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7y, 10m agoPosted 7 years, 10 months ago
I've a Syrian friend with whom I spoke for hours yesterday about Muslim culture. Something that realy struck me about it is how deeply poetic and beautiful the language is. Everything seems to have some sort of poetry or imagery behind it. We figured that a lot of the culture of poetry seems to be influenced by the Koran, which, from what little I know about it, seems to be a very lyrical book, and it's left me seriously curious to learn more about the Koran, and about the Arabic language and Muslim culture in general.

So, tell me folks, what are your favourite verses or sections from the Koran? And, if you mind not my asking, what do your names mean?

Shukura (which I /think/ is the right word)
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2 Likes #1
Surah, you mean. Sipara etc

There are so many man mine is probably he created a man from the clot of blood etc. DOnt know the full english tranlation

My name is of a prophet
#2
its Qur'an
#3
black gerbil1;4066721
its Qur'an


It can be Qur'an or Koran
#4
Actually BG1 is right. Thats how muslims spell and say it.
#5
I have four copies of the Qur'an and one is titled Koran.
#6
Work out the percantage.

Also is it in english. That is why. Look at all arabic qur'an's thats how it says it.
#7
black gerbil1
its Qur'an


Predikuesi
It can be Qur'an or Koran


Predikuesi
I have four copies of the Qur'an and one is titled Koran.


does it really matter as long as the pronounciation is correct?
1 Like #8
“Allah! There is no god but He – the living, The Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him Nor Sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede In His presence except As he permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creature As) Before or After or Behind them. Nor shall they compass Aught of his knowledge Except as He willeth. His throne doth extend Over the heavens And on earth, and He feeleth No fatigue in guarding And preserving them, For He is the Most High. The supreme (in glory).”
[Surah al-Baqarah 2:255]
#9
black gerbil1
its Qur'an


see.
#10
bargain surfer
does it really matter as long as the pronounciation is correct?


Yes it does as Qur'an and Koran sound different. :thinking:
1 Like #11
my name means success (Faiza)

the mother of all the chapters/verses is the first one Sura Al-Fatiha wich is all about God really and encompassess everything about being a Muslim

In the Name of Allah the Gracious the MErciful
All plraise belongs to Allah
Lord of all the Worlds
The Gracious the Merciful
Master of the day of Judgment
Tee alone do we worship and thee alone do we beseech for help
Guide us on the right path
the path of those on whom thou hast bestowed Thy blesings and not of those who have incurred Your displeasure.
Amen.

very open minded of u to look into different cultures....we should all be like this.
#12
Shukura = i believe dxx is trying to say thankyou or Shukhran Arabic) or even Shukhria (urdu)
1 Like #13
Predikuesi
I have four copies of the Qur'an and one is titled Koran.


Qu'ran is used within the Muslim community but also Koran is also used, OP whole of the Qur'an is the same, the Surah at the end (Chapter 30) are short so may be easy to start off with them?
#14
it doesnt matter how u spell it....seriously guys is this how u present ur religion...uosound arrogant and wanting to fight/squabble every two seconds!! :roll:
#15
It does, next you will say it dont matter if you pray without tajweed etc.
#16
Say, O non-believers
I worship not what you worship.
And nor do you worship what I worship.
And I shall not worship what you worship.
And nor you shall worship what I worship.
For you have your religion and I have mine.

Not sure why, but I like this one. The last line seems to bring it all together.
#17
strike
Yes it does as Qur'an and Koran sound different. :thinking:


sorry i disagree, spelling in original arabic DOES matter, however in translation and Oration etc the Pronounciation is key, as a mis-pronounciation may change the meaning.

magicbeans
it doesnt matter how u spell it....seriously guys is this how u present ur religion...uosound arrogant and wanting to fight/squabble every two seconds!! :roll:


Hear Hear.
please re-read the OP and stay on subject.
#18
strike
It does, next you will say it dont matter if you pray without tajweed etc.

completely different..... strict guidlines are set out for that....no strict guidlines as to how a person pronounce the word Quran. at the end of the day ur not gonna read the arabic as beautifully as an arab or an arab back in the day..we try our best and read accurately but accents will make slight differences to the sound u make to a person half way round the world. if God is ok with it why do u stress?!


bargain surfer
sorry i disagree, spelling in original arabic DOES matter, however in translation and Oration etc the Pronounciation is key, as a mis-pronounciation may change the meaning.



