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We currently have a wireless router in the dining room that throws out a good signal all around the house. Except however my sons PS3 (upstairs) keeps on dropping the connection whilst playing online …
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7y, 8m agoPosted 7 years, 8 months ago
We currently have a wireless router in the dining room that throws out a good signal all around the house. Except however my sons PS3 (upstairs) keeps on dropping the connection whilst playing online games. So I decided to run a telephone cable up into his bedroom, plug the router into this extension socket then hard wire via Ethernet the PS3 into the router. I now have the problem, although the PS3 works well online, the other computers keep on disconnecting from the wifi. (even when one of the comps is literally in the next bedroom)

Any ideas / solutions would be very much appreciated thanks.
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7y, 8m agoPosted 7 years, 8 months ago
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#1
Keep your router downstairs and use a set of home plugs for the PS3
#2
It sounds like you have wi-fi black-spots in your home.

Look into getting a 'rangemax' MIMO router, which makes for better coverage in such circumstances.

As RedIron says tho, getting homeplugs might be a better option.
#3
Could be a number of issue's....

What network hardware as you using, etc ?

Also read this :

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=psnetwork&message.id=201834
#4
Mecoconuts
Could be a number of issue's....

What network hardware as you using, etc ?

Also read this :

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=psnetwork&message.id=201834


I don't think it's PS3 specific, since he moved the router and now the opposite applies.
#5
Ahh thanks guys for the quick response :thumbsup:

O2 Broadband + Bog standard O2 W/Router Thomson F8171C which tbh works a treat until I introduce the PS3.

The home plugs sound interesting where would I buy these + how many would I need ?
#6
zermattbusby
Ahh thanks guys for the quick response :thumbsup:

O2 Broadband + Bog standard O2 W/Router Thomson F8171C which tbh works a treat until I introduce the PS3.

The home plugs sound interesting where would I buy these + how many would I need ?


Just two - one to plug in near your router and one to plug in near the PS3.

You can buy them in twin packs, which makes it easier.
#7
Xb0xGuru
Just two - one to plug in near your router and one to plug in near the PS3.

You can buy them in twin packs, which makes it easier.


These will only work if the two sockets are on the same ring main though.................
#8
zermattbusby;5499367
Ahh thanks guys for the quick response :thumbsup:

O2 Broadband + Bog standard O2 W/Router Thomson F8171C which tbh works a treat until I introduce the PS3.

The home plugs sound interesting where would I buy these + how many would I need ?


PC World, Maplin etc. etc.
#9
dancrawley
These will only work if the two sockets are on the same ring main though.................


A common myth...

http://www.homeplugs.co.uk/acatalog/faqs.html

Would HomePlugs work on different mains circuits in my house (rings) ?

There is a lot of mis-information about this subject on the web - but the answer is Yes - limitations are as follows - the rings or circuits (such as upstairs and downstairs) mains must be on the same fuse box / consumer box. - if you have other configurations just call and we will do our best to advise.


As long as you only have 1 CU (Consumer Unit), there's nothing to worry about.
#10
Keep router vents unblocked free of dust, change channel, if using wireless speakers like Logitech Z-5450 keep away from ps3, as in not underneath it.

make sure there is no issue in firmware so check docs on new firmware and its fixes.
#11
dontasciime
Keep router vents unblocked free of dust, change channel, if using wireless speakers like Logitech Z-5450 keep away from ps3, as in not underneath it.

make sure there is no issue in firmware so check docs on new firmware and its fixes.


He moved the router and the opposite applied - do you want him to check his PC wi-fi firmware now?

OP - what's the signal level on the PCs when you moved the router to the PS3? If it's little to nothing, no amount of channel changing will help - as it stands, we're not talking drastic changing as it'll always be in the 2.4ghz range.
#12
Xb0xGuru
He moved the router and the opposite applied - do you want him to check his PC wi-fi firmware now?

OP - what's the signal level on the PCs when you moved the router to the PS3? If it's little to nothing, no amount of channel changing will help - as it stands, we're not talking drastic changing as it'll always be in the 2.4ghz range.


