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Sign this, Let us get a grip on these publicly funded troughers. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/170686 Read More
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Sign this, Let us get a grip on these publicly funded troughers.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/170686
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banned 5 Likes
Do you know how many times the Lords have saved us from stupid laws & legislation passed by the Commons?

Loads of times & thank God it exists.

Stupid petition.
5 Likes
Strange how this comes up just at a time when the media bring to the attention of the masses what the House of Lords do and that they might do something some people won't like - the people that don't like it want a petition to change system.

The fact that lots of things they do like or didn't want to happen only did or didn't happen because of the house of lords is beside the point I guess..

The last few years have proven long what I have known to be true - a little knowledge is far more dangerous than no knowledge.

People now are deciding to act and stand up for things on the back of 5% of a story, or worse Alt. Facts.

Bananas are straight because of Brussels so lets leave Europe.

Sweden is being bombed.

House of lords are unelected. Its undemocratic.

I suspect this trend will go on and on as people aren't learning from their mistakes..

The big red bus should have been the thing that swung UK politics back into the realms of at least half truths... half truths is where it should be and always has been but now we are in a time when its ok to lie and people don't care and still stand by the liars.

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#1
And replace them with more civil servants? What would be the point?
1 Like #2
They maybe old 'troughers' but they do provide a safety net against some of the more draconian laws that parliament has tried to pass. If you move to a elected body you will have a elected body along the same party lines as parliament. That is if you can even get people to vote in the first place.
3 Likes #3
Signed. Safety net my ****. Many ways to provide that. 800 old back-scratchers are by far the worst option :{
2 Likes #4
A petition that will have to go through parliament for them to pass.. Which in turn will have to be passed by House of Lords themselves.. Yeah probably not.
#5
In other news...
#6
In other news...
4 Likes #7
I'm not signing it purely because it's sounds like you're ordering me to. And no one tells me what to do.

Apart from, ultimately, the house of lords.
#8
Vanderlust
Signed. Safety net my ****. Many ways to provide that. 800 old back-scratchers are by far the worst option :{

No, a another directly elected group would definitely be a worse than the current house of lords. Just look at the UK's MEPs.
4 Likes #9
£300 a day plus expenses,And For every £10 an MP spends on lunch, the public contributes £7.60 , And then times that by 760 troughers who are probably worth millions any way and it comes to £228,000 a day, That is well over a million pounds per week, So £50 million plus per year for **** scratching kipping and yawning and today i had one of my back teeth ripped out because it was infected and making me really ill, And when i asked for pain killers and antibiotics from the dentist she said you can buy them because we are saving money for the NHS, I am so angry i feel like committing mass terrorism on this vile **** system of clowns running this quagmire we have in this rapidly declining ****, I think it is time for very rough men to rise up in millions :(
#10
yeah same old petitions...I don't need a time machine to know nothing will change...but that's ok because I don't want it to.
banned 5 Likes #11
Do you know how many times the Lords have saved us from stupid laws & legislation passed by the Commons?

Loads of times & thank God it exists.

Stupid petition.
1 Like #12
I for one wont be signing this. Yes the lords has loads of members who add no value, But IF you were to actually look into who is awarded a place in the HOL these days you would see that there are lots of people in there who are top of their field at what ever their career was/is. Yes we haven't got rid of the dead wood just yet. Also I dislike the giving places to the current PM's pals ect and all that. I don't want to see a publicly elected lords .....Im afraid the public have not been to great at voting in suitable people to posts just lately.....I know some people would want them replaced with an X-Factor style public phone in winner system lol but not for me.
We have 000's of years of knowledge and experience in that chamber and they are in the main very clever people. The place just needs a bit of reform including how they are paid.
5 Likes #13
Strange how this comes up just at a time when the media bring to the attention of the masses what the House of Lords do and that they might do something some people won't like - the people that don't like it want a petition to change system.

The fact that lots of things they do like or didn't want to happen only did or didn't happen because of the house of lords is beside the point I guess..

The last few years have proven long what I have known to be true - a little knowledge is far more dangerous than no knowledge.