Hear Hear.
please re-read the OP and stay on subject.


+1
1 Like #19
I don't think it matters either because we all now what we are referring to. As I mentioned above, I have four translations of the Qur'an (I'm not Muslim) but the Youseff Ali's one is the easiest to read, though I like Marmaduke Pickthall's version too. One Muslim group in from Jordan sent me a Qur'an and told me that Ali's version was corrupt. :)
The Qur'an is a difficult book to read and get your head around, but that may be largely due to not being an Arabic reader/speaker.

PS. Apologies for any misspelling of authors names. I'm working from memory.
#20
Surah AlRehman

فَبِأَيِّ آلاءِ رَبِّكُمَا تُكَذِّبَانِ
55:13 Then which of the Blessings of your Lord you would deny?

guys answer the question stop confusing my friend ..k or Q doesn't matters ...
#21
Best of luck for ur journey i hope u can find it...

I've meet many convert muslims and they understand Koran better than me as they discovered it and i owned it..

its a worth reading book everyone should read it..as a book/noval whatever way u like..
banned#22
strike
It does, next you will say it dont matter if you pray without tajweed etc.


I could google - but better to ask. What is tajweed?
#23
Jesus is quoted more times than Muhammad in the Qur'an. Fact.
#24
You can get a translated one if you are interested. I have a copy, given to me by a friend after having a similar conversation with him.
#25
guv;4067070
I could google - but better to ask. What is tajweed?


I think it is something to do with regulations and rules governing the reading and reciting of the Qur'an.

:) Willing to stand corrected.
#26
guv
I could google - but better to ask. What is tajweed?


It's pronouncing arabic words correctly.
#27
The JFK
Jesus is quoted more times than Muhammad in the Qur'an. Fact.


And in your ultimate wisdom is it also a fact that the words were uttered by jesus? Or do you mean the same quotations can be found in some bibles :?
banned#28
Abvance
It's pronouncing arabic words correctly.


Hmmm. OK..... so if you cant pronounce correctly its deemed wrong? Seems a little harsh if its not your mother tongue!
#29
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#30
guv
Hmmm. OK..... so if you cant pronounce correctly its deemed wrong? Seems a little harsh if its not your mother tongue!


i dont know if its deemed wromg maybe a muslim can explain but maybe its a tonal language and so have different meanings if pronounced wrong similar to chinese and thai
where as our language is explained in context
#31
guv
Hmmm. OK..... so if you cant pronounce correctly its deemed wrong? Seems a little harsh if its not your mother tongue!


Don't think strike was meant to out tajweed.
There's a number of things you must to do before praying... such as cleansing yourself and having the intention to pray. But pronunciation isn't a must.
#32
Craig david
not wrong but we are tought to pronounce it properly as otherwise it could change the meaning.


jasonrat
i dont know if its deemed wromg maybe a muslim can explain but maybe its a tonal language and so have different meanings if pronounced wrong similar to chinese and thai
where as our language is explained in context


Correct :thumbsup:

Pronouncing a word slightly wrong can give it a whole new meaning.
#33
i work with a guy who is a muslim and i dont think he actually believes anything written in the koran, seems more forced on him than anything else and he just goes throught the motions rather than actually believeing what is wrttin, same with a few of his muslim friends i met when we have hung out outside of work, the can reciept passages and are very wise on what its about, but when you talk to them they dont really show an interest in it, i feel alot of muslim parents OLDER parents force it on the kids that they HAVE to believe what is written and no what they actually feel. No offence intended at all i promise! just saw the thread and thought i would add my 2cents lol
#34
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banned#35
Craig david
not wrong but we are tought to pronounce it properly as otherwise it could change the meaning.


