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2 points to this thread There's an interesting discussion going on in Misc regarding grammar at the minute - and how a few users fail to use the correct language, post in 'leet' speak, or use all u…
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9y, 10m agoPosted 9 years, 10 months ago
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There's an interesting discussion going on in Misc regarding grammar at the minute - and how a few users fail to use the correct language, post in 'leet' speak, or use all upper case to the detriment on the quality of the forums.. and in jest I suggested we have a second reputation bar for Grammatical Accuracy, with users who believe the grammatical content to be poor able to say so, and should a rating reach a negative value have their posts pre-moderated, or even just a suspension for a day - should prevent problems occuring too much. It would be nice to cut down on this, and would be interested in your views re practicality and the like.

Secondly, I believe this was brought up before, but what about differant colours beyond 11 green blocks? Such as green/ bronze, bronze/silver, silver/gold, then a rainbow?
Just to differentiate between the 80+ users all with maxed out reputation.
Would just be a but of fun, but might save on all the "how many rep points do you have?" discussions. Alot of varation could be brought in with 11 green going to 1 bronze 10 green, 2 bronze 9 green etc, then all bronze, 1 silver 10 bronze and so forth up to gold, then at a very high value (circa insane) it could go to a rainbow just to give a unique look to posts of people like Emma and Edi.
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9y, 10m agoPosted 9 years, 10 months ago
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#1
Dont really agree with having another 'rep bar' for grammar, what about people who struggle with grammar or spelling? This site is supposed to be fun and I wouldnt like to have to watch all my posts just incase I make a mistake (Although I do try and check them before sending)

Think that more colours on the original rep bar could be good though, agree that all the boards about rep would be stopped.

I like the comments people leave when they rep me and think that should be made compulsary (if someone particularly didnt want to leave a message they could just put random letters) because when I first joined the site I didnt know that you could see comments and stuff, so didnt post any.
#2
Sometimes people don't have time to write a comment, and it might mean less rep is given (though that might not be a bad thing neccessarily).
Perhaps a default message would be a nice touch?
Something like
"Thankyou -USERNAME"?
#3
Well to start with the second point first :giggle: Would it be like, say, at first you fill up all your green bars and then it goes back to your first green box and make it ??????(colour) and then carries on from there until all your green boxes are now this colour and when they are all filled in it starts again, or have I got a different view on this :thinking:

And now the first point; the grammar bar is a wonderful idea, I don't agree with the ban per-say, because you could stop worthwhile posts and bargains but say you earned a red bar for something silly, instead of having a ban, if people hit the rep button you could earn back your green colour in days :thumbsup: and then you would not be penalised as such.

hmmmmm thinking about it now I think it might be used as a negative rep button as well, maybe not a good idea in practise :oops:
#4
I prefer the personal things people write, maybe it should just be made clear that people can see what you write (I thought it was just to justify it to mods or something when I first joined)
#5
Crazy1
Well to start with the second point first :giggle: Would it be like, say, at first you fill up all your green bars and then it goes back to your first green box and make it ??????(colour) and then carries on from there until all your green boxes are now this colour and when they are all filled in it starts again, or have I got a different view on this :thinking:

And now the first point; the grammar bar is a wonderful idea, I don't agree with the ban per-say, because you could stop worthwhile posts and bargains but say you earned a red bar for something silly, instead of having a ban, if people hit the rep button you could earn back your green colour in days :thumbsup: and then you would not be penalised as such.

hmmmmm thinking about it now I think it might be used as a negative rep button as well, maybe not a good idea in practise :oops:


Yup that was what I was thinking re point 2.

As to point one - I was thinking of premoderation but then there is the time consuming nature to it... I was also thinking that normal users should NOT be able to see your second rep bar : just mods / you therefore eliminating the point of negging you - what need would there be? A ban would be for very severe boardering on spam posts.. a polite automatically generated email might get users to simply slow down while typing if they are making mistakes (and it does happen to the best of us sometimes).
#6
" Just to differentiate between the 80+ users all with maxed out reputation."

Just to make it clear I am talking about forum rep, not deal rep in case anyone was wondering.
84 users with the maximum 11 green blocks
http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/memberlist.php?&order=DESC&sort=reputation&pp=84
(obviously with differant numbers of points)
#7
kelly_o_fanatic
what about people who struggle with grammar or spelling? This site is supposed to be fun


They can learn and make a better person of themselves, life is all about learning and if you can better yourself and your expressions, well done you, to be able to do something in private without a teacher standing over you. I use to have problems with the word 'probaly' until my ieSpell corrected so many times I can now probably spell it correctly each time I use it.