People now are deciding to act and stand up for things on the back of 5% of a story, or worse Alt. Facts.

Bananas are straight because of Brussels so lets leave Europe.

Sweden is being bombed.

House of lords are unelected. Its undemocratic.

I suspect this trend will go on and on as people aren't learning from their mistakes..

The big red bus should have been the thing that swung UK politics back into the realms of at least half truths... half truths is where it should be and always has been but now we are in a time when its ok to lie and people don't care and still stand by the liars.
#14
joanddan7
I suspect this trend will go on and on as people aren't learning from their mistakes.
You make some very good points, but this one in particular stands out above all.
Re; the House of Commons.


I'm old enough to have seen so many generations of bright young politicians with their 'new' ideas come into office and start tearing down the last lots' implementations and erecting their own.

The trouble is none of it is ever 'new' - worse still, it's not even the 'tried and tested' it's the 'tried, tested and failed' policies of previous incumbents.


None of them bring anything new, we simply lurch from one failed system to another failed system.


Thankfully, most people in the Lords are also old enough to have seen all this 'newness' before, and they know full well how it all goes.

Edited By: tryn2help on Feb 22, 2017 11:02
1 Like #15
"Meet the Lords" (3 part series starting next monday - BBC2 [I think[).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/21/peer-kept-taxi-running-claiming-300-house-lords-allowance/
#16
tryn2help
joanddan7
I suspect this trend will go on and on as people aren't learning from their mistakes.
You make some very good points, but this one in particular stands out above all.
Re; the House of Commons.
I'm old enough to have seen so many generations of bright young politicians with their 'new' ideas come into office and start tearing down the last lots' implementations are erecting their own.
The trouble is none of it is ever 'new' - worse still, it's not even the 'tried and tested' it's the 'tried, tested and failed' policies of previous incumbents.
None of them bring anything new, we simply lurch from one failed system to another failed system.
Thankfully, most people in the Lords are also old enough to have seen all this 'newness' before, and they know full well how it all goes.

That is the thing really, nothing is ever new really, not when it comes to big decisions - and society is the same, we have time and time again had the same backlash over the same things...

"Foreigners taking our jobs" for example is not a new thing and was still a thing over a 100 years ago.

People are always looking for someone to blame for something.

I saw a sign at a protest (I saw it on TV not in person) - saying "I am angry I just don't know why!" and that sums it up - people need to be signing petitions and getting angry at something.

This is both on the left and the right side, obviously it gets worse the further each side you go.

In the house of lords there are plenty of people I don't like and don't agree with - however when they are removed from the democratic system it seems to me many of them actually become more sensible, more grounded and actually seem to remember why they got into politics in the first place.

Either way - it's clear rushing any sort of exit is foolish and will obviously result in either a bad deal or taking a deal we don't understand. (sounds impossible but with May seemingly in such a rush I can see mistakes being made).
#17
Glamwampam
£300 a day plus expenses,And For every £10 an MP spends on lunch, the public contributes £7.60 , And then times that by 760 troughers who are probably worth millions any way and it comes to £228,000 a day, That is well over a million pounds per week, So £50 million plus per year for **** scratching kipping and yawning and today i had one of my back teeth ripped out because it was infected and making me really ill, And when i asked for pain killers and antibiotics from the dentist she said you can buy them because we are saving money for the NHS, I am so angry i feel like committing mass terrorism on this vile **** system of clowns running this quagmire we have in this rapidly declining ****, I think it is time for very rough men to rise up in millions :(
You ought to be careful what you say, we don't need more money wasted investigating the author of comments like that, which hopefully are just you blowing off steam.
1 Like #18
Glamwampam is now on the USA's ' no fly list'
2 Likes #19
Have you ever noticed when they need to implement cuts they never look to their own.
#20
tryn2help
joanddan7
I suspect this trend will go on and on as people aren't learning from their mistakes.
You make some very good points, but this one in particular stands out above all.
Re; the House of Commons.


I'm old enough to have seen so many generations of bright young politicians with their 'new' ideas come into office and start tearing down the last lots' implementations and erecting their own.

