people didn't like to be called racist or xenophobic even if they are.
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davewave
I bet on Trump winning, as some sort of consolation for one of the worst result for USA. Sad to say I am prob going to win on my bet. He simply isnt qualified
All the Clinton supporters misunderstand why people voted for Trump, and simply want to say all Trump voters are racist, they dont understand that at its heart it is anti-establishment!
The establishment, the EU, feminism, immigration, political correctness whatever you want to choose are all scapegoats or boogeymen. There's a significant number of people who think they've been short-changed, that what they were 'promised' in life hasn't been delivered and there's a nostalgic yearning for a time when they think life was better.
So they blame these boogeymen.
I also think that there's a lot of men out there who feel threatened by the changing world and that's not a new phenomenon. They were raised with these ideas that they'd be providers, that they'd be successful and come home to their 'castles' and the world hasn't panned out like that for them so they look to blame something.
That doesn't mean Clinton, the democrats etc. are perfect but in so many countries you're seeing populists gaining traction and exploiting these feeling of frustration, or impotence and giving these people scapegoats. It's a bizarre shift in American ideology.
"populists gaining traction"
is that your explanation when people disagree with you.
most people would still call it democracy as I am sure you would if it had gone your way.

I'm calling it democracy too so I'm at a loss to where you'd think I said otherwise.
davewave
People supported Trump but I reckon many were sick of the accusations of being racist, they voted anyway and their vote still counts even if liberals don't understand why.

That's an irrational reason to vote for someone, and you're probably right that people didn't like to be called racist or xenophobic even if they are.


something is not irrational if it does exactly what it's intended to achieve. Voting for Trump means voting anti-establishment.

Whilst he represents views with which you or I disagree that's entirely irrelevant to whether he is anti-establishment.
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I hope Teresa May renegotiates our "Special Relationship" a damn sight quicker than she seems to be starting the Brexit negotiations!
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davewave
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davewave
I bet on Trump winning, as some sort of consolation for one of the worst result for USA. Sad to say I am prob going to win on my bet. He simply isnt qualified
All the Clinton supporters misunderstand why people voted for Trump, and simply want to say all Trump voters are racist, they dont understand that at its heart it is anti-establishment!
The establishment, the EU, feminism, immigration, political correctness whatever you want to choose are all scapegoats or boogeymen. There's a significant number of people who think they've been short-changed, that what they were 'promised' in life hasn't been delivered and there's a nostalgic yearning for a time when they think life was better.
So they blame these boogeymen.
I also think that there's a lot of men out there who feel threatened by the changing world and that's not a new phenomenon. They were raised with these ideas that they'd be providers, that they'd be successful and come home to their 'castles' and the world hasn't panned out like that for them so they look to blame something.
That doesn't mean Clinton, the democrats etc. are perfect but in so many countries you're seeing populists gaining traction and exploiting these feeling of frustration, or impotence and giving these people scapegoats. It's a bizarre shift in American ideology.
"populists gaining traction"
is that your explanation when people disagree with you.
most people would still call it democracy as I am sure you would if it had gone your way.
I'm calling it democracy too so I'm at a loss to where you'd think I said otherwise.
davewave
People supported Trump but I reckon many were sick of the accusations of being racist, they voted anyway and their vote still counts even if liberals don't understand why.
That's an irrational reason to vote for someone, and you're probably right that people didn't like to be called racist or xenophobic even if they are.
something is not irrational if it does exactly what it's intended to achieve. Voting for Trump means voting anti-establishment.
Whilst he represents views with which you or I disagree that's entirely irrelevant to whether he is anti-establishment.

Voting because you're sick of being called a racist or xenophobe for supporting someone who is racist and xenophobic is irrational and pig-headed.
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it looks all over to me, Hillary should concede...then go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass Go or collect millions of dollars from her bogus charity :3

Lock her up !!
Lock her up !!
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As a parent it would be easy to be despondent but my kids still represent the same thing they've always represented and that's hope. What they're seeing now is people acting against their own self-interest and making things worse not just for themselves, but for their neighbours.

What we might serve as is a lesson on how not to do things because I can't think we reach a point much lower than this. They'll be the next great generation of people and all we can do is provide them with the best tools possible.

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