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8y, 8m agoPosted 8 years, 8 months ago
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#2
Damn you, I was just coming in to suggest giving a trackball a try rather than a mouse they save a lot of wrist movement and strain!
#3
harlzter;1699064
Damn you, I was just coming in to suggest giving a trackball a try rather than a mouse they save a lot of wrist movement and strain!


Hahaha
#4
I was just hoping they might go a day without posting a new thread.
#5
Are you also being ironic with your avatar or are you a real bible-basher? I hope so! The reason I ask is that I'm an atheist who feels strong resistance against theists pushing their religious ideology on others. I especially loathe those using invasive forms of literacy to do so. Oh, and btw, I have no idea where you can get a good deal on a mouse. :thumbsup:
#6
Liddle ol' me;1699110
Are you also being ironic with your avatar or are you a real bible-basher? I hope so! The reason I ask is that I'm an atheist who feels strong resistance against theists pushing their religious ideology on others. I especially loathe those using invasive forms of literacy to do so. Oh, and btw, I have no idea where you can get a good deal on a mouse. :thumbsup:


Nope, I have never bashed a Bible in my life, I leave that to those who hate it. To your other comments, what can I say?:w00t:
#7
Predikuesi
Nope, I have never bashed a Bible in my life, I leave that to those who hate it. To your other comments, what can I say?:w00t:


Atheists generally don't deal in hate; rationality and the search for evidence is more their thing. In fact, they are usually a very rationalist bunch, very happy within themselves and their own understandings of the world. But hate is something we see a lot of theists dealing in, which is the primary reason we feel religion needs to be resisted. As for 'what can you say'?: well, it appears, not a lot!

EDIT: p.s. I'm curious where you got the 'hate' idea from anyway? Again this is a serious question, because it's something I see religious people deal in time and time again. Rather than have a rational debate about something, the preference is to look for simple dichotomies of the kind the bible gives us: good and evil, love and hate, etc. You know the sort of thing.
#8
Oh well, I was hoping for a chat on this issue, but it looks like I won't get a response before I have to sign off, so I will answer my own question about hate: :)

I suspect you interpreted some of the words I used to make an assumption about me being full of hate for religion - something like that anyway. So to clarify - in case this is your interpretation - I don't hate religion at all, but I do loathe the manner in which it is used to corral people into thoughtlessness, automative responses to life and death, and unreflective "I have the answer" types of thinking. (And btw, as I'm sure you know, loathing and hating are very different words - there are many behaviours I abhor without 'hate' being involved at all). Hope to hear a response from you at some stage. Good night. :)
#9
Liddle ol' me
Atheists generally don't deal in hate


Maybe I am wrong, but you asked Predikuesi whether he was a 'Bibe Basher' and his response seems to be just a play on words, i.e. People who hate the Bible would naturally bash it, so it's fair to say that they are Bible Bashers. ;-) At no point in his post did he mention Athiests, so I am not sure why you are assuming he did?

Liddle ol' me
Oh well, I was hoping for a chat on this issue


Just a FYI - Predikuesi spent a good part of the day patiently answering questions about his faith/beliefs both on the forum and via pm (lots of questions *cough* :oops:), so I would imagine he may not be wanting to go through it all again so soon, especially on a thread that was meant to be a lighthearted joke. I may be wrong though, so apologies if I have spoken out of turn, I just thought you should know. :)
1 Like #10
nightswimmer;1699427
Maybe I am wrong, but you asked Predikuesi whether he was a 'Bible Basher'

As far as I am aware "Bible Basher" is slang for someone who is of a highly religious nature and often like to quote and refer to the bible a lot in everyday life, almost as if its a rule book to life itself rather than living life as you wish in a way that makes you happy.

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Bible basher is a term used to describe Christian fundamentalists, or anyone perceived as aggressively pushing their religious beliefs upon those who do not share them. As an insult, its target domain is broad and can often extend to anyone engaged in a public show of religiosity, fundamentalist or not. The term alludes to a preacher thumping his hand hard down on the lectern and the Bible on it to emphasize a point during a sermon.


I agree with Liddle ol' me on this one!
1 Like #11
nightswimmer
Maybe I am wrong, but you asked Predikuesi whether he was a 'Bibe Basher' and his response seems to be just a play on words, i.e. People who hate the Bible would naturally bash it, so it's fair to say that they are Bible Bashers. ;-) At no point in his post did he mention Athiests, so I am not sure why you are assuming he did?


