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PS3 fw 3.41 whats the deal ?

apples33 Avatar
6y, 2m agoPosted 6 years, 2 months ago
I've noticed that people are after a PS3 but firmware 3.41 or lower, whats the deal with the older firmware ?

Did google it but nothing came back to explain
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6y, 2m agoPosted 6 years, 2 months ago
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#1
Anything higher than 3.41 can't be jailbroken
#2
Ah cheers, will have a look at the thread but think i get it now :D
#3
Anyone know the value of consoles that are FW 3.41 or lower? I've got 2 and just curious really.
#4
emJayO
Anyone know the value of consoles that are FW 3.41 or lower? I've got 2 and just curious really.


Consoles with official Sony System Software above revision 3.41 can be retrospectively "downgraded" to a lower revision so you are not sitting on a goldmine.

Of course, a few more details about the consoles such as condition, colour, model, hard drive capacity, country of origin, and warranty remaining would help us provide a better valuation for you.

BFN,

fp.
#5
I still have my 60gig, with it's other software option, no way is that one getting updated! :D
#6
fanpages
emJayO
Anyone know the value of consoles that are FW 3.41 or lower? I've got 2 and just curious really.


Consoles with official Sony System Software above revision 3.41 can be retrospectively "downgraded" to a lower revision so you are not sitting on a goldmine.

Of course, a few more details about the consoles such as condition, colour, model, hard drive capacity, country of origin, and warranty remaining would help us provide a better valuation for you.

BFN,

fp.


I wasn't actually aware they could be downgraded. The two I have are both the old (fat) models, good condition, black, all seals in tact.

One is original 60gb and the other is a newer 40gb one with a 500gb hard drive.

Any indication on pricing would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
#7
emJayO
fanpages
emJayO
Anyone know the value of consoles that are FW 3.41 or lower? I've got 2 and just curious really.


Consoles with official Sony System Software above revision 3.41 can be retrospectively "downgraded" to a lower revision so you are not sitting on a goldmine.

Of course, a few more details about the consoles such as condition, colour, model, hard drive capacity, country of origin, and warranty remaining would help us provide a better valuation for you.

BFN,

fp.


I wasn't actually aware they could be downgraded. The two I have are both the old (fat) models, good condition, black, all seals in tact.

One is original 60gb and the other is a newer 40gb one with a 500gb hard drive.

Any indication on pricing would be greatly appreciated, thanks.


Same, I've yet to see anywhere about the system being able to downgrade firmware. As I have a few friends who would like to be able to do it to their console. As they realised to late they had the Automatic updates enabled.
#9
fanpages
Consoles with official Sony System Software above revision 3.41 can be retrospectively "downgraded" to a lower revision

Umm, no they can't - not YET.
#10
fanpages
[quote=emJayO]
Consoles with official Sony System Software above revision 3.41 can be retrospectively "downgraded" to a lower revision so you are not sitting on a goldmine.


First i've heard of this, link?
#11
fanpages
Consoles with official Sony System Software above revision 3.41 can be retrospectively "downgraded" to a lower revision


Mallinersha
Umm, no they can't - not YET.


If you remove the hard drive & re-insert it you will be asked to re-format it, but you can load a different firmware of choice at that time.

As I mentioned in the above thread, I could help with queries but your peers took it amongst themselves to personally attack me claiming I was going off-topic, then did the same thing themselves.

My point was that not supporting games developers & publishers by paying for the games costs jobs & ultimately reduces the amount of games available to play in the future.

If video gaming is of interest to you then you should also appreciate the other side of your decision to "pirate" & play "backup" games.

BFN,

fp.
#12
fanpages
fanpages
Consoles with official Sony System Software above revision 3.41 can be retrospectively "downgraded" to a lower revision


Mallinersha
Umm, no they can't - not YET.


If you remove the hard drive & re-insert it you will be asked to re-format it, but you can load a different firmware of choice at that time.

As I mentioned in the above thread, I could help with queries but your peers took it amongst themselves to personally attack me claiming I was going off-topic, then did the same thing themselves.

My point was that not supporting games developers & publishers by paying for the games costs jobs & ultimately reduces the amount of games available to play in the future.

If video gaming is of interest to you then you should also appreciate the other side of your decision to "pirate" & play "backup" games.

BFN,

fp.


Thats not right you can't downgrade a ps3 firmware.

You don't know what you're talking about
#13
fanpages
If you remove the hard drive & re-insert it you will be asked to re-format it, but you can load a different firmware of choice at that time

I'm sorry FP but this IS NOT the case. The PS3's firmware will ALWAYS be the same no matter what you do to your HDD.
#14
fanpages
[quote=fanpages]
If you remove the hard drive & re-insert it you will be asked to re-format it, but you can load a different firmware of choice at that time.