King of Thieves
Don't think strike was meant to out tajweed.
There's a number of things you must to do before praying... such as cleansing yourself and having the intention to pray. But pronunciation isn't a must.


OK cool. Makes sense.

So do most of you read the Qur'an / Koran in English or Arabic? I'd imagine a fair few can do the later, but would be surprised if thats the norm. Be interested to hear though.

Good thread OP.:thumbsup:
#36
scotland88
i work with a guy who is a muslim and i dont think he actually believes anything written in the koran, seems more forced on him than anything else and he just goes throught the motions rather than actually believeing what is wrttin, same with a few of his muslim friends i met when we have hung out outside of work, the can reciept passages and are very wise on what its about, but when you talk to them they dont really show an interest in it, i feel alot of muslim parents OLDER parents force it on the kids that they HAVE to believe what is written and no what they actually feel. No offence intended at all i promise! just saw the thread and thought i would add my 2cents lol


Can't deny that. A lot of my 'Muslim' friends drink and do a lot of other things which they shouldn't.
They just do the religious things they have to do so their family doesn't have a go at them
#37
guv
Hmmm. OK..... so if you cant pronounce correctly its deemed wrong? Seems a little harsh if its not your mother tongue!


From what I understand you must make an effort in regard to pronunciation etc.

Nothing wrong with that concept imo. If you were reading Shakespeare, any decent teacher would expect the same from a pupil. If you are not prepared to try it would show your faith was weak would it not?

You need to give your best:thumbsup:

That's my take on it although I am not Muslim and may be completely wrong here.
#38
King of Thieves
Can't deny that. A lot of my 'Muslim' friends drink and do a lot of other things which they shouldn't.
They just do the religious things they have to do so their family doesn't have a go at them


i dont understand why tbh! my family are all christians and very into it church prayer the full shabbang but tbh i think its all alot of bull! and they know it, i would rather they know than disrespect what my parents believe by pretending that i believe, i am very interested in learning about the muslim way of life, currently reading about muslims and buddhists those two religions really get my brain ticking!
#39
scotland88
i work with a guy who is a muslim and i dont think he actually believes anything written in the koran, seems more forced on him than anything else and he just goes throught the motions rather than actually believeing what is wrttin, same with a few of his muslim friends i met when we have hung out outside of work, the can reciept passages and are very wise on what its about, but when you talk to them they dont really show an interest in it, i feel alot of muslim parents OLDER parents force it on the kids that they HAVE to believe what is written and no what they actually feel. No offence intended at all i promise! just saw the thread and thought i would add my 2cents lol


Proving therefore that BRAINWASHING is not an issue here, I feel sorry for Jehovahs witnesses though.

Also it is not possible to "force" religion upon anyone, however just as education is a "legal requirement" for children in GB, Likewise learning to read and understand the Qur'an is a "legal requirement" for Muslims. What the kids choose to do after is up to them.
#40
guv
OK cool. Makes sense.

So do most of you read the Qur'an / Koran in English or Arabic? I'd imagine a fair few can do the later, but would be surprised if thats the norm. Be interested to hear though.

Good thread OP.:thumbsup:


Most muslims in the UK read it in arabic. But (and it's a big but) they don't understand it. So most of the muslims you see praying don't actually know what they say when they're praying. To them it's just a bunch of sounds.

Can't blame though since most of the Mosques where they go to learn don't teach them the meaning, only the pronunciation. It's one of the biggest flaws of the relegion from a UK perspective, loads of kids have read the Qu'ran/Koran (doesnt matter how you spell it) and they can recite loads of verses but they don't actually understand what it is they're saying.

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