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RANT... Asda carrier bags are going... 5p in Future..

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8y, 6m agoPosted 8 years, 6 months ago
Had a mini arguement, well, maybe discussion in Asda today...

They would not let me have a normal bag??? They only had the 5p plastic and the £1 canvas bags hanging up, they had the old free ones under the counter.. She eventually let me have some for my shopping, but said as from next Monday (May of been Friday) all asda's bags are going to cost 5p each, but can be replaced free of charged if damaged (What happens to the old 5p ones that get brought back? I said, they recycle them, I said why can't standard ones be recycled?? No answer)....

I entered into a discussion, that I always recycle my carrier bags with rubbish in the kitchen, and they are biodegradable (in fact asda's are not!!!!!) and the answer was to buy kitchen waste bags that are biodegradable instead.....

They then played the "We have to be responsable to the enviroment" card... I pointed to the two 2000watt motor revolving doors they have at the front of the store and why they can't just be openings???. That kinda shut her up....

No asda for me in future, Sainsbury's already use FREE biodegradable bags, that if you look on the boxes have use by dates as they disintergrate if left for too long in storage..

I fear we have more to worry about than carrier bags.
I am very carefull re the enviroment, try not to use the car unless I have to, plant loads of plants, and regulary cut the grass to get rid of CO2. I hope we have all noticed that it is no longer called Global warming (Because the planet is currently cooling down year on year like it natually does fluctuate) so we are now calling it climate change????
The planet adapts to change well. We have much bigger problems that carrier bags.
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#1
My local shop now only has the reusable canvas ones at £1 each and no other options. I think most shops will be going down the reusable bag route from now on
#2
Loved the way you argued about the revolving doors. It winds me up when stores have the heating on full blast but prop their doors open???? It's not the little man that needs to make a change. Big companies need to do their bit and not pass the blame on to the consumer.
I didn't know they were going to start charging. Good job i have a stash of bags ready to recycle in my kitchen.
#3
Revolving doors save energy compared to open doors. 4 kW is a small usage anyway.
Bio-degradable isn't the issue here, waste of resources going to landfill is.
Consider life cycle analysis.
etc. etc.
#4
bellabonkers
Loved the way you argued about the revolving doors. It winds me up when stores have the heating on full blast but prop their doors open???? It's not the little man that needs to make a change. Big companies need to do their bit and not pass the blame on to the consumer.
I didn't know they were going to start charging. Good job i have a stash of bags ready to recycle in my kitchen.


My university blasts the heating up at nighttimes especially at the weekend so bad that everyone is sweating even before they start dancing and we all know its a ploy to get people to buy more.
banned#5
Chiptivo,

Next time you go into ASDA or another similar store and they try to charge you extra for taking away the purchases you have bought, e.g. £200 on groceries, leave them behind on the till. They will soon get the message.

Let them invest in a more environmentally friendly option, it's not as if they don't charge it back indirectly.
#6
My local Asda stopped the free bags and people have started just putting the goods back in baskets so the trolley boys now have to collect all the abandoned baskets from all around the car park. I guy just put the basket in his boot and drove off.

As for me I just take my bright orange Sainsburys bag for life to Asda.
#7
aScottishBloke
Chiptivo,

Next time you go into ASDA or another similar store and they try to charge you extra for taking away the purchases you have bought, e.g. £200 on groceries, leave them behind on the till. They will soon get the message.

Let them invest in a more environmentally friendly option, it's not as if they don't charge it back indirectly.


The government has suggested they will take action with law if supermarkets don't...
#8
So Asda are introducing the pay for bag scheme earlier than some of the other stores big woop. 5p is hardly worth crying about. A lot of people already use Bags for Life which is what everyone should be doing anyway.

Going by your logic of the automatic doors I assume you use a manual grass cutter?

I personally feel little can be done at the consumer end of the supply chain, maybe if packaging was made more sparse and with less plastic we'd have less to throw away and more of what we do throw away will be a little more "eco-friendly"

The Climate is changing and not for the better, sure the planet goes through it's cycles however we are causing them to be much more extreme than pre-industrial revolution. Only way we're gonna be saved is a massive geo-engineering project...
#9
aScottishBloke
Chiptivo,

Next time you go into ASDA or another similar store and they try to charge you extra for taking away the purchases you have bought, e.g. £200 on groceries, leave them behind on the till. They will soon get the message.

Let them invest in a more environmentally friendly option, it's not as if they don't charge it back indirectly.



Yes, I thought of that today.. If they would not let me have the "Free under the counter bags" I may of considered leaving the sale and walking out.
I would of been embarrased if a assistant or manager came along and paid for the 5p ones for me, but it is the point...

Sainsbury's carrier bags are made from recycled plastic, and biodegrade within a couple of years..

Landfill is interesting also, I could argue that landfill is not a bad conpromise for our waste. Our local landfill is now a very nice nature reserve, and also provides methane gas for our local cake and biscuit factory.. A win win situation.


