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The Price Of RyZen Revealed: Massive Blow To Intel

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well well well. here are some info on the infamous "RyZen" cpu thats about to be heading our way very soon, what do yall think? reasonable? One of the biggest unknowns concerning AMD's upcomin… Read More
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3m, 2w agoPosted 3 months, 2 weeks ago
well well well. here are some info on the infamous "RyZen" cpu thats about to be heading our way very soon, what do yall think? reasonable?

One of the biggest unknowns concerning AMD's upcoming Ryzen processors is what price they will be sold at. We've heard lots of details about Ryzen, its architectural design, its capabilities, and the technology behind it but the crucial pricing information has been held back. Understandably, AMD wouldn't want to forewarn competitors by providing too much information on a product yet to launch. Furthermore, product pricing is a variable that can be changed rather quickly so it's shrewd to hold back such info.


http://hexus.net/media/uploaded/2017/2/bf32bf80-0dd7-4614-b4ba-5c419b0c2a07.jpg

Retailers aren't always on the ball at following NDA dates and such. Electronics sellers handle thousands of products so when new ones appear it's easy to miss information about not publishing details too early, and this looks like what has happened several times with AMD Ryzen CPUs already.

Earlier in the week there were Euro prices for AMD R7 Ryzen 8C/16T processors circulating the internet. Now those prices have been given credence by further spills from US and UK online retailers.


http://hexus.net/media/uploaded/2017/2/bf03f5b3-52dc-4ead-a884-5733b1e47b67.jpg

In the UK we have a screenshot of a listing of Ryzen CPUs from trade seller Ingram Micro. These listed processors seem to have been taken down, but luckily VideoCardz took a snap. You can see the top end 4GHz AMD Ryzen 7 1800X was listed at GBP £365, the Ryzen 7 1700X at £283, and the Ryzen 7 1700 at £235. These are ex-VAT prices so you have to add 20 per cent, unfortunately. That makes the AMD Ryzen 7 1800X £438 by my calculations. In the listings WOF seems to mean 'without fan'.
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#1
I dont see how this is a massive blow to intel? The 7700k is less than this. Yes on paper the AMD chip looks faster and with more cores but that has generally been the case for a long time. Benchmarks have also show Intel to be faster despite this though.

I haven't kept up with Ryzen at all. Are there benchmarks out there suggesting these are a lot faster than a 7700k?
#2
Be careful those prices could dramatically increase due to exchange rate fluctuations, profiteering, demand, and lack of supply. So if those figures are correct (the leak includes two major reputable UK computer suppliers), and not their wholesale prices, in the short term the consumer could be paying up to 50% on top of those prices. Unfortunately supply will be relatively small, so chances of obtaining a processor at it's release will be remote, even though AMD are targeting the Enterprise and Consumer market first.

I haven't kept up with Ryzen at all. Are there benchmarks out there suggesting these are a lot faster than a 7700k?
NDA - Non disclosure agreement still so until the formal release it's impossible to gauge the core and thread performances. Only estimations and speculation from detailed analysis on leaked specifications, and AMD's own comparison tests. Although price wise, AMD's top end release of 8 Core 16 Thread (RY)Zen processor is half the price of it's competitor, so a price war could be inevitable with Intel dropping their prices. Although this is still speculation until reviewers can get hold of retail samples.

i wonder if they changed it to LGA rather than pins on their cpu..i hated it when my fx 6300 was not fitting in its motherboard due to the pins not being aligned...too me an hour to fix
You don't want to know the answer then...... PGA from most computer sites accounts.





Edited By: nemesiz on Feb 10, 2017 13:06: Correction Addendum..
#3
i wonder if they changed it to LGA rather than pins on their cpu..i hated it when my fx 6300 was not fitting in its motherboard due to the pins not being aligned...too me an hour to fix
#4
sparx1981
I dont see how this is a massive blow to intel? The 7700k is less than this. Yes on paper the AMD chip looks faster and with more cores but that has generally been the case for a long time. Benchmarks have also show Intel to be faster despite this though.

I haven't kept up with Ryzen at all. Are there benchmarks out there suggesting these are a lot faster than a 7700k?