The trouble is none of it is ever 'new' - worse still, it's not even the 'tried and tested' it's the 'tried, tested and failed' policies of previous incumbents.


None of them bring anything new, we simply lurch from one failed system to another failed system.


Thankfully, most people in the Lords are also old enough to have seen all this 'newness' before, and they know full well how it all goes.


local councillors seem to have got this process off to a fine art.
#21
tryn2help
joanddan7
I suspect this trend will go on and on as people aren't learning from their mistakes.
You make some very good points, but this one in particular stands out above all.
Re; the House of Commons.
I'm old enough to have seen so many generations of bright young politicians with their 'new' ideas come into office and start tearing down the last lots' implementations and erecting their own.
The trouble is none of it is ever 'new' - worse still, it's not even the 'tried and tested' it's the 'tried, tested and failed' policies of previous incumbents.None of them bring anything new, we simply lurch from one failed system to another failed system.
Thankfully, most people in the Lords are also old enough to have seen all this 'newness' before, and they know full well how it all goes.
It's strange how society demands a person needs to be fully qualified in order to do even the most menial jobs.

More difficult professions demand a full house of straight A's and a 'First' in University degree.

Yet, the most fully qualified of all people - those who have spent all their lives 'being there and doing that' are dismissed by society as 'old dodderers'.
#22
Not signed

The vast majority of members of a directly elected upper house would invariably end up towing the party line. The result would be that when one party has the majority in both houses, near enough every vote would go through unopposed rendering the whole thing pointless. The current system isn't ideal but it's better than the alternative.
#23
It's just too easy to fool common public ppl give vote anyone who smile at them, or speak nicely. The democracy is just a fancy name we still being told who gonna rule us and what we should be doing.
1 Like #24
Signed.
1 Like #25
YouDontWantToKnow
Do you know how many times the Lords have saved us from stupid laws & legislation passed by the Commons?
Loads of times & thank God it exists.
Stupid petition.

It does not need almost 900 Lords on £300 a day to do that.
#26
Nothing ever changes in this country because the British public feel more secure in life knowing their place in society and by being ruled over.
We have always done what we are told to do and anyone that dares challenge this is punished by the system and is ridiculed by the British public or is that the British Sheepeople?
#27
tryn2help
tryn2help
joanddan7
I suspect this trend will go on and on as people aren't learning from their mistakes.
You make some very good points, but this one in particular stands out above all.
Re; the House of Commons.
I'm old enough to have seen so many generations of bright young politicians with their 'new' ideas come into office and start tearing down the last lots' implementations and erecting their own.
The trouble is none of it is ever 'new' - worse still, it's not even the 'tried and tested' it's the 'tried, tested and failed' policies of previous incumbents.None of them bring anything new, we simply lurch from one failed system to another failed system.
Thankfully, most people in the Lords are also old enough to have seen all this 'newness' before, and they know full well how it all goes.
It's strange how society demands a person needs to be fully qualified in order to do even the most menial jobs.
More difficult professions demand a full house of straight A's and a 'First' in University degree.
Yet, the most fully qualified of all people - those who have spent all their lives 'being there and doing that' are dismissed by society as 'old dodderers'.
No one is dismissing anyone as 'old dodderers' It is the £300 a day that is disgusting and the fact that some turn up leave the taxi running and sign in and then jump back in the taxi and others who turn up for an hour or such like to claim the cash, Most people in the outreaches of the real world in Britain do not earn £300 after work expenses for a week of really hard tiring graft in all weathers outside and other nightmare jobs, The system of work and reward is so pathetic and criminal and thick that it must be completely overhauled, If not the political class and business class will have to be removed by force.
banned#28
landros1
YouDontWantToKnow
Do you know how many times the Lords have saved us from stupid laws & legislation passed by the Commons?
Loads of times & thank God it exists.
Stupid petition.
It does not need almost 900 Lords on £300 a day to do that.

So the petition should be to cut the numbers & funding NOT to create an elected 2nd house.

