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Ok I am tempted to see how far I can take this. We moved into this house a year ago, and the Council has been sending warnings for us to sign up to the Electoral Roll for many months. I have been f… Read More
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9m, 2w agoPosted 9 months, 2 weeks ago
Ok I am tempted to see how far I can take this.

We moved into this house a year ago, and the Council has been sending warnings for us to sign up to the Electoral Roll for many months. I have been flat out ignoring it as I have no desire to vote (my decision, berate me all you want but it won't make a difference)

Anyway, we have this house in our name, the mortgage from the bank, many insurances, gas and electricity companies know we exist in this house, we pay out council tax...but the Council wants to know who lives here or we get £1,000 fine.

Can someone explain how a fine isn't one massive scam? And WHY is it mandatory to register to vote when I have zero desire to?
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9m, 2w agoPosted 9 months, 2 weeks ago
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4 Likes #1
It is massive scam. I argued the toss with them and all the response I got was 'we will fine you then'. I expect many people don't, I think there is a lower fine of about £80. Perhaps arguing with them wasn't clever, it just alerted them to the fact I didn't want to comply.

In the end I gave in, because as you say, they know who I am from council tax anyway and who can afford a fine? The way they treat data disgusts me though.
banned 1 Like #2
Guess they could fine you multiple times over the years. Just sign up.
3 Likes #3
You are legally obliged to register. It's the law. It takes 5 minutes to do and should you ever wish, in the future, to vote, then you can.

You need to be on the electoral register to vote in all UK elections and referendums. You are not automatically registered even if you pay council tax.

If you receive a request for your registration information from your local electoral registration office then you are legally obliged to respond. If you do not respond you could face a fine of up to £1,000.

It is an offence to knowingly give false information and you could face a fine of up to £5,000 and/or up to six months in prison. If you do not make an application for registration when required to do so, you could face a fine of £80.

Some people also register to vote because they want to apply for credit. This is because credit reference agencies use the register to confirm where someone lives when they apply for credit in order to counteract fraud.


https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote


Edited By: artnada on Oct 09, 2016 12:32
2 Likes #4
I registered when I first moved into my property 10 years ago. Every year they ask me again to confirm who lives at my property and up until last year, I obliged. I just throw the paperwork in the bin now. Bloody idiots.
1 Like #5
It seems very inconsistent and immature to be binding in law to register but not binding in law to vote (since the fitness for purpose and outcome is democracy through voting rather than mere registration).
4 Likes #6
moneysavingkitten
It is massive scam. I argued the toss with them and all the response I got was 'we will fine you then'. I expect many people don't, I think there is a lower fine of about £80. Perhaps arguing with them wasn't clever, it just alerted them to the fact I didn't want to comply.
In the end I gave in, because as you say, they know who I am from council tax anyway and who can afford a fine? The way they treat data disgusts me though.

Some woman from the council armed with a clipboard threatened me with a £80 fine, I threatened her with an invoice for wasting my time and told her she wasn't invited, didn't have an appointment, wasn't welcome and thus was trespassing on my property. Funnily enough ever since I had a 15ft high fence I haven't been bothered by council door knockers or other randoms that knock on your door.

Edited By: DKLS on Oct 09, 2016 12:52
1 Like #7
Dont play their game its all about control!
banned 9 Likes #8
gypsyboy
Dont play their game its all about control!

Well we know you don't pay it just from your username. X)

Edited By: MrScotchBonnet on Oct 09, 2016 12:57
#9
It is not only Credit reference agencies that use the register. So do debt recovery agencies to easily track down credit defaulters

When you move address it is difficult for debt recovery agencies to track down credit defaulters. The only legal means they have to track down defaulters is by accessing the electoral register.

I also know for a fact that some big companies share information with debt recovery agencies. You might say buy a television on line for home delivery. Then soon after stsrt receiving debt letters from an old address years old. They share information.

It is law that one registers on the electoral role. However I do understand why some people would prolong registering for as long as humanely possible before invoking a fine.

I know of people who have been tracked down for debt nearly 20 years old on HP agreements on a Car. Debt recovery companies will still try it on. Even though after 6 years if you have paid nothing, simply download a template, send them a recorded delivery letter telling them off your rights and their limitations.

(Statute barred debt refers to a debt that's not enforceable because the time a creditor has to chase payment has passed. This is outlined under the Limitation Act 1980).
3 Likes #10
current list of people registered to vote at my address includes...