thats what i have been saying the whole time...everybody thought the fx 8350 and 9590 was superior compared to intels i7 but was far from reality...and now this? amd fans are being over confident on this release once again...its keeps replaying like a cycle each and every year
#5
BigP50000
i wonder if they changed it to LGA rather than pins on their cpu..i hated it when my fx 6300 was not fitting in its motherboard due to the pins not being aligned...too me an hour to fix

pins are better. if any of the fins on the intel cpu had bent that'd have been much harder to fix. you can fix a load of bent pins easily, you just straighten them out with tweezers, if you bend a load of the fins on an intel cpu you're royally f cked.
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BigP50000
sparx1981
I dont see how this is a massive blow to intel? The 7700k is less than this. Yes on paper the AMD chip looks faster and with more cores but that has generally been the case for a long time. Benchmarks have also show Intel to be faster despite this though.
I haven't kept up with Ryzen at all. Are there benchmarks out there suggesting these are a lot faster than a 7700k?
thats what i have been saying the whole time...everybody thought the fx 8350 and 9590 was superior compared to intels i7 but was far from reality...and now this? amd fans are being over confident on this release once again...its keeps replaying like a cycle each and every year

they were equal to i7s in multithreaded apps, the problem for the last decade was that most programmers did not program to take advantage of amd's multiple cores. it was a gamble by amd that did not pay off. hopefully ryzen will change that by giving better single core performance. while still giving more cores than intel.

Edited By: plath on Feb 10, 2017 13:11
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thats what i have been saying the whole time...everybody thought the fx 8350 and 9590 was superior compared to intels i7 but was far from reality...and now this? amd fans are being over confident on this release once again...its keeps replaying like a cycle each and every year

Completely different architecture, built from the ground upwards, learning from common mistakes of their previous generations. So on paper, it looks very promising for AMD, and the consumer in general who should see a price war as Intel have competition again.
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im not saying AMD aren't going to blow up this year with the release of the new ryzen , what i am saying is they will still have no competition Intel whasoever because they are about to release something that Intel has been releasing for ages..its nothing new just like most are saying kaby lake is not much of a performance update from skylake ...its nothing new just a more updated newer cpu out in the market. not to mention i have read somewhere that RyZen's fastest high end processor will go head to head with the i7 skylake, not Kaby Lake...what does that tell you?
#9
I still dont get the comment about it being cheaper than Intel. Going by this image it's £365 for the top one. A 7700k is around £330 and if previous gens are anything to go by will out perform the AMD. Am I missing something?
#10
its not cheap...not from what i can see anyways
1 Like #11
Hmm gotta say even if they beat intels current lineup on consumer grade cpu's, my i7 4790k still has a ton of power left in it before needing to upgrade and hopefully for another few years to come.
#12
BigP50000
sparx1981
I dont see how this is a massive blow to intel? The 7700k is less than this. Yes on paper the AMD chip looks faster and with more cores but that has generally been the case for a long time. Benchmarks have also show Intel to be faster despite this though.
I haven't kept up with Ryzen at all. Are there benchmarks out there suggesting these are a lot faster than a 7700k?
thats what i have been saying the whole time...everybody thought the fx 8350 and 9590 was superior compared to intels i7 but was far from reality...and now this? amd fans are being over confident on this release once again...its keeps replaying like a cycle each and every year


Speak for yourself. The FX series processors have been doomed from the start tbh. I was an early adopter of the FX-6300 and was severely disappointed at the time due to the power consumption and poor performance when it came to gaming, as someone else mentioned games at the time could not utilise the extra physical cores.

However I don't think the FX series, even the flagship CPU, was marketed as an i7 killer?

Ryzen however is designed from scratch and should be pretty exciting, reserving my judgement until it's actually out and benchmarked by reputable sources.
#13
I still dont get the comment about it being cheaper than Intel. Going by this image it's £365 for the top one. A 7700k is around £330 and if previous gens are anything to go by will out perform the AMD. Am I missing something?
Yes the I7-7700K is a physical 4 Core processor with 8 Threads. Unlike the tomfoolery of the previous AMD marketing, the Ryzen 1700 - 1800X processors does have 8 physical cores, and 16 threads. So unless you purchase a second hand server grade Xeon processor i.e. E5-2670 and factor in an expensive motherboard, the cost for the current generation I7 6850K, 5960X, etc 8 Core processors could cost double the price or more! This is the reason why system builders are excited as all the indicators and speculation if true, could mean a true Octo-core available to the consumer at a reasonable price after factoring in other components.
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sparx1981
I dont see how this is a massive blow to intel? The 7700k is less than this. Yes on paper the AMD chip looks faster and with more cores but that has generally been the case for a long time. Benchmarks have also show Intel to be faster despite this though.

I haven't kept up with Ryzen at all. Are there benchmarks out there suggesting these are a lot faster than a 7700k?


The top level ryzen has comparable performance to a decked out 6900 extreme x99 chip, which retails at 1000$.

For 450$ I would say that's a game changer.

Even if it isn't much cheaper for the other chips it at least creates a genuine competition which could lead to a serious alternative and therefore price war. That is the interesting thing!!
#15
sparx1981
I still dont get the comment about it being cheaper than Intel. Going by this image it's £365 for the top one. A 7700k is around £330 and if previous gens are anything to go by will out perform the AMD. Am I missing something?
You need to add 20% VAT to the £365 for £438. And if these are coming from a supplier, then I would imagine that consumers would pay more. So you might be looking at RRP of £460/£490.

edit: I misread your comment, I thought you were saying that this is looking good for AMD...if these prices are true, as you say, it's not going to be good for AMD.