Found a quote from asda managment today "We want to make protecting the planet easier and more affordable for our 15m customers."????
With revolving doors, and stadium floodlighting in the stores.
banned#11
pghstochaj
The government has suggested they will take action with law if supermarkets don't...


Good, that's my point. Leave your groceries behind and before you know it the supermarkets will be forcing their 'special' bags upon you 'free of charge'.
#12
pghstochaj
The government has suggested they will take action with law if supermarkets don't...



This govenment is really struggleing and we are getting a bit fed up with being told what to do.. I would guess they would be putting this on hold... A bag tax that they are thinking of introducing will not be put forward until after the next general election.
#13
Sorry, but you misunderstand the situation. Firstly, plastic bags are not "recycled" - they are re-used in a technical definition, a lower step in the waste hierarchy and thus less preferred. It is a finite resource being wasted, compared to genuine recycling (laymen's term: reusing your bag). The sainsburys bags are 33% reused (technical definition), thus far from being sustainable, that's the problem with polymers, difficult to reuse.

Unfortunately you can't argue that, hence why the landfill directive exists, new landfill taxes and the year on year increase and the absolute lack of volume left in landfill, it simply doesn't exist anymore. Your biodegrading plastic bags adds nothing to calorific values in a waste-to-energy system.

Government has quite rightly said, self-reg or we will reg you. Asda are doing the right thing for the world.

I have been in asdas at night and main lighting is turned off for energy saving. Again, revolving doors lower convective heat transfer and are of benefit.

The major place that supermarkets could improve is the refrigeration systems. They are very inefficient due to the boundary defined, cooling and heating itself constantly, with AC cooling the shop.

Personally I am happy to recycle bags (technical definition) and don't see the problem.

Chiptivo
Yes, I thought of that today.. If they would not let me have the "Free under the counter bags" I may of considered leaving the sale and walking out.
I would of been embarrased if a assistant or manager came along and paid for the 5p ones for me, but it is the point...

Sainsbury's carrier bags are made from recycled plastic, and biodegrade within a couple of years..

Landfill is interesting also, I could argue that landfill is not a bad conpromise for our waste. Our local landfill is now a very nice nature reserve, and also provides methane gas for our local cake and biscuit factory.. A win win situation.


Found a quote from asda managment today "We want to make protecting the planet easier and more affordable for our 15m customers."????
With revolving doors, and stadium floodlighting in the stores.
#14
Chiptivo
This govenment is really struggleing and we are getting a bit fed up with being told what to do.. I would guess they would be putting this on hold... A bag tax that they are thinking of introducing will not be put forward until after the next general election.


How innocent. Do you really not think this would be another good way for the current administration to 'throw' the next election? Lets face it, they know they won't win so will now try to cause as much trouble for the next lot as they can :giggle:
#15
Chiptivo
This govenment is really struggleing and we are getting a bit fed up with being told what to do.. I would guess they would be putting this on hold... A bag tax that they are thinking of introducing will not be put forward until after the next general election.


It's not really their fault that the UK population is a lot slower at undertanding sustainability than the rest of the civilised world.
#16
pghstochaj
It's not really their fault that the UK population is a lot slower at undertanding sustainability than the rest of the civilised world.


As Homer Simpson once said : “Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.”

Go Homer, Go Homer......
#17
I believe it's a great idea... I fully support it.

And the plastic bags are only fully biodegradable when they in the ground with certain chemicals within the soil, it alsoo has to be a high humid temperature which of course over here is heard to come by.

Over here in Britain it takes up to 100 years for one bag to fully degrade.
#18
ade2j
I believe it's a great idea... I fully support it.

And the plastic bags are only fully biodegradable when they in the ground with certain chemicals within the soil, it alsoo has to be a high humid temperature which of course over here is heard to come by.

Over here in Britain it takes up to 100 years for one bag to fully degrade.


Two words...

Disposable Nappies.

Forget carrier bags, they're the REAL issue imho.
#19
They're both issues, modern waste techniques will not deal with either very well, so pre-sorting or post-collection sorting is necessary, unless people get in the habit that plastic bags are a resource. A quick resources study of the amount of oil being thrown away per tonne of waste shows just how wasteful we are. We either choose to care now, get forced to care or refuse and see what a world is like without resources, our call.
#20
Disposable Nappies are a joke also...
banned#21
Shengis
Two words...

Disposable Nappies.

Forget carrier bags, they're the REAL issue imho.


lol, I'd pay a tenner per disposable nappy rather than wash them if I had to, Used to get really peed aff wi the granny who always went on about about using proper nappies whilst nearly harpooning ma poor wee lassie anytime she stopped over.

Back to your point though, yes, a potential gold mine for any manufacturer who can come up with a disposable alternative :thumbsup:
#22
aScottishBloke
lol, I'd pay a tenner per disposable nappy rather than wash them if I had to, Used to get really peed aff wi the granny who always went on about about using proper nappies whilst nearly harpooning ma poor wee lassie anytime she stopped over.