I look at that bloke on Eastenders you cannot write and spell and think it is an awful shame that there really are a lot of people in that boat and it just holds them back from going forward, it also affects their self esteem.
#8
Why not just display points score under green boxes?
#9
Could do - but then it's not quite as interesting is it? Nor as instantly noticeable. Would be a little dull IMHO (although I would personally favor seeing the number on mouseover instead of the "X has a reputation beyond repute" that most of us have now.
banned#10
let have a special rep ...for those that dont really worry about something of no significance.

as someone has already mentioned if someone has actually helped you with something why not send them a personal message of thanks..not difficult is it

rep...http://gprime.net/board/images/smilies/yawn.gif
#11
Sorry, but I feel it affects peoples self esteem to be punished for not using incorrect grammar!
Come on now, this is a site that we all use when chilling out. It will get to the point where people won't be posting threads because they are frightened of being ridiculed. I fortunately, have no difficulty with my written english but don't feel pressure should be put on people to 'make a better person of themselves' if they do struggle.
Sorry I think that is just arrogant!
I don't want to offend anybody but that's just how I feel.
#12
I do not think such change will be implemented. It surely would put more strain on our mod team (and this team is tiny compared to some other forums), so unless someone volunteers to be Grammar Policeman, I can't see it happen.
Now, to the issue itself - I do have problem with txt spk but I think that this is because English isn't my mother tongue. I guess that native English speakers shouldn't have such problem. However, I agree that overuse of txt spk, all caps and lack of punctuation makes text difficult to read. But such posts attract less replies anyway (and most of those replies are 'use English'), so its authors are kind of punished.

I know that my own English skills are far from being perfect, so not going to discuss 'theirs/there is' issue :)
banned#13
kAREN-ANGEL
Sorry, but I feel it affects peoples self esteem to be punished for not using incorrect grammar!
Come on now, this is a site that we all use when chilling out. It will get to the point where people won't be posting threads because they are frightened of being ridiculed. I fortunately, have no difficulty with my written english but don't feel pressure should be put on people to 'make a better person of themselves' if they do struggle.
Sorry I think that is just arrogant!
I don't want to offend anybody but that's just how I feel.



Karen a very eloquent post, and you beat me to something that is close to my heart about how people can have an effect on others without even giving thought to them.
I for one was not very bright at school and found difficulty with english and spelling due to thinking faster than I can write, missing words out of passages etc , and leading to me wanting to get out to work rather than being ridiculed at school by teachers who I would not even give house room today.

The grammer thing/thread is an ill concived thread by some who yes perhaps they are very good at english /grammer and spelling but some and I will stand up and be counted , am not, I wonder if we looked at those who seem to look down upon the less scholastic of us, have any "achilles heels"? and I bet you have, and how would you feel if it was made an issue of.. how uncomfortable would you feel... take the time to think of other before you start picking at something they may not excell at


This is the internet and a I thought a friendly place, but seems there is a darker side to the perfect world some of you live in!!
#14
Totally agree with you kAREN-ANGEL and dog_cop!
#15
rayman
Totally agree with you kAREN-ANGEL and dog_cop!

ditto :thumbsup:
banned#16
vBulletin wil ventualy supoort speeling cheques aye not already no ya tink?

bb's
#17
Firefox has a spell checker as do other browsers using toolbars.

On the flip side to the above if no-one points out a mistake your not going to correct it - and no-one is suggesting a public flogging of your personal weakness' - simply an exercise in grammatical correctness. It's not neccessarily those who can't type / spell etc correctly that would get highlighted - but those who persistently don't bother to do so, and don't bother using inbuilt spellcheckers to verify correctness. Most of the time poor English is more of a "won't" than a "Can't". There are going to be those with problems, but they are going to know that already, and perhaps as Crazy said it may improve said problem exponentially - No one expects perfection but leet speak et al is not always a result of dyslexia, but oft of lazyness.
banned#18
seancampbell
Firefox has a spell checker as do other browsers using toolbars.

On the flip side to the above if no-one points out a mistake your not going to correct it - and no-one is suggesting a public flogging of your personal weakness' - simply an exercise in grammatical correctness. It's not neccessarily those who can't type / spell etc correctly that would get highlighted - but those who persistently don't bother to do so, and don't bother using inbuilt spellcheckers to verify correctness. Most of the time poor English is more of a "won't" than a "Can't". There are going to be those with problems, but they are going to know that already, and perhaps as Crazy said it may improve said problem exponentially - No one expects perfection but leet speak et al is not always a result of dyslexia, but oft of lazyness.



but one or two have pointed out the grammatical errors of one or two posts , for not putting full stops or comma`s in , now thats petty
#19
dog_cop
but one or two have pointed out the grammatical errors of one or two posts , for not putting full stops or comma`s in , now thats petty


True, but it is a small mistake that can ruin the legitibility of a post. There have been some without ANY punctuation lately, and it is pretty undecipherable. One or two mistakes is expected, but it's the extremities that are going to be annoying.
banned#20
seancampbell
True, but it is a small mistake that can ruin the legitibility of a post. There have been some without ANY punctuation lately, and it is pretty undecipherable. One or two mistakes is expected, but it's the extremities that are going to be annoying.