Signal strengths not as good as it was downstairs.

Would it make any difference that where the Router is plugged in downstairs is as close as poss to where the BT line enters the house. As opposed to plugging it in to a 20 mtr extension cable upstairs.
#13
Xb0xGuru
He moved the router and the opposite applied - do you want him to check his PC wi-fi firmware now?

OP - what's the signal level on the PCs when you moved the router to the PS3? If it's little to nothing, no amount of channel changing will help - as it stands, we're not talking drastic changing as it'll always be in the 2.4ghz range.



lack of power and channel splatter there is a lot of overlap on channels and picking a better /changing channels sometimes is the only thing needed to avoid degradation / disconnections.

And yes he should check the wifi cards in PC if they are all same and have dodgy firmware / dodgy driver that could also do it. He might have bought a job lot or decided to buy 1 get 1 free from some deal or another.

Firmware is there for a reason in most hardware in this case a router to improve stuff maybe he as altered power settings in router.

:lol



http://www.nutsaboutnets.com/performance-wifi/faqs/wifi_did_you_know.htm
#14
Plug a modem/router into the point where phone line comes into house well a modem 4 sure. Where you place a router only after that is connected via network cable to a modem is up to you. Wireless strength is the only thing to worry about then and interference maybe from surroundings.

Are you sure as well that the ps3 wireless is dropping and not just network problems with the ps3 as there are quite a few even when connected to cat5e cable on network.
Eg when you had router downstairs maybe psn was struggling and when you moved it upstairs it was fixed... Probably not but you never know. Apart from you will put it back downstairs and his ps3 will keep disconnecting :)

Try picking a diff channel and keep it off AUTO.


You may have to give in and buy something know to have a lot of power.and to be very good in known blackspot . What is the make of router btw and modem you are using and wireless dongles/pcmcia or built in wifi on laptops etc. Edit I thought I saw you mention it further up :lol Is this def right though Thomson F8171C ? as google only brings up your post
#15
zermattbusby
Signal strengths not as good as it was downstairs.

Would it make any difference that where the Router is plugged in downstairs is as close as poss to where the BT line enters the house. As opposed to plugging it in to a 20 mtr extension cable upstairs.


If your signal quality was so-so before, then a drop in strength will just aid to the dropouts. The problem with 2.4Ghz is just about everything uses it.

The fact you have an ISP provided router means you're probably limited to what you can do with it. I see the only way forward is to look into getting home plugs.
#16
dontasciime
lack of power and channel splatter there is a lot of overlap on channels and picking a better /changing channels sometimes is the only thing needed to avoid degradation / disconnections.

His signal strength has dropped, which is what I would expect to happen. 2.4Ghz is all too common and any nearby devices using the same frequency will cause issues.

dontasciime

And yes he should check the wifi cards in PC if they are all same and have dodgy firmware / dodgy driver that could also do it. He might have bought a job lot or decided to buy 1 get 1 free from some deal or another.
If I didn't know you better, I'd say you were being serious here. A 'buy 1 get 1 free' wifi deal is going to have dodgy firmware or drivers? :roll:

dontasciime

Firmware is there for a reason in most hardware in this case a router to improve stuff maybe he as altered power settings in router.

:lol
It's an ISP supplied router, so very much doubt he'll be able to change much in the way of transmit power.
#17
Right say you buy a product and you happen to buy 2 or 3 of them and they all use firmware 1a and all have a serious bug (so this user may have bought 2 belkin usb 2 dongles that have a fault in dropping connection until firmware updated etc. You must have known what I meant . If not then seriously so be it.

Isp supplied router means nothing. 2 wire was one of the most supplied by bt business and that allows 400 milliwatt power manipulation well mine do.


I only have about 20 modem routers so maybe I am wrong LOL

I dont think his thomson exists though :) Might be cos I am tired and added a number or missed 1 ....