Have you tested this? As the Firmware is not harddrive dependant, but rather a reflash of the on PS3 itself. So by attempting it this way would throw up an error, thus leaving the user still on their original firmware they had before reinstalling a new harddrive. I am sure if it was that simple with the harddrive swap, that alot more PS3's would be back running the OtherOS Firmware.
#15
anthonyt
Have you tested this? As the Firmware is not harddrive dependant, but rather a reflash of the on PS3 itself. So by attempting it this way would throw up an error, thus leaving the user still on their original firmware they had before reinstalling a new harddrive. I am sure if it was that simple with the harddrive swap, that alot more PS3's would be back running the OtherOS Firmware.


On 60GB models that may well be the case. The architecture of the later models are different with regards to where the System Software is stored during normal use & during updates.

BFN,

fp.
#16
fanpages
On 60GB models that may well be the case. The architecture of the later models are different with regards to where the System Software is stored during normal use & during updates.BFN,fp.

Maybe so but... The PS3's firmware will ALWAYS be the same no matter what you do to your HDD on ANY PS3 model.
#17
fanpages
If you remove the hard drive & re-insert it you will be asked to re-format it, but you can load a different firmware of choice at that time


Mallinersha

I'm sorry FP but this IS NOT the case. The PS3's firmware will ALWAYS be the same no matter what you do to your HDD.


Mallinersha
Maybe so but... The PS3's firmware will ALWAYS be the same no matter what you do to your HDD on ANY PS3 model.


I didn't say it wouldn't be. You missed the extra step on the end of my sentence above.

BFN,

fp.
#18
fanpages
fanpages
If you remove the hard drive & re-insert it you will be asked to re-format it, but you can load a different firmware of choice at that time


Mallinersha

I'm sorry FP but this IS NOT the case. The PS3's firmware will ALWAYS be the same no matter what you do to your HDD.


Mallinersha
Maybe so but... The PS3's firmware will ALWAYS be the same no matter what you do to your HDD on ANY PS3 model.


I didn't say it wouldn't be. You missed the extra step on the end of my sentence above.

BFN,

fp.


What are you talking about you cannot load an older firmware that is just completely wrong.

What are you talking about?

Edited By: bob100 on Sep 15, 2010 16:11: Bold
#19
fanpages
fanpages
If you remove the hard drive & re-insert it you will be asked to re-format it, but you can load a different firmware of choice at that time
Mallinersha
I'm sorry FP but this IS NOT the case. The PS3's firmware will ALWAYS be the same no matter what you do to your HDD.
Mallinersha
Maybe so but... The PS3's firmware will ALWAYS be the same no matter what you do to your HDD on ANY PS3 model.
I didn't say it wouldn't be. You missed the extra step on the end of my sentence above.BFN,fp.


Wrong again sorry - You don't get the 'extra step' of the end of your sentence as an option or choice.

You can't downgrade - you simply don't know what you're talking about this time FP.
#20
fanpages


If you remove the hard drive & re-insert it you will be asked to re-format it, but you can load a different firmware of choice at that time.



BFN,

fp.


I have just got my 80GB phat console that is on 3.41.
I removed the HDD and reinserted it, then switched it on. It didn't ask it to be re-formatted.
I then pulled out the HDD whilst it was switched on, and reinserted it. Nothing happened.

I then put in a spare HDD that was formatted to FAT32

When I switched on the PS3, it told me that the hard disk needs to be reformatted, and the update must be 3.41 or later.
I don't have anything earlier than 3.41, and Sony conveniently removed the earlier ones from the Playstation archive page.

If someone has a link to an earlier system software, I will try it and see if it will allow me to install it.
#22
I downloaded 3.40

First this:


Checking...
Please wait


Then this:


No applicable update data was found.
Connect storage media that contains update data of version 3.41 or later, and then press the START and SELECT buttons at the same time.


I deleted the 3.40 update, and replaced it with 3.41 and tried again.

I got this message:

The system partition of the hard disk will be formatted. During the format operation, all of the data on the hard disk may be deleted.
To format, press and hold the START and SELECT buttons at the same time for at least 5 seconds.
If you format, you cannot go back to the previous version of the hard disk.


I think that I have tested it pretty comprehensively.
#23
Thanks for time testing (or trying to prove a point; whatever was your motivation). Are you concluding that you now cannot retrospectively install firmware earlier than 3.41?

Sounds like that was something else introduced with that firmware release.

If that was the case, my comment above (#5) was not correct, but previously you could install earlier firmware revisions (as I think you have demonstrated with the on-screen messages you reported above).

It would be interesting to learn if the 60GB model machine mirrors this (revised) functionality.

BFN,

fp.
#24
PS. Assuming you placed the firmware (.PUP) file(s) on a USB memory stick (/external drive) in the correct folder structure the console is expecting to find, of course :)

BFN,

fp.
#25
fanpages
Thanks for time testing (or trying to prove a point; whatever was your motivation).


I have said on AVForums that it isn't possible, but this was just because I knew it always asked for a certain revision of firmware when you try and install a new HDD. I had never actually tried to install an earlier one. So my motivation was to know, and not assume.

fanpages
Are you concluding that you now cannot retrospectively install firmware earlier than 3.41?