Good point. I was making assumptions based on previous experiences (but not with Predikuesi I might add). I am also basing my interpretation on the fact that we are diametrically opposed to each others positions: theist and athesit (or, if I am honest, theist and anti-theist). There is therefore some reading between the lines which I take as as givens in such 'confrontations'.

nightswimmer
Just a FYI - Predikuesi spent a good part of the day patiently answering questions about his faith/beliefs both on the forum and via pm, :oops: so I would imagine he may not be wanting to go through it all again so soon, especially on a thread that was meant to be a lighthearted joke. I may be wrong though, so apologies if I have spoken out of turn, I just thought you should know. :)


Another fair point. I didn't know this. If I did, I would have been wading into that discussion instead of vainly attempting to resurrect (there's an appropriate word!) it here. And please don't apologise, I appreciate your thoughts. You seem like a very fair-minded person, and this response is a good example of that. Thanks! :thumbsup:
#12
harlzter
As far as I am aware "Bible Basher" is slang for someone who is of a highly religious nature and often like to quote and refer to the bible a lot in everyday life, almost as if its a rule book to life itself rather than living life as you wish in a way that makes you happy.


Yes, I am aware of that. :) Hence why I said Predikuesi made a play on words. He took the everyday meaning and twisted it.

Someone who hates the Bible will undoubtably bash it (bash as in criticize). Therefore someone who hates the Bible can also said to be a Bible Basher. Like I said, a play on words. :)
#13
Thanks harlzter. Glad you understood the meaning and share the sentiment! :thumbsup:

I grew up in a place where there were some very real bible bashers, the 'Rev' Ian Paisley among them!
#14
Liddle ol' me
And please don't apologise, I appreciate your thoughts. You seem like a very fair-minded person, and this response is a good example of that. Thanks! :thumbsup:


Thanks. :oops: And I appreciate you accepting my post in the spirit it was meant. :friends:
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nightswimmer
Yes, I am aware of that. :) Hence why I said Predikuesi made a play on words. He took the everyday meaning and twisted it.

Someone who hates the Bible will undoubtably bash it (bash as in criticize). Therefore someone who hates the Bible can also said to be a Bible Basher. Like I said, a play on words. :)


Yes, I got your meaning here too. Predikuesi clearly did make a play on words, but with what intent? That's the real question. And to answer that you have to read between the lines somewhat and view the full response in context. To do so, we need to ask ourselves what meaning he wished to convey with the word 'hate'. If he is the sophisiticated wordsmith we give him credit for here, then the play on words is yet more complex than you suggest...
#16
Liddle ol' me
Yes, I got your meaning here too. Predikuesi clearly did make a play on words, but with what intent? That's the real question. And to answer that you have to read between the lines somewhat and view the full response in context. To do so, we need to ask ourselves what meaning he wished to convey with the word 'hate'. If he is the sophisiticated wordsmith we give him credit for here, then the play on words is yet more complex than you suggest...


LOL, it's hardly sophisticated wordplay. :p As for his intent, only Predikuesi can answer that,
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so I'll leave that to him, and leave the reading between the lines to you. :thumbsup::whistling:
#17
nightswimmer
LOL, it's hardly sophisticated wordplay. :p As for his intent, only Predikuesi can answer that,
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so I'll leave that to him, and leave the reading between the lines to you. :thumbsup::whistling:


hey I love the words between the lines! Nice touch! :thumbsup: EDIT: how much do you want, exactly?
#18
Liddle ol' me
how much do you want, exactly?


Wow, it worked. :w00t: Ummm...dunno, I didn't think i'd get this far... :thinking:
#19
nightswimmer
Wow, it worked. :w00t: Ummm...dunno, I didn't think i'd get this far... :thinking:


50p a word sound fair?
#20
Liddle ol' me
50p a word sound fair?


It's a deal. :thumbsup:

Please send it to:

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#21
nightswimmer
It's a deal. :thumbsup:

Please send it to:

Nighswimmer
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Keep the personal details to pm please. You might get banned.

EDIT: and like the postcode. Just spotted that (I'm not a good discourse analyst after all...)
#22
Liddle ol' me
Keep the personal details to pm please. You might get banned.


Ack, I'm not scared of no Mods!

Ummm...did i say that out loud? http://www.twowheelforum.com/images/smilies/runaway.gif

(Goodnight Lo'm, gotta go. :) :lazy: )
#23
Hey, I have to get some zzzzzzs too! I am up and out walking at 5.30 every morning. Please do not assume that I will not answer questions about my faith. The only ones I will not respond to are the spiteful and outrageously disrespectful.