Hugh Mungus, Mike Hunt, Amanda Huggenkiss, Ben Dover & Tess Tickles :D
banned#11
I don't remember ever voting. The system is rigged anyway.
#12
DarkEnergy2012
current list of people registered to vote at my address includes...
Hugh Mungus, Mike Hunt, Amanda Huggenkiss, Ben Dover & Tess Tickles :D

I'm registered as Norma Stitz.
#13
Ive not been avoiding sending back the
Forms on purpose, I fill it in straight away then forget to post it, but twice now they have come to my door personally to make me fill one in. There's no avoiding them
2 Likes #14
It comes with prepaid envelope and involves ticking two boxes
come on folks
In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve
#15
I keep getting these 'IMPORTANT REMINDER' letters as well. I don't really know what to do, though - I'm registered, but my lodger isn't, and he doesn't care enough about voting to put himself on the roll. I can just continue to ignore the letters, can't I? I own the property and pick up mail addressed to The Occupier, but it's not like it's my responsibility to register anyone living at my property, is it?
2 Likes #16
just put Roger Lodger...I sent one back with Armitage Shanks on it a few years ago 8)

dxx
I keep getting these 'IMPORTANT REMINDER' letters as well. I don't really know what to do, though - I'm registered, but my lodger isn't, and he doesn't care enough about voting to put himself on the roll. I can just continue to ignore the letters, can't I? I own the property and pick up mail addressed to The Occupier, but it's not like it's my responsibility to register anyone living at my property, is it?
6 Likes #17
If you do not chose to vote you should give up you democratic right to complain when decisions are made that affect you.
#18
archiepemberton1
DarkEnergy2012
current list of people registered to vote at my address includes...
Hugh Mungus, Mike Hunt, Amanda Huggenkiss, Ben Dover & Tess Tickles :D
I'm registered as Norma Stitz.
shouldn't that be E. Norma Stitz :p
1 Like #19
Ignore it, they know who lives there from the council tax payments, as above its only so they can sell details to other third party companies, which they do!
6 Likes #20
While members are queuing up to post "smart" comments :( it should be borne in mind that not being on the electoral register can knock your credit score down by up to 30% . All for not ticking a couple of boxes .. Hmmmm - who's smart now when it comes round to applying for a mortgage etc etc ?
6 Likes #21
It's not the council who require this, it's the government . It's the law and the council must enforce it . If you don't like it then you will have to look at getting the law changed . But then that would involve voting and you don't do that . By deciding not to vote you are opting out the democratic process so you will just have to go along with the decision and pay the fine or fill in the form
#22
Funny I was the same refused for ages then two people actually came to my door and demand I Sign ect said if I didn't that they would be taking me to court ....signed like a shot
1 Like #23
I'm not interested in your voting issues, Op, I'd just like to take up your invite to berate you; I rate you 'B'.

Yes, I'm bored. :(
1 Like #24
rogparki
While members are queuing up to post "smart" comments :( it should be borne in mind that not being on the electoral register can knock your credit score down by up to 30% . All for not ticking a couple of boxes .. Hmmmm - who's smart now when it comes round to applying for a mortgage etc etc ?

What is this 'credit' that you speak of?

Not everyone needs or wants it.
#25
It also pees me off that they ask so frequently. It seems to be every 3 or 4 months. I strongly feel it has nothing to do with voting and everything to do with them checking you are paying the right amount of tax. As well as all the data selling implications.

Such a waste of paper, time, money and energy. It's nearly as bad as the TV licence letters.

Edited By: moneysavingkitten on Oct 09, 2016 20:37
#26
moneysavingkitten
rogparki
While members are queuing up to post "smart" comments :( it should be borne in mind that not being on the electoral register can knock your credit score down by up to 30% . All for not ticking a couple of boxes .. Hmmmm - who's smart now when it comes round to applying for a mortgage etc etc ?
What is this 'credit' that you speak of?
Not everyone needs or wants it.
True- but most would like a mortgage maybe one day, a lower rate on a credit card etc - all more obtainable by just having your name on the electoral register . Tick a couple of boxes ,put in the post box (you can even do it online in 20 secs . Its a no brainer to me oO We're not Australia where you get fined for not voting !
#27
rogparki
moneysavingkitten
rogparki
While members are queuing up to post "smart" comments :( it should be borne in mind that not being on the electoral register can knock your credit score down by up to 30% . All for not ticking a couple of boxes .. Hmmmm - who's smart now when it comes round to applying for a mortgage etc etc ?
What is this 'credit' that you speak of?
Not everyone needs or wants it.
True- but most would like a mortgage maybe one day, a lower rate on a credit card etc - all more obtainable by just having your name on the electoral register . Tick a couple of boxes ,put in the post box (you can even do it online in 20 secs . Its a no brainer to me oO We're not Australia where you get fined for not voting !