That's my conclusion. I can't think of any other that is feasible.

fanpages


Sounds like that was something else introduced with that firmware release.

If that was the case, my comment above (#5) was not correct, but previously you could install earlier firmware revisions (as I think you have demonstrated with the on-screen messages you reported above).


Personally, I don't think the on screen messages allude to a firmware earlier than current being possible.

fanpages

It would be interesting to learn if the 60GB model machine mirrors this (revised) functionality.

BFN,

fp.


I have a 60GB on 3.41 or earlier, but won't be able to check tonight, as it' late, my brain is fried, and I need to get my son off MW2.
As an aside, he says that there's hackers doing some kind of care package glitch. Bad times.

fanpages
PS. Assuming you placed the firmware (.PUP) file(s) on a USB memory stick (/external drive) in the correct folder structure the console is expecting to find, of course :)

BFN,

fp.


I deleted the 3.40 and immediately replaced it with 3.41 in the same window.
I have updated many PS3's before, so I know 100% I was doing it correctly.

Edited By: thesaint on Sep 18, 2010 00:02: -
banned 1 Like #26
fanpages
fanpages
Consoles with official Sony System Software above revision 3.41 can be retrospectively "downgraded" to a lower revision


Mallinersha
Umm, no they can't - not YET.


If you remove the hard drive & re-insert it you will be asked to re-format it, but you can load a different firmware of choice at that time.

As I mentioned in the above thread, I could help with queries but your peers took it amongst themselves to personally attack me claiming I was going off-topic, then did the same thing themselves.

My point was that not supporting games developers & publishers by paying for the games costs jobs & ultimately reduces the amount of games available to play in the future.

If video gaming is of interest to you then you should also appreciate the other side of your decision to "pirate" & play "backup" games.

BFN,

fp.


What an absolutely massive fail of epic proportions. This is why your "expertise" wasn't needed in the other thread. You're just a google copy and paster without any real understanding of this particular subject. You think copying large swathes of text and over-elaborating anything and everything including, rather ridiculously, acronyms makes you appear like some sort of expert on any given subject... it doesn't!
#27
thesaint
...Personally, I don't think the on screen messages allude to a firmware earlier than current being possible...


Do you mean ever, or just from System Software 3.41 onwards?

BFN,

fp.
#28
fanpages
thesaint
...Personally, I don't think the on screen messages allude to a firmware earlier than current being possible...


Do you mean ever, or just from System Software 3.41 onwards?

BFN,

fp.


You are completely wrong you can't downgrade your firmware and you never have been able to.

Fanpages you dont know what your talking about again.

I dont know why you spread this false info.
#29
although the hard drive contains the system firmware now - in early ps3s there was more flash, as I understand it - the flash memory in the ps3 must keep a record of the newest firmware that was in use and not allow anything older.

developers ps3s are able to downgrade AIUI but there are a lot of restrictions impose by dev firmware which most people wouldn't be prepared to live with

unfortunately geohot hasn't shared how he made an older version of the firmware look like a newer one (how he got back otheros), otherwise this sort of trick to downgrade *might* be possible, i.e. make a crackable os pretend to be a new/uncrackable one... I'm sure people are working on it now.
#30
the firmware its self on slims is stored on the hdd but a record of what fw it is on the nand if the 2 dont match it will not boot

all fat fw is all on the nand

no downgrades yet to someone works out how to enable write on the flash partitions

EDIT: just noticed this someone has developed a way to temp load fw from a usb drive should see some custom firmware showing at some point
the site is in Spanish here is the translation http://jaicrab.blogspot.com/




Edited By: djnaff on Sep 18, 2010 09:34: New news
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bob100
fanpages
thesaint
...Personally, I don't think the on screen messages allude to a firmware earlier than current being possible...


Do you mean ever, or just from System Software 3.41 onwards?

BFN,

fp.


You are completely wrong you can't downgrade your firmware and you never have been able to.

Fanpages you dont know what your talking about again.

I dont know why you spread this false info.


I have come to the conclusion that the big 3 (MS,Sony and Nint) came up with an automated program to create and send out press releases to all the agencies. This program became self-aware and started posting press releases and information/mis-information in the same style all over internet forums for kicks. The program's name is FanPages...
#32
fanpages


If that was the case, my comment above (#5) was not correct, but previously you could install earlier firmware revisions (as I think you have demonstrated with the on-screen messages you reported above).


BFN,

fp.


I think I see where you are coming from now:

The system partition of the hard disk will be formatted. During the format operation, all of the data on the hard disk may be deleted.
To format, press and hold the START and SELECT buttons at the same time for at least 5 seconds.
If you format, you cannot go back to the previous version of the hard disk.


The part I bolded isn't correct on sony's part, as Sony are implying that it's the hard drive that contains the firmware, when it's the PS3 itself.
You could take out a hard drive from a console that has been updated to 3.42 and put it in a console with an earlier firmware(say 3.15) just like any other.



Edited By: thesaint on Sep 18, 2010 11:24: -

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