In all walks of life there are those who deal in hate towards others. As a Bible-believing Christian, though I might not agree with other people's worldview, I do not hate anyone. In fact the idea is diamentically opposite to what the Bible teaches. Therefore you cannot blame the Bible for the idiotic actions and beliefs of neo-fascist christians (I have used a lower case c here for obvious reasons). Jesus Himself said, "I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you" (Matthew 5:44). In another text the apostle John writes, "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? (1 John 4:20). Therefore only a hypoctite would hate others. I do not believe that you would dare suggest that every athiest is as fair-minded as you. Just as you have had hateful responses from so-called christians, I have had my share of militant athiests who want the Bible torn to pieces because they don't like what it says. This hate stuff works both ways. Liddle ol' me wrote "I especially loathe those using invasive forms of literacy to do so." Am I to assume that he hates me? Actually I am big enough, and my mother used to say, uglier enough, to accept the comment as nothing more than what was intended. But if I wanted to, could I not say that the word loathe means to detest and hate?
Please do not read between the lines, as I did not write anything there.
Regarding "Bible-basher". As nightswimmer said, it was a play on words. Of course in its original context the term does refer to those who used to pond the Bible on a pulpit whilst speaking, which by the way was only practiced in America! From my point of view, those who want to ban the Bible, make fun of it and pull texts out of their context are Bible Bashers too. I just think it very weird that no one has the courage to be a Koran Basher in the media. And to be honest, if someone did that on HUKD their post would be removed and maybe they would receive a ban. If you get my point, almost everyone today thinks Christianity and the Holy Bible is fair game to have pot shots at. For instance, yesterday, someone suggested that people who believe in God are weak. What they fail to take into account are the many men and women who were burned at the stake in this country (in Smithfields, London) for their faith rather than deny Christ. That's not weakness to my mind. Put a candle flame under the hand of the majority of people and they will wimper like slapped puppies.
I am not going to get into another lengthy debate here about my beliefs, I already did that on Monday. Can we drop this here? Each one of us has to be true it his own. You have the right to choose to accept or reject religion as you see fit, but then the religionist has the same right too. In all my posts I have only replied to questions asked me, I have not sought to shove religion down any throat. If anyone wants more information about all I believe, then I am willing to PM you my web address.

PS. After careful consideration, I felt that I ought to remove my avatar to avoid causing offence to anyone. I think the person who posted the first comment on this thread designed a new avatar in opposition to mine. http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/customavatars/avatar30259_20.gif, while this is a little childish, I realise that I was his motivation. If Liddle ol' me was offended at my avatar, I'm sure it will be the same for this one, especially because of the satanic element of it.
#24
Thanks for the response. Lots to respond to, but as you'd prefer to drop it, then I'm happy to as well. But on the issue of the koran, I completely agree that most commenators don't have the courage to speak out against what they see as (another) potentially dangerous ideology. I have spoken out against this isue on another thread http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120413 that was, as you point out, eventully locked (but it was good while it lasted!). I have mixed emotions about you removing your avatar - on the one hand I feel this is the mature and correct response on your behalf (and indeed reflects the values you preach); on the other I feel a little bad that I helped push you towards this decision. After all, I have used literacy for exactly the same purpose. i.e. to get my point across. Anyway, thanks again for your response. I share an office with a similarly fair-minded and intelligent Muslim from Saudi Arabia. We also agree to diagree and have these kind of debates regularly. What never happens is either of us convincing the other of course, but we do make small incremental moves in either direction. I think the same has hapeed here. Many thanks for sharing.:)
#25
Liddle ol' me;1700171
Many thanks for sharing.:)


No doubt you'll see me sharing again if anyone offends my beliefs, [COLOR=red]in a nice way of course[/COLOR]:). Have a great day.
#26
Predikuesi
No doubt you'll see me sharing again if anyone offends my beliefs, [COLOR=red]in a nice way of course[/COLOR]:). Have a great day.


Quite. Like the new avatar!
#27
Predikuesi
In all my posts I have only replied to questions asked me, I have not sought to shove religion down any throat.

PS. After careful consideration, I felt that I ought to remove my avatar to avoid causing offence to anyone. I think the person who posted the first comment on this thread designed a new avatar in opposition to mine. http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/customavatars/avatar30259_20.gif, while this is a little childish, I realise that I was his motivation. If Liddle ol' me was offended at my avatar, I'm sure it will be the same for this one, especially because of the satanic element of it.


If you're removing one avatar because it was overtly religious/christian and may cause offence then why have you replaced it with one showing similarly Christian phrases in Greek this time? Surely by putting religious imagery and words in your avatars you are shoving your religion down people's throats even though you say you're not?
#28
bjmcghee;1704758
If you're removing one avatar because it was overtly religious/christian and may cause offence then why have you replaced it with one showing similarly Christian phrases in Greek this time? Surely by putting religious imagery and words in your avatars you are shoving your religion down people's throats even though you say you're not?