An elected 2nd house defeats the need for a 2nd house as it would just mirror the Commons.
#29
Glamwampam
tryn2help
tryn2help
joanddan7
I suspect this trend will go on and on as people aren't learning from their mistakes.
You make some very good points, but this one in particular stands out above all.
Re; the House of Commons.
I'm old enough to have seen so many generations of bright young politicians with their 'new' ideas come into office and start tearing down the last lots' implementations and erecting their own.
The trouble is none of it is ever 'new' - worse still, it's not even the 'tried and tested' it's the 'tried, tested and failed' policies of previous incumbents.None of them bring anything new, we simply lurch from one failed system to another failed system.
Thankfully, most people in the Lords are also old enough to have seen all this 'newness' before, and they know full well how it all goes.
It's strange how society demands a person needs to be fully qualified in order to do even the most menial jobs.
More difficult professions demand a full house of straight A's and a 'First' in University degree.
Yet, the most fully qualified of all people - those who have spent all their lives 'being there and doing that' are dismissed by society as 'old dodderers'.
No one is dismissing anyone as 'old dodderers' It is the 353.52€ (£300) a day that is disgusting and the fact that some turn up leave the taxi running and sign in and then jump back in the taxi and others who turn up for an hour or such like to claim the cash, Most people in the outreaches of the real world in Britain do not earn 353.52€ (£300) after work expenses for a week of really hard tiring graft in all weathers outside and other nightmare jobs, The system of work and reward is so pathetic and criminal and thick that it must be completely overhauled, If not the political class and business class will have to be removed by force.

Do you really think this is the only time a Lord has signed in & left again?
#30
Not signed as I wouldn't sign a petition even if I agreed with it they are a joke. Petitions everywhere for everything just a waste of time.
2 Likes #31
jax619
Not signed as I wouldn't sign a petition even if I agreed with it they are a joke. Petitions everywhere for everything just a waste of time.


a bit like that comment then.
#32
shadey12
jax619
Not signed as I wouldn't sign a petition even if I agreed with it they are a joke. Petitions everywhere for everything just a waste of time.
a bit like that comment then.

Bit like most comments really :) actually a bit like most things in life.
1 Like #33
YouDontWantToKnow
landros1
YouDontWantToKnow
Do you know how many times the Lords have saved us from stupid laws & legislation passed by the Commons?
Loads of times & thank God it exists.
Stupid petition.
It does not need almost 900 Lords on £300 a day to do that.
So the petition should be to cut the numbers & funding NOT to create an elected 2nd house.
An elected 2nd house defeats the need for a 2nd house as it would just mirror the Commons.
It does anyway as the peers are mostly appointed by politicians
far better for us to have a direct say imo
#34
landros1
Glamwampam
tryn2help
tryn2help
joanddan7
I suspect this trend will go on and on as people aren't learning from their mistakes.
You make some very good points, but this one in particular stands out above all.
Re; the House of Commons.
I'm old enough to have seen so many generations of bright young politicians with their 'new' ideas come into office and start tearing down the last lots' implementations and erecting their own.
The trouble is none of it is ever 'new' - worse still, it's not even the 'tried and tested' it's the 'tried, tested and failed' policies of previous incumbents.None of them bring anything new, we simply lurch from one failed system to another failed system.
Thankfully, most people in the Lords are also old enough to have seen all this 'newness' before, and they know full well how it all goes.
It's strange how society demands a person needs to be fully qualified in order to do even the most menial jobs.
More difficult professions demand a full house of straight A's and a 'First' in University degree.
Yet, the most fully qualified of all people - those who have spent all their lives 'being there and doing that' are dismissed by society as 'old dodderers'.
No one is dismissing anyone as 'old dodderers' It is the 353.52€ (£300) a day that is disgusting and the fact that some turn up leave the taxi running and sign in and then jump back in the taxi and others who turn up for an hour or such like to claim the cash, Most people in the outreaches of the real world in Britain do not earn 353.52€ (£300) after work expenses for a week of really hard tiring graft in all weathers outside and other nightmare jobs, The system of work and reward is so pathetic and criminal and thick that it must be completely overhauled, If not the political class and business class will have to be removed by force.
Do you really think this is the only time a Lord has signed in & left again?
No i am sure it has happened thousands of times but the point is that people who are lucky enough and privilidged enough to get tax payer funded lifestyles should be impeccable in word and deed and very strictly held to account by the public, They should actually be arrested for theft.
banned#35
thewongwing101
It does anyway as the peers are mostly appointed by politicians
far better for us to have a direct say imo

So what you want is a ballot paper for the Lords that has:

Labour
Conservative
Lib Dem
Independent

Because that is what it would be. So no need for the 2nd house at all then?