I am sure it can, but this is not a perfect world, and no one on here is perfect, well some seem to give the impression they are, but as I have found with some posts, re read them a couple of times and they make sense, rather than.. the reply`s ...cant read it.. tell them to add full stops comma`s etc , some may, but some may feel the critism harsh and never bother posting again, and eveyone has a valid view and they should be heard
#21
Let's just say "let's agree to disagree"
#22
dog_cop
I am sure it can, but this is not a perfect word


You mean world right:giggle: ;-)
banned#23
col
You mean world right:giggle: ;-)

summat like that http://gprime.net/board/images/smilies/dunno.gif
#24
I didn't read this, or expect this thread to be a public flogging exercise, but as a public service (and posters should not get all fired up about it either with some of the passion I have seen). I would love to be able to spell and write with feeling in it. I HATE reading books and was never encouraged to when I was young because my school never had a library, and our public library had a charge attached to each book and my parents could not afford me to keep on taking out books. I don't blame them either as times were tough.

But I would love to be able to write something with feeling, something that the reader could 'hear' what I was saying and to have the correct, grammar, punctuation etc built in so that you did not have to read over the same passage a few times to understand what should have been picked up on the first pass.

Bob Monkhouse use to read the dictionary when he went to bed at night and learn a new word every day, the following day he would use that word as many times as he could, is this what made him one of the people I admire(d).

Do people not have the urge to better themselves, this Country lags far behind the rest of Europe with regards to languages, some people can read & speak three or more languages, which shames me to say I am European.
#25
There's a big difference between:

A panda walks into a café and eats, shoots and leaves.

AND

A panda walks into a café and eats shoots and leaves.
#26
ridiculous.
#27
Lol, I'm not saying we should pull people up on it... I'm just providing further food for thought.

:-D
#28
I am pretty sure this won't get implemented (the Grammar idea) - but just to add to the 'no' incase it's being considered, no...no...no...no no no no no no no no nonononononononononononono. worst.idea.ever.
#29
^ I love the rejection of the idea affirms the need for it. The irony is delicious.

I still think more colours on the reputation bar would be nice.
#30
my pennies worth:

I think its annoying when so called text speak is used to the extreme,shortening for a text to limit space so not being charged for an extra message is one thing but on a forum thats not needed.

My kids change words ridiculously both by text and on the likes of msn, meaning not even shortening but changing the whole spelling, for example > lyk > dat> kool> there are many more, this is just silly imo, but grammar in general imo is not so important on a forum like this.

Im not perfect at spelling and i do shorten the odd word, i think all the mods time are more importantly needed elsewhere than checking each post for the fall stops and commas.
#31
Yh, i fink we shudnt hav 2 chek al da posts jst 2c if u r spelin it rite. :-(
#32
I have an idea, let's have an 'Intelligence bar' also, that way we can also rate people's posts based on how smart we think they are...so you know, when someone starts a thread about some lame TV show we can vote it down, show we don't like that sort of nonsense here!

Even better idea, how about an 'accuracy bar'? So if someone gives a bit of information that isn't 100% correct we can kick them to the curb for it?

Down with fun and free flowing conversation, up with regiment and rules and regulations!!

:whistling: :giggle:
banned#33
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Down with fun and free flowing conversation, up with regiment and rules and regulations!!

:whistling: :giggle:[/quote]


mmmm some would like it to be like that... dont jest :x
#34
i happen to think these forums have got way too far serious and regimental, there is room for both a bit of fun and serious help!!!
banned#35
loupomm
i happen to think these forums have got way too far serious and regimental, there is room for both a bit of fun and serious help!!!



Sorry Lou, did you put your hand up and ask before you were allowed to post :x
#36
sorry sir!

shall i sit in the corner?
#37
:? .
banned#38
loupomm
sorry sir!

shall i sit in the corner?



correct ...

and 100 lines...

I must not spam the boards as its not adult and very childish :p
#39
Funny thing is, all posters, bar one have about the same amount green bars/squares. People who I would say have an equal amount of input to know what they are talking about on this subject. Do lesser green dotted people feel intimidated to join in? :thinking:
#40
There is a big difference between the odd spelling error and doing it in leet mode for the sheer hell of it. I am against the latter but would hope to encourage better spelling and grammar for all.

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