If the antenna come off maybe try higher gain one..don't snap em though :)

Or just run cat5e all over your house like mine.

maybe read these .see if you have any luck http://tinyurl.com/lnzmjb
#18
dontasciime
Right say you buy a product and you happen to buy 2 or 3 of them and they all use firmware 1a and all have a serious bug (so this user may have bought 2 belkin usb 2 dongles that have a fault in dropping connection until firmware updated etc. You must have known what I meant . If not then seriously so be it.


Then the issue would be there before moving the router. You're complicating an issue by suggesting there are other factors at play, when clearly the only thing which is changing is the location of the router.

Router downstairs - poor signal upstairs - PS3 drops out
Router upstairs - poor signal downstairs - PCs drop out.

From this you deduce that the firmware on the PS3 or BOTH wi-fi cards on the computers are at fault?

I'm leaving it there tho - my previous dealings with you has led me to the conclusion that you find it hard to grasp the obvious.:whistling:
banned#19
why not keep router in original spot and run an ethernet cable to the ps3? about £5 for 10m on ebay.

cat5e straight cable I think.
#20
Xb0xGuru
Then the issue would be there before moving the router. You're complicating an issue by suggesting there are other factors at play, when clearly the only thing which is changing is the location of the router.

Router downstairs - poor signal upstairs - PS3 drops out
Router upstairs - poor signal downstairs - PCs drop out.

From this you deduce that the firmware on the PS3 or BOTH wi-fi cards on the computers are at fault?

I'm leaving it there tho - my previous dealings with you has led me to the conclusion that you find it hard to grasp the obvious.:whistling:



You really are a rude and horrible fellow arn't you.


Lets make it simple in that when diagnosing problems you must try things in order to rule them out. One of the first things to try would have been to change channels, then move router to sweet spot where all devices could utilise a steady connection if possible

You have to then look at the wireless hardware this being the router / internal card, the lap top dongles,pcmcia cards or internal wi-fi cards, antenna etc as to why they disconnect, XP software, vista software, the card manufacturer's profile connection software driver / firmware eg search google is it a known fault with firmware x or driver x. (Yes/No) (rule it out , find out that indeed there is an issue with X firmware/driver whereby updating x firmware fixes issues (SOLVED) etc. (Find out there is no problem then move on)

You know you flick light switch to turn on light because it's dark and nothing happens apart from a funny sound. It's still dark, so either bulb has blown, electricity is off . You use some logic to come to a conclusion about why it's not working and the most logical answer is bulb blew, filament burned out?


Anyways there is no complication, you try to get to bottom of why seemingly the router is faulty/ dodgy/ broken whatever by trying stuff. When it don't work you try something else eventually when you have exhausted all the things to try you accept that you need to try a different approach.

Maybe use a wired connection to things that struggle with wireless, maybe a new router with greater range (802.11n) greater power, power is not all though with the signal bouncing a lot.

The ps3 wireless maybe faulty especially if its one of the early 60gb models as my 2 60gb ones are wired especially the one upstairs as it is next to logitech wireless transmitter and does not work as good as it should because of the control pod transmitter being in close proximity to the ps3 wifi card. Changing channels to avoid splatter on them made it a lot better and made it work within specs (but not as good a wi-fi in later ps3 models do in my house) but wireless is too slow for me when streaming so I wired them up to my gigalan network instead.

Wireless is great for clutter free use only IMO.

To the op sorry this thread has turned out like it has and hopefully you will find a sweet spot in your house to place router whereby all wireless devices can maintain a steady connection

Or If you have to buy a new router try and get one that supports the proper implementation of UPnP which will allow you to have 2 ps3,s on psn at same time with good Nat type and equally an Open status on Nat on 2 or more xbox 360's if you had those and would like to use 2 or more on xbox live at same time without issues as there are not many modem/routers around that allow this. Well actualy there are a lot more around now than say 2 to 3 years ago. DLNA media servers and lots of new fangled devices rely on a proper UPnP and trying to get multiple xbox 360's on xbox live simultaneously proved rather difficult with the one port per internal ip restriction and buying lots of modem/routers to try each version of their UPnP gave me 5 or 6 versions that allow it. You may find a d-link 634 router with Mimo ideal for you - if you can find one cheap.
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dontasciime
You really are a rude and horrible fellow arn't you.
No, not rude - I just don't tolerate stupidity.

dontasciime

Lets make it simple in that when diagnosing problems you must try things in order to rule them out.