So put your name on when you want a mortgage. No need the rest of the time.
2 Likes #28
tryn2help
I'm not interested in your voting issues, Op, I'd just like to take up your invite to berate you; I rate you 'B'.
Yes, I'm bored. :(
If in doubt make a cup of tea
http://i.imgur.com/ObUEv7V.gif?1
1 Like #29
moneysavingkitten
It also pees me off that they ask so frequently. It seems to be every 3 or 4 months. I strongly feel it has nothing to do with voting and everything to do with them checking you are paying the right amount of tax. As well as all the data selling implications.

Such a waste of paper, time, money and energy. It's nearly as bad as the TV licence letters.
It is once a year
they also send them out before the #vh#=# elections (_;)
and how on earth would it affect your credit rating if you read the letter and check the box is ticked
to say you are not on the edited register ?(yes I agree it should not exist)

Edited By: thewongwing101 on Oct 09, 2016 20:52
1 Like #30
thewongwing101
moneysavingkitten
It also pees me off that they ask so frequently. It seems to be every 3 or 4 months. I strongly feel it has nothing to do with voting and everything to do with them checking you are paying the right amount of tax. As well as all the data selling implications.
Such a waste of paper, time, money and energy. It's nearly as bad as the TV licence letters.
It is once a year
they also send them out before the #vh#=# elections (_;)
and how on earth would it affect your credit rating if you read the letter and check the box is ticked
to say you are not on the edited register ?(yes I agree it should not exist)

They seem to stack up, I shredded three of the yesterday (I confirm by phone).

Not sure about the other stuff.
#31
thewongwing101
moneysavingkitten
It also pees me off that they ask so frequently. It seems to be every 3 or 4 months. I strongly feel it has nothing to do with voting and everything to do with them checking you are paying the right amount of tax. As well as all the data selling implications.
Such a waste of paper, time, money and energy. It's nearly as bad as the TV licence letters.
It is once a year
they also send them out before the #vh#=# elections (_;)
and how on earth would it affect your credit rating if you read the letter and check the box is ticked
to say you are not on the edited register ?(yes I agree it should not exist)
Not my call , just check on MSE , ways to improve your Credit Rating , Ensure you are on the Electoral register oO . Sorry but it appears to be a fact . If you don't like it don't do it - we all have choices /

Edited By: rogparki on Oct 09, 2016 21:16
1 Like #32
moneysavingkitten
It is massive scam. I argued the toss with them and all the response I got was 'we will fine you then'. I expect many people don't, I think there is a lower fine of about £80. Perhaps arguing with them wasn't clever, it just alerted them to the fact I didn't want to comply.

In the end I gave in, because as you say, they know who I am from council tax anyway and who can afford a fine? The way they treat data disgusts me though.


if you don't want to vote perhaps you could have that right permanently removed since you don't appreciate those who died for your privilege.
#33
Wow, was waiting for these haha! X)

"If you do not chose to vote you should give up you democratic right to complain when decisions are made that affect you."

Love it.

ANYWAY.

I had to sign up in my old residence for Electoral Roll, or they wouldnt give me a mortgage for my current house, flat out refused! That may just be HSBC though, but last year this was mandatory.
1 Like #34
DKLS
moneysavingkitten
It is massive scam. I argued the toss with them and all the response I got was 'we will fine you then'. I expect many people don't, I think there is a lower fine of about £80. Perhaps arguing with them wasn't clever, it just alerted them to the fact I didn't want to comply.
In the end I gave in, because as you say, they know who I am from council tax anyway and who can afford a fine? The way they treat data disgusts me though.
Some woman from the council armed with a clipboard threatened me with a £80 fine, I threatened her with an invoice for wasting my time and told her she wasn't invited, didn't have an appointment, wasn't welcome and thus was trespassing on my property. Funnily enough ever since I had a 15ft high fence I haven't been bothered by council door knockers or other randoms that knock on your door.

Did you make your neighbours pay for your fence?

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