Well said, the next virtual beers are on me!

The bible bashing tag seems ever more apt.

As for me designing my avatar after inspiration from yours makes me think you must have a mighty big ego, sorry but you as inspiration to me is a joke, I am my own person with my own beliefs and believe it or not my own ideas.

If anyone remembers the old simalert site then they may remember this avatar being used by me over a year ago.

I still stand by my belief that religion in whatever form is an emotional crutch for people, and the oldest known policing method after all if a unseen entity can see your every move and punish you for it then who is going to commit a "sin"? Well guess what I still have both hands, both eyes have never been stoned yet I have commited many "sins" and have tried so hard to break all ten commandments, especially the adultery one in my younger years, or is it only those who believe who get punished? Maybe the placebo effect!!
#29
harlzter
I still stand by my belief that religion in whatever form is an emotional crutch for people, and the oldest known policing method


Now we're talking. But further, and more worrisome, is that the steering wheel of the various emotional support machines are in the hands of some very nasty chief constables these days.

The good news though is that now we have a serious - if silent - majority who consider themselves secular. Most are still afraid to label themselves atheist though, more's the pity. There is a real opportunity in the decades ahead (hope it's not centuries) to once and for all clear our decks of this nonsense called religion. IMO, what we are witnessing recently with fundamentalist Islam has helped and will continue to help open people's eyes to the dangers of blind belief. Christianity went through its own convulsions a few centuries ago, but it's more difficult to learn from the iherent problems of your own tradition. In a sense you are blind to your own culture. Witnessing such archaic convulsions happening again in the 21st century might just drive the message home properly this time. :thumbsup:
banned#30
oh for heavens sake, give it a rest you lot, noone has to read any posts, and i for one have not seen the op shoving anything down anyones throat, it seems its you lot that are trying to incite an argument
#31
sassie
oh for heavens sake, give it a rest you lot, noone has to read any posts, and i for one have not seen the op shoving anything down anyones throat, it seems its you lot that are trying to incite an argument


Reflection, Sassie, reflection. I know it's hard and perhaps not in your nature (mine either, actually), but it is something that you can become better at with practice. :thumbsup:

Now, where were we..?
banned#32
Liddle ol' me
Reflection, Sassie, reflection. I know it's hard and perhaps not in your nature (mine either, actually), but it is something that you can become better at with practice. :thumbsup:

Now, where were we..?


not sure where that was supposed to go but it went straight over my head
#33
sassie
oh for heavens sake [...]


:whistling:
banned#34
Liddle ol' me
:whistling:


i dont play around with words, its a saying, im not religious and dont pretend to understand any of it, but i also understand we are all different, we all have crutches and there are bad people throughout the world
banned#35
possibly still didnt get it that time either - lol
#36
Liddle ol' me;1704976
Now we're talking. But further, and more worrisome, is that the steering wheel of the various emotional support machines are in the hands of some very nasty chief constables these days.

The good news though is that now we have a serious - if silent - majority who consider themselves secular. Most are still afraid to label themselves atheist though, more's the pity. There is a real opportunity in the decades ahead (hope it's not centuries) to once and for all clear our decks of this nonsense called religion. IMO, what we are witnessing recently with fundamentalist Islam has helped and will continue to help open people's eyes to the dangers of blind belief. Christianity went through its own convulsions a few centuries ago, but it's more difficult to learn from the iherent problems of your own tradition. In a sense you are blind to your own culture. Witnessing such archaic convulsions happening again in the 21st century might just drive the message home properly this time. :thumbsup:


That is very bigotted from a guy who came across as understanding yesterday. Christianity will not go away, because God will not go away! One day, you will realise this, but maybe too late. Blind belief is believing the fairy tale called evolution. If vthere is no God how did the concept of a Divine Being first enter into the mind of man? Religion is as old as the first man who set foot on the earth. Man is a religious being. If this was not so then athiests would not be so intent of trying to erradicate it.
#37
sassie;1705025
oh for heavens sake, give it a rest you lot, noone has to read any posts, and i for one have not seen the op shoving anything down anyones throat, it seems its you lot that are trying to incite an argument

Thank you. At last someone has noticed this. I seem to have come off the worse for it though. I am actually finding it funny now. My latest avatar says, "Have a great day today", I have been PM'd by some who have accused me of hiding religious texts in the Greek. They can't read Greek, so come to the wrong conclusion.
#38
Predikuesi
If vthere is no God how did the concept of a Divine Being first enter into the mind of man?