Edited By: zedlor on Feb 10, 2017 21:47
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I think the main point here is that if the IPC on Zen is even close to say Haswell, then the Summit Ridge line up of CPU's if priced as indicated this week will not have any competition at the price point, and would even start encroaching on the the Core i7-7700 where price is considered.

Saying that, the likes of the yet to be announced/leaked 6c/12t models could all but wipe out Intel as an option for most people as a choice as the price should slot them in below the current i5/i7 line up, but with a lot more bang for you buck (again IPC dependent)

Given AMD's history, it hasn't been unknown for them to give Intel a good right hook when they were least expecting it, you only need to look at the Athlon XP's and the AMD Athlon 64 generation to see it was Intel who were playing catch up.
#17
Benchmarks are in:

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-389-8-core-cpu-benchmarks-leaked/

No overclock and no turbo... Impressive!

Edited By: The_Hoff on Feb 12, 2017 00:25: Typo
#18
The_Hoff
Benchmarks are in:http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-389-8-core-cpu-benchmarks-leaked/
No overclock and no turbo... Impressive!

Engineering samples apparently.
#19
CHAOSEN3
The_Hoff
Benchmarks are in:http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-389-8-core-cpu-benchmarks-leaked/
No overclock and no turbo... Impressive!
Engineering samples apparently.

Old link now, there were some more recent benchs published on the same site.
#20
#21

Looks really promising, especially the whole RGB CPU stock cooler thing.
#22
CHAOSEN3
Looks really promising, especially the whole RGB CPU stock cooler thing.

Personally don't care about RGB, I usually turn that stuff off. Plus pending price/performance I'd be looking to buy a 1700X with no cooler, I'll use my Arctic Freezer i32 to keep it cool.
#23
thing is i dont think imma be getting any this year...neither kaby lake or ryzen...this year i thought id get into the new Nintendo Switch lol seriously that **** is so cool
#24
The_Hoff
CHAOSEN3
Looks really promising, especially the whole RGB CPU stock cooler thing.
Personally don't care about RGB, I usually turn that stuff off. Plus pending price/performance I'd be looking to buy a 1700X with no cooler, I'll use my Arctic Freezer i32 to keep it cool.

Same here, my Z270 board has RGB that stays on after the PC shuts down and it does my head in since I don't have a windowed case or anything. Ended up installing the RGB software out of frustration just to turn the RGB off, uninstalled the software and the lights stayed off, woo!

You can't deny that RGB is something that is getting more and more popular, it's not for me personally but I think it's a smart move fro AMD.
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CHAOSEN3
The_Hoff
CHAOSEN3
Looks really promising, especially the whole RGB CPU stock cooler thing.
Personally don't care about RGB, I usually turn that stuff off. Plus pending price/performance I'd be looking to buy a 1700X with no cooler, I'll use my Arctic Freezer i32 to keep it cool.
Same here, my Z270 board has RGB that stays on after the PC shuts down and it does my head in since I don't have a windowed case or anything. Ended up installing the RGB software out of frustration just to turn the RGB off, uninstalled the software and the lights stayed off, woo!
You can't deny that RGB is something that is getting more and more popular, it's not for me personally but I think it's a smart move fro AMD.

Definitely need to compete so RGB for the youth is a good thing.
#26
Some new benchmarks are "leaking" out. Ryzen 6-core R5 1600X looks promising outperforming all the 6 core intel chips.

https://i2.wp.com/www.eteknix.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/AMD-Ryzen-5-1600X-CPUz-Singlecore.jpg

https://i2.wp.com/www.eteknix.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/AMD-Ryzen-5-1600X-CPUz-Multicore.jpg

You just need to know the price of the I7-5960X which is the extreme price comparison you'd expect to be seeing with the R5 being a quarter of it's price.

Remembering these AMD Benchmarks are also stock. If these results are anywhere near accurate, I'd be amazed if intel kept the current pricing structure.

If you're an enthusiast and these benchmarks are realistic, you'd be taking a market % directly from Intel. They've had the market too long.

I'm still on a 2500k, seen no real reason to upgrade. The 1600X is around 125% better performance multithreaded (as you'd expect anyway, 4vs6core), and around 50% single.





Edited By: DarrylJohn on Feb 18, 2017 17:08: Spelling
#27
Intel responds with price cuts across the board

Edited By: tempt on Feb 25, 2017 21:03: .
#28
tempt
Intel reponds with price cuts across the board
everyone should just boycott intel for ripping us off in the first place
#29
lol RyZen is a LIE!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caDxAJMAu0w&feature=youtu.be

Edited By: BigP50000 on Mar 02, 2017 17:48

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