Absolutely, couldn't agree more. The OP has is router downstairs and the PS3 upstairs is dropping out. He then moved the router upstairs which reduced the signal quality to the PC downstairs so much so it's now dropping out instead.

Deduction: There's insufficient signal (either quality, strength or a combination of both) to service all wifi devices in the property. By moving the router's location, everything else has been eliminated:

Drivers
Protocols
Configuration
Addressing
Routing
etc..

There's nothing else to check as all equipment works when the router is near enough to it.

Solution:
1. Hard wiring Cat5 around the property.
2. Fitting homeplugs at the PS3 and router.
3. Invest in another router which has MIMO technology (which is what I suggested first off). This may be problematic as ISP routers can be tricky in the sense that not all will allow you to change the hardware without breaking service agreements or not having access to the authentication data.

This is all the OP needs to know.
1 Like #22
without reading what you typed fully as I cannot be bothered with you you are too rude and mean and think you are god and giftted=(special) :lol. I was under the impression op moved it upstairs then said next door in bedroom could not get a signal.

1 of my 2 laptops signal drops when only 5 feet away..from my modem/router, but is an issue with the driver - saying as other devices in my sitting room next to modem router work fine, 3 x n95's , psps, ds's other wi-fi equpiment fine. Looks like strength issue though with that laptop report 1mbs connection. (so without moving all PC's laptop dwifi devices into his bedroom then checking to see if they all show signs of not being able to connect , connect at all or for long) it seems to indicate lower db than needed but that also might be down to having settings in wireless section of router altered which has produced a detrimental effect on performance connectivity etc

To op you may be wasting your time (but i am pretty sure you do not want to have to spend money on new equipment unless it's absolutely necessary) but put back router to where you had it originally but if your have been messing on with settings in router then put them back to default or restore settings from aback up to that of when the only device that was struggling was your ps3.

Now start by changing wi-fi channel from AUTO in both router and PS3 and all devices in your house that use wireless and set them all to channel 1 use all wireless devices in house on this channel and see how it goes if it drops out etc on any of the devices 2 or 3 times in says a few hours , really if it does it once a day it's too many times and not right. then try channel 2 if you use up all channels and still the same then buy new equipment or run ps3 wired.

We currently have a wireless router in the dining room that throws out a good signal all around the house. Except however my sons PS3 (upstairs) keeps on dropping the connection whilst playing online games. So I decided to run a telephone cable up into his bedroom, plug the router into this extension socket then hard wire via Ethernet the PS3 into the router. I now have the problem, although the PS3 works well online, the other computers keep on disconnecting from the wifi. (even when one of the comps is literally in the next bedroom)


So the only thing that had the issue was ps3 I assume that when user was in bedroom there was no problem with laptop or PC that uses wireless at this time see op quote above

Therefore the ps3 wi-fi may be that of 60gb model or faulty or just susceptible to dropouts from interference has not as much tolerance to it than other wireless devices in house so therefore change channel. If it don't work then so be it try another still no use. Give up go different route buy cat6 though and good luck with it.
#23
Wow :w00t: sorry guys, not my intention to start WW3 lol :oops:

Many thanks to dontasciime + Xb0xGuru (Rep added) for your continued help and sorry to have caused a few disagreements.

My setup is very basic and all as standard with no mods, ie...

2 x Vostro Laptops (ntel® Pro Wireless 3945 (802.11 a/b/g) MiniPCI Card) + standard issue O2 Thomson wireless Modem Router. Both laptops work flawlessly both in respect of online speed and never dropping the signal, until I moved the Mod/Router upstairs.