Back to your point though, yes, a potential gold mine for any manufacturer who can come up with a disposable alternative :thumbsup:

you dont have to use terry toweling nappies now :) you can buy better shapped ones that fasten with velcro and have a linner in you throw away with the nasty poopy stuff lol. Mind you i havent ever come accros one that is as absorbent as a disposable and boy do the cloth ones make your babies bum look big lol
#23
pghstochaj
We either choose to care now, get forced to care or refuse and see what a world is like without resources, our call.


I choose option 3:thumbsup:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming
#24
GAVINLEWISHUKD
My local Asda stopped the free bags and people have started just putting the goods back in baskets so the trolley boys now have to collect all the abandoned baskets from all around the car park. I guy just put the basket in his boot and drove off.

As for me I just take my bright orange Sainsburys bag for life to Asda.

z'at arnold?

we still go to hyson green.
#25
Shengis
Two words...

Disposable Nappies.

Forget carrier bags, they're the REAL issue imho.




True, hate seeing people putting these in the bin :x
#26
owlass
True, hate seeing people putting these in the bin :x


What get s me about it is that your dustbin man has to pick up and transport human waste. That's out of order. How unhygienic.

Still, as i've said before, as a Pastafarian I do my bit for global warming...

http://www.vincentchow.net/images/piracyglobalwarming.jpg
#27
Love the pic :)
#28
pghstochaj

The major place that supermarkets could improve is the refrigeration systems. They are very inefficient due to the boundary defined, cooling and heating itself constantly, with AC cooling the shop.


The Co-operative Group are using new technology that uses the waste heat from the refrigeration units to heat/cool the store saving huge amounts of energy. I was involved in the piloting of the system and was very successful and now the other supermarkets are looking into the system.
#29
Asda will reverse the decision as soon as it hit them in the profits and it certainly will, no loyalty scheme + paying for bags = shop at Tesco.
#30
Yup, i'll be going to Sainsburys for my shopping in future.

If we have to bring our own bags, why not have to bring our own trolleys too!
#31
jocksteeluk
Asda will reverse the decision as soon as it hit them in the profits and it certainly will, no loyalty scheme + paying for bags = shop at Tesco.


Unlikely, they are after all... The green supermarket.

http://www.friendsofqueensmarket.org.uk/users/www.friendsofqueensmarket.org.uk/upload/asda-350.jpg

:giggle:
#32
jocksteeluk
Asda will reverse the decision as soon as it hit them in the profits and it certainly will, no loyalty scheme + paying for bags = shop at Tesco.


I guarantee you the money you save on carrier bags at Tesco will not even remotely cover the increase in your shopping bill.

Cut your nose to spite your face if you will but at least think about it, and in any case Tesco will have to do something similar soon.
Morrissons are bringing out a chargable bag very soon also.

As has already been said they are being forced into charging for carriers by the government, Some of us will remember when supermarkets actually did charge for carriers anyway, it wasn't that long ago. The charge should never have been dropped as all it did was add more money onto everyones shopping bill and create laziness and excess.

There are some simple methods you can use to make life simpler one being to carry some fold down storage boxes in the boot ready for when you do a big shop.
A little bit of imagination will provide other solutions. :thumbsup: :)
#33
A maciator van should go round collecting all used nappies and shred it all up to make argos and ikea furniture because it's all sh**
banned#34
they haven't really advertised the fact they are going to charge for them, they have always been free, so surely they need some sort of sign before they can charge for bags?
#35
I thought all supermarkets were 'having' to do this because the government told them to or they would be forced to?
#36
GAVINLEWISHUKD
The Co-operative Group are using new technology that uses the waste heat from the refrigeration units to heat/cool the store saving huge amounts of energy. I was involved in the piloting of the system and was very successful and now the other supermarkets are looking into the system.


I'll look into it. At the moment the loop is about as inefficient as it could be and it needed isolation of the cooling loops to atmosphere, or use of waste heat as you have said.
#37
If any supermarket pulls that **** on me, I'll be leaving my trolley load of stuff at the checkout, which the staff can have a nice time putting back on the shelves.
#38
I was just in Asda, and the lady on the till had the 'free' bags under the counter and packed them for me (I only had one to reuse in my bag). She told me that from the 1st June there will be no more 'free' bags in any Asda - just the ones you pay for and reuse. She also told me that this will apply to ALL supermarkets and even shops like garden centres ... I will see if I can find out any more about this as it really hasn't been well publicised.
#39
Didn't get charged in Asda on Saturday for bags,so must just come in this wk.
For a while now most of the time I've been taking bags to shops,I been doing it at Aldi cos they always charged,most of time I get groceries online.
M&S have stated for a while now they be charging for bags,hence they were giving them otu free up until the other wk or 2 bk.
We just need to be organised and take the bags with us.If you going by car,then I don't see the problem in keeping some in there all the time.
#40
Asda have been planning to do this for a while, there have been notices up telling customers this. They was going to introduce this in June but they have brought it forward. If you have a problem with it you should speak to a manager not moan at the staff on the tills.

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