Appointed Peers as it stands vote freely & are not obliged to vote via party line.

An elected 2nd house serves no purpose at all.
#36
YouDontWantToKnow
thewongwing101
It does anyway as the peers are mostly appointed by politicians
far better for us to have a direct say imo
So what you want is a ballot paper for the Lords that has:
Labour
Conservative
Lib Dem
Independent
Because that is what it would be. So no need for the 2nd house at all then?
Appointed Peers as it stands vote freely & are not obliged to vote via party line.
An elected 2nd house serves no purpose at all.
A proper PR election is what it should be
(another cock up from Mr Clegg)
1 Like #37
landros1
Glamwampam
tryn2help
tryn2help
joanddan7
I suspect this trend will go on and on as people aren't learning from their mistakes.
You make some very good points, but this one in particular stands out above all.
Re; the House of Commons.
I'm old enough to have seen so many generations of bright young politicians with their 'new' ideas come into office and start tearing down the last lots' implementations and erecting their own.
The trouble is none of it is ever 'new' - worse still, it's not even the 'tried and tested' it's the 'tried, tested and failed' policies of previous incumbents.None of them bring anything new, we simply lurch from one failed system to another failed system.
Thankfully, most people in the Lords are also old enough to have seen all this 'newness' before, and they know full well how it all goes.
It's strange how society demands a person needs to be fully qualified in order to do even the most menial jobs.
More difficult professions demand a full house of straight A's and a 'First' in University degree.
Yet, the most fully qualified of all people - those who have spent all their lives 'being there and doing that' are dismissed by society as 'old dodderers'.
No one is dismissing anyone as 'old dodderers' It is the 353.52€ (£300) a day that is disgusting and the fact that some turn up leave the taxi running and sign in and then jump back in the taxi and others who turn up for an hour or such like to claim the cash, Most people in the outreaches of the real world in Britain do not earn 353.52€ (£300) after work expenses for a week of really hard tiring graft in all weathers outside and other nightmare jobs, The system of work and reward is so pathetic and criminal and thick that it must be completely overhauled, If not the political class and business class will have to be removed by force.
Do you really think this is the only time a Lord has signed in & left again?
No i am sure it has happened thousands of times but the point is that people who are lucky enough and privilidged enough to get tax payer funded lifestyles should be impeccable in word and deed and very strictly held to account by the public, They should actually be arrested for theft.
jax619
Not signed as I wouldn't sign a petition even if I agreed with it they are a joke. Petitions everywhere for everything just a waste of time.
With that attitude we will end up in chaos, Perhaps that is why we are where we are most people will not stand up for the whole, So the brutal organisers and tricksters continue their ****.
1 Like #38
thewongwing101
A proper PR election is what it should be
I'd back PR for the Commons, but not for the Lords.

It's fair to say some the Lords can let us down just as the Commons can - taxi story perfect example, but I don't think a second elected house is the answer.
1 Like #39
tryn2help
thewongwing101
A proper PR election is what it should be
I'd back PR for the Commons, but not for the Lords.
It's fair to say some the Lords can let us down just as the Commons can - taxi story perfect example, but I don't think a second elected house is the answer.
As long as some elections are it is a start
it it why the AV referendum was a very simple yes for me
a small step while we had the chance
4 Likes #40
Brexiteers voted out so the decisions about Britain can be made by the British parliamentary bodies. Brexiteers then moan when the British parliamentary bodies don't do what they demand. I wish they'd make their minds up whose decisions they want to abide by - or do they want some Jeremy Kyle type authority that panders to their intelligence levels?

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