Had thought about running a long Ethernet cable upstairs but its not the easiest thing to hide so not an option really

Will probably give the home plugs a try first

Many many thanks again to all that posted.
#24
dontasciime
without reading what you typed fully as I cannot be bothered with you you are too rude and mean


Yeah, I'm a big bad man :roll: - as for not being bothered to read - please. I had to trudge through your last ramblings on uPNP and NAT (why?????). Needless to say I'll ignore the rest of your ramblings.

OP - apologies for turning this into a discussion on wi-fi. It was never my intention and I certainly didn't want to over-complicate matters. I notice you're going to try homeplugs, which I think will be definitely worth a go. The really good thing about them is because they have standard Ethernet sockets and use standard network protocols, nothing ever stops you connecting an Ethernet switch/hub to add more machines to either end at a later date.

Anyways, good luck and hope you get a resolution. :thumbsup:
#25
Yeah, I'm a big bad man - as for not being bothered to read - please. I had to trudge through your last ramblings on uPNP and NAT (why?????). Needless to say I'll ignore the rest of your ramblings*.


If you had any intelligence about you, you would know why " so that any other readers inc op would have known in order to get more than 1 ps3 and more than 1 xbox 360 simultaneously using ports that need to be open to enjoy full network features of games console (eg OPEN NAT STATUS on all machines) to use Upnp in the modem/routers that work as there is no better way to do it and even noway to do it without upnp when you can only ever open a port once to the same internal IP. Especially if for example he did end up buying a new router would be nice to have one that would do the above as it does as I have one and it allows multiple xbox 360 / ps3 with full voice chat / game invites when 2 or more consoles are connected to the live service or psn service. So no Nat type issues that dog most with more than 1 console trying to use network

http://forum.portforward.com/YaBB.cgi?num=1205569477

If you don't understand that not my problem. Try google and strict NAT moderate nat and open, nat type 2 etc . It was not for your benefit anyways and is not your thread. *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mg8m49vSM8
#26
dontasciime
If you had any intelligence about you..


I'll stop you there - the point is I have enough intelligence to know that it's irrelevent in this situation. You're just flexing your e-muscles, quoting NAT and uPNP et al to try and make yourself look bigger. The point is, none of this is relevent for the OPs situation and mentioning it only confuses the issue further.

Now, if YOU had any intelligence you would know this and it would prevent you from posting irrelevent musings. FYI for the last 15 years I've done my fair share of infrastructure and comms, diagnostics, solutions development, system design and network architecture to know about NAT and uPNP, especially when it's best not to include it into irrelevent conversations. I'm sorry you feel threatened intellectually by other people - it's part of life. Get used to it.

I'm unsubscribing from this thread - go spoil someone else's thread.
#27
lol

I am not threatened by you at all nor anyone on this forum, why should I be ? I also have to tell you far from being so up my own (*ss) I will let you know something I learn something everyday from others on here and indeed many other user forums(actually the whole internet) where people are more knowledgeable than me when they are right.

I did not post about Upnp and nat to make myself look big or to confuse (it's called passing on info so it may save someone buying a dud router (especially as Op is looking to buy something to remedy his situation) bearing in mind at that time I did not know his decision to purchase what you recommended when I posted that. ( I also posted keep vents unblocked as wireless devices drop connection when overheated) which is still a possibilty with resent packets over and over on a poor strength network but you had a problem with that as well. (co's you assume you are right)

When you buy stuff you ought to know that having it be able to do as many things as possible is a good thing and that you do not want to have the cost of replacing it to do the things others take for granted.

Thanks. I have learnt something from you and that is "That it is better to be ignored than right"

Now please put me on your ignore list.
#28
If you are using a combined modem/router at minute (which you are) you would need the dlink 624m version and not the router only version 634-m I linked to you on ebay. You could still use the 634-m if the modem/router you have allows to be used just as a modem which the 634-m would plug into to do the routing.


I know you are not going down this route but I STILL had to point out my previous mistake in telling you to get 634-m (which as above would still work as long as you had a modem to plug into it)

If you have already bought it from ebay and you ain't got modem .I will take it off your hands for what you paid and postage to me.

I tried to send this to you via pm but you inbox is full

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