It seems to me that mankind has an inate curiosity and with that comes a need to understand. It therefore doesn't seem far fetched to assume that when mankind couldn't explain certain things, that various cultures invented their own explanations. Hence the concept of magic and supreme beings, etc. You've only got to look back through recent history to see that as our abilities and knowledge have increased, things that were once considered "God's Will", or magic, or put down to some other mystical force, have now been explained and are now taken for granted.
#39
Predikuesi
That is very bigotted from a guy who came across as understanding yesterday. Christianity will not go away, because God will not go away! One day, you will realise this, but maybe too late. Blind belief is believing the fairy tale called evolution. If vthere is no God how did the concept of a Divine Being first enter into the mind of man? Religion is as old as the first man who set foot on the earth. Man is a religious being. If this was not so then athiests would not be so intent of trying to erradicate it.


Not bigotry, simply a call to get our world in order and remove the mystics from decision-making positions. People should be free to practice vodoo or any other religion privately, but when it impinges upon the ordering of our world - and countless thousands die every year as a direct result of religion - then it is time to remove religionists from the political process.

And I'm afraid you are wrong about christianity not going away. It is already on the slippery slope and will continue to decline as general educational levels increase. As for god going away, well that's a non-starter, because there is no god (except in peope's heads). I do reserve the possibility that some evidence might come along some day to suggest there are supernatural beings (I doubt it, but will leave the possibility open), but so far none has been presented, whereas much is available on the other side to suggest there is no such thing.

I'm also afraid that you expose your ignorance too well with your final comments. The 'fairy tale' called evolution! hah! I know well the strategy of taking the language of the other and turning it against them (homesexuals have done thisto great effect with the word queer for example - smething I applaud btw because they do so to fight the types of intolerace festered by religion), but to dismiss so much science as a fairy-tale is simply ludicrous - and I think you know it!

Predikuesi
If there is no God how did the concept of a Divine Being first enter into the mind of man? Religion is as old as the first man who set foot on the earth. Man is a religious being. If this was not so then athiests would not be so intent of trying to erradicate it.


Oh dear, you are now associating yourself with primitive man. Perhaps we should back to drawing pictures on cave walls? Maybe start worshipping the god of fire again?

EDIT:
nightswimmer
It seems to me that mankind has an inate curiosity and with that comes a need to understand. It therefore doesn't seem far fetched to assume that when mankind couldn't explain certain things, that various cultures invented their own explanations. Hence the concept of magic and supreme beings, etc. You've only got to look back through recent history to see that as our abilities and knowledge have increased, things that were once considered "God's Will", or magic, or put down to some other mystical force, have now been explained and are now taken for granted.


Sorry nightswimmer, missed this: Yes, this is where I am at too. The OP though would like to dismiss all of this progress with a simple "There is a god, period." response. Science threatens religion and it is not surprising that he therefore attacked evolution. That very concept threatens everything he believes in and therefore the easiest thing to do is dismiss it out of hand.
#40
And I'm afraid you are wrong about christianity not going away. It is already on the slippery slope and will continue to decline as general educational levels increase. As for god going away, well that's a non-starter, because there is no god (except in peope's heads). I do reserve the possibility that some evidence might come along some day to suggest there are supernatural beings (I doubt it, but will leave the possibility open), but so far none has been presented, whereas much is available on the other side to suggest there is no such thing.


Of course, you'd be the first person to presume that then? The Roman Empire thought that, Eastern European (Communist) Counties thought that. The Vatican thought that in the Middle Ages. We are still here, there and everywhere.

Oh dear, you are now associating yourself with primitive man. Perhaps we should back to drawing pictures on cave walls? Maybe start worshipping the god of fire again?


Actually, I do not believe the atheistic / evolutionist view of so-called primative man. Osama Bin Lardin (soory if spelt wrong) is a cave dweller, and who knows he may draw pictures of George Bush on the walls too. The fact that some, not all, ancient cultures dwelt in caves means nothing.

To dismiss so much science as a fairy-tale is simply ludicrous - and I think you know it!

I know exactly what evolutionary science teaches if that's what you mean? Other than that, there is no evidence anywhere of a cosmic big bang that propelled this universe into existence out of nothing. If you search the net you will find that there are many non-religious scientists that reject the concept of evolution after studying it for many years. Though they usually come up with the notion that some alien being(s) seeded this earth, they at least see that intelligent design demands an intelligent designer.

I do reserve the possibility that some evidence might come along some day to suggest there are supernatural beings

Well at least the